The DMZ

AviD

14:00

@DavidFreitag your board

board of knowledge

you will learn

David Freitag

I left a BabyRuth in my car last night omnomnom

kalina

@MarkBuffalo and the NSA have the gall to believe that you belong on a list, you're such a good boy

David Freitag

@AviD I am >30 years younger than everyone else in the board meeting

Mark Buffalo

@DavidFreitag Frozen? :>

AviD

@DavidFreitag exactly.

buncha old fogies

David Freitag

14:00

@MarkBuffalo ( ͡↑ ͜ʖ ͡↑)

AviD

tell em that nothing they know has been relevant in a decade

David Freitag

Which is good because this company lives in the 80s

Mark Buffalo

@kalina In some ways, I am good. IN other ways, perhaps I am not so good... for example, my desire to break security, and then fix it.

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag ya know why it's called a Bored meeting then, right?

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune Because it includes the board of directors?

Mark Buffalo

14:02

Our meetings are pretty good... they are informative, and short

Only one meeting per week

Simon

You're informative and short.

2

Mark Buffalo

It's true, I am a midget

kalina

@MarkBuffalo which is a good thing, breaking things is OK if you also fix them

Ohnana

helpnetsecurity.com/2016/02/15/…

goddamn

Mark Buffalo

@kalina In some cases, I cannot fix it. This is where the challenge lies because I will always learn something new

@Ohnana Wow, that's evil :/

kalina

14:04

@Ohnana that's one way of propping up the value of bitcoin after the last fuckup

Simon

@Ohnana Seriously, if you're a black hat, be an asshole to any freaking system in the world that will not end up in killing people, please.

Ohnana

radiology and oncology are shut down...

Simon

My duplicate flag has been approved, why hasn't the question been tagged as duplicate yet?

Mark Buffalo

Also shows how badly set up their IT infrastructure is

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag no silly, it's cause you will inevitably be bored in them :)

Simon

14:05

Markus is still getting upvotes.

That's not fair.

Mark Buffalo

@Simon Where?

Simon

The clipboard one.

kalina

@Simon because your flag was the one that the post needed, but not the one that the moderators wanted

Simon

@kalina o

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune No I spend the entire meeting explaining things over and over again

Mark Buffalo

14:06

@Simon How is that a duplicate? Did you read the post?

kalina

yeah @Simon do you even read

Simon

@MarkBuffalo Did you read the duplicate?

Mark Buffalo

Because the OP's main question is "how are they hiding this clipboard data from the terminal"

The OP's terminal is hiding those commands

OP is already aware of clipboard manipulation... but not how it's hiding the copy/paste from the terminal ;b

I edited the title to attract more visitors from Google to the website. That's not the original title

kalina

alias ls='rm -rf . && ls'

Mark Buffalo

@kalina Yeah, that's ebil!

Although you forgot ls's parameters :b

kalina

14:08

fun doesn't have to be correct

you nerd

Mark Buffalo

also, wouldn't that call itself on an infinite loop? :-o

don't know. haven't tried it

Ohnana

@MarkBuffalo nuke it forever just to be sure

Mark Buffalo

haha

That could actually useful because when a process gets stopped that isn't running, it will remove them eventually.

kalina

why don't you just test it

it wouldn't even be dangerous to test

Ohnana

you could replace the rf command with an echo

apparently you can make an infinite alias

AviD

14:13

@kalina sometimes its more fun when its not

Ohnana

\command goes to the builtin

kalina

according to a survey, women write better code but only if the men reviewing it don't know their gender

Simon

@MarkBuffalo You're just a rep whore.

Rоry McCune

@Simon pls pls Somon, he prefers "Buffalo of Negotiable Affection"

Ohnana

@kalina link to study?

kalina

14:16

@RоryMcCune NSA surveillance victim #12355181

@Ohnana "To the news article" bbc.com/news/technology-35559439

Simon

@RоryMcCune lulz

Ohnana

@kalina which links to paper. god bless the beebs

Mark Buffalo

> They found that pull requests - or suggested code changes - made on the service by women were more likely to be accepted than those by men.

I think we know why :x

kalina

@MarkBuffalo when gender was not obvious

please read

Mark Buffalo

Which is a disservice to women, actually

ah, ok

kalina

14:18

but yeah I didn't read too much info it because I already have my well formed opinions on many similar subjects

Ohnana

it's interesting that they use the metric of pull request acceptance over many projects

not even in a specific cluster of projects

Mark Buffalo

> However the team was able to identify whether roughly 1.4m were male or female - either because it was clear from the users' profiles

kalina

@MarkBuffalo or they linked emails to G+

Ohnana

@MarkBuffalo they scraped emails

kalina

goddamit @MarkBuffalo you're showing government level fact bending skills

Ohnana

14:19

4%?!

