The DMZ

Simon

00:00

The HP one I linked is IPS.

Journeyman Geek

course, price depends on where you are and when you get it.

yupyup

Simon

It won't be used for gaming so response times doesn't matter very much.

Journeyman Geek

And here's the thing with dells. They are fricking tanks.

Flyk

@TildalWave it's obviously me

TildalWave

@JourneymanGeek they're actually not so bad for gaming, at least the newer ones can have pretty decent gray-to-gray

Flyk

00:01

I was going to go and upvote on every site I have an account on

and then I realized that I'm not logged in

and then I realized I don't remember my password

Journeyman Geek

And the better models (and the S series is one) have one of the best stands in the business.

Flyk

and then I realized it was too late

@JourneymanGeek psh, replace the stand

Journeyman Geek

They tilt and rotate, with height adjustment and all that jazz.

Flyk

triple monitor stand

the only way to do it

Simon

Totally gonna get this:

accessories.dell.com/sna/…

pls dell

Journeyman Geek

00:02

@Flyk: If I had three monitors

0_0

wait. A modern 4:3?

Flyk

really? a modern 17" monitor?

Journeyman Geek

resolution is a bit shit by modern standards

Simon

Ever since I tried to order a RAID controller from Dell and constantly went back and forth from "we don't have it" to "it's discontinued" and finally to "we have it", I hate them.

Flyk

yet you like HP

Simon

Like I said, everything with HP was quick.

Journeyman Geek

00:04

@Simon: Wierdly, their business side is full of fish in my experience

Simon

It took less than 10 minutes to get them to ship me the motherboard when I called them.

Journeyman Geek

their consumer side has been awesome.

Flyk

quick is not always better

TildalWave

I love you man woman or whoever saw my rep cap complaint but seriously, how am I ever gonna come close to a rep cap on SF? I won a 75 rep bounty there once and that's exactly the number of rep I got that day LOL

Flyk

@TildalWave well I don't have and would never use a space exploration account

TildalWave

00:04

I'm also a really crap admin

@Flyk heh thanks :)

you have rep on SF tho

isn't that about space? :P

and access to space?

Flyk

how is server fault anything to do with space

TildalWave

even assured access to space

@Flyk [disk] space

Journeyman Geek

SERVERS. IN. SPPPPPAAAACCCEEEEEEEE

TildalWave

cyberspace?

:cuteface:

Journeyman Geek

@Simon: accessories.us.dell.com/sna/… would be what I'd consider a logical choice.

Simon

00:09

@JourneymanGeek And it has quite a clean design too, nice.

Journeyman Geek

@Simon: Its basically a size down, and a couple of resolutions down from mine.

(I have a 27inch 4K as a primary screen)

Simon

Yeah I don't wanna spend on a 4K.

Flyk

ok that's enough boredom because I end up causing trouble

TildalWave

Jeez @Flyk thanks!

Flyk

oh that should have been "before", not "because"

TildalWave

00:13

erm that caused one little problem now, my top tag on webmasters in now PHP :)))

Flyk

oh you didn't think it was a completely selfless act, do you?

TildalWave

I'm not judging :)

Ohnana

@TildalWave ewww

TildalWave

@Ohnana Would you believe it I never set me up a PHP environment and I still found myself rather frequently debugging PHP code of others? Mostly even successfully LOL

Ohnana

acceptable

TildalWave

00:18

I mean if you understand HTTP methods you're already way ahead of most PHP-ers. Seriously.

or maybe I should say it's sad but true

Simon

pls

TildalWave

also explains why one of the most upvoted threads on SO is "what is RESTful..."

Flyk

what is RESTful?

TildalWave

1654

Q: What exactly is RESTful programming?

What exactly is RESTful programming?

Flyk

I could have googled it

Simon

00:21

@Flyk Whoa there, calm down on the upvoting (cheers).

Flyk

I want you to explain it to me

TildalWave

me? or @Simon?

Flyk

I don't know

Simon

Way to confuse her tildol, way to confuse her.

Flyk

it's not really much of a choice tbh

TildalWave

00:24

@Simon it wasn't my intention, I just thought it might be funnier if you try :D

Flyk

can I choose both? I don't really rate your individual survival rates so...

