The DMZ

Freedo

05:12

thats new to me

Rоry McCune

07:28

mornin' All

@kalina thought you'd like this game... indiegogo.com/projects/them-s-fightin-herds#/story

AviD

thassfunnnyyyy

kalina

07:51

@RоryMcCune I'm sorry I can't click a link that has been shared in here due to Simon

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Rоry McCune

Them's Fightin' Herds - Raw Gameplay video

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It's an indiegogo campaign for an MLP inspired fighting game

kalina

not the first time that's happened

the first attempt was My Little Pony: Fighting is Magic

Rоry McCune

this is the same team I think

kalina

which got legal pressure to not do that

Rоry McCune

yeah that's why they're doing this

kalina

07:53

and then the creater of FIM (Lauren Faust) went and drew them some new ponies to use

Journeyman Geek

its the same game

different name

kalina

right so, in that case, "OLD"

Rоry McCune

except now they want/need $450k to write the game

kalina

if I played fighting games, which I don't, I would be interested, which I'm not

also I've learned never to kickstart anything

EVER

even if it's on a non-kickstarter site

that's like, highway to the danger zone

Rоry McCune

@kalina indiegogo is worse than kickstarter

almost as bad as gofundme

they do almost no (from what I can see) validation that campaigns aren't scams

not that I think that this one is necessarily

but I just generally don't trust indiegogo

kalina

08:06

I trust websites that take my money less and less over time

Arperum

I've backed two kickstarter campaigns, one of them is progressing.No clue if stuff is delayed or not, I haven't payed enough attention to check that. The other is still running.

kalina

I thought it was a good idea tbh, but it spawned an entire new section of the gaming industry where people now sell you ideas that will never be completed rather than actual games

basically killed gaming for me

Arperum

And it's from a company that already completed two earlier kickstarter campaigns. I think I invested $45 over the two projects.

Rоry McCune

there's a load of projects on crowfunding sites that are either deliberate scams or just cases of real naivety about the complexity of the task at hand (viz most hardware campaigns). I only back if I already know the company at hand, they have a track record of good delivery and I want the product to happen enough

kalina

I will wait until they release a working product and then buy it if I like it

rather than buy their wishlist and have them cut half of it at a later date

Arperum

08:12

@RоryMcCune Yes, that first one I backed is a game that looks awesome, or at least did when I looked at it.

kalina

I spend enough money on my own random speculations to not need to waste more on other people's

Arperum

And the second one I backed yesterday I want to happen so much. Because Blind Guardian is involved with music.

It doesn't feel like too big a risk, firstly because it's not that much money, secondly, because they already delivered on two other games they kickstarted.

I waste more money on stupid things, I can handle wasting this bit of money. And if I get something out of it, great.

kalina

yeah... it's the "if" you get something out of it part

I need to get myself sponsored by Native Instruments or something, the amount of money I keep throwing at them

Arperum

Well, yes, that's why I only spend money I can live without, it's a risk, not a certainty.

It's just like playing the lottery, I do that every once in a blue moon, just for fun with a couple euros I have available for entertaining myself.

kalina

I've never played the lottery

or gambled in any fashion that was labelled as "gambling"

(obviously discounting the early kickstarters I did)

anyway this discussion about internet gambling is boring now

Arperum

08:22

The total capital I've spend on gambling (including kickstarter) is < €60 euros, so nothing spectacular.

Journeyman Geek

lol

45 usd in my case. I've got a second kickstarter I backed, but its a schlock mercenary one and almost certain to deliver

kalina

I guess it's just me who was the sucker who paid for alpha access to Elite, played alpha, quit the game, never played retail

I shall get a hat that says dunce on it

via kickstarter

and then never receive it

Rоry McCune

@kalina you not even going to go back once they have planetary landings and VR support?

kalina

08:40

nah, cba with it

Rоry McCune

@kalina I'm waiting to see what the Motion sickness problems are like with the launched VR products once they come out

I'm a bit prone to that, so not going to waste cash on something that just makes me ill. I can go watch reality TV for free if I want that experience.

kalina

I find by having less time available than the the time required to do the things you have to do, makes you both appreciate the time you do get off and more particular about how you spend your time off

Journeyman Geek

Lol

@RоryMcCune or for it to be common enough to try before you buy?

