The DMZ

kalina

00:16

it's telling when Microsoft drop their Skype app from the Windows store

obviously lots of faith in the platform

kalina

00:42

I have to say I still don't know what is going on in Inception

Bob Ebert

01:05

I know this might be a bit off topic but I really can't get to understand vlans

Lucas Kauffman

@BobEbert what do you don't understand about them?

Bob Ebert

is it something that works as a subnet?

the word virtual*

Lucas Kauffman

@BobEbert It's a virtual LAN as in old days people would connect to eachother with a switch and have static IPs

all people connected to that switch would have access to eachother

the issue is that you don't really want all people physically connected to a switch to talk to eachother

and maybe you even want them to talk to certain people connected on a secondary switch

but not to all people connected on that switch

Bob Ebert

would it be safe to say that it is not used in modern networks?

Lucas Kauffman

that's what VLANs are for

@BobEbert on the contrary it's extensively used actually

@BobEbert to show you why you should VLANs consider this scenario, let's say you have Bob Alice and Mallory

Bob and Alice are part of LAN A and Mallory is part of another LAN B

Bob and alice are in the 10.0.0.0/24 range

and Mallory is in the 192.168.1.0/24 range

phyiscally, bob and alice are connected to the same switch

now you say "oh so they can't talk to eachother right?"

Well Mallory can change her IP address to a static one in the the 10.0.0.0/24 range

and she would

Bob Ebert

01:15

right

Lucas Kauffman

because she is on the same layer 2 network

VLANs offer you a means to segment your layer 2 network

Switches are cheaper than routers and offer less overhead when switching packets, if you wanted to do this just with subnetting you would have to buy one router for each subnet

or buy a large router with more ports

Bob Ebert

this apply to routers as well? or just switches

so since switches are cheaper, companies uses them instead of routers?

Lucas Kauffman

01:33

@BobEbert one reason yes

Bob Ebert

@LucasKauffman and I believe routers doesn't have a range as long as a vlan?

Lucas Kauffman

@BobEbert there are no limitations with VLANs aside from the amount of physical ports iirc

but remember it's layer 2

Bob Ebert

@LucasKauffman but that doesn't really mather since we can use arp to match ips with mac?

Lucas Kauffman

@BobEbert what do you mean?

Bob Ebert

what does it mather that it is layer 2?

Lucas Kauffman

01:42

@BobEbert it matters because it's different :P, a router routes packets, a switch switches frames, one is encapsulated in the other

@BobEbert to really dumb it down, VLANs allow you to segregate networks at layer 2, regardless of physicaly topology

Mark Buffalo

02:02

@kalina the movie?

It's a colossal mind-frig

silverpenguin

@LucasKauffman if he wanted something like subnets and vlan he could also use CIDR right? depending on the task (just to confuse things)

Lucas Kauffman

02:53

@silverpenguin CIDR is an addressing scheme and doesn't solve the issue VLANs try to solve

you have still the same issues as you would have with regular subnetting

btw today everyone means subnetting the CIDR way

no one uses classful IP addressing anymore aside from a few large corps that got shit tons of them

Mark Buffalo

03:10

Sir please remain calm while we send some officers to pick you up. — Lucas Kauffman 1 hour ago

lmfaooooooooooooooo

I VTC'd as "unclear what you're smoking"

actually, wait a minnute...

ah, outdated whois

wtf

Lucas Kauffman

WTF

hahahaha

Mark Buffalo

found in guizhou province of China

I laugh my ass off when people in the U.S. get Chinese tattoos that say "STUPID C---", etc

Lucas Kauffman

07:08

@RoryAlsop Cybersecurity is about risk? Shiiiiiiit I thought it was about buzzwords and cyber space :(

like this: facebook.com/252350961471136/videos/1096996907006533/…

M'vy

08:17

hi

Arperum

Morning

Rory Alsop

@kalina it's a badly written film, that's why.

Adi

M

Rory Alsop

08:32

Morning all

kalina

well as long as everybody else is of that opinion too I won't feel so bad about not having a clue about what happened

I was going to watch it again today to see if it was tiredness

M'vy

@RoryAlsop well, the all point of the film is to leave you confused I guess

Rоry McCune

Mornin' All

M'vy

08:47

Hihhi

kalina

@MarkBuffalo wait, are you saying that not a single person in here is insufferable?

