The DMZ

TildalWave

15:00

sure, I read fairy tales too

Journeyman Geek

I consider faith of any sort a tool for good or evil.

TildalWave

no problem with that

but I don't go around killing people in the name of Cthulhu do I?

Journeyman Geek

naw

Ohnana

@JourneymanGeek ya really. a lot of the terror acts in the US are by christians... because we have a lot of christians

Journeyman Geek

but people kill for any reason.

Mark Hulkalo

15:00

@Ohnana I've never heard of a Christian terrorist, though.

Journeyman Geek

and well, understanding the masterminds are fucking cowards is a good first step.

@MarkHulkalo mcveigh?

Mark Hulkalo

He was?

TildalWave

@JourneymanGeek well they're just downgrading their own existence to vermin with it

Journeyman Geek

yup

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah what a scumbag

I didn't know he was a christian

Journeyman Geek

15:01

@TildalWave: terrorists are vermin

@MarkHulkalo same way OBL is a muslim I guess.

Ohnana

Christian terrorism

Christian terrorism comprises terrorist acts by groups or individuals who profess Christian motivations or goals. == HistoricalEdit == === Gunpowder PlotEdit === The early modern period in Britain saw religious conflict resulting from the Reformation and the introduction of Protestant state churches. The 1605 Gunpowder Plot was a failed attempt by a group of English Catholics including Guy Fawkes to assassinate King James I, and to blow up the Palace of Westminster, the English seat of government. According to Vahabph D. Aghai, "The beginnings of modern terrorism can be traced back to ...

TildalWave

yes and they'll go at great length to prove that

Ohnana

edumacate

Mark Hulkalo

Regardless of religion, people will find a reason to kill

Journeyman Geek

There's hindu extremism.

Ohnana

15:02

also, check the See Also article on anti-abortion violence -- almost all christians

Journeyman Geek

Hell, there's buddist extremist monks

but its not about 'god'

Mark Hulkalo

@JourneymanGeek Yep, they've bombed a lot of places in China.

Journeyman Geek

its about people perverting religon as a font of evil

Mark Hulkalo

@Ohnana Yeah, I don't get that. I mean, if you're against abortion because it's murder, then ok, that's your choice. But going and murdering other people to protest murder? Huh?

That's nonsensical.

TildalWave

I hate that logic "all of this is His domain" and then "but not all people are His" ... WTF?

Journeyman Geek

15:03

@MarkHulkalo: those people are obviously mentally ill, and need to be put away.

Ohnana

@MarkHulkalo makes sense if you believe in the death penalty and "god's wrath" -- which is almost always fatal

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah, mental illness is a huge problem in America.

Journeyman Geek

@TildalWave: I believe if a deity has a damned problem, he/she/they ought to deal with it themselves.

Mark Hulkalo

If you admit to being mentally ill, you're ostracized. So these people can't get help

Journeyman Geek

A little lightning and loud voics go a long way.

Mark Hulkalo

15:04

If they didn't believe in God, they'd either invent one, or find some other reason to kill. "The government is after me!" etc

Journeyman Geek

yup

Mark Hulkalo

There's always a scapegoat, or a source, that people cling on to

Journeyman Geek

or reptilians

Mark Hulkalo

lol

Arperum

@MarkHulkalo Did they murder in the name of the islam? Also if you are being afraid for that reason: be very afraid near christian, christians murdered loads of people. Being afraid of someone because of his religion is stupid.

Mark Hulkalo

15:05

@Arperum I'm not afraid, my wife is.

Ohnana

@JourneymanGeek hear hear. don't create a bunch of assholes and expect them to get along without supervision

Austin Hartzheim

@Arperum I think that really depends on what part of the world you are in.

Journeyman Geek

And that's a thing

Don't dignify these people by calling them "islamic fundamentalists"

In the counties which arn't in a war, call them criminals.

in countries that are, depending on what side you are "the enemy" seems suitable, or local militia.