TildalWave

I mean you're the (ex?)PHP-er

@Flyk I'll just say it's using as much of this w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec9.html as possible and to the best of one's abilities and needs (aka more than just GET and POST)

Simon

"... GET, HEAD, PUT and DELETE..."

get head lololol

TildalWave

give it a REST @Simon

Simon

pls

Ohnana

00:30

who the fuck upvoted me once on every site

Simon

kalinuh is bored

Just say pls ty.

Ohnana

k

Simon

<3 Mike Shinoda

Journeyman Geek

@Simon As someone who owns a 4K display.... yeah, wait on it.

Simon

@JourneymanGeek Good to know.

Terry Chia

02:08

@Simon Enterprise and consumer divisions are completely different. Consumer-grade HP hardware is the shittiest thing ever.

Journeyman Geek

@TerryChia generally.There's the rare exception.

Lucas Kauffman

06:54

@TerryChia in all honesty, I've also seen HP rack servers bend on the bottom plate

AviD

07:17

@TerryChia and enterprise-grade hp software is next shittiest thing.

Rоry McCune

13:19

@AviD and none of it is as shitty as Enterprise-class Oracle software

@Flyk FWIW, AFAIK the idea is to map standard application actions to HTTP verbs, so for data retrieval you use GET for creation POST, for modification PUT and for deletion DELETE. Alongside this your URL structure kind of mirrors your database structure so for to view the first user in a system you'd do GET /users/1.

On an entirely unrelated note, here's a nice pic of the kyles of Bute that I got this morning on a trip down to Tighnabruich

TildalWave

13:38

@RоryMcCune there's a sunny patch a few clicks up, why weren't you there? :)

weather here is currently about the same

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave ^ it actually cleared up nicely

TildalWave

better!

Rоry McCune

yeah it was a bit cloudy/rainy when we started out, but turned into a nice day

TildalWave

that's quite a steep lake :D

we have rainy days finally, cooled down to 24C

Rоry McCune

ahh is much cooler here (which is a good thing!)

top temp is under 20C

and this morning was down to 9C

TildalWave

13:42

my missus would throw something towards you for saying that :)

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave ahh see these odd people who like high temps...

for me under 20 is nice

TildalWave

was 35 before and she said her feet are finally not cold LOL

Rоry McCune

hill walking is much nicer in cool temps

TildalWave

24 is just about perfect for me, OK maybe 22 would be even better

Rоry McCune

yeah guess it depends what I'm doing .. sitting around in the 20's is fine, but if I want to walk anwhere that's too hot

and around here hot temps == Midgies and wasps

this year it's been great, no wasps at all!

and less midgies

Adi

13:45

@Lucas This is a gift from a friend of mine to you

TildalWave

Really? It was the other way around here.

Adi

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave yeah we've had a really cool summer up in Scotland (well the west anyway)

last year was much hotter

TildalWave

But you have hills there about one every 100 meters so wouldn't you be able to pick your ideal temperature? I just sit on my bike and head for the first hill if it's too hot down. Or are they rarely covered in forest?

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave yeah up the hills is an option to get away from midgies/heat

TildalWave

13:51

Would you have network coverage there? I mean, could you just sit yourself somewhere and work for the day, or it would be hikes only?

AviD

@TildalWave its hit over 40C here today

people shouldnt be going out of their A/C in this weather

TildalWave

@AviD dry or moist? :)

AviD

@TildalWave somewhere in between... its not quite as humid as it gets other places, but not quite as dry as desert.

but it gets quite moist after being in that heat after a few minutes....

3

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave haaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha.... no coverage here is t3h s4ck0rz. we get 2G or if we're lucky 2.5G anywhere in the highlands outside of the larger towns

hey @AviD you realise the @Flyk has 2x the rep gain you've had this month :op

AviD

heh, yeah

she jumped into that OSwar with both feet... she's earned it

Rоry McCune

13:55

@AviD yeah alonside "linux fanatic" bear

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Does @Flyk have more rep than @Simon yet?

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia a ways to go for that in the all-time stakes yet...

