The DMZ

Matthew

12:01

Do they still show in star wall?

Oh dear...

kalina

unfortunately but I worked around that by removing the star list

Matthew

0

Q: Infrmation Security learning

I'm new in information security. I need some advices about how to start learning about this area. What are the courses I should take? From where can I start? Give me please an outline to pursue to learn about information security.

cryptography

"I suggest learning how to spell 'information' would be a good start"

kalina

refridgerator raiding brb

Adi

@AviD :D :|

Adi

12:31

sigh washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/02/24/…

Simon

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Q: What effect will listing my religion as an activity on my resume produce?

I'd like to list Orthodox Christianity as an activity on my resume. This is not a not-so-subtle evangelism tool but an actual activity. I spend (what I think) is a considerable amount of time attending services, reading books, and doing other things involved with being an Orthodox Christian. It i...

resume

re-sigh

Adi

Important note: This is highly country-dependent. For example, in the Nordics, it's generally viewed quite positively to list some of your hobbies somewhere in your CV. It shows you're generally a balanced person with an interesting personality. — Adnan 18 hours ago

Simon

o you did say that

^_^

Adi

Unless you're applying to a job in the porn industry, why would you list the type of dildos you like to play with?

Same principal applies for religion

Simon

It's a good thing to add your hobbies here too I believe.

AviD

12:36

yeah I've seen that around, I never understood it

I've been asked that in interviews too

I find it rather inappropriate

Simon

What is?

Adi

@AviD Hobbies?

AviD

I think next time I will respond with @Adi's analogy

@Adi yeah

not really a thing on resumes here, but I've been asked it.

Adi

Meh, I like it

Simon

People want to know who the individual is, I think it's fair.

AviD

12:37

now, on the other hand, I've been asked things like "what are your favorite tech blogs", now that makes sense

Adi

We have this company in Finland reaktor.com

AviD

@Simon "who the individual is" outside of anything related to work, is irrelevant.

"how many kids do you have?" -> irrrelevant

Adi

They only hire you if you're special somehow

Simon

@AviD I don't think so. If you want to find out if the individual is likely to fit in the company's culture, you gotta know who the person is beyond work I believe.

AviD

"What kind of day care do they have?" -> irrrelevant

Adi

12:38

You need to be competent and know your shit, of course

AviD

"Do you take them rock climbing?" -> irrrelevant

"Do you ever go rock climbing?" -> just as irrrelevant

Adi

but you should also be an artist, have your own beer line, fly rockets, etc.

Simon

Anything about kids should not be asked, that I agree.

AviD

@Simon I think you misunderstand what culture is.

Though you would likely fit nice in a brostartup in SF/SV.

Simon

Suuuure.

AviD

12:40

@Simon what is the difference between those two questions?

Adi

Well, in your case it's understandable

You're a grumpy old man who has no hobbies

Simon

@AviD "Oh, the guy has 188 kids? He'll always be distracted from work"

AviD

@Simon bullshit.

"Oh I have a harem of 17 wives, plus 38 servants to manage the kids. I only see them on weekends."

Simon

pls

AviD

or are you looking to see if he is an asshole, that is legitimate.

Adi

12:42

Having a chat about hobbies in the interview is very normal

Simon

@Adi That's how I see it too.

Adi

Of course, @Avi doesn't have a job

AviD

I've actually seen (my ex-boss interviewing for my replacement) being asked: "Oh you have 3 kids? how will you be able to do the job??"

Adi

and hasn't had one in a long time

AviD

It was a woman, of course.

Journeyman Geek

12:42

"I have... I think 4 computers. Maybe 5. Not counting the old ones that probably still work"

Adi

so he doesn't know how it works

AviD

That was the most serious question in the interview.

@Adi heh this is true

Simon

@AviD That's exactly why I said it should not be asked.

I don't see how someone might not give you a job because of a hobby, unless it's fucked up.

AviD

@Adi no its not about "not knowing", its about not willing to put up with absolute bullshit.

and the fact that its common, is why I still refuse to work at most companies.

Adi

1 min ago, by Adi

so he doesn't know how it works

AviD

12:43

@Simon oh I agree with that

in which case it is completely irrelevant to ask in an interview.

Adi

Companies don't hire monkeys

They hire people

It's normal to learn about this person you're hiring

AviD

@Adi you think I dont know, because I'm not willing to put up with bullshit?

kalina

that's a lot of computers

AviD

@Adi yes, but in an interview it should be about things pertaining to the job, and all aspects. Leave the socializing outside.

kalina

I have... oh

I have two desktops and two surfaces

Adi

12:45

@AviD All more confirming this

2 mins ago, by Adi

so he doesn't know how it works

kalina

but no old ones

Adi

@Avi Decent companies have multiple interviews

AviD

@Adi no, its confirming that I will not put up with bullshit.

