The DMZ

David Freitag

01:37

@Lighty That looks like my first prototype

The one I have now is made with concrete and braided steel fibers. I melt iron with it.

lady.donut

ibtimes.co.uk/…

ok i'm switching back to cyanogen

David Freitag

@lady.donut I'm running Bliss which is admittedly a cyan derivative, but it's sooooooo good

It's based on 12.1 too

@lady.donut forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/development/…

Simon

Scumbag donut wants me to flash her a new ROM, gives me her device at 22% battery.

TSK TSK.

lady.donut

looks nice, though I don't know if I would really take advantage of all the features

David Freitag

@lady.donut Well, me either

lady.donut

01:49

@Simon make yourself useful

David Freitag

@Simon You got dat TWRP?

Also. MMMMMMMMMMMMM TAAAAACOOOOOOOOS!

lady.donut

@DavidFreitag I just want something that's not so buggy and unstable -.-

David Freitag

@lady.donut I haven't had a single issue. It really is fantastic

Been using it about two maybe three weeks now

Simon

@DavidFreitag Yes, I installed it to flash OxygenOS.

So I'm gonna use it to flash CM 12.1 now.

David Freitag

@Simon Is that what she's been using? Eugh...

lady.donut

01:51

oxygenOS pukes

Simon

@DavidFreitag Yuuuuuup.

David Freitag

Bliss makes Oxygen look like Windows Vista

lady.donut

it's crap

Simon

I didn't expect the CM zip to be 645 MB.

Back in my days, I'm pretty sure those ROM used to be smaller.

David Freitag

Why that sounds right...

Simon

01:53

Last time I flashed something, it was CM7.

David Freitag

lol

Simon

I'm really happy to own a Nexus 5.

I'm done with all this ROM stuff.

David Freitag

I got my 5X this afternoon

lady.donut

I want the 6P next

Simon

How is it?

David Freitag

01:55

Unfortunately the reviews I read were pretty much spot on

Simon

Which are?

Oh wow, the Oxygen OS zip is still on her device, it was 715 MB.

That's a lot for a failed OS.

David Freitag

It's very light (in comparison to the 5 and the opo), it feels plastic-ey and frankly cheap

Simon

Oh.

David Freitag

But I haven't turned it on yet

Waiting for my Fi sim to arrive as well

I spilled a little of my taco sauce on the floor and it's currently melting a hole to china

Simon

lulz

Android File Transfer is just the worst on OS X.

lady.donut

02:00

@DavidFreitag it's that hot?!

David Freitag

@lady.donut Yeah I made it with a large helping of cayenne, cumin, oregano, onion powder, and chili powder. It's also got homemade salsa with chilies in it from my buddy's garden. Oh and just a dash of ghost chili salt.

@Simon We all know that has nothing to do with Android, though.

lady.donut

@DavidFreitag god damn 10/10 would not try x.x

Simon

@DavidFreitag Absolutely, it's the app that sucks balls.

Man, it took literally 30 seconds to install CM, 1 second to root it.

David Freitag

@lady.donut Oh god it's soooooo good

Simon

\o/

David Freitag

02:04

Bliss comes pre-rooted

lady.donut

@DavidFreitag i bet it is but my stomach would hate me for it

Simon

She won't even need the root, I probably shouldn't have done it.

But, whatevs.

David Freitag

@lady.donut Mine is currently melting from the inside I think

Also, Bliss comes with no bloatware, CM does.

Simon

Really?

David Freitag

Not a ton, but there are a few system apps that can't be removed unless you root

Simon

02:06

Oh, I'm glad that I did it then.

I'll check it out once it's done optimizing dem apps.

David Freitag

Yeah just get a root uninstaller and nuke 'em

Simon

Android: takes 30 seconds to flash a ROM, 5 minutes to optimize the apps.

lady.donut

@DavidFreitag lulz good luck with that!

David Freitag

@lady.donut Honestly there is like the smallest hint of ghost chili salt in there, it's mostly for bragging rights and not for flavor.