Rory Alsop

@M'vy No, not confused - just disappointed

@kalina it's just crapness

kalina

so I finally got around to setting up onedrive on all of my windows 10 pcs rather than repeatedly ignoring it

and now I've found another issue

other than getting N and D the wrong way around with 100% accuracy today

SD card operations on a SP4 are very battery intensive

Matthew

Morning

M'vy

Morning

kalina

08:53

bonjour

so I found out that "netflix and chill" does not mean watching netflix and chilling

how naive of me

Rоry McCune

@kalina lol, did you not know about that...

I hope it wasn't too disturbing an experience to find out about!

kalina

well no, I was down for the other thing anyway

M'vy

@kalina how so?

kalina

@M'vy "netflix and chill" = "are you down to fuck"

it's so obvious, what with one sentence containing the word netflix and the other contains down

/sigh

Rоry McCune

@kalina well you obviously don't spend/waste enough time on imgur or similar...

M'vy

08:58

hmmm... ok... I guess

Rоry McCune

@M'vy urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=netflix+and+chill

kalina

@RоryMcCune nope

Rоry McCune

it's a pretty well known meme

even for #Fogeys

kalina

you guys are so lucky that I dedicate so much of my internet time to being here

M'vy

@RоryMcCune well, I don't know all the meme database by heart

@kalina and we're grateful for it :)

kalina

09:00

I find browsing memes sites to be a complete waste of life

Matthew

I'm told that being invited in for coffee doesn't always involve coffee too

kalina

@Matthew well that's just false advertising, if I'm invited in for coffee I actually want some coffee

at least netflix and chill actually contains some netflix

Matthew

@kalina Personally, I'd prefer some tea. Or hot chocolate, if it's evening

kalina

caffeine doesn't seem to impact my ability to sleep

Matthew

@kalina I just don't like the taste of coffee waits for the cries of "fraud" and "not a real hacker"

Henry WH Hack

09:06

jQuery everyone!

My new way of saying hello,morning and goodnight in a cool way!

was it something I said?

kalina

yes it was

Matthew

I'm not sure jQuery is cool anymore

kalina

if you wish to greet people, you should greet them, blurting random words won't work

Henry WH Hack

I don't even know jquery it is just a style name I use!

Rory Alsop

@HenryWHHack if you don't know what it means...perhaps you shouldn't shout it as you enter a room. Just a thought.

Colin Cassidy

09:16

Morning folks

kalina

"folks" is too generic for group of special snowflakes like us

you should greet us all individually

Matthew

In person

kalina

at least it's better than blurting jquery at us

Colin Cassidy

you're all individual

(I'm not)

Rory Alsop

@ColinCassidy I'm not!

Damn

Ninja-ed

kalina

09:17

I AM NOT AN INDIVIDUAL, I AM A FREE WOMAN! oh...

something about numbers

cable ties and dolly eyes

Rory Alsop

Who is number 1?

Matthew

@kalina Do you volunteer for the hunger games? Are you divergent?

Colin Cassidy

@RoryAlsop don't know but he's on first

kalina

I've never seen hunger games

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop you are number 6

kalina

09:18

I can't bring myself to watch jlaw's face for ten hours

Rory Alsop

I am not a number. I am a free man.

Rоry McCune

Number Six: Where am I?
Number Two: In the Village.

Rory Alsop

I so miss the Prisoner.....

Rоry McCune

Number Six: What do you want?
Number Two: Information.

Rory Alsop

Mostly Rover

Rоry McCune

09:19

@RoryAlsop ya know I have a bad feeling we're the only ones who know this reference...

kalina

the only reason I know anything about a 1960s tv show is because I've been to Portmeirion

Rory Alsop

@kalina brilliant

I love the place

Mensa does an annual conference there

Matthew

@RоryMcCune I've been to Portmeirion too - long time ago now

kalina

well I guess that shows t'other @RоryMcCune with his naysaying

back to being oblivious

Rоry McCune

@kalina pls you know the name but you didn't know the quote :op

Rory Alsop

09:21

@ThomasP probably is aware of it as well

Just because the bears are omniscient

kalina

@RоryMcCune and yet I knew it well enough to paraphrase one of the most memorable lines from the series

which started this entire prisoner discussion

M'vy

@RоryMcCune Well, I've heard of it. does it count ?

Rоry McCune

@kalina ah but was that knowing or just lucky happenstance

@M'vy indeed it does, welcome to club #Fogey

here's your pipe and slippers

kalina

of course it was

basically I type nonsense and occasionally it matches up with something that previously existed

such is life

Rory Alsop

@kalina - I wasn't sure if you knew it from the series, or from the Iron Maiden song of the same name (as obviously that is one of your favourite bands)

The intro has that bit from the series

kalina

09:24

gosh Iron Maiden, I obviously love that noise which is why I love dubstep so much

...