TildalWave

@AviD Much traffic there? You know, ozone and ionized air and such. I really hate hot days in the city when everything seems to stick on you and all you get is headaches from it.

Rоry McCune

well 700 pts, so not too much really

AviD

@TildalWave nah, its pure weather.

TildalWave

13:57

that's survivable then

AviD

I live in what you could call the suburbs, so not really traffic effects right here

TildalWave

how close to the sea are you?

AviD

@TildalWave about half hour drive, I think

TildalWave

well that ought to help then

AviD

yeah I guess thats why its not TOO dry

actually the humidity is probably the best that could be expected, given the heat

so when we suffer from the heat, its JUST the heat

TildalWave

14:00

first year I lived at the sea I was getting tan just by the salt in the air LOL

AviD

unlike down south of here

TildalWave

it's different humidity close to the sea, much much better if you ask me

we had 37C after rain and inland here ... that was a bitch

39 in the city

AviD

when it gets too humid - it gets sticky and icky.

too dry - the heat is sharper.

we have goldilocks humidity - juuuuuuust right

TildalWave

yeah I miss the seaside

AviD

wow, apropos of @Flyk's answer on that OSwar question...

7

Q: How to handle "Sensationalist" questions and answers?

When I saw the question How does Windows 10 allow Microsoft to spy on you? with 10'000 views, and an answer that seems to be not accepted for it's accuracy or facts, I wondered if there's precedent on how these questions are handled. This comment by "BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft" sums up my though...

discussion

I need more time to be able to handle this ^. @RoryAlsop @schroeder feel free if the urge moves you before I get around to it....

TildalWave

14:08

> I hope the moderators deactivate comments activities to my answer because it really annoys me as the same comments or offenses return and may return over and over. Thank you very much in advance.

AviD

@TildalWave -.-

TildalWave

that would mean locking it, so no rep gain either, does he not enjoy that? :O

AviD

I'll tell you what I am close to deactivating...

TildalWave

?

AviD

and its not @Simon's mom, I'll tell you that much.

TildalWave

14:20

Rory Alsop

15:06

@AviD that will take some effort. Later, after my guests have gone

I left a quick comment

AviD

@RoryAlsop yeah, exactly.... need some time, headspace, and patience for this one.

Rory Alsop

Did you see what we had to do with his account image and avatar

Have a read back through TL transcript for info

AviD

@RoryAlsop oh lol! I saw a deleted post about that, didnt bother looking, assumed it was just paranoia... just looked at the history, and some of those are very amusing.

but he is TOTALLY objective, of course.

Lucas Kauffman

15:28

@Adi love it where can I get one

Rory Alsop

@AviD - from Martijn and others, there seems to be a long history of behaviour issues. Not planning on being very tolerant any more

TildalWave

15:46

> Suggested edit comment: Restoring cosmonauts. Respect the writing by the author.

> Reject reason: Author agreed to changes to the question in chat. Question is not specifically asking about Russians, and OP is Indian! Please stop being obnoxious!

:))

oh yeah, it was "edited by the mod" (actually, we didn't have mods then yet) so it must have been mod abuse

Rory Alsop

16:11

Lol

AviD

16:27

@TildalWave they probably also work for microsoft

@RoryAlsop oh? gonna have to read up on that then. I was actually surprised, we see him around a lot here, and he's usually pretty sensible.

Rory Alsop

Generally sensible, but if you look at annotations and history, there is a bunch of friction and less useful behaviour

TildalWave

16:47

@AviD Of course. And we have better looking spouses and drive faster cars too :)

AviD

@RoryAlsop interesting. Will take a looksie.

@TildalWave generally speaking, this is especially true on Sec.se. For example, take a look at @RoryAlsop. In my case, the car bit is not so true (family-style peoplemover - though I do tend to drive too fast) but the rest definitely is. Can't speak for @schroeder, but I do know that @Jefff at least drives fast stuff.