Simon

OPTIMIZE FASTER YOU MONG STOBBLER

David Freitag

02:08

Lollipop takes an eternity to optimize

If you install Bliss with minimal GApps it only takes a minute or two

Simon

CM 12.1 has 131 apps

That's a lot.

David Freitag

I think Bliss had 97

Simon

"Unfortunately, Setup Wizard has stopped."

David Freitag

LOL

Simon

Sigh.

Oh I got farther this time, it asks for Wi-Fi.

David Freitag

02:10

herp derp

Simon

I'm glad that I get to select an access point named "#yolo".

David Freitag

I'm genuinely surprised it's not #MahWeen

Simon

I'd rather keep it somewhat clean.

David Freitag

You broadcast your SSID? Tsk Tsk

Simon

Yeah, I'm like "Come at me, bro!".

David Freitag

02:13

Or Bill Wi The Science Fi

Simon

Oh wow, the theme is not bad at all.

wat, I gotta install an incremental now?

WHY DIDN'T I DOWNLOAD THAT IMAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE INSTEAD?

plssssss

I wanna go to bed at some point.

David Freitag

Fucking ad videos that autoplay

Simon

Noooooo, it boots to TWRP when I try to do the incremental instead of installing it.

David Freitag

So just install it from TWRP..

Simon

Where is it located on the device though?

David Freitag

02:22

Wherever you put it...

Simon

I didn't select anything, the device downloaded it automatically.

David Freitag

That link she posted said manual install

Simon

Even for the god damn incremental?

That's another 300 MB!!!!!!!!!!!!

David Freitag

@Simon You bitch and moan a lot.

2

Doesn't he @lady.donut

lady.donut

@DavidFreitag I can't deny it, he does.

Simon

02:29

Well, I did say that I no longer like to do this.

David Freitag

Who actually enjoyed the process of flashing roms?

Simon

I did back when I got my first Android device.

David Freitag

thats only because it was something new

Simon

The fact that it takes about 5 minutes to download a 300 MB file is what pisses me off the most.

#canaduh

David Freitag

lol

It takes me a few seconds to do that

Simon

02:36

le fu-

David Freitag

No wonder why you were moaning about 300MB

Simon

Yep.

Simon

02:52

This incremental update doesn't work at all.

NIGHT TIME.

David Freitag

03:22

3

Stack Exchange

04:04

After meeting with a few of the subjects, the IRB actually recommended that you stop stressing out so much about safety guidelines.

Freedo

05:30

Guys

how do you guys manage using keepass with a key file while keeping it safe, and able to use keepass on PC and phones ?

i'm trying to figure this out but so far can't think on anything

AviD

06:40

@Simon pls, I dont speak stupid.

Idiot maybe, but not stupid.

@DavidFreitag only difference that makes is for scriptkiddies. Well, those that arent able to find the right script to find an unbroadcast SSID...

@Freedo the keepass db file you can share via some clouddrive, eg googledrive, onedrive, or even dropbox. (how are they even still a company??)

the key file is trickier - you need to distribute that manually, in a controlled environment.

but it's just the once...

M'vy

07:11

heya

Morning

AviD

> some (not all) long term members appearing to have formed a sycophantic, back slapping club in the form of an internet based clique and this place can appear unfriendly, especially when clique members and want to be members descend on dissenting voices in borg like fashion to ensure to themselves and others that they are in fact superior and beyond question or infallibility.

I think he means us.

M'vy

wuuuut

> The thing is, there are lots of very intelligent, well informed people here, very credible people who can provide a great deal of insight on information security related topics and when it comes down to it, that is the only thing that counts.

Is he still talking about us ?

Well. Less talking, more coffee.

AviD

@M'vy I think he is talking about @ThomasPornin, @TomLeek, and @DW.

user122738

michael.richter.name/blogs/…

AviD

blabla, old post that has been mentioned often, and rebuffed almost as often.