Adi

One is usually about the stuff you're talking about

Journeyman Geek

@kalina Desktop, 2 laptops, 2 nucs, not counting my dad's 2.

AviD

12:45

again, just because people do it, does not mean it is okay

Adi

Skills work and whatnot

AviD

by any stretch of the imagination.

Journeyman Geek

@Adi shitty ones have none ;p

kalina

I try to avoid having a pile of old hardware

Journeyman Geek

@Adi I was under the impression 2 was the minimum

kalina

12:46

unless it's synths, but they're not in piles

Journeyman Geek

One 'general' one, and one technical

AviD

@Adi sure there are other interviews about "soft skills", your personality, etc.

but not your private life.

kalina

one general use, one specialized use

AviD

"what car do you drive? how big a house do you live in? "

Adi

@JourneymanGeek Usually, yes. In my job, I had 4

Simon

12:46

@AviD Nice hobbies.

kalina

so you don't have all of your silly software and games and background tasks running on the machine you need to work

Simon

"I live in a house, that's my hobby"

Adi

@AviD If you can't see how that is different from hobbies, then discussing with you is pointless

AviD

@Adi of course I see how its different.

Adi

Companies don't usually have internal clubs for how big your house is

but they usually have clubs for rock climbing

AviD

12:47

but if you cant see how it is equally irrelevant, and thus inappropriate, then discussing with you is pointless

Simon

Which may help for team bonding.

AviD

you can go ahead and continue to be a good little sheepie, and your circumstances might necessitate that, but that does not mean it is an acceptable situation

Adi

@AviD They're not equally irrelevant

and wait wait

irrelevant to what?

irrelevant to learning about you as a person?

AviD

@Simon and if I dont rockclimb, but excel at everything work related? that is EXACTLY why it is a BAD thing to be asking.

Adi

Because it's definitely relevant

AviD

12:49

@Adi to learning about how you will do your job, and fit with the rest of team as they do their jobs

Adi

@AviD Then you don't work in a team. You open your own company and work on your own

AviD

@Adi learning about you "as a person" is irrelevant

Adi

which brings us to

7 mins ago, by Adi

so he doesn't know how it works

AviD

@Adi hahhaa

fair enough

and here we are

Simon

I guess we're having a culture clash.

Adi

12:50

@Simon No no no

That's not culture clash

AviD

@Simon again you use that word, I do not think it means what you think it means

Adi

Avi genuinely knows very little about how companies work these days

Whenever we have such discussion, we reach this point

AviD

@Adi actually, thats not it at all.

Simon

@AviD You think other people in your society would say the same or not?

AviD

I know very well that most companies DO work the way you say.

Adi

12:51

I remember we've had discussions like that maybe 15-16 times on the DMZ

AviD

I am just unwilling to accept it.

Adi

Avi ALWAYS gives the wrong advice

Simon

I don't know many people here who would be against hobbies in your CV, hence the culture clash.

AviD

which is why there are so few companies I would consider as valid .

Adi

Like he tells you to refuse working with a shitty client

Simon

12:51

@Adi loooooooooooooooooooooool

Adi

then you realize he has his own business

AviD

@Adi again, depends on your perspective and circumstances.

@Adi Best.Advice.Ever.

Ignore anybody who tells you otherwise (as a general guideline), in fact run screaming.

again, sometimes, for some people, it might make sense to compromise or make sacrififices. but as a general guideline, DEFINITELY do not work with a shitty client.

kalina

the ignore function breaks chat

AviD

unless they make it VERY worth your while.

kalina

I have a huge white space between the bottom of the screen and the last message -.-

AviD

12:54

@kalina hehehe lol soooorryyy

Simon

What did you say to get ignored?

kalina

oh I see what's going on

chat only shows a number of messages at a time unless you load more with the buttons at the top, and that number includes ignored messages

AviD

hey dont get me wrong though, I am fully aware that I am in very happy circumstances, and lucky to be so. In other circumstances, it would be harder to say no to bad clients, and in fact I have even said yes to them on occassion (though I've always regretted it). Still, if you want to ignore your own power, and your own needs, dont think I'm saying you shouldn't. It took me a long time too to realize that I can make my own choice, and that I can insist on behaving like a human grownup.

Simon

That's more than I can read at once, I should be done by next week.

2

^ elaborated tl;dr

AviD

@Simon I put the room in timeout. She took it as a personal affront, and felt that I thought she was about to explode. It was not the case.

Simon

12:58

@AviD o lawd

AviD

@Simon heh

Simon

Personally, breathing gets me ignored.

kalina

@JourneymanGeek you're not chatty enough and this is boring and almost like I'm chatting with myself

AviD

heh

kalina

/sigh

AviD

12:59

@Simon ask @kalina if the same thing happens with the stars. Like does she see a half-empty starwall?