Rory Alsop

That would be a crossover that everyone could hate :-)

kalina

everybody knows the three most important things in my life are drugs, sex and dubstep

Rory Alsop

Iron Dubstep

Really? Dubstep?

Lighty

oi

kalina

Ironstep

Lighty

09:25

got mah drivers license

Rory Alsop

Lol

kalina

@RoryAlsop oh right, yes, hmm, no I like ambient trance obv

Rory Alsop

@kalina Well - two out of three ain't bad

Arperum

@Lighty So it was possibly you who nearly drove me of the road yesterday?

Rory Alsop

Meat Loaf - Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad

►

kalina

09:26

@RoryAlsop well if everybody was identical the world would be boring

Rory Alsop

Yarp

Very very very boring

kalina

@Lighty fortunately there are several countries worth of land between you and I

Matthew

Objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are

Lighty

@Arperum No, that was my Hitman that won't get paid

Matthew

(to link the two conversations)

Or to kill the whole chat. Either way is good

Arperum

09:30

@Lighty Your hitman sucks.

Rory Alsop

@kalina I am unsure of exact genres, but I think I like ambient trance... I think. Y'know, when just chilling by the pool.

kalina

is "chilling by the pool" a euphemism?

the last time I was asked to do something and chill it turned out to not be what I thought it was

Rory Alsop

It wasn't, but it is now

Hahahahahahaha

Matthew

@kalina No, it just means sitting in a chest freezer which has been dragged out to the poolside

silverpenguin

your manatee has returned

AviD

09:45

ooh! this is a first for us, on-topic spam!

-4

Q: Certified Ethical Hacker

Ethical hacking field is the most desired information security training program. SSDN Technologies is an EC Council accredited centre, provides training through experienced IT professionals including hands on lab. In order to master the hacking technologies, you will need to become one, but an et...

professional-education

with a banner and everything

Lighty

Fancy spam

AviD

I hope you all now know to blacklist that cert.

oo should have commented before nuking - "There is nothing ethical about spam"

kalina

I blacklist all certs

Rory Alsop

That's shocking @AviD! I'm going to speak to my contacts at EC|Council

kalina

all they proove is that you knew something once upon a time

Rory Alsop

09:47

And tell them just how bad an idea that was

AviD

@RoryAlsop do you really have contacts there...?

Rory Alsop

@kalina possibly not even that...

AviD

@kalina no they dont, they prove you were able to pass a test

kalina

@AviD which is basically what I said unless you're going to be ridiculously pedantic, in which case I don't have time to read anything else you say today

Rory Alsop

@AviD Yep - quite a lot of chat with them as I try and help them improve their horribly broken CPE system

As I have my C|CISO but can't upload my CPE, so may have to ditch it ;-/

AviD

09:49

@kalina not pedantic, I am saying explicitly that "passing a test" has little to do with "knowing something"

kalina

you know enough to pass a test, which indicates you know something

AviD

@kalina thats not how these tests work

kalina

you can't pass a test while knowing nothing

AviD

@kalina thats my point, you can

many have

kalina

if I keep up my winning streak of misspelling every word I type today I'm going to have a nervous breakdown

@AviD if you had zero knowledge you could not pass a test

AviD

09:50

@kalina well, zero productive knowledge.

Rory Alsop

You guys are saying the same thing

kalina

@RoryAlsop I said it first, he said I was wrong, I'm obliged to circular argument until he dies

it's in my genetics

Rory Alsop

Lol

What is the lifespan of a tigger?

I guess that depends how close they get to the fire :-)

AviD

@RoryAlsop I dunno, there is a difference between knowing something at a some point in time, even if you are likely to forget most of it, as opposed to not really knowing anything of value in the first place.

@kalina hehe

@RoryAlsop lol

so I had a nice surprise yesterday - knock on the day as I'm getting ready to leave, its the FedEx guy. With a package for me. It was SE swag! woot! :D

Rory Alsop

@AviD yay. Have you told @Simon?

silverpenguin

09:52

I actually read that spam before i flagged it... seemed like interesting spam... better than the beauty and erectile disfunction ones

kalina

DE swag laced with anthrax

Rory Alsop

(Sorry @Simon)

AviD

@RoryAlsop lol, just now

Rory Alsop

@AviD Which swag?