Arperum

@MarkHulkalo I live in Belgium, it's a sort of tiny country, it is supposed to be the source of all evil if you believe the news recently. We had six bomb alerts this morning. Half of everything big is cancelled because stupid fear. And I see no reason to be afraid.

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah, agreed

TildalWave

15:07

@JourneymanGeek Well there's always gonna be lunatics proclaiming themselves as hands of God, and taking matters into their own hands, won't they? Seems to me all this religion nonsense is just brainwashing people to be more malleable to ideas of other people. That's why I hate religion of any kind. But I absolutely don't hate faith. The difference being, one is a personal belief, the other is an institution.

Journeyman Geek

@Arperum well, these sort of incidents don't happen often cause they arn't easy.

Arperum

At least three of the bomb alerts were false alarms though, I don't know about the other three, probably fake too.

Journeyman Geek

@TildalWave but quite often people crave structure.

and well, they are lunatics

Mark Hulkalo

Doesn't change the fact that ISIS has issued a bunch of threats to attack X, Y, and Z, and are coming through with their threats in the case of France.

Journeyman Geek

by not giving the ones that exist the sort of attention they want, you cut back on the payoff

Mark Hulkalo

15:09

Most muslims are completely against ISIS

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHulkalo its essentially a police mater tho.

especially as there's a local backlash.

Mark Hulkalo

But the media fearmongering is painting all of them as extremists

Ohnana

and we have ppl advocating for a national registry

Journeyman Geek

Round em up, shoot the ones with explosive accessories, put the rest in a deep dark hole.

(even if the roman solution for this sort of problem seems appealing)

Ohnana

nothing like a common enemy to bring out the nazi in all of us

Mark Hulkalo

15:11

@Ohnana It begins...

Arperum

@MarkHulkalo Ya well, ISIS is mostly caused by Europe/US anyway. US caused a power vacuum, EU has been busy being a bunch of racist assholes, and keeping certain groups out of society, if these then turn around and attack you...

TildalWave

well that's equally wrong innit?

Arperum

You reap what you sow.

Journeyman Geek

@Ohnana IMO treating the 'good' ones bad feeds the bad ones.

Ohnana

@JourneymanGeek "IMO" -- that's not an opinion. that's a fact

Arperum

15:11

@JourneymanGeek Yes.

Ohnana

i'm scared for my muslim friends

Mark Hulkalo

Me too. I work with some great people who just want to live in peace

I'm afraid someone might try to ostracize them

TildalWave

it's just another form of forming people's opinions... we should all get to grips, not just some religious extremists, otherwise we'll all become the same

Ohnana

not only do they have to worry about some asshole jihadi deciding they're not muslimy enough, but they have to worry about some asshole skinhead deciding they're too muslimy

Mark Hulkalo

^

You nailed it

TildalWave

15:12

truth is, this world is ruled by idiots

anywhere I look

we've all got used to blaming others for our own problems because that's easier than looking hard into ourselves

Journeyman Geek

@Ohnana I don't believe in absolutes. There's many way to deal with the issues at hand. Many of them might actually be humane and intellegent.

so, its my opinion.

But I also wish we could change the narrative on these things.

Ohnana

no, i mean there's sociological evidence that shows that

we've known this for years

Journeyman Geek

"Cowardly criminal gang shoots up paris"

I still like having that cosy little demarkation.

Simon

@kalina That and Arturia MiniLab.

Mark Hulkalo

I feel bad for all the refugees who will be stuck in conflict

Journeyman Geek

15:17

lol

Mark Hulkalo

and many who will give up and just join ISIS because everyone rejected them

Journeyman Geek

My dad grew up in jaffna

So I sympathise towards refugees.

Mark Hulkalo

I sympathize with anyone in a situation they don't want to be in, but which they're forced to by nutjobs

Simon

^

Mark Hulkalo

I dislike the notion of hurting or oppressing anyone

Simon

15:22

@kalina I think I'd enjoy a hardware drum machine.

RoraΖ

@Simon I have an electronic drumset I can sell you

Simon

@RoraΖ I'd prefer if you could sell me a TR-909.

kalina

@Simon a proper drum machine or like a launchpad?

right a proper drum machine

Simon

@kalina A proper.