"I DONT KNOW HOW THE INTERNET WORKS BUT I HATE IT ANYWAY"

"ALSO THIS SITE IS BROKEN BECAUSE I MISUSE IT"

user122738

07:22

Yes, he talked about 3 reasons: poor community whereas we have great members that i want to thank even when they ask a question or comment. He complained about non rich and long answers: but lot of questions do not need long answers and any person can lead by example by giving a detailed long answer when needed (as i did once).

user122738

And most of the people who agreed with him (believe me, i read all the commentators last night) they complained about downvoting or rude comments they received or unfair suspensions which lead them to stop contributing ... rather childish reasons.

AviD

"People focus on the wrong rewards and behave pettily to each other. I know, because I am proof!"

"And the more experienced users are all cranky because of people like me! How rude!"

this quote "StackOverflow was once fun. It is no longer. " is really the only valid reasoning there.

you dont enjoy it anymore, for whatever your own personal reasons? Fine, of course you are welcome to leave. But dont pretend that your own personal reasons are anything but.

CodesInChaos

For me SO is no longer fun because I don't find the interesting questions in the sea of boring questions.

AviD

@CodesInChaos I agree with you on that.

which leads to an attitude of locking down the scope and the quality level, shunning the crap. Which in turn leads to the above ranting about authoritativeness and pettiness.

user122738

@CodesInChaos it is good to have a space where both professionals and beginners can talk. I see it as a positive thing even if experts may be bored sometimes they can meet useful posts from their colleagues (just on this website there are unanswered questions of professionals)

AviD

07:33

oo speaking of which, I just realized I should be getting the swag from the SO10M contests soon! yay!

user122738

I have to leave, have a nice day all of you

AviD

@Begueradj I completely agree. the problem is that beginners (as a group) tend to ask the same question, over and over and over again, with very little (if any) variability. They also (apparetly, but it could just be the law of numbers) prefer to ask it again as if it is an original and difficult problem, instead of scrolling down 6 lines and finding a comprehensive answer to their exact precise question.

Journeyman Geek

@AviD @AviD: Someone did that on SU

I asked him for examples..

not seen that yet

AviD

@JourneymanGeek did what?

Journeyman Geek

-2

A: First ever Contribution deleted?

Maybe you were expecting a more friendly and ready to help community here because you thought it would be similar to StackOverflow. Think again... Most 'answers' or 'constructive feedback' are aimed at arguing against what you are trying to do or the way in which you have written your question ra...

complained about the community, bitched about cliquishness

AviD

07:39

I DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE REPLYING TO IF YOU DONT USE THE REPLY FUCNTION

Journeyman Geek

I was looking for the post ;p

oh, the reply function ;p

do do dooo

Oh, I did... (a few seconds ago)

AviD

ahhh

but I think that quote was referring to the DMZ, specifically.

Journeyman Geek

lol

this happens everywhere

cause its easier to rail at the dark, than to turn on the lights.

AviD

you only adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it.

I didn't see the light, until I was already a man.

It doesnt matter who we are, what matters is our plan.

Journeyman Geek

>_>

That almost sounds like The Dark Knight Rises...

AviD

07:49

"almost"?

M'vy

It's missing a loud voice

AviD

not the way I typed it.

Journeyman Geek

Pretty sure that you mixed up two scenes ;p

AviD

well, you didnt recognize the first 2 lines, so I had to give you the clue.

Journeyman Geek

(I'm half certain I mangled song lyrics)

ahh

I did

metrolyrics.com/last-ride-of-the-day-lyrics-nightwish.html

" It's hard to light a candle, easy to curse the dark instead"

TildalWave

07:55

@AviD where do I remember that nick from?

ah he/she was here

AviD

@TildalWave probably that question.

TildalWave

no no from DMZ

that line is a bit harsh tho, especially since any properly informed person would have known that we never agree on anything, ain't that right?

Journeyman Geek

;p

TildalWave

take for example @Simon, I mean, the only reason he's not suspended is because we can't agree how many centuries he should be suspended for

Journeyman Geek

@TildalWave that's amazingly true of most friendly chat rooms.