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek yeah I'd need to have a decent shot. I had a quick go on an Oculus Rift DK1 and that made me feel ill, so definitely waiting and seeing

Rory Alsop

09:13

@kalina I was the sucker who bought the early beta and the whizzy joystick @Rоry recommended and never managed to enter a station...

AviD

wow @RоryMcCune reviewing the submitted proposals for AppSecIL talks - a few are really great, most are plain awesome.

having a hard time choosing!

Rory Alsop

Choose all the talks

Rоry McCune

@AviD it's a nice problem to have!

AviD

hehe

would need like 3 days for that

@RоryMcCune definitely

@RoryAlsop also having a hard time finding a keynote speaker... You interested??

Rory Alsop

I'd love to, but for two things - getting over there is a slight financial challenge, and I'm a bit boring :-)

Would people really want me to talk at them?

AviD

09:17

@RoryAlsop oh I doubt you're boring

@RoryAlsop in your thick scottish accent? Of course!

Rory Alsop

Lol

AviD

people love a good thick scottish accent

but, yes I think you would have good stuff to talk about.

our keynote last year was, umm, less than stellar.

Rory Alsop

So really the challenge is the getting there :-(

Oh, who was it?

And what was their subject matter

AviD

2 years ago was very good - he talked about VC investment in security startups, lots of interest :-)

Rоry McCune

keynotes are tricky to do well

AviD

09:19

@RoryAlsop well since I'm badmouthing, Id rather not say :)

Rоry McCune

can't be too techy but need to get the audience right

AviD

(you can look it up online though... ;-) )

@RоryMcCune very true

Rоry McCune

which is hard if you don't know the audience well

AviD

@RoryAlsop I thought it was interesting - it was about pushing SDLC into a big corporate

"Turning the battleship", or something like that

Rоry McCune

sounds interesting

AviD

09:20

CISO of one of the biggest tech companies

Rоry McCune

(well to me)

AviD

@RоryMcCune had some good parts, but overall it wasnt great. I think its as you said, he missed the target

Rоry McCune

so I guess if the audience is mostly start-ups they won't care to hear stories about corps

AviD

though one of his competitors was very excited about it...

Rоry McCune

heh

AviD

09:21

@RоryMcCune well... the audience is a very big mix. the point is, everyone WANTS a startup, even those that are at corps.... ;-)

Rоry McCune

aye

Rory Alsop

Yeah, that's the balance :-)

AviD

@RоryMcCune part of the problem is he spent too much time explaining the challenges of the company, including the context of what the company does... many people said it came off very pitch-y.

Rоry McCune

@AviD sounds like you get a bit of a different crowd from the Eurpean OWASP events...

AviD

2 years before that, we had an incredible keynote from some Corporate SVP from CA talking about supply chains...

Rоry McCune

09:23

from AppSecEU I thought that there were a lot of devs, so talks about solving dev problems went well

AviD

wait, did I say incredible? I meant "incredibly boring".

Rоry McCune

heh

Rory Alsop

The ones that do it well just have their presence as the pitch

Rоry McCune

I was going to say, CA supply chains doesn't sound like a good starting place!

AviD

@RоryMcCune really? to me it seemed mostly security people.

Rory Alsop

09:23

And then talk through a topic they are interested in

Rоry McCune

@AviD dunno I got the feeling there were quite a few devs (comparing to other sec. confs here)

AviD

we get about almost half security folk, almost half devs. and a few other assorted mix. Mostly very technical.

Rоry McCune

@AviD most packed out talk I saw was the one about DevOps security, so implementing sec. in a DevOps env.

AviD

@RoryAlsop true. Troy Hunt didnt need to say much at AppSecEU, his delivery was off the charts.