RoraΖ

@Simon Well I have a drum set, so take it or leave it.

Simon

15:26

@RoraΖ I'll leave it: final answer.

RoraΖ

rolandus.com/products/td-6sw

Are you sure?

Simon

There's definitely not enough room in my apartment for this.

kalina

are you sure you need a drum machine?

RoraΖ

It takes up like 6sqft

Simon

@kalina I don't "need" one but it would be nice.

kalina

15:31

are you sure?

I don't even bother with a drum machine

don't you think it would be a good idea to get a keyboard

or some other controller

Simon

My MiniLab is a keyboard.

It's only 25 keys but 49 wouldn't fit on my desk.

I can't wait to move the fuck out.

kalina

right, yes... arturia minilab

Simon

It's a nice little keyboard, I like it.

kalina

well since you already have the TB3 have you considered the TR8?

not that I would ever recommend such a device

Rоry McCune

No Diggity Cover f. Chester See (Auto Tunes w/Flula)

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kalina

15:37

but you're already victimized yourself with the TB3

Rоry McCune

^^ he needs to get some more kit to be cool like Flula

Simon

@kalina Yeah...

And it lags A LOT with Logic.

kalina

what do you mean by "lags"

Simon

It responses well for the first few minutes and then there's a good 1-2 second delay.

If I unplug/re-plug it, it's fine.

kalina

and you blame the device for this?

Simon

15:40

Well, my MiniLab never had any delay but yes it could be Logic.

korg.com/caen/products/dj/volca_keys

This little donut looks like but I feel like it lacks parameters to control.

"VCO Wave: Sawtooth, Square"

That's it?

kalina

alesis sr18 is probably in your price range

Rory Alsop

Simon

No knobs? How would I manage to feel good while using it?

5

Rory Alsop

Wow - what a great certificate of quality

kalina

well fine, get a dsi tempest then

Simon

15:43

@kalina Way too damn expensive.

But yes, it would be the ultimate drum machine to own.

kalina

so don't get a drum machine

Simon

QQ I wanna purchase a new toy.

Mark Hulkalo

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Q: Employee laptops in China

I recently took a business trip to China. Our IT department told me I could not take my normal machine, and instead gave me a loaner. This loaner had MS Outlook and was linked to my normal company e-mail account. I logged into the corporate network using the same VPN and token (Mobile Pass on ...

Rоry McCune

@Simon get a drone

Simon

@RоryMcCune I don't wanna be that guy.

Rоry McCune

15:45

@Simon what guy?

Mark Hulkalo

Drones are awesome!

Seriously, get a drone with a huge range.

kalina

@Simon have you made any progress on arrangements yet?

Simon

@kalina Yes.

kalina

have you had a release yet?

Simon

pls

kalina

15:47

...

what do you mean pls

it's been like 9 months already

ok how close are you to finishing a full arrangement?

Simon

@kalina How long would be a full arrangement to you?

My ween long or like 2 minutes?

kalina

...

neither of which would be a full arrangement

both are far too short

Simon

o

kalina

dance music? like 6 minutes

Simon

SIX?!?!?!?

kalina

15:48

5 minimum

Simon

Ask me again in a month.

Rоry McCune

@Simon yeah it's a song not a ringtone

Ohnana

fckin noob 14 minute long songs come up on my pandora

kalina

are you serious

Ohnana

get on my level

kalina

15:49

all this grief you give me and I'm only trying to help

Simon

@kalina I'M SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME ON USELESS PARAMETERS

kalina

I've been strongly suggesting you spend time on arrangements for months.

Simon

I know but I've had time to trash projects during those months.