AviD

08:00

@TildalWave sure, but we do all jump on the dogpile together.

TildalWave

that's not true, but only goes to prove that I disagree even with myself :P

@AviD sure, but that's because it's fun

if it was more fun to disagree with you that's what I'd do then

AviD

you should tell @CodesInChaos that the only real fun left on SE is jumping on innocent newbs.

Journeyman Geek

@AviD: but... they go squish

CodesInChaos

@AviD Reminds me of a quip about an MMO. That the only endgame contents are aimlessly running around in cities and killing noob players.

TildalWave

@AviD I thought that we were just educating them hands on :)

anyway, I guess what I wanted to say was that if I was seeking approval, this would be pretty much the last place I'd find it

AviD

08:06

@TildalWave I approve of this message.

TildalWave

touche

AviD

TildalWave

hahaha nice one

Journeyman Geek

@AviD Wait. YOU AGREED WITH HIM. TRAITOR.

AviD

@JourneymanGeek yes, thus proving him wrong.

TildalWave

08:11

he only agreed to disagree tho

Journeyman Geek

oh. Ok.

Rоry McCune

08:49

Morning All

Active in here today!

deed02392

sup @RоryMcCune

you've got the fancy 'o' again

Rоry McCune

09:24

@deed02392 gotta have the fancy o

to avoid the pingers

although that said, the elder rory isn't around so much at the moment

so it's less of a problem.

M'vy

09:41

Hey @RоryMcCune!

not so early today

Rоry McCune

09:53

@M'vy watcha' a late start for you indeed!

M'vy

:))

Lighty

10:50

Anyone want the game Resident Evil 4 for Steam? I got a spare code and friends who already have it.

deed02392

i think you switched bak to a normal o for a while

AviD

@Lighty I think I might have that already, anyway I dont really get a lot of time to play.

@Lighty so thanks anway. On the other hand I went ahead and helped you fix your profile description.

I decided to play it straight, and not give you the shaming you so rightfully earned.

Lighty

@AviD Regular profile or Chat profile? because I haven't looked at either for like, more than a year

AviD

@Lighty chat

Lighty

oh, I see what you did there.

AviD

10:54

if it makes you feel better, I havent looked at your profile either.

it was coincidental.

Lighty

oh, it's not a complete mess, that's a relief

Arperum

11:05

@Lighty Hey! Haven't seen you in quite some time!

Lighty

@Arperum I get that alot :P

How have you been?

Arperum

Mostly good.

Simon

11:17

ovid you deleted something you said about me 3 hours ago you donut

Did you break your own rule again?

AviD

I dont think it was about you

@Simon also, you know that doesnt ping me when you do that, right?

Simon

Yes, which means that it doesn't matter much if you read or doesn't read it.

Rоry McCune

@Simon s/doesn\'t/don\'t/

Simon

WHOOPSIES

Morning language failure.

158

A: Make your language unusable

JavaScript Shell This will make the language completely unusable. clear(this); Isn't it nice how JavaScript has such a nice function to destroy itself? This is pretty simple, the clear function completely empty an object. this refers to the global object clearing out everything including ...

Oh, JS.

deed02392

haha

that's great @Simon

Simon

12:34

Dude posts this answer:

-1

A: What causes a copy/paste in terminal to sometimes execute the command?

What triggers this behavior? The newline character.

Click on his profile, read the first line: "I'm a minimalist..."

No shit Broski.

Rоry McCune

@Simon well, he is technically correct

which, as we know, is the best kind of correct

Simon

Yes but it should be a comment.

Rоry McCune

@Simon but where are the sweet sweet internet points for that?

RoraΖ

@Simon I +1'ed. Sometimes you don't need a paragraph when you can state 3 words.

Simon

@RoraΖ Yes, but I'm a big fan of a short and sweet version and TL;DR one.

RoraΖ

12:45

Eh, in all honesty I don't know how the accepted answer got that long.