Rоry McCune

@AviD he does a v. good presentation

AviD

09:25

@RоryMcCune yeah, Matt gave a good talk.

I actually have a good one in mind, now to do the convincing...

kalina

09:51

this conversation is too close to being on topic to be acceptable in this room

please refrain from discussing security related matters in the security chat room

Rоry McCune

@kalina any suggested topics of conversation to replace it?

kalina

silence

Rоry McCune

@kalina so Doctor Who it is then

kalina

who?

Rоry McCune

@kalina precisely

kalina

09:56

actually if you don't mind, it's just The Doctor

doesn't 'even really matter who

who am I even talking to?

oh yes... you

Rоry McCune

I'm looking forward to this weeks episode

to see what happens to missy

hey @AviD have you caught up yet?

kalina

A wanna be specialist with no mustache

Rоry McCune

or will I still get kicked for spoilers?

kalina

talks the talk but doesn't smoke grass

Rоry McCune

@kalina I'll take "Non-sequiteurs for $100"

kalina

09:57

some other rhyme that goes with the last

AviD

@RоryMcCune was it just the episode 1? cuz that I've seen.

kalina

I'm bored of this now, something something past

AviD

also, that seen that you rories were on about - yes, quite awesome indeed.

Rоry McCune

@AviD yeah next one's not till saturday

AviD

still, no spoilers I think

Rоry McCune

09:58

@kalina past what?

kalina

AviD

....

kalina

@RоryMcCune nothing, I briefly got lyrical and then gave up

probably related to having enough

Rory Alsop

I love the characters she plays

I still want her to "release the squirrel" as Missy

@kalina that's a carrying handle

kalina

pls spread your legs so I can insert a massive metal clamp and pry you open

just another day visiting the doctor

Rory Alsop

10:01

Doctor who?

kalina

you could at least warm it up first

NO NOT THAT HOT FUCK

#bored

Journeyman Geek

"Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"

►

AviD

@RoryAlsop I dont think Missy has a squirrel, she is a woman this time

Rory Alsop

She was definitely a woman in Green Wing

AviD

@kalina I think you're doing it wrong

kalina

10:03

2 days ago, by kalina

@RоryMcCune you can't talk about DMZs here, that's off topic

apparently the migration of people is exactly like the infiltration of the western world by IS, according to nobody, ever

Rоry McCune

@kalina not even the Daily Fail or the Torygraph?

kalina

"Czech authorities were called to report three suspicious fellows with dark skin hanging around the town center"

turned out they were French

Journeyman Geek

lol

"They were french" - that's suspecious already.

kalina

no

AviD

The Fear of the Different

Rоry McCune

10:13

wow, just saw a peregrine falcon at like 3 ft away

rare

AviD

did you poke it?

kalina

should have captured it, killed it, stuffed it and hung it on your wall as proof

AviD

no no, a peregrine falcon you capture, kill, and eat.

Rоry McCune

it was after the swarm of chaffinches we have at the moment on our feeders

don't think it got one this time

AviD

see? it's the natural food chain.

AviD

10:34

heehee, this statement:

> WordPress core, one of the most securely written web apps in the world

nevermind where I saw it, no need to shame.

but my feeling is: Obscurity is not Security.

Rоry McCune

@AviD wow have they seen the release history...

Arperum

@AviD That's like saying "php is the best language to create desktop appications."

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AviD

@Arperum like I said, obscurity helps.

@RоryMcCune inorite?

kinda/sorta makes sense in context, but still...

kalina

@Arperum what, you mean it isn't?

@AviD no, those are the same things

obscure is exactly the same as being secure, until it isn't

Rory Alsop

10:56

@AviD - not much eating on a peregrine

Apparently...

kalina

11:17

right, to the thing to do the stuff

AviD

@RoryAlsop yes but the extra flavour from knowing how rare it is...

Simon

ufat

@Arperum It's true.

