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15:01
step 1) answer every answer with "what does that mean?"
Funny how that song has been translated to French.
@kalina teach them to say "what are those" and point at people's shoes
o lawd
T_T
15:02
^follow up with this classic
rip trololo guy
@RоryMcCune "you know how you have this remote (they've got one of those logitech all in one remotes with a lcd screen) well the TV can still be turned off with this remote and you can do all of these things with these buttons so if you hide this remote you can control the TV even when your mom says no TV"
@kalina nice
@kalina waddaya mean?
@AviD what does that mean?
15:05
@kalina what does that cena?
JOOOOOOOHHHHNN MENA!
telling little girls that every time a boy is nice to her it's because they want something
A Bulgarian umbrella is an umbrella with a hidden pneumatic mechanism which injects a small poisonous pellet containing ricin. It has a hollowed stalk into which the pellet neatly sits. Such an umbrella was allegedly used in and named for the assassination of the Bulgarian dissident writer Georgi Markov on 7 September 1978 (the birthday of the Bulgarian State Council chairman Todor Zhivkov who had often been the target of Georgi Markov's criticism) on Waterloo Bridge in London, (Markov died three days later) and also allegedly used in the failed assassination attempt against the Bulgarian dissident...
lol
@MarkBuffalo Damn Belgians.
@LucasKauffman I blame you for this
@MarkBuffalo that's like Bulgarian Airbags, right?
NSFW
15:06
erm
@RoryAlsop I... I am curious now.
not clicking that
you know that bulgaria and belgium are not the same place, right?
@kalina I've heard it both ways.
15:06
@Ohnana correct
@kalina I may have mixed up the countries
typical american
@MarkBuffalo how did you hose that up?!
you're so mexican
@MarkBuffalo dont worry, stick em in a room and they'll sort themselves out.
15:07
@RoryAlsop hjust threw rup all over my keyboard
@kalina they're all from Europe anyway, right?
@Ohnana Because I wasn't sure if he was from Bulgaria or Belgium :b
same thing
@AviD that doesn't make it acceptable
@AviD how's that whole living in a pyramid thing working out for you?
15:08
@kalina I have read that a couple of times and still can't quite understand it
@AviD Just like Israel is Egypt.
ok. question
@RоryMcCune He's such a crazy Egyptian
@RоryMcCune heh
15:09
You web-dev pennytrayshun testers
Let's presume I want to test some code via the developer console, right
@RoryAlsop where you impart your ugly opinions of life upon an innocent little 6 year old
Or rather, I want to select elements, etc
wrong
I was sitting in a bar one time and I saw a Jewish man walk in and sit down to have a drink. After a few drinks a Chinese man came in and sat next to him. The Jewish man immediately turned and punched the other man in the face.

The Chinese man shouted, "You fool! What was that for?" The Jewish man replied, "That's for Pearl Harbor." Chinese man said, "You idiot, I am Chinese not Japanese!" Jewish man replied, "Chinese, Japanese, what's the difference?"

The Chinese man proceeded to punch the Jewish man in the face.
@MarkBuffalo CONSOLES? PC MASTER RACE FOR LIFE
15:10
roro pls I can't read this much text at once
@Simon soz, not soz
:OOO
@Simon can only read short sentences of 6 words or less
@kalina that is a lot more selfaware than I expected you to admit ;-)
@kalina wat u say 2 long pls
15:10
Let's presume I want to test some code via the developer console, right... Now I'm using an older version of Internet Explorer, and it will NOT load dynamically-generated content like Firefox and Chrome's web developer console. Using anything other than Internet Explorer will not work because of certificate problems. WHAT DO?
@RоryMcCune pfft
@MarkBuffalo start smashing the security settings to fix the certificate problems
@MarkBuffalo use a more modern version of IE?
@AviD I know my opinions on life are broken but those opinions are formed based on the road I have travelled to get where I am
@MarkBuffalo use a proxy, sit it between the browser and the app...
15:11
@Ohnana Managed by sys admin... sys admin cannot change/import.
and what certificate problems?? Chrome uses the same cert store.
@DeerHunter: a malware that can leverage a sound-based attack on a HSM assumes that even without a malware setup we know of a sound-based attack that works on a HSM.
proxies tend to be configurable to be tolerant of SSL weirdness
@RоryMcCune Will not work. Certificate must match internally-provided
The number of times my cynical outlook on life has saved my from more issues is a large number though
15:12
Incompetent sys admins.
@MarkBuffalo are you using ActiveX/Java?