Journeyman Geek

@kalina sorry

Simon

@AviD I can't, I'm ignored.

AviD

ah right

Journeyman Geek

I'm currently dealing with a shitload of personal drama, and I somewhat lack the spoons to be my usual witty self

kalina

it's fine, if chat stays boring long enough I'll be compelled to spend another several months away again

Simon

13:00

ok bye

kalina

:( personal drama is the worst

AviD

@kalina or you could unblock some people

Journeyman Geek

Oh some of it is someone elses personal drama, which is even worse than my personal drama

kalina

did you do that to yourself voluntarily?

2

Journeyman Geek

anyway, I'll be chattier when the current mess blows over, or if someone calls me about a job application I made

naw, family

kalina

13:01

well... hugs

Journeyman Geek

and I don't want to be any more detailed. Dirty laundy and all that.

kalina

yeah figured

Simon

@JourneymanGeek Then clean it you donut.

Journeyman Geek

heh

Matthew

Mmm, food

kalina

13:08

mmm food

Simon

Donuts would be lovely this morning.

Mark Buffalo

@Matthew lol

Matthew

@Simon They would be nice, but I made a mistake with lunch yesterday. Greggs had belgium buns at 75p each, or 2 for £1. I bought 2, and then (the mistake) ate them both instead of giving one away...

Simon

@Matthew Instant karma for being egoist.

Mark Buffalo

3 upvotes from a gold badge!

Simon

13:12

@MarkBuffalo Hang on, I'll make that 5 (turn my upvote into a downvote before you say that I don't know how to count you mong).

kalina

link

Mark Buffalo

:(

kalina

...

Mark Buffalo

97

Q: I found unknown PHP code on my server. How do I de-obfuscate the code?

We've been getting a lot of noise regarding hacked PHP files here, and it's taking a lot of time to answer these questions. In many cases, they are off-topic. We've had a discussion about this on Information Security Meta, and many people want these posts to stay. However, nearly every single p...

php incident-response obfuscation websites

Simon

Look at all the fun this ignore is creating.

Mark Buffalo

13:13

the question, not the answer

kalina

oh well if it's a question I can downvote without losing rep

I was totally willing as well

Simon

rekt because of confusion

kalina

aww I've already upvoted both of them

Mark Buffalo

luls

M'vy

Hm so the repair store send me a order sheet including "software upgrade" for my phone. I wonder if it's just standard procedure, or if they're gonna erase my drive.

Simon

13:14

@M'vy You got malware, son.

kalina

your phone has a drive?

M'vy

@kalina they all do, they store data

Matthew

@MarkBuffalo I got a silver for, effectively, a link

kalina

flash is hardly a drive

M'vy

@Simon ah ah. I already had google OS on it

but disk is encrypted. So you know.

Simon

13:16

@M'vy Some iOS/Windoze fan would probably say that anything from Google is malware equivalent for privacy.

Mark Buffalo

@Matthew yeah, I got a silver for an opinion post

kalina

why would you even allow a third party to install software on your device

do you not remember rule 3?

Mark Buffalo

couple of my posts are blatant opinions... but they needed to be said

Simon

@MarkBuffalo Hang on, I'll flag them.

M'vy

@Simon that's what I was trying to hint :)

kalina

13:17

it's not rule 3, how embarrassing

Simon

@M'vy o loooooooool

kalina

I suppose it could apply

Simon

My bad.

M'vy

@kalina Well I did not. They just added that in the order sheet.

kalina

set fire to them for unauthorized access to the software on the device

M'vy

13:17

I've only ask for hardware repair

Mark Buffalo

@Simon they are answers

Matthew

@kalina It's not "By joining Star Corps each individual tacitly consents to give up his inalienable rights to life, liberty and adequate toilet facilities"

M'vy

If they do touch software (and I'll know cause they'd have to delete all the data)

Mark Buffalo

but I backed them up with references

M'vy

Well I'll go back to system factory settings

Simon

13:18

@MarkBuffalo flegged

Mark Buffalo

it's in defense of encryption vs. government tyranny

kalina

@Matthew pls that's not what I meant

M'vy

@kalina yeah, that would be a real catharsis

kalina

oh noes, a yawn so powerful it made my eyes leak

Matthew

@kalina Leak tears, or leak blood. The former isn't too bad, the latter suggests problems

Mark Buffalo

13:23

@Matthew Women in general have problems

kalina

@MarkBuffalo -.-

Simon

looooooooooool

Mark Buffalo

@kalina :( sorry

kalina

blabla

AviD

@MarkBuffalo yeah, they're usually called "men"

Mark Buffalo

13:32

@AviD agreed

Thomas Pornin

@kalina Fun fact: all mammals yawn, except giraffes.