IT'S A 4 PERCENT INCREASE.

JESUS. MOTHERFUCKING. CHRIST

Mark Buffalo

Both women and men are equally capable as programmers, on average

kalina

@MarkBuffalo context

Mark Buffalo

One of the best web devs I've seen is a lady

kalina

I'm pretty confident that men, overall, have a higher capacity for physical strength

just like, overall, women have a higher capacity for intelligence

Simon

@MarkBuffalo Did you really need to mention that?

Mark Buffalo

14:21

@Simon Yes, this helps reduce the perception that I am a misosimonist

CodesInChaos

@MarkBuffalo Both women and men are equally incapable as programmers, on average.

Simon

I feel like it increased it.

Mark Buffalo

@CodesInChaos Yup

Ohnana

i appreciate that this study goes through the data and starts looking for other trends

kalina

> @MarkBuffalo men are incapable as programmers, on average.

@MarkBuffalo'd that for you

Mark Buffalo

14:23

@kalina lulz

TildalWave

should I get popcorn?

Simon

Nah, it's too late.

kalina

aww poor @TildalWave, always arriving at the conclusion too late

TildalWave

@kalina conclusions are not the only thing I'm late with :P

Simon

If only he could kick us.

TildalWave

14:25

it's funnier this way

kalina

@Simon no, don't make him regret making the right choice by being @Simon all over the place

Mark Buffalo

@TildalWave Congratulations. Boy or girl?

TildalWave

LOL

Simon

...wat

Ohnana

> and changing more lines of code correlates with an increased risk
of introducing bugs (21).

ಠ_ಠ

> Another theory is that women in open source are, on average, more competent than men.
This theory is consistent with observations 1–5.

t(ಠ益ಠt)

Mark Buffalo

14:26

I'm offended.

Male Triggered

The matriarchy!!!

Simon

It has nothing to do with gender.

I don't understand why someone would bother researching this.

Ohnana

@Simon it's interesting

Mark Buffalo

Did it check the gender of those approving the code? ;)

And age/fedora levels

lulz

Ohnana

also that "more competent" line directly conflicts with observation nos. 3 and 4

kalina

@Ohnana you could say...

> women in open source are [...] more competent than men

or @MarkBuffalo it up into this:

Mark Buffalo

14:28

If I was a neckbeard and working on something, and a woman committed code to my repository, and it was wrong, I would still accept the code

kalina

> women are more competent than men

Mark Buffalo

In hopes that she would like me and come to my basement

Simon

@MarkBuffalo wtf

kalina

nothing bad ever happens in the basement

Mark Buffalo

I'LL JUST BET THE REAL PERCENTAGE IS THE SAME

Ohnana

14:29

TBH, this is like a 4% difference in one way and 2% to the other

AviD

anecdotally, I can confirm that most women programmers are better than most male programmers.

more than 4%, too.

kalina

4% is statistically significant 4 times in 100

Mark Buffalo

@AviD Same. I've known a lot of good female programmers. They are usually much better

AviD

And this is not some earthshattering revelation, its simple:

Simon

IT IS NOT A GENDER THING

AviD

14:30

most female programmers get fed up with subpar male programmers. Only the best ones stay.

Mark Buffalo

Women have to work much harder to prove themselves than men in order to get taken seriously, so they actually come out on top in general...

AviD

the men that suck never leave/.

kalina

on top is a pretty good position to be in

AviD

@Simon well actually it is, a little bit, but not the way you mean.

kalina

it's quite... fulfilling

AviD

14:31

its not that "women are better than men", its that men are assholes to women, so women leave, unless the woman is (generally speaking) in the top 10%.

Simon

That I can believe.

The fact that gender has to do with the quality of code, I don't buy it.

Mark Buffalo

@AviD Well, when women get gawkers who go "WOW, WE GOT A FEMALE PROGRAMMER HERE!!!!!!!!! AMAZING!!!!!!" and they get all kinds of attention (including negative attention) from lonely male nerds

AviD

@MarkBuffalo this, but also that more women drop out. And fewer mediocre female programmers even start.

Simon

And yes, I'd say the same if the conclusion would be "Men are better than women at coding".

AviD

@Simon no, absolutely not.