@kalina pls

kalina

11:33

I can't believe you just had the audacity to ping me

I think you need to check yourself

before I wreck yourself

Simon

rekt

kalina

not really, my volume was way too loud and the ping sound was enabled, my hair is messed up from hitting the ceiling

Simon

pls I was talking about me getting rekt

kalina

random fucking boomyness in my kick makes sad panda

THERE IS NO OVERLAP STOP SOUNDING LIKE SHIT

Rоry McCune

@kalina can't you just tiwddle the boomyness knob down a little?

AviD

11:43

@kalina you're too short to hit the ceiling

OH SNAP YES I WENT THERE

Simon

@AviD OOOOOOOH SNOP

@RоryMcCune Yes, with this magical knob: waves.com/plugins/oneknob-phatter#oneknob-phatter-demo

AviD

hey at least she HAS a ceiling, not living in a teepee like you northern barbarians.

Rоry McCune

@Simon "Phatter is a bass booster that provides a quick way to add bottom, weight and body to bass, keys, kick drums and vocals alike, to thicken them in the mix"

wat

Simon

@RоryMcCune What didn't you understand in there?

Rоry McCune

@Simon Thickening a mix is something I thought was only done to cakes

Simon

11:47

lulz

Rоry McCune

also how do music producers get through their day with all the innuendo

"OneKnob Phatter"

it's like something straight out of a finbarr saunders comic

Simon

To be fair, I wouldn't use this plug-in.

It's a poor and mindless way to add low-end.

Rоry McCune

"OneKnob Wetter" oh come on, now they're obviously taking the mickey

Simon

The filter + pumper are pretty much the only two I find interesting.

waves.com/bundles/mercury

OH YEAH HANG ON LET ME ENTER MY CREDIT CARD INFO

AviD

@RоryMcCune that will be the name of my next conference talk

actually, Dr. Dirk might take offense ;-)

Rоry McCune

11:52

@AviD heh

someone should do security research on that software

just for the potentially amusing conference talk titles

Rory Alsop

Do it!

Simon

@RоryMcCune I'd rather have a physical version to twist it when needed.

"Lady, you could use some more wetness"

Rory Alsop

It might also be the only legitimate way to meet @kalina through work :-)

AviD

hahaha like she'd ever let that happen....

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah I can see my request for funds from our research budget "Dear management, I'd like some money to buy software to research, so I can make knob gags at security conferences with a straight face"

Rory Alsop

11:56

Phrasing is everything

Simon

You'll need a DAW too.

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop hey now no pinging @kalina when she's editing

Rory Alsop

Ah - yes, just saw that Simon had been bad

Sorry kalina

Simon

am soz am soz

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop you missed the @ of @kalina 's name there

;)

Simon

11:59

To be fair, if her volume was this loud, it wasn't good for her ears anyway.

So, you may call me your Savior.

Rory Alsop

Is that like saviour, @Simon #languagechallenged

Simon

pls

Rory Alsop

:-)

Simon

My Google Chrome spelling checker is British too because he underlines words like "color".

Silly spell checker.

Rory Alsop

Obviously it knows that color isn't a real word

Simon

12:02

pls, he only knows the alphabet.

And yes, apparently my Google Chrome is a "he".

Rory Alsop

Hahahaha

Simon

@ThomasPornin How's life at CGI in QC city?

Thomas Pornin

@Simon My life is not at CGI; I just work there.

Simon

@ThomasPornin Good for you, some friends have been telling me how their experience there wasn't great.

You're not in the production department though I assume so it must be quite different.

Rоry McCune

@Simon have you been bear-stalking again?

Simon

12:07

@RоryMcCune I've had my weekly stalk last night, yes.

(I'm kidding)

I feel the need to mention it because I'm sure that you lads believe it.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon I am not actually working on the premises. I am a mercenary, so I work at the customer's office.

Simon

@ThomasPornin Ah right, I think that you already told me that but I forgot cuz #me.

That looks fun though.

Rоry McCune

12:24

@Simon I would guess it depends on who the customer is and what their office env. is like

sometimes on-sites ain't too bad, other times they're horrible

Simon

He's French though so people must know to not mess with him.