Every proxy + other web browser is throwing an exception
@RоryMcCune Java
@kalina makes sense, if you stay on the same road you will see the same landmarks.
I've tried locating the certs for import... cannot find
@MarkBuffalo Java Applets.. did anyone tell you're co. that Oracle have deprecated those
15:13
@RоryMcCune jsp
@MarkBuffalo JSP and applets not the same thing.. if you have no thick client code the browser generally can't spot stuff about the cert. so a proxy should work just fine
Yeah, the proxy is throwing an exception
@MarkBuffalo dont need to import, they be there already
it's only when you get into the world of applets and ActiveX that it gets a lot harder to fix
what is the problem with the cert?
15:14
@AviD They aren't
server or client?
@MarkBuffalo what exception is it throwing?
@RоryMcCune NullPointerException on the security portion
@MarkBuffalo wut
It's throwing that on the web server
15:14
@MarkBuffalo is this burp/fiddler/ZAP?
@MarkBuffalo are you using client certs?
I've never seen an SSL cert produce a null pointer (AFAICR)
@RоryMcCune The result is error 500: internal server error. The web server log announces NullPointerExceptions on the cert for everything that isn't Internet Explorer
@MarkBuffalo ah wait is this a client SSL cert?
15:16
Yeah
@MarkBuffalo I HAVE BEEN ASKING THAT
And it's all local
@MarkBuffalo have you tried loading the client cert. into the proxy?
@AviD SORRY, I am tabbing between stuff
@RоryMcCune That's the thing... cannot find that cert
15:16
who signed the client cert?
@MarkBuffalo then how is IE using it?
Cannot import that cert into firefox... cannot view certs in IE
@AviD No idea...
@AviD this statement seems to imply that it's somehow my fault, which I resent
wait, go into the IE settings, there is a setting something like "automatically use client cert if there is only one for the domain"
@kalina no, not at all.
not your fault, but your outlook will continue to reinforce your experience, until you change your behavior.
i.e. all men will behave like assholes, as long as you keep hanging around with assholes.
oh crap sorry @kalina, I did not mean to come off all preachy and mansplainy.
this would be correct but my experiences say that all men are assholes and so far that hasn't been disproven whoever I hang out with
@AviD can't configure any of that or even see it lol
15:19
@kalina exactly. So hang out with guys that are NOT assholes.
@AviD ok bye then
hehe
where is @Simon with #Rekt when you need him
@MarkBuffalo okay its in the internet zone settings
so I think I am wrekt... I'll just go through the code manually and manually link all of this obfuscated stuff together. I was hoping I wouldn't have to do that.
@AviD inaccessible
15:21
@MarkBuffalo control panel --> internet Options --> Content --> Certificates --> Personal
under misc -> "Don't prompt for client cert selection blabla"
@MarkBuffalo wut??
@RоryMcCune inaccessible. wrists
@MarkBuffalo dafuq, you're being asked to debug an app with client certs and you're not a local admin on the dev. box
28 secs ago, by AviD
@MarkBuffalo wut??
whats' the phrase I'm looking for here..... oh yeah sucks to be you :op
15:22
@RоryMcCune Pretty much, but debugging it is my choice :p
@RоryMcCune dont even need to be admin, just unrestricted low priv user
@AviD also cannot access that.
@MarkBuffalo lol yer fucked
@MarkBuffalo If I understood correctly, the Java is on the server side, and the client is some IE that connects over HTTPS; and the server asks (at the SSL level) for a client certificate ?
What version of Windows is the client ?
and what version of IE?
15:23
@RоryMcCune o lawd ovid got rekt real good
@AviD what, some of you guys are assholes to me at times
@ThomasPornin windows 7. IE11, actually. weird
@kalina true
@ThomasPornin And yes, you are correct. Assume server is local, though.
as in I'm running it
@MarkBuffalo Open a cmd.exe, run: certutil -user -store My
And also: certutil -store My
15:24
though, there is a difference between being an asshole, and behaving like an asshole at times.
This will show you the local certificates that can be used by IE
can happen to anybody. Once.
@ThomasPornin Tried it. Not recognized as a command ;x
(The first command opens the "currentuser" stores, the second uses the "localmachine" stores)
ah, wait. I typo'd it
@ThomasPornin I don't want to use IE for this. I want to use Firefox, or something else. IE11 is not loading the dynamic content in the console, so without this feature that chrome/firefox has, I will be stuck chasing down a lot of obfuscated javascript
IE11 is the only browser this is working with at the moment
15:26
E11?
