The DMZ

TildalWave

22:00

and most transported back to where they came from

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave yeah I've heard interviews with some of the poor people in the big camp in Calais, seriously thinking that England is some kind of land of opportunity for illegal immigrants... this is unlikely to be the case!

TildalWave

one of the refugees on the train going through my city was asked by a reporter why wouldn't they stay here, and the woman replied that they heard it was a poor country ...

dunno, sometimes I think that was told to them intentionally by someone

there's not one person starving here or not having at least a shelter to be in... not the case in "richer" countries

I guess they think that more money means more compassion

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave geez, yeah you get the impression lots of people heard lots of stories that ain't true... they'll find out the score tho' apparently quite a few iraqi's are going home from Finland after finding out about the cold!

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune well that upset me because I was pro that we take as many as we can as soon as we can, and offer them the best that we can ... mainly, because of security... intelligence basically, before the baddies come here and realize that borders are leaking

and the most upsetting is that, sadly that is true, people that seem to oppose that the most were not too long ago refugees here as well

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave that is part of the sad bit that people don't see themselves in the refugees...

Thomas Pornin

22:10

@TildalWave In fact, France worked real hard at being unattractive, and it pays off: immigrants who go to France only do so as a step towards UK or Germany.

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin I know, and it seems to me that at least some other countries (I'm not gonna name them here) were speaking on behalf of our interests too

Thomas Pornin

Right-wing parties still try to spread the fear of all these foreigners rushing to France to grab all the social benefits, but in reality they tend to rush from France.

TildalWave

it would also be nice if our leaders grew a backbone, but that's not gonna happen

Thomas Pornin

@TildalWave In the long term, welcoming and settling all these immigrants is the only option that makes sense, economically speaking, and it is also the only stance that can be described as "honourable". But getting public opinions to accept that is another matter.

TildalWave

agreed

Gilles

22:17

@ThomasPornin I disagree with you on the economic point of view. WWII got a big chunk of the world out of a deep economic crisis and brought several decades of prosperity.

Or, in few words: crime pays.

Thomas Pornin

@Gilles In the long term it is all about demography. Western people don't make enough babies. Immigration fixes that.

TildalWave

@Gilles for those who steal, yes

there's also victims

I mean let's be honest, western prosperity is built on poverty of most of the rest of the world

Mark Buffalo

commonwealthfund.org/publications/press-releases/2010/jun/…

@TildalWave lmfao

@RоryMcCune Can you blame them? Cold > oppression :p

Thomas Pornin

@TildalWave This is the old "luxury debate"

On the one hand, rich people/countries exist because they got wealth from the poor.

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin My grandfather rushed away from France as well... and that's how I become a halfling... or a thirdling.

Thomas Pornin

22:24

On the other hand, rich people and countries can get things done, that would not be done otherwise.

E.g. medecine.

And science.

So whether there should or should not be inequalities in wealth is not an easy question.

Mark Buffalo

I'm okay with immigrants... just not illegal ones; they've already shown disrespect for the rules/law, and don't belong here

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin sure, but it's wise to have some perspective... because what you'd mostly hear here "in the west" is that we're dealing with "their problems"... and that isn't true, most of those nations were just fine on their own, then we came there

Mark Buffalo

Also, I'm more than willing to take in refugees from Syria...

TildalWave

also, both medicine and science come from "there"

including personal hygiene

Mark Buffalo

@schroeder Yo

@schroeder You ever find out about that weird DNS thing?

@schroeder tinfoiling here but check out this: googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2016/02/…

Thomas Pornin

22:28

@TildalWave Real Science, as in "scientific method", is a West-European invention.

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin What about the ancient arab world?

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin method yes, disciplines no

Mark Buffalo

For example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

schroeder

@MarkBuffalo yep - it was Chrome

Mark Buffalo

@schroeder Chrome was... doing weird DNS queries...?

Thomas Pornin

22:29

@MarkBuffalo That's not science. That's philosophy, mathematics... but the breakthrough occurred in the late 16th century in Europe.

schroeder

@MarkBuffalo yep - when you launch Chrome it sends out 3 random strings as DNS quries

Thomas Pornin

Though it took some time to yield actual benefits.

Mark Buffalo

@schroeder lol... and we were tinfoiling for no reason

schroeder

@MarkBuffalo for the same reasons malware or an attacker would

Thomas Pornin

The non-science method brought us every advances up to (and including) the steam engine. Everything invented afterwards is a fruit of science.

Mark Buffalo

22:30

Wait a minute...

@schroeder But didn't you say that it was trying to query other random places on your corporate network?

or did I misunderstand you

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin but it isn't exclusive to specific parts of the world

schroeder

@MarkBuffalo yep - that was a different process, I found out

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin I don't know, I thought Alhazen introduced the scientific method

@schroeder What and why was it doing that?

schroeder

@MarkBuffalo Windows Update

TildalWave

and additionally, most scientific papers I read are authored by non-native family names

Mark Buffalo

22:32

@schroeder Oh... windows update was trying to contact unknown servers on your corporate network that aren't even involved in the update process?

Thomas Pornin

@TildalWave I told you: immigration is a good idea...

TildalWave

so even if we can say that certain parts of the world finance most of science, that is not true for "who" is doing that science

schroeder

so the chain of events went: user logs in, launches Chrome, Chrome sends out random DNS queries. A couple minutes later, WU kicks in, checks for updates on the Windows servers, THEN SCANS THE ENTIRE NETWORK LOOKING FOR DOWNLOAD LOCATIONS FOR WINDOWS 10

Thomas Pornin

@TildalWave Remember that we were talking about wealthy countries, not populations.