Rory Alsop

My on-site at that small red bank was lovely. They made me breakfast every day

kalina

@AviD ...

@Simon nice, hide your problems rather than fix them

@Simon Waves don't support Windows 10 atm btw

Simon

39 mins ago, by Simon

It's a poor and mindless way to add low-end.

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop that is nice

@RoryAlsop BTW are W&G collocated with $large_bank. looks like I'm over for a meeting with them next week, so maybe in the vicinity for a coffee if you're about

kalina

12:30

@Simon my DAW output is quite a bit quieter than my Windows volume

"I fixed it with autotune anyway"

"Autotune all the things"

"This is me autotuning the sound of crying cats into a worldwide top 40 hit"

sorry, by crying cats I meant "your average American Idol/Voice/Pop Idol/America's Got Talent contestant"

it would probably be easier to actually do crying cats

Simon

Poor kitty cats.

kalina

my kick is no longer boomy and my bass is ridiculous and my percussion is bright

let's call this one finished and move onto the next

My patronus is a charizard

Simon

rawr

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune currently yes. Might even be on the Dane floor as me :-)

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop nice! well once I get confirmation of location I'll drop you a line.

kalina

12:42

target acquired

er... I mean

nevermind

Simon

pls they are not single

kalina

so?

Simon

pls

kalina

my experience is that not being single never stops a man

so #careface

besides, I was talking about for my charizard

but then I realized that "Scotland" is a suitable target anyway, why narrow it down to a tiny little location

Rory Alsop

Hahahaha

I assume charizard is a fire Pokémon?

kalina

12:45

so stop thinking with your penis, @Simon

@RoryAlsop yes

Rory Alsop

And your plan is to burninate the Rories...

:-(

kalina

I wanted to test your immortality

Rory Alsop

Oh, well in that case

Simon

pls my ween

kalina

otherwise I would have chosen Canada

Simon

12:46

O CANADUH

kalina

but then I thought

if I burn Canada, all that snow will melt, flood the rest of the world, and I live in the rest of the world, so that's bad

that's probably why nobody nukes them

back to the stuff to do the thing!

Thomas Pornin

@Simon This is entirely true.

Simon

13:01

You can't just go mess with a French guy on a fine Thursday morning, you gotta be prepared for war.

If you arm yourself with tons of dogmas and sophisms, you should be able to defeat him though.

kalina

13:30

either that or surprise him into surrendering

Simon

I keep dropping my headphones on the ground, I'm surprised that they're still alive.

kalina

that's disgusting that you treat such hardware in such manner

unless they're in ear phones

in which case

that's disgusting you call them headphones

Simon

pls, ATH-M50.

kalina

and then put them in your ears.

pls, acting like a pair of audio technica headphones makes you the shit

Simon

pls, you claimed something and proved you wrong with the model.

kalina

13:44

barely proving anything wrong

they're pretty low down in the grand scheme of things

basically a consumer item

Rоry McCune

@Simon I believe that @kalina is suggesting that you're a filthy casual :op

kalina

Fisher Price myFirstNearlyAudiophileHeadphones

Simon

Naaaah, the filthy casual would purchase a pair of Beats.

kalina

at least they're not beats

aha

inb4'd me :/

Simon

rekt

I wonder what brand of high-end headphones I'd get, possibly Beyerdynamic.

kalina

13:47

I do own a pair of ATH-M50s and they have a reasonable sound to them but they're not as "professionally studio monitor" as AT want you to believe they are

bang for buck though they're good for the price

Simon

Yes. Anyway, I shouldn't be producing on headphones but that's all I can do for now.

Can't wait to own a house to purchase a pair of kick ass monitor.

kalina

@Simon akg k701s

Simon

Jesus, what an ugly design.

kalina

sorry, I meant Ultrasone Edition 8s

but I refuse to spend €1500 on headphones

so, akg k701s

Terry Chia

14:43

@Simon The 701 is one of those classic headphones that are freaking awesome.

They are actually really comfortable.

Simon

@TerryChia Yes I can believe that but they look fugly anyway.

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