You know you've got issues when something is working only on IE11.
@MarkBuffalo If the server requires a client cert, and you want to use Firefox, then you will have to make Firefox aware of the client certificate to use.
Ah, so... the whole problem is that I did not hit the "refresh" button
And this begins by locating that certificate.
........sigh
15:27
@MarkBuffalo wait wait, its IE11? then I think there is a setting you can flip.
oh look, user error
@AviD No settings for IE can be flipped
oh look, @MarkBuffalo
@MarkBuffalo ?
oh look, coincidence
15:28
@ThomasPornin Firefox should prompt you to add the certificate though, right?
Firefox has its own storage system for certificates, completely disjoint from the stores used by Windows/IE.
@AviD Yeah, so the issue is that IE11 doesn't automatically load the dynamically-generated content into the developer console
And there's a refresh button that doesn't really look like a refresh button...
@MarkBuffalo wut, ofc it does
ahhh
there ya go
so its sorted?
#markus
I will check. And not, it doesn't automatically load that. You have to click the refresh button...
15:29
@MarkBuffalo is refreshbuttonist
@MarkBuffalo not sure where you're talking about
he doesn't like using IE11 because he doesn't like the way the refresh button looks
chrome and firefox do that automatically. still doesn't solve the problem of not being able to use firefox though
@kalina heh
@kalina developer console's refresh button doesn't look noral
15:29
see, now you're being an a-hole to him
not that he doesnt deserve it, but still
this isn't asshole level of abuse
I'm not questioning his existence
@AviD go to a website in IE11 that loads content dynamically via javascript. hit F12
@MarkBuffalo duh. and?
all the content is missing
do you mean the dom explorer?
15:30
it doesn't refresh the dynamic content
Yes
cuz thats not the console...
ffs, I call this this whole thing the console!
fkin rekt
maybe @MarkBuffalo needs to RTFM the IE11 manual
== 'devtools'
15:31
@ThomasPornin How can I import one of those certs? The files are apparently missing
not sure why you're not seeing it, you should be.
the admins broke your IE.
jeezus markus do you even dev?
IE works fine normally.
I never use IE
don't blame the admins
15:31
It's a pile of crap
@MarkBuffalo Your question would make sense if you specified what you mean by "those certs", and also stopped talking about files.
admins don't target individual users unless individual users deserve targetting
@MarkBuffalo ah, you mean Firefox.
now you're inciting the bear
one more false step and he'll just bite off your arm or something
Wow Markus, you're getting rekt by everyone.
15:32
@kalina no, the admins already locked it down too hard.
@ThomasPornin You gave me a command to list certificates listed in the command line. The files I'm referring to are the certificate files.... how to find and import?
@AviD based on what I'm seeing, I'm going to conclude @MarkBuffalo is complaining about lock downs but is actually using the wrong thing
@MarkBuffalo First you have to export the certificate with its private key, into a file (a PFX / PKCS#12 file).
but the files! THE FILES!
@MarkBuffalo typically certs are stored in the cert store, not as files.
15:33
Oh, the files...
heheh
so much noise here
@MarkBuffalo: did certutil tell you that the private key was exportable ?
A knife that toasts bread as you slice it!
@ThomasPornin Unfortunately, "NOT exportable"
15:34
@MarkBuffalo That's only advisory.
You can export it but it requires a bit more tools.
the cert is not the problem! the problem is the admin broke your IE.
@ThomasPornin oh?? didnt know that!
@AviD The cert is the problem for using other browsers
wat
If I want to use REAL dev tools, I need the cert in Firefox/chrome
you know what, Trillian has no decent quotes
15:35
@MarkBuffalo: try this: bolet.org/mkpfx.exe
If I want to sit here and shit myself endlessly, I'll just keep using IE11
"real dev tools"
@MarkBuffalo bluh, the devtools in IE11 are very good
you are not missing anything that you get in other browsers
@AviD Not the DOM explorer.
Source code is there: bolet.org/mkpfx.c
15:35
@MarkBuffalo BECAUSE YOUR ADMIN BROKE IT.
@ThomasPornin Many dankes
it works fine elsewhere.
ok.. so I just checked the dom explorer refresh button
no fucking refresh
@AviD The "exportable" flag is just a flag; the key still gets loaded in the memory space of the calling application when it is used.
@MarkBuffalo gimme an example of a site
@ThomasPornin hmm true
15:37
@MarkBuffalo why would you want to refresh your ponies (just anticipating an @AviD edit here)
so your tool exports it from memory?