The good ol' case of rage quitting.

kalina

well you need to set fire to yourself

Simon

But that would hurt.

kalina

15:51

there is far more to being successful in the music industry than being able to write tracks, or being an awesome sound designer, or having creative vision, or being able to mix a track down, or mastering...

and you're still bumbling around on the sitting in front of a PC and achieving anything at all phase

spending large quantities of monies on hardware isn't going to boost you through it at all

Rоry McCune

geez @Simon get with the programme

Simon

@RоryMcCune Kamikaze Space Program? Good producer.

kalina

you'll just end up a with a bunch of reasonable to nice hardware that never gets used for its intended purpose

Rоry McCune

@Simon nonono, they hey simon write the darn track programme

Simon

@kalina I know but I haven't bought anything big in a while and I feel like some sort of woman who has to shop for a new purse.

Ohnana

15:54

@Simon resist the urge

Simon

@Ohnana Yeah, I should.

Rоry McCune

@Simon you need a deadline that you've committed too publicly, that's what works for me with presentations. I know that on day x I have to stand-up and present to over 100 people, focuses the mind on making it happen

Simon

Christmas is coming up too so that'll cost some monies.

Ohnana

seriously, new shinies become old shinies and the cycle repeats

@RоryMcCune lmao motivation by starvation

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana fear of looking like a muppet on stage is a great motivation

M'vy

15:55

9 months already ? you're late on delivery

Simon

@RоryMcCune I don't think that setting a deadline would be the best way to learn though

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune yip yip yip security yip yip

Rоry McCune

my next one is a presentation for up to 200 professional smart-arses (aka pen testers) so it'll need to be good

Simon

But at this point, it might be because it would make me spend less time on mastering or subtle fx at the early stage.

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune i wouldn't mind helping you review it

seeing as i'm in the target audience

Rоry McCune

15:56

@Simon a decent plan delivered soon is better than a perfect plan delivered never

@Ohnana ta, I'll ping you once I've got some more stuff down for it :)

Simon

@RоryMcCune Yeah I've heard a similar quote recently: "You know what's better than perfect? Done."

Mark Hulkalo

Yeah, a lot of pen testers/security guys miss a few things on their reports, but usually get the gist of it.

@RоryMcCune So I agree.

Rоry McCune

@Simon it's true, nothing is perfect and you don't really learn till you try delivering something, there's nothing to stop you taking lessons from the first one to the next one.. and it's not like there's a limited number of tracks you can make

when you get to @kalina like levels of getting paid lots of cash for tracks, you can focus on endless polishing

Simon

Maybe I should just give up and do the pls dance.

Mark Hulkalo

@Simon What are you presenting?

Rоry McCune

16:00

@Simon nah don't give up if you enjoy doing it

Simon

@MarkHulkalo My ween.

Rоry McCune

@MarkHulkalo he's not presenting he's meant to be writing music

you know who said it best???? Shia

Mark Hulkalo

Oh, nice

Rоry McCune

Shia LaBeouf "Just Do It" Motivational Speech (Original Video)

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Mark Hulkalo

JUST DO IT

Simon

16:01

I don't like that video, he yells at me.

Shia pls

Rоry McCune

@Simon he'll stop once you get a track done

Simon

No he won't.

He's an abusive individual.

Rоry McCune

@Simon well he is an actual cannibal

Simon

o

Rоry McCune

@Simon did you not know about that?

Simon

16:03

wat

Rоry McCune

"Shia LaBeouf" Live - Rob Cantor

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^ you need to watch that

it has the whole story

Simon

Can I just listen to it?

Rоry McCune

@Simon yeah , although the visuals are cool

the audio does the trick

Simon

It doesn't explain much though, they just say that he's catch you and eat you.

Rоry McCune

@Simon you haven't finished it yet

kalina

16:06

@Simon well you could resist or buy something else

Simon

@kalina Yeah I'm gonna do that.

BOOOOOOOOOOO.

Stacking up monies suck.

@RоryMcCune IT DIDN'T EXPLAIN ANYTHING.

kalina

@Simon no but every task you undertake in life works better with some planning and clear objectives that can be objectively assessed

Rоry McCune

@Simon yeah I know but still a good song+video :)

Simon

o^2

kalina

@Simon yes, I used to get caught up in mixing down and would bang out multiple exports that could all be mastered fine but sounded different and after a while it's literally a case that the difference between your best attempt and your first attempt isn't big enough to justify all of the extra time you spent on it

@RоryMcCune I don't focus on endless polishing

Simon

16:09

Not even with weens?