TildalWave

@AviD I was being sarcastic because these traits (at least in my case) aren't even among the top ten selection criteria, but I won't complain about their lack either ;)

AviD

@TildalWave oh I understood what you were saying, I was just pointing out that sec.se mods are, generally speaking, inifinitely more successful and sexier than regular mods. ;-)

INB4 TROLLS - THE WINKIE FACE MEANS I KNOW I AM JOKING

well, joking with the exception of the @Rory, of course

TildalWave

well with all the billions of dollars and lots of extra time on our hands since becoming mods, being generally awesome is kinda easy

AviD

17:03

true true

TildalWave

I can't speak for others but I could even afford my very own space exploration program with all the surplus :)

AviD

hehehe

Rоry McCune

BUSTED! I knew this is what you mods talked about in your secret mod chatrooms!! all the mad bank you're making

Rory Alsop

17:20

Hahahahaha

Rоry McCune

17:33

ZANO in action

►

^this looks cool if it does what it says on the tin

Adi

@LucasKauffman I don't think you can buy them. She made it herself

Lucas Kauffman

17:55

@Adi :o

Adi

@LucasKauffman I'll check if her company sells them

Fernando

Is this a fair place to ask for crits on questions before we ask them?

Lucas Kauffman

@Fernando crits?

Fernando

Critiques*

Lucas Kauffman

@Fernando maybe it is maybe it's not

give it a shot

see what happens :O

Fernando

18:00

Hahah okay, I will next time. I just posted one that I was hoping to check with someone about. Basically wondering if the context was unique enough not to be a duplicate but wasn't sure really how to check.

Adi

@RоryMcCune I'm specious about this "Follow Me" feature.

Rоry McCune

18:17

@Adi yeah from the info. I've seen so far I think it's tied to the mobile device you're using to control the drone... I suppose outdoors the drone has GPS and the phone has GPS, so the phone could tell the drone where it is and the drone could then move to follow...

Adi

@RоryMcCune Yeah, this seems to be the standard

In addition to assistance from WiFi or Bluetooth RSSI

I'm having an issue thinking of a way to do it indoors

Rоry McCune

@Adi for me, the cool thing about this design would be the size/weight. something that small would be easy to take with me on walks and then capture footage on the fly...

Adi

It has sonar and IR sensors for stabilization, but I don't see how that would help locating the phone

Rоry McCune

@Adi yeah I can't see follow me working indoors

but if it can do collision avoidance indoors that'd be the main thing

otherwise very easy to lose a £200 drone very quickly and or damage a person..

Adi

@RоryMcCune Yeah, looks like it can do collision avoidance very well indoors

Rоry McCune

18:21

@Adi of course proof will be in the shipping product... so far this is a kickstarter that hasn't delivered, so will be more convinced when it does and I see backer vids

I will say if it works as designed it coul well make its way onto my Christmas list :)

TildalWave

How is Marion? And does she know you're discussing things to get you for xmas here?

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave she's well :) and the first thing she said when I mentioned this drone was "have you bought one already"

TildalWave

hehehe cute

Rоry McCune

as if I would do an irresponsible thing like that!

TildalWave

right... you? never! :)

Rоry McCune

18:26

@TildalWave it's over my impulse buy threshold by a decent amount...

£10 books, sure, £200 drones.. not so much

TildalWave

hey it could help you get cables across the river and extend your pineapple range ...

and remote sensing capability could be added to your pentesting portfolio

why am I selling you a drone? :O

Rоry McCune

I'm sure as more drones come out pentesting companies will find reasons to get 'em :)

they could actually be handy for physical reviews where getting the lie of the land is part of the review

TildalWave

shoulder surfing 10 stories up?

Rоry McCune

heh

sounds like something out of a spy movie!

TildalWave

they use drone flies and robot cockroaches there

in your store next xmas ....

iTEMPEST :)

Rory Alsop

19:04

My impulse buy threshold just got me Photoshop and Premiere...

Oops :-)

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop well how else are you going to do vid. editing!

tylerl

@RoryAlsop you can "buy" both products on a monthly subscription basis at significantly lower cost if you don't need to have them available all the time

Usually i only need premiere 1 month out of a year

Rory Alsop

19:20

Ahh - I should have asked here first. That was not made clear on the buy page

Arperum

19:44

@RoryAlsop Most buy pages do not suggest that you ask here first. That would be bad for business.

Rory Alsop

20:33

Lol.

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