With CNG it gets loaded in another process, but one that still belongs to the user
@AviD Yes. In fact it just changes the flag in memory, then exports the key the normal way.
@ThomasPornin hehe!
@ThomasPornin I will use this at home... unfortunately, even though I know what it does, and can compile it myself, circumventing anything intentionally will get my bacons in trouble
I read the method in a PDF document somewhere, then rewrote the code
15:39
This code is really nice though
You're really nice.
5
that makes a nice opener for my pinwall story :)
@MarkBuffalo: Firefox has its own storage for certificates, but, on Windows, Chrome is supposed to use the Windows stores, so maybe Chrome would allow you to connect with your client certificate.
Yeah I'm gonna check it
Chrome master race
15:41
k chrome is inaccessible. sslstripping
In any case, a server that throws a NPE because the client did not offer a certificate can only be described as "sloppy".
Agreed, and that's part of what I'm fixing.
okay I am watching the DOM explorer rewrite itself.
pls share dem certs, servers
should I make a vine for you?
15:42
@ThomasPornin that is some world class content filtering just there
@AviD lucky you :(
chrome: NPE
brb, adding another notch to my wrists
why dont you just fix your damn IE??
@AviD CAN'T ACCESS ANY FIXOR SETTING
S
I AM COMPLETELY CRIPPLED
@MarkBuffalo then slap your admin!
he broke your windows!
I take issue with all these spams that advertise a flashlight that can purportedly "blind a bear".
15:48
Even if the bear was blind, he can smell you
hey @RоryMcCune I havent deleted anything in a while!
I've actually been paying attention to what my fingers are typing lately.
That's weird?
haha vermin supreme is doing an AMA
15:50
Trump?
Most of reddit is pro-Sanders so I guess he's gonna get rekt.
there's literally a candidate called vermin supreme
> The last thing you ever need is more bears.
15:50
Vermin Love Supreme (born c. 1961) is an American performance artist and activist who has run as a candidate in various local, state, and national elections in the United States. Supreme is known for wearing a boot as a hat and carrying a large toothbrush, and has said that if elected President of the United States, he will pass a law requiring people to brush their teeth. He also campaigned in 2012 on a platform of zombie apocalypse awareness and time travel research, and promised a free pony for every American. In 2011, he participated in the Occupy Boston protests. He is the subject of the 2014...
wadafuk.
> and promised a free pony for every American.
Shuddup and take my vote!
Disgusting.
Pesky ponies.
basically he's an anarchist that trolls the fuck out of other candidates
while try to get people to become responsible citizens
@AviD "Sharks can smell blood in water up to a quarter mile downstream. Big deal. Bears have the keenest sense of smell of any animal on Earth. Black bears in California have been observed traveling three miles in a straight line to a deer carcass. Polar bears will follow their noses 40 miles to eat seals. Somewhere, a bear is smelling you right now."
@Ohnana that's not very anarchist of him
15:53
@RoraΖ ahh so Crypto bears are like that, but for SSL bugs
@RoraΖ actually it is
there's a strain of anarchism that calls people to take on the responsibilites of the state as a collective
@Ohnana so thats the difference from the other candidates then
according to them, the state is violence incarnate, and people working as a collectivist society (not bound by the state or by any organized form of violence) will lead to us being better off
@Ohnana lol, but bound to the sect of anarchism that believes in this particular version of anarchy
@RoraΖ ??
15:55
"Lets get together as a group to be individuals."
That doesn't make much sense.
actually, it's less about individualism
Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution is a book by Peter Kropotkin on the subject of mutual aid, written while he was living in exile in England. It was first published by William Heinemann in London in October 1902. The individual chapters had originally been published in 1890–96 as a series of essays in the British monthly literary magazine, Nineteenth Century. Written partly in response to social Darwinism and in particular to Thomas H. Huxley's Nineteenth Century essay, "The Struggle for Existence", Kropotkin's book drew on his experiences in scientific expeditions in Siberia to illustrate the...
also of interest -- the wikipedia page on "mutual aid"
I'm actually reading this page now:
Collectivist anarchism (also known as anarcho-collectivism) is a revolutionary anarchist doctrine that advocates the abolition of both the state and private ownership of the means of production. It instead envisions the means of production being owned collectively and controlled and managed by the producers themselves. For the collectivization of the means of production, it was originally envisaged that workers will revolt and forcibly collectivize the means of production. Once collectivization takes place, money would be abolished to be replaced with labour notes and workers' salaries would be...

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