I don't think a TLDR is warranted

Rоry McCune

@Simon hey hey better not let your donut hear that

Simon

pls

Simon

12:58

@DavidFreitag pls, why would choosing a UNIX-based OS with a decent interface and stability make you an idiot?

AviD

@Simon oh don't worry your little head about it.

Simon

I'm waiting for an actual argument, ovid.

@ThomasPornin has a Mac at home, are you saying that the man is an idiot?

(I could have said that I do too but that would have had backfired).

Thomas Pornin

@Simon I use a Mac and a Linux-based PC. I also have a life.

Simon

@ThomasPornin Hey, me too for all those things!

CodesInChaos

As a physicist I think Apples are pretty useful. For studying gravity.

AviD

13:04

@CodesInChaos and for shooting arrows into.

Simon

ovid, where's the argument?

I'm still waiting.

AviD

@Simon you're the one doing all the arguing.

Simon

I knew I wouldn't get anything from you.

AviD

no, that was too cruel.

@RоryMcCune roro you need to reset the timer.

Rоry McCune

I was just thinking that :op

AviD

13:07

heh.

Rоry McCune

@AviD last rule incursion 14:06 23/10/2015 GMT, previous rule incursion 14:00 22/10/2015 GMT

3

so far it seems like 14:00 is your danger time!

AviD

@RоryMcCune hehe

Nothing good happens after 2 PM ?

Simon

I guess that allows me to mention my ween a few times.

AviD

oh damn, ftr I was planning on editing that into something particularly fun.

Rоry McCune

heh, one w word... one kick :op

AviD

13:10

it looks like my subconscious knew better and autodeleted it.

why is there no undelete??

Simon

ABUSE

Rоry McCune

@Simon of course not, I'm just implementing a previously agreed deal

that you and I agreed

Simon

@kalina Mods are allowed to break their own rules without consequences but as soon as I do it, I get... ABUSED!

(That'll lure her back in)

Rоry McCune

Simon

Rоry McCune

13:13

yeah it really is terrible to see this mod-abuse, if only @kalina were hear to set them straight, I'm sure if would get sorted out

however without @kalina , I'm afraid it'll go unpunished!

AviD

@Simon not without consequences, in my case I had my message deleted by a mod. In your case, your message was... deleted... by a mod...

Simon

You deleted your own message?

That's like if you'd slap your own ass for being a bad boi.

AviD

13:27

@Simon or for being a good one.

here's the thing, though - deleting your message is not abuse, nor is it punishment.

It is simply achieving the proper state of the universe, that is, without the offending messages (mine included).

I am sometimes smart enough to be aware of this on my own, hopefully not long after typing such a message, and delete it promptly.

Journeyman Geek

sigh

AviD

However, in your case, I cannot make such an assumption, and I help you by deleting it for you.

Journeyman Geek

Such a lack of artistry...

AviD

Whew, that was a long drawn out insult!

on the other hand, @Simon if I didnt delete those messages, I would re-craft them into something fun, entertaining, and hopefully educational to you.

Simon

@ThomasPornin What's the closest English word of "brimer"?

Journeyman Geek

13:30

@AviD: a cluebat?

Simon

I'd rather something more poetic than "to victimize".

AviD

@JourneymanGeek basically.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon mmh... something between "oppress" and "bully", I think

Simon

Oppress is probably the closest, yes.

Rоry McCune

Simon

13:34

Where did I hear this exact quote?

Rоry McCune

@Simon Monty Python and the Holy Grail

and then as with all things Python, it gets re-quoted alot

Simon

I'm sure it has been referenced elsewhere too.

Mhm.

Rоry McCune

yeah from the original sure

speaking of Python hey @TerryChia did I tell you we've got a well known Python Dev in Lochgoilhead

dude who made PyQT

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Cool. Sadly I don't do GUI stuff. :P

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia we have a lot of techies for such a small village

Terry Chia

13:37

So, GW2 just had the smoothest expansion launch ever.

Simon

Good thing that you have the only person who knows/has played GW on ignore here.

M'vy

@TerryChia ohhh it's out ?