Simon

I had to cover my mouth to not laugh loudly.

pornu and his fun facts

Lucas Kauffman

@ThomasPornin so why dont they yawn

Matthew

@ThomasPornin You can make most mammals yawn by yawning at them. Doesn't work for non-mammals though

Thomas Pornin

@LucasKauffman Nobody really knows why. It is an open research question.

Also, giraffes sleep less than 2 hours per day. And their tongue is blue.

Lucas Kauffman

13:35

@ThomasPornin another PhD possibility for zoologoists

Simon

I want a Smurf tongue.

I also should get a tattoo on my tongue.

Matthew

@Simon Go Smurf hunting then...

Simon

@Matthew Did you see the weather outside here?

Thomas Pornin

Simon

It's not a weather friendly to Smurf hunting.

@ThomasPornin Oh god damn it.

Lucas Kauffman

13:37

btw I heard a good joke the other day

"Denial of service attacks is the e-way of throwing toilet paper over someone's house"

Thomas Pornin

@Simon A tongue tattoo is a concept that looks both painfully stupid and stupidly painful.

C++ is a modern language and it does provide array structures that check for out of bounds situations, but the code obviously runs faster without checking everything all the time. I'll eventually come here to downvote this answer, once I have the reputation. — Tomáš Zato 10 mins ago

Aah, threats !

kalina

@ThomasPornin that is a fun fact, that I didn't know!

at least we know I'm not a giraffe

well that and I'm short

@LucasKauffman that analogy isn't quite correct, though

Thomas Pornin

@Matthew Schizoid personalities (note: nothing to do with schizophrenia) are less likely to be subject of induced yawning.

kalina

surely a denial of service attack would be like turning up to the target's house with 500 of your mates and just driving up and down their road so nobody else can

Thomas Pornin

72

A: DDoS - Impossible to stop?

Imagine a shopping mall. By definition, anybody can enter the mall and then browse the shops. It is public. The shops are expecting people to come by, look at the displays, maybe enter and then buy things. In the mall, there is a shopkeeper, who sells, say, computers. Let's call him Jim. He want...

kalina

13:43

well fine you can use a mall analogy as well if you wanted

AviD

@ThomasPornin quick, call @diagprov! he is our resident C++ neckbeard expert!

Simon

@ThomasPornin What about tattoos on other body parts?

Matthew

@Simon Can be dangerous. One of my colleagues nearly flashed our CEO when showing off his other body part

Thomas Pornin

@Simon I am not a fan of tattoos, aesthetically speaking.

Simon

@Matthew Hahaha.

kalina

13:48

me either

Simon

@ThomasPornin That was my thought, until I decided that I should give it a go.

And now I have projects in mind that cost a lot of monies.

Thomas Pornin

In some rare cases, tattoo ink migrates through the body and accumulates in ganglia, where they may show up as cancer metastases look-alike, leading to confusion and useless surgery.

Simon

o

That won't stop me though #yolo

RoraΖ

froyo?

Simon

Also, I'd like to know if the leak is due to the artist's fault (e.g. going too deep) or it is something "natural" that can happen with your skin.

@RoraΖ NO

Matthew

13:52

0

Q: how to catch a packages from wifi that i connected to ( or not connected to )?

I have wifi connection - and i want to use something like wireshark to catch all the packages that my wifi router is listen to. How can i do it? If i want to catch that packages from the router that i count not connect to - is it possible ?

wifi wireshark

Mark Buffalo

> In order to cover his tracks, Bob performs his dealings with the newspaper under the pseudonym of "bob" (which is his name, but spelled backwards).

lol.

Matthew

I tried! Wireshark wiki links and everything in comments

Thomas Pornin

@Simon It is "natural" because that's what ganglia are for: to deal with unwanted elements below the outer skin layer.

The ink type can change things, of course.

Simon

o

Mark Buffalo

> Gunther is smart, in his own twisted way. He contacts the newspaper, and is first puzzled, but then has an intuitive revelation: ah-HA! "bob" is just "Bob" spelled backwards !

Simon

13:53

Hence why it is important to choose your artist properly!

kalina

what on earth are you linking us

Mark Buffalo

I introduced 5 colleagues to secse

hopefully they are posting

kalina

great, more newbies

Rory Alsop

@Simon you need a tattooist who will not charge you :-)

kalina

don't you think it's a bit counter productive to be introducing real life people to an information security site with a chat room in which you hide using an assumed name?

Simon

13:59

@RoryAlsop Oh I wish.

Also, I guess it's fair to pay because it means that I won't get my whole body tattoo'd and once and then eventually be like "o, no more room left".

Matthew

@kalina You assume he doesn't use the same assumed name in real life!

Simon

I have no interest to get other body parts than my arms tattoo'd at the moment though.

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