The DMZ

David Freitag

00:04

Weeeedamn. I want one. kickstarter.com/projects/1280877427/…

tylerl

@DavidFreitag A9 is the cheaper one.

David Freitag

@tylerl I know, that's the point. Newer chips are cheaper.

tylerl

they're paying twice as much for the slower one because of automotive certification

David Freitag

Well that and the temperature range. That sort of manufacturing process is very expensive.

I lol'd. kickstarter.com/projects/1933208114/netsec?ref=category

tylerl

I keep thinking I'd make amazing things if I only had a nice 3d printer -- except we have maker sheds here at work with pretty much every nifty maker device you could possibly want to use, and I still haven't made a damn thing.

David Freitag

00:17

@tylerl I am so freaking envious of you D:

Although I have to admit there is a hackerspace near me that I have yet to visit.

tylerl

@DavidFreitag yeah. I was pretty excited about the place and visited several times... but when it comes down to it, what are you actually going to make?

I know tons of stuff that I could make.

but nothing that I will make

David Freitag

Either you are too busy, or you have lost your imagination.

tylerl

and anyway, everyone has shapeways

David Freitag

Yeah but shapeways is expensive

tylerl

Not that expensive

I mean, cheaper than a damn printer

David Freitag

00:26

You can get a decent printer for $300

tylerl

which?

you mean a rep-rap?

David Freitag

Yes

tylerl

That's a bit of a project, but agreed it's doable. Can't imagine the quality would be very high if it's the first printer you make, though.

plus shapeways can do sintering. That's some damn fine quality

David Freitag

Above the cost, shapeways takes a while to ship, a physical printer is instant (once it's done printing that is...)

tylerl

Yeah, I'm not saying that it's categorically better than having your own printer. But I'm saying that not owning a 3d printer isn't what's keeping you from making your own _____.

Flyk

00:30

imagine how things were made before 3D printers...

David Freitag

No, the fact that I get paid in wooden nickels is keeping me from making my own ____.

tylerl

@Flyk mostly the same way they're made now.

Flyk

@tylerl sure but you never heard anybody say "if only I had a 3D printer..."

@DavidFreitag that's definitely your fault

tylerl

@Flyk yeah. my point is that I actually have quite a lot of 3d printers at Google, but I can't come up with anything to use them for.

Flyk

build a drone

tylerl

00:33

There's also a laser cutter as big as a comfortable car.

David Freitag

@Flyk It definitely isn't

Flyk

@DavidFreitag You need to stop working at the wooden nickel factory

David Freitag

@Flyk No other company would hire me to do anything but an intern, and I'd be making even less.

tylerl

@DavidFreitag After starting and running my own company for a decade, I certainly feel like making money is well within the grasp of anyone with the time.

or skills

or a little of both

Flyk

@tylerl and that's what it is at the end of the day... time and determination

David Freitag

00:37

Right, I forgot the only active ingredients in a successful business are time + determination, what was I thinking.

JukEboX

Evening gang

@DavidFreitag \o/

David Freitag

o/

tylerl

@DavidFreitag and a small amount of actual skill

Flyk

@DavidFreitag it's a true story

JukEboX

Whats up

Flyk

00:42

@JukEboX the sky

David Freitag

@tylerl Oh? Is that all? You don't need any products, or money, or anything like that?

Flyk

that's all covered under "determination"

it's amazing how many problems you can solve by just dealing with what you have

David Freitag

@Flyk Everything I own, apart from my bed, fits in half a dozen cardboard boxes.

Flyk

@DavidFreitag been there

JukEboX

@Flyk Hey your awake. How did you sleep?

Flyk

00:44

in fact for a period of time all I didn't even have a bad, all I had to sleep on was a mattress

@JukEboX you're*

David Freitag

I wonder what it would cost for a used shipping container

I could park it somewhere and live in that.

JukEboX

But did you sleep ok?

Flyk

no I didn't sleep ok

why are you so interested in my sleep?

David Freitag

Perhaps you should get a bottle of chloroform.

Flyk

-.-

JukEboX

00:58

Idk just trying to be nice I suppose.

Flyk

now you made me feel bad

JukEboX

@Flyk sorry?

hug

@DavidFreitag what you up to tonight?

tylerl

@DavidFreitag I never had any products -- just a hired gun.

People paid me to fix things.

David Freitag

@JukEboX Finishing my application for graduation and working on a few projects

Perhaps evidence of my graduation will be enough to warrant a raise.

Flyk

holy fucking shit

I just saw a scene from a video game that completely changed my view on violence in video games

how did I even miss that when it was current

David Freitag

01:14

@Flyk Oh?