Terry Chia

@M'vy Yup.

Servers basically stayed up the entire time just like the original launch. Really impressive stuff from their ops team.

AviD

@TerryChia wut, now "servers staying up" for more than a few minutes at a time is now "really impressive stuff"??

Terry Chia

@AviD Compared to almost every other MMO including the big name Blizzard? Yes.

AviD

13:42

"You should buy our product, it actually even works! Most of the time!"

Rоry McCune

@AviD sounds like most of the software industry

AviD

hmm, I think winamp actually did put something similar on their marketing.

Terry Chia

Pretty sure battle.net crashed almost the entire first day of D3s launch.

AviD

@RоryMcCune nah, they would never say that

@TerryChia in this day and age, I think THAT is the more impressive.

Rоry McCune

@AviD well they would say that and then bury "but if it doesn't it's not our fault, you don't own this software and we have no liability if it blows up and kills your dog" in the license agreement

Terry Chia

13:44

@AviD You don't play much online games do you?

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia s/much/many/

AviD

@RоryMcCune quick, get Jeremiah on that.

@RоryMcCune no, he meant "much" as in time, not number of games.

and not really, to both :-(

Rоry McCune

@AviD that would be "you don't spend much time playing online games"

RoraΖ

Is it beer o'clock yet?

Simon

pls roroz

AviD

13:45

@RoraΖ it's always beer oclock.

RoraΖ

Why don't I have a beer?

AviD

speaking of which, it is time for me to bid you all adieu.

Gentlemen. @Simon.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia hey I QA a lot of reports, it has an.... effect ... on you after a while

M'vy

@RoraΖ cause you drank the last?

Simon

@AviD Go jump off a donut while you're at it.

M'vy

13:46

@AviD Adieu

AviD

@Simon hey man, its the bro code, I aint touching your donut.

Rоry McCune

@AviD l8rs

Simon

a

A

RoraΖ

@M'vy Damn it, that happens a lot

Journeyman Geek

I'm pondering shaming someone for bad security practices.

AviD

13:59

DOOOO EEEEET

RoraΖ

@JourneymanGeek What's the bad security practice?

Journeyman Geek

running everything as root.

RoraΖ

@JourneymanGeek How else can you install programs and check email at the same time?

Journeyman Geek

@RoraΖ: rm -rf /

oops...

;p

RoraΖ

That only works if you do rm -rf /*

See watch. roraz has signed off

Ohnana

16:26

@JourneymanGeek slap them publicly

people will understand

Thomas Pornin

16:59

@JourneymanGeek Honestly, running everything as root is not that bad.

The problem of rm -rf /* is not that the guy is doing it as root; the problem is that the user does not know what he is doing.

RoraΖ

Laying the smack down

No, it is not "encrypted with the private key". This is a flawed analogy that does not work for algorithms other than RSA, and, when looked at closely, does not work for RSA either. It is an old way of explaining signatures that, in practice, spreads more confusion than enlightenment. — Tom Leek 3 mins ago

David Freitag

17:30

@AviD Okay, sure that's a fair point. But when in doubt I don't want to make my presence known to the proletariat.

@Simon Correct, that wouldn't make you an idiot. Which is why using OS X isn't classified under what you said.

Ohnana

lol osx is the fucked up baby between bsd and a fisher price toy

David Freitag

@Simon From me probably

Iszi

18:03

One of them days. Sent this...

Really wanted to send this...

3

Ohnana

lmao

RoraΖ

18:14

@Iszi Damn I need to send that to people

oh man @Lighty correcting grammar

security.stackexchange.com/posts/103507/revisions

Seems to be improved!

Simon

@RoraΖ I don't believe it.

Rоry McCune

@Simon it's part of the @kalina alt leaking over into the @Lighty alt

David Freitag

@Simon Impossibru

Lighty

18:55

Thanks, I guess

RoraΖ

19:38

@Lighty I didn't mean anything bad. I like that your edits have improved.

Lighty

I know it wasn't meant bad xD

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