AviD

@Simon ^ chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/28069279#28069279

silverpenguin

09:53

waiting for the spam which tells the whole of SE that we have won the Nigerian lottery

AviD

@RoryAlsop I think it was the 1M one from meta.se

Ixrec

there is a difference between knowing something and knowing something useful, but assuming that any use of the phrase "knowing something" automatically implies "knowing something useful" is merely setting everyone up for silly non-arguments like that

Rory Alsop

@AviD cool

AviD

shirt / cup / pen / notebook

Adi

@Ixrec Wrong room?

Rory Alsop

09:53

The SO branded stuff? Is nice

Ixrec

@Adi scroll up

AviD

@silverpenguin well, some people here need both

Rory Alsop

@Adi he is responding to AviD and kalina's discussion

kalina

Email I just received:

Ixrec

everyone seems to be getting swag lately, was there an event I didn't hear about?

kalina

09:54

Your Apple ID <myactualemailaddress> is due to expire.



You have not yet updated your Apple iCloud ID and it is now pending

expiration. To prevent your Apple ID becoming terminated you must review

your Apple ID within 24 hours of 05 - March - 2016.



To update your Apple ID please visit:

appleticket-364738.com/myprofile/…;



Sincerely,

Apple Inc

Rory Alsop

@Ixrec meta had a few ways to get free swag

You have to frequent meta.se to spot them :-)

AviD

@Ixrec okay if we're getting pedantic, the implied meaning of "knowing something" is "knowing something relevant", and not "knowing how to dress oneself and use a pen".

Adi

@kalina Oh shit! I need to update mine to prevent expiring!

Iszi

@kalina Nice. Checked haveibeenpwned.com lately?

AviD

@RoryAlsop yeah, real nice.

kalina

09:55

@Iszi no, I guess I should do that

AviD

@Ixrec this was like 3 months ao

M'vy

@RoryAlsop once upon a time, you got some from actively being part of the elections

Rory Alsop

@M'vy that was cancelled because of Evan

AviD

hahaha

M'vy

@RoryAlsop details?

Rory Alsop

09:56

It's true - the most anti SE person alive kept being sent free t-shirts as he ran in every election

silverpenguin

my latest email:
BEST PRICE TODAY:

Viagra|Price: $0.77
Cialis Price_ $0.72
Viagra Professional|Price- $2.42
Cialis Professional|Price: $3.20
Levitra|Price- $ 1.79
there is a professional viagra price

Rory Alsop

Is it better in some way?

M'vy

@RoryAlsop was he at least in the last nomination phase ?

Adi

@kalina Whoa!

This is a quality fake site

kalina

I thoguht you'd like it

yes, my primary email address has been pwned

silverpenguin

09:58

@Adi whats the source code like? this is probably just a copy paste job of source code

kalina

good job for unique passwords and... well, the fact that email address is just a forward to another email address

Adi

@silverpenguin The source code is fantastic

I advise you to check it

Rory Alsop

@Adi images not available here at work. It's good though, is it?

@AviD - was that CEH spammer from EC!Council?

AviD

@RoryAlsop I assumed

didnt really say much other than that

Lighty

@Adi those look like some nifty plugins there, I recognize the Adblocker and HTTPS Everywhere, but whats the rest? :P

Arperum

10:08

@Lighty There is ghostery and a cookie editing/removal plugin that I'm too lazy to check the name for.

kalina

10:22

ghostery best plugin ever

Rоry McCune

@kalina yeah I run that and uBlock Origin

and HTTPS everywhere

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune Still getting to grips with Ghostery. Noscript did some things better. Ghostery completely breaks a few sites in such a way that they cannot be used...

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah it does need the odd disable, but the tracker blocking is nice and less invasive than noscript in JavaScript heavy sites

kalina

I've never had ghostery break a site

I miss chrome on my tablet

tablet being sp4

because chrome is too battery hungry

Matthew

@RоryMcCune You clearly don't do enough web testing!

Rоry McCune

10:34

@Matthew oh I never run those in my test profiles :)

Matthew

And from my previous life as a web dev, I remember having a nice discussion with a graphic designer who wanted to know why they couldn't see the adverts they'd spent several days making. Or any other adverts, for that matter...

Rоry McCune

that would be a bad idea (tm)

Firefox profiles are one of my favourite things, lets me isolate plugin sets and logins to different browser instances

Matthew

@RоryMcCune I tend to just wipe profiles on a regular basis, and use Chrome for other browsing

Stu W

10:56

Just laughed a little bit at a travel SE answer which included "And, no, you can't catch and release with a harpoon. It makes an explosion and a big hole."

Rоry McCune

lol

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