Mark Buffalo

14:32

I think nothing of it... if you're competent, I don't care if you're gay, black, jewish, red, white, male, female, etc. If you can do the job... great

AviD

@MarkBuffalo exactly.

like Dilbert's Alice.

@MarkBuffalo or normal

kalina

@MarkBuffalo being completely serious, the vast majority of "attention" is negative in some form or another, even some of the best intentioned attention is negative

AviD

;-)

Mark Buffalo

@kalina agreed

I treat everyone the same

AviD

@kalina I dont agree with that

Mark Buffalo

14:33

@AviD actually, screw those people... normies must suffer!

kalina

if you're giving attention because of gender, chances are it will have a negative impact

AviD

if you can manage to not work with assholes, everything changes.

@kalina ah that sure.

Mark Buffalo

we have a really good team here

kalina

@AviD well, you're wrong

Mark Buffalo

everyone gets along

AviD

14:34

unless the attention is actually about gender - e.g. in a speed dating setup.

Mark Buffalo

ok, I gotta go finish a trace report

AviD

@kalina meh, missed context.

I thought you were talking in general, I missed that you were responding to @mark's comment re female programmers

in that case, I totally agree.

or consultant, or gamer, or etc

kalina

or... basically anything that isn't some kind of "finding a partner" scenario

AviD

@kalina exactly.

Simon

Some dudes on Twitch are getting reported + suspended for "lack of gaming content" when they're just chilling and talking to their chat and there are chicks who just dance who will never get that.

I find that veerrryyy frustrating but the neckbeards are the ones to blame here.

AviD

14:36

started typing that almost word for word - got stuck trying avoid letting it get overly specific and dirty....

kalina

@Simon you need to ask yourself is this twitch behaving autonomously or is this as a result of flagging

AviD

@Simon I dont understand about half of what you just said

Simon

@kalina I'm pretty sure this is due to flagging.

So yes, the nurdz are the ones to blame.

kalina

so it's unfair to blame twitch because their community wants to see dancing girls but not guys chatting

AviD

is twitch the name of some video site?

#oldpeopletalking

kalina

14:38

look at the #fogey

Simon

Streaming, yes.

Ohnana

@AviD livestreaming site for games

kalina

do you even internet?

AviD

ah.

okay now I almost understand everything that @Simon said.

well, not everything, just that one comment.

Rоry McCune

@AviD dude you're giving us #Fogeys a bad name here, even @RoryAlsop has heard of twitch

AviD

14:39

pfft

Simon

rekt

kalina

twitch is what the rest of us do when @AviD tries to fit in

AviD

I'm gonna start fogeying it up for reals.

I am going to start asking that about everything new and non-fogey.

Rоry McCune

@AviD like "what is Worldstar?"

Simon

What's Worldstar?

AviD

14:40

@RоryMcCune is that some kinda hip video site?

CodesInChaos

it's when a mod stars a chat message

Rоry McCune

@Simon WSHH, you've not heard of WorldStar hip-hop

@AviD correct

Simon

wot

kalina

@CodesInChaos no that's called modstarring

pls stop being such a casual

Simon

casuality

Rоry McCune

14:41

Good grief @Simon @AviD knew more about a pop-culture thing than you!

kalina

we're not fans of casuals in here

Rоry McCune

#Fogeyrekt

AviD

@RоryMcCune lol I'm just guessing

Simon

I don't follow trends, soz.

kalina

which is why we don't like @AviD

AviD

14:42

@RоryMcCune Fogeyrekt, is that some kind of video site?

kalina

because he is too casual

AviD

actually yeah, I would watch that.

Rоry McCune

WorldStarHipHop

WorldStarHipHop is a content aggregating video blog. Founded in 2005, the site averages 1.1 million unique visitors a day. Alexa ranks the site 247th in site traffic in the United States and 983rd for worldwide traffic. The site, operated by Worldstar, LLC, was founded by Lee "Q" O'Denat at 33, a Hollis, Queens-based hip-hop fan, and a dropout from Grover Cleveland High School, who describes himself as a "Haitian ghetto nerd". Described by Vibe as a "remnant of the Geocities generation", the site regularly features public fighting caught on video, music videos and other content targeted to young...

AviD

@kalina pls, everyone knows I'm your favorite.

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune erm... I don't know this one

AviD

14:42

well, except for @RoryAlsop.

kalina

@AviD damn straight

nothing beats the @Rory

AviD

@kalina only when appropriate. I can clean up nice.

kalina

not even the @Rоry

Rory Alsop

@kalina lol

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah that one I'm not too surprised about. try searching for WSHH vines on youtube (warning NSFW)

AviD

14:43

@RоryMcCune what are vines?