Flyk

Charlie Brooker's How Videogames Changed the World

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Mortal Kombat 9's finishing moves

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag fingers crossed

David Freitag

@Flyk LOL

Flyk

:(

David Freitag

What I really mean is, I'm laughing at how over-the-top violent that is.

Flyk

01:17

it's just completely unrequired, isn't it

I'm not sure I could actually play that game

David Freitag

Equally as unrequired as the stupid boob physics

Flyk

oh don't get me started on jiggle physics

David Freitag

They just don't do that

Flyk

I'm totally over that, it doesn't need to be revisited.

it's all about hair physics now

David Freitag

nvidia has specific hardware dedicated to hair physics

Flyk

01:19

yep

did you play the Tomb Raider reboot?

David Freitag

Nope

Flyk

that had it

such a FPS drain

David Freitag

That's because back then the hair physics was done in software

JukEboX

@DavidFreitag really? LOL. DOes my GTX 960?

David Freitag

Now there is a specific set of hardware on nvidia gpus that does literally nothing but hair physics

JukEboX

01:21

Cause I will have to play something really hairy :P

David Freitag

@JukEboX Yes

Flyk

I might play Tomb Raider again

JukEboX

Wee to DONKEY KONG!

Flyk

I had a bad graphics card when I played it last time

David Freitag

@JukEboX You should get Witcher 3

gfycat.com/DamagedMajesticConey

Flyk

01:23

I should play Witcher 3 too

which I have a copy of

David Freitag

@Flyk If it were an AMD card it would be done in software too

Flyk

and played for an hour before restarting and spending 4 hours collecting herbs

David Freitag

Hahaha Johnathan Ross

And @Simon. Man this documentary has everything!

Flyk

which documentary?

David Freitag

The one you linked.

Flyk

01:25

oh

JukEboX

naaaa been hooked on Rocket League

Flyk

yeah I've been watching if for an hour or so

I've got as far as the Sims

David Freitag

LOL and robot chicken

JukEboX

my wife and I are binge watching This Week Tonight With John Oliver

David Freitag

This is great, I'll have to start it from the beginning.

Flyk

01:30

@DavidFreitag yeah I'm enjoying it apart from the stomach retching sawing in half bit

David Freitag

@Flyk That sucks. My brain immediately thrusted my face into laughter.

Flyk

@DavidFreitag no such effect, more like horror

no, shock

I guess that's the point

David Freitag

Dude that guy is SO bald

and SO scottish

Flyk

around this time I've got to be getting up to a mention of WoW

shadow of the colossus atm

David Freitag

I need to start playing GTA V

JukEboX

01:35

@DavidFreitag yeah I need to conitue that. I jsut started

Flyk

there we go, I knew WoW would appear

David Freitag

I bought it and downloaded all 70GB of it and have yet to open it

@Flyk In what world could a game documentary not mention WoW?

Flyk

@DavidFreitag well it was a very brief moment tbh

I think they spent more time on elite

David Freitag

I'm so glad they put that south park episode in.

Flyk

oh

No Russian

which I actually find less disturbing than the sawing

even though I remember a tears forming when I played that mission

David Freitag

01:44

@Flyk What mission?

Flyk

No Russian

the call of duty modern warfare 4 mission where you murder everybody in the airport

David Freitag

@Flyk I don't remember having any problems with that mission.

Flyk

it almost looked realistic and it was completely unnecessary

David Freitag

Of course it's not necessary, what part of any game has ever been necessary

Flyk

that's a bit of a silly question

SimCity wouldn't be SimCity without all of its mechanics and content

Modern Warfare 4 would still be Modern Warfare 4 without the 45 second level where you murder civilians in an airport

David Freitag

01:50

I never leave the comfort of my own hand.

I really want to play the last of us, but I really don't want to get a PS4

Flyk

same

I believe I wanted to play Heavy Rain as well

but I'm not buying a console

David Freitag

I finally broke down and bought an xbone

Almost complete regret

Flyk

if it's not available on PC it's definitely not worth my time

David Freitag

Speaking of which, today is Friday...

Flyk

hardly, it's nearly lunch

David Freitag

01:57

It's 22:00 here

Flyk

9:57

David Freitag

Yeah that

Flyk

also just because

you mean "except" in your profile

David Freitag

How do you know what I meant?

Flyk

because it doesn't make sense otherwise

David Freitag

02:00

Perhaps I placed a simple grammatical error there just to mess with people.

Flyk

you're not devious enough for this to be planned

David Freitag

Too naive more like it

Flyk

I couldn't say that, that's an insult

David Freitag

Naive is an insult?