Mark Buffalo

@schroeder WTF

schroeder

22:33

@MarkBuffalo yep

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin I know, sorry, I drifted there a bit LOL

schroeder

@MarkBuffalo even so far as to log in and poke around

TildalWave

basically, I can agree that accumulation of wealth has its benefits, but I strongly object to anyone having the right to be smug about it

Mark Buffalo

@schroeder I... I don't trust that at all...

@schroeder Malware can modify processes

Is this a documented feature?

schroeder

@MarkBuffalo yep ...

Mark Buffalo

22:35

vomit....

schroeder

there's a switch to turn off

Mark Buffalo

Got some links? I'm turning that the hell off

schroeder

@MarkBuffalo digitalcitizen.life/…

"By default, Windows 10 enables downloads of updates only from other PCs from your local network"

but the behaviour also shows up on Win7

Mark Buffalo

@schroeder That is good to know.

Thank you kindly

kalina

this is old news

what's the problem?

diagprov

22:50

@kalina The NSA. Modrators. Bankers. Trump. Has to be one of those.

kalina

all of those things are boring

fine I'll watch youtube

David Freitag

Just spent the last two hours mopping

TildalWave

old place or the new place?

David Freitag

Work

TildalWave

huh?

David Freitag

22:56

My workplace flooded

TildalWave

not nice

David Freitag

Very not nice

TildalWave

the roof gave in or something?

David Freitag

We will learn tomorrow whether $380k worth of precision equipment was ruined

TildalWave

or drains covered by snow?

David Freitag

22:57

They think the foundation is damaged

It's nearly 25°C outside right now

TildalWave

yikes

David Freitag

Pouring rain all day on top of like 30cm of snow

kalina

@DavidFreitag oh they finally promoted you?

David Freitag

@kalina Yeah but it doesn't come with a pay raise

TildalWave

@kalina mop, not a broom :P

kalina

22:59

is that some kind of witch joke

TildalWave

yeah...

kalina

hey er

David Freitag

Are you trying to say I'm magical?

kalina

watch full movies on youtube?

pay monies to watch full movies on youtube?

when did that happen

David Freitag

since google video

kalina

23:00

that's interesting

can you watch it repeatedly or just once?

David Freitag

yeah its a 24 hour period

as I recall

kalina

€14 to watch for 24 hours?!

David Freitag

Are you sure that's not to buy? Cause you can buy forever or rent for 24 hours

kalina

I don't know

or care that much

what they charge more for hd

David Freitag

think so

kalina

23:03

so if you "buy" it do you actually get to download it

David Freitag

you should be able to

kalina

what do you mean by should

David Freitag

ive never actually bought anything from google video

kalina

why not

David Freitag

Because netflix

kalina

23:05

why netflix

David Freitag

Because there are no ads and I pay $4.99/mo for as much as I want

My mouth is on fire. Again.

kalina

why is your mouth on fire

I'm innocent

David Freitag

Hot peppers and sriracha in my burrito

(Yes that was a euphemism)

Luckily I have some chocolate

kalina

why do I even want a netflix subscription

David Freitag

Because it's more morally correct than torrenting and it's bucket loads better than live tv and hulu

kalina

23:10

I don't watch live tv or hulu

David Freitag

Well neither do I. Also, I have a bunch of people who use my netflix account (which you can split into "users") my grandmother, father, sister...

kalina

how does that work

David Freitag

Up to four people can use a netflix account simultaneously

@kalina fieldguide.gizmodo.com/…

And you can pay slightly more per month to support up to like 10 people I think it is

kalina

well t hat's just silly

fine it will be more interesting than youtube

David Freitag

It's kinda nice. After watching a few things Netflix will get a feel for what you like and build a list of things it thinks you might like

kalina

23:16

another company that thinks I'm in some random country

oh right that completely breaks everything

lol

Mark Buffalo

Nothing like fixing a problem that's been hounding us as a company for longer than I've been here... in just 10 minutes

:->

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo I have done that pretty consistently since I started in Engineering two years ago

It's the consequence of working at a company where nobody has the motivation to do anything

Mark Buffalo

Feels good don't it

This problem required obscure knowledge of technology and protocols long forgotten

David Freitag

Like most things the good feeling fades after a while. It becomes mundane.

Mark Buffalo

I'm like wait. ...I've done this before

David Freitag

23:24

Yiss mining barge skills finally finished

5 days of traning... :|

Mark Buffalo

I feel really good when I solve problems

Never gets old

David Freitag

Recently it seems difficult to get excited about anything

Mark Buffalo

:(

David Freitag

Even the prospect of being excited seems unexciting

Rory Alsop

23:39

Got up to level 34 on fallout 4 today. That's me played for nearly 22 hours so far. Probably not progressing as fast as @kalina but then I do like clearing everything as I go, and ensuring I discover every single location so I do a lot of walking

schroeder

@RoryAlsop I used to be a gamer, then I took a baby on my knee ...

Ohnana

@schroeder pls.

@RoryAlsop i haven't gotten past bunker hill yet and i'm like level 40

i've been grinding on my settlements :))))

schroeder

@RoryAlsop I REALLLY miss gaming

Rory Alsop

@Ohnana settlements are my least favourite bit. I have taken to hunting deathclaws

David Freitag

@schroeder @schroeder stole a baby?!?!?! Someone call the Canadian Mounties!!!

Rory Alsop

23:48

Me and Nick Valentine in power armour. I use a machine gun and a haunted sword

And a lot of stimpaks

@schroeder - baby time is best for gaming. You are up at random hours, knowing you can't get a good sleep, so might as well play :-)

Ohnana

@RoryAlsop BANGER

deathclaw hunting is also fun

pew pew

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