Rоry McCune

@kalina I know but I was suggesting that it would be more justified and the kind of level you work at (where someone is paying for the track) as opposed to where @Simon is trying to put out a first track

kalina

@Simon seriously? I was enjoying having a serious conversation for a change

Simon

soz

kalina

@RоryMcCune playing around is one thing because you can learn new techniques and come up with new sounds

making tiny incremental tweaks to a kick drum when your entire track consists of a kick drum is not playing around

until you know what is going to be in a track, you can't start taking stuff away

write the full arrangement with all your sounds completely untouched and then once you have too much in the track and the writing part of the arrangement is "finished" you can start taking stuff away

Simon

all am soz

Rory Alsop

16:27

Thomas is the authoritative feed :-) — Rory Alsop ♦ 22 secs ago

lol

@ThomasPornin - I had to ^

Simon

16:49

@RoryAlsop You got rekt but the "Bear effect" in that question.

You were leading and now he has one more upvote than you.

kalina

* sympathy upvote *

Mark Hulkalo

:)

Rory Alsop

I may just be an old fogey, but I still don't understand the syntax rules around the verb "rekt." Can you please clarify

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop it's similar to pwned

kalina

@RoryAlsop anywhere you'd use "wrecked"

Rоry McCune

16:57

@kalina I thought it was more pejorative than wrecked is (which to me just means drunk)

rekt implies defeated or embarrased

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune see also: got told, got schooled, "wasted" from gta5

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana yeah so like pwned

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune "see also"

Rory Alsop

Ahh - in which case the problem was with @Simon's use of "but." Should have been "by"

Rоry McCune

ahh I see, according to the oxford urban dictionary, "Wrecked" no longer seems to imply just straight drunkeness

@RoryAlsop indeed, @Simon just can't type

Rory Alsop

16:59

Does it not imply, "foundered"

I read rekt like a Cornwall-coast scuppering of a smuggler's vessel.

A la Famous Five

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah there's a limited amount of nautical reference in there, unless you've just seen someone crash their boat at which point they would be #rekt in both senses of the word :)

Mark Hulkalo

17:26

@RоryMcCune How does an old fogey know all the latest hip internet speak?!

Rоry McCune

@MarkHulkalo I spend faaar faar farrr too much time on the Internet

also I get lessons from certified "young people"(tm) like @Ohnana and @Simon

Mark Hulkalo

Haha

Rоry McCune

although I think @Simon is getting a bit old for that moniker these days

Ohnana

i can't drink yet in my country of residence!

Mark Hulkalo

@Ohnana Me neither.

Ohnana

17:27

cool!

Mark Hulkalo

Because I refuse to touch the stuff!

Ohnana

oh.

Rоry McCune

@MarkHulkalo so really s/can't/won't/

Mark Hulkalo

A little bit of both

I just feel like I can't

Simon

@RoryAlsop SOZ

@MarkHulkalo You suck.

Mark Hulkalo

17:33

I agree

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/mad-mad-world/…

lmfao

Rory Alsop

17:51

2

Simon

@@@

Rory Alsop

@Simon - new Simon has swipe function!

Just been in toy shop

Sorry, haven't bought or for you #baddad

Simon

Hehehe.

TildalWave

@MarkHulkalo it goes both ways you know?

like, don't write on a package "gift" if you're sending it to Germany :)

Mark Hulkalo

What does "gift" mean in Germanynese?

Germanese*

TildalWave

17:56

poison

Mark Hulkalo

@TildalWave I'd like to send you some gifts...

If true, that's pretty funny.

TildalWave

yeah unfortunately plural works often the same in German as it does in English

Mark Hulkalo

Learning other languages exposes you to funny differences. Like every time I see a Senate Bill, I try not to laugh

Because they abbreviate it with "SB"

And in Chinese, "SB" means... well, NSFW.

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