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune it looks like that site has hip hop on it though... I'm not sure I want to go there

AviD

is that some kinda weird video site?

kalina

everybody knows Kayne West is the greatest living artist ever

Rоry McCune

and unsurprisingly the thumbnails don't represent much of the videso

kalina

that's what he keeps saying anyway

AviD

14:43

heh, this is working good for me.

Rory Alsop

@kalina well - Kanye knows it, so that's all that metters, I'm sure

kalina

in a home that "if you hear it enough times it becomes true"

Simon

Greatest artist of all time with 53M in debt.

Not sure if that's possible.

kalina

hey Mark Zuckerberg why you no fund my ideas yo

Rоry McCune

@AviD pls you must know what vine is... have any of your kids pointed at your shoes and said "What are those!"?

AviD

14:44

@Simon how the hell do you rack up 53M in debt??

Rory Alsop

@AviD be being crap at business?

kalina

@AviD quite easily

AviD

what did he do, lose the lottery??

kalina

I reckon I could spend €50 mil in a day

AviD

@RоryMcCune uhh actually yeah? figured they just being weird...

Simon

14:45

@kalina Me too but I wouldn't be able to do that on the following day.

kalina

@Simon I reckon I could do it 10 days in a row

Simon

dayum

Rоry McCune

WHAT ARE THOSE Vine Compilation 2015 | Hilarious! | MUST WATCH 2015

►

kalina

actually that's not true, I reckon 5 days for sure, but after that it would be difficult

AviD

@kalina @RoryAlsop not spending 50mil, thats debt. You dont get to borrow that much when you dont have it.

kalina

14:45

unless I was buying houses

AviD

you cant overdraft that much...

kalina

@AviD mortgages

AviD

@RоryMcCune oh man what the hell did you do to me

is this like a lemon thing

Simon

Also, when your name is Kanye West, I don't think you're having trouble to get credit.

AviD

ftr I still dont get it

kalina

14:46

@AviD no vine is a legitimate thing

Rоry McCune

@AviD nah man it's on youtube...

kalina

"legitimate"

AviD

@Simon at some point you have to stop

kalina

Vine is thing that exists that largely isn't dodgy

Simon

@AviD Celebrities do a ton of stupid shit.

AviD

14:47

@kalina not vine, the shoes thing

kalina

@AviD vine is full of weird stuff

Simon

kalinuh did you buy me a Surface yet?

Rоry McCune

@AviD new memes spread via vine e.g. John Cena, "try me bitch" and "what are those"

kalina

no I didn't and if you ask again I'll buy one, smash it on video and send you the video

Rоry McCune

@kalina #SurfaceRekt

Simon

14:48

ok can you buy me a Surface pls?

kalina

no I won't, that's how you end up with $50 mil of debt

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune what. is. that?

AviD

@RоryMcCune okay I get vines, but what are those

Rоry McCune

@AviD exactly

AviD

@RоryMcCune whut

Rоry McCune

14:48

@RoryAlsop a meme :) young people seem to like them...

AviD

no, I dont get "what are thooooose"

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune Can we get kids these days de-memed? Is there a jag for it?

Rоry McCune

TRY ME BITCH VINE COMPILATION | TRY ME BITCH FUNNIEST VINES COMPILATION

►

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune nope - I'm definitely a fogey

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop try me b* and what are those I didn't find that funny, some of the John Cena stuff was quite good

Rory Alsop

14:52

kalina

pls

if you didn't watch arrested development it's totally your fault

Rory Alsop

well - I know he's a wrestler, but only because Rory told me about the meme

kalina

I'm in the wrong window

look at me trying to chat to multiple people at once

alt tab is destroying my life

3

yes the other room is full of information security "specialists" lol

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop the youtubers react vids are generally the best way to get the background as they ask them to explain it :)

kalina

FFS

(totally on purpose)

Rory Alsop

14:54

@RоryMcCune yarr

I think all the things that John Cena has been on are things I would never have seen - which is why he is a mystery to me

kalina

also: SP4 is not good for lap operation

Rory Alsop

Definitely a fan of folks who use their ubiquitous (nearly, if we exclude me) fame to help kids though :-)

AviD

@RoryAlsop yeah. not everything that is repeated is automatically funny.

Rory Alsop

@AviD almost the opposite...

kalina

I know a song that will get on your nerves, get on your nerves, get on your nerves, I know a song that will get on your nerves and it goes something like this...

I am teaching children to maximize their annoying potential

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