Flyk

sure, could be

if you were to tell a not naive person that they're naive

David Freitag

02:02

But it is well known that I am naive.

Flyk

I must insert foods

NEED

om nom nom

JukEboX

I just had ice cream

Flyk

that's not what I mean by "food"

I mean something with nutritional value

ok, actually going to find food now

back later

David Freitag

02:17

@Flyk o/

JukEboX

Just you and me @DavidFreitag

TildalWave

02:35

cough

David Freitag

@TildalWave You forgot to turn your head

JukEboX

HI @TildalWave

TildalWave

I put my hand in front of my mouth you donut

hi Juke

JukEboX

What are you doing this evening?

TildalWave

disturbing you two just for the kicks of it :)

so you don't get any ideas :P

JukEboX

02:37

LOL Pretty quiet now that @Flyk went to find food

I live for her making me feel like an idiot :P

@TildalWave what ideas?

TildalWave

20 mins ago, by JukEboX

Just you and me @DavidFreitag

JukEboX

@TildalWave Woooow

@DavidFreitag get that A/C ready. Heat wave coming next week

David Freitag

Oh joy

TildalWave

when you say heat wave how hot is that in K/F/C?

LOL that came out as Kentucky Fried Chicken :)

JukEboX

90+ Degrees F

@TildalWave LOl

David Freitag

02:41

~311°K

TildalWave

ah yes that is hot

JukEboX

@TildalWave I thought that is what you meant. Like what is that temperature in the actual resturant and I was like.. "HOW THE HELL DO I KNOW THAT?"

TildalWave

we just had that here, tad better today

JukEboX

Is Kelvin 1 degree Times 30 Farenheit?

TildalWave

no, Kelvin is an absolute scale

Kelvin

°K, degK (deg K), or degree Kelvin redirects here. The kelvin is a unit of measure for temperature based upon an absolute scale. It is one of the seven base units in the International System of Units (SI) and is assigned the unit symbol K. The Kelvin scale is an absolute, thermodynamic temperature scale using as its null point absolute zero, the temperature at which all thermal motion ceases in the classical description of thermodynamics. The kelvin is defined as the fraction 1⁄273.16 of the thermodynamic temperature of the triple point of water (exactly 0.01 °C or 32.018 °F). In other words,...

there's conversions on the right

JukEboX

02:45

ok

@DavidFreitag how was your 5 mile ride home today? Traffic was shit today on the shore

David Freitag

Since I had been awake for 27 hours at that point, it was a bit rough

JukEboX

You and your 5 mile ride. LOL

David Freitag

Well I had to stop on the way home for some lunch

JukEboX

rofl

Terry Chia

11:14

Schneier and Zimmerman are so from the past that their opinions are, frankly, even more harmful than their crypto

Tweeted by rantyben on August 13, 2015 at 5:35 PM

shots fired

David Freitag

12:45

Welp I just killed a $500 prototype and my entire apartment smells like fried electronics. Time for some sleep methinks.

Rory Alsop

13:13

Have hungover wife this morning - so been playing a bit of Half Life 2, and looking at Black Mesa, wondering when Xen will be completed

@RоryMcCune - would you recommend Windows 10 on my gaming machine?

Rоry McCune

13:30

@RoryAlsop well so far from a gaming perspective, I've not had any problems with it :)

in general it's been fine as long as you take a little care to watch the privacy settings when you're installing to make sure you're happy with 'em ..

of course @Flyk is our resident expert on that side of things...

TildalWave

13:55

Isn't it kinda interesting that nobody yet isolated DirectX environment and transferred it onto a different core? It's not really core dependent and it should be possible to feed it from an emulated environment, no?

core, kernel,... morning :)

Terry Chia

If anyone is running PBKDF2 in production it might be worth using this implementation: github.com/ctz/fastpbkdf2

I wrote some Python bindings and it's about 40% faster than the stdlib implementation.

Rory Alsop

16:11

@RоryMcCune I'll maybe try it then. See how it goes

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop upgrade has been pretty painless on the 2 win 8.1 machines I've done it on so far..

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune Hmm - this will be from a 7

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop should still work, but I've not tried that one yet..

will be upgrading my works laptop at some point but that'll be when I have a quiet day, in case it all goes wrong!

Rоry McCune

16:42

Robin Schulz - Sugar (feat. Francesco Yates) (UNRATED DIRECTOR´S CUT)

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^ song has a nice good hook (if that's the correct term)

Rory Alsop

and a mad video :-)

Rоry McCune

yeah nathan barnett having some fun with that one..

Madeon - Pop Culture (Dance Video)

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^ was another one of his I like

Rory Alsop

Don't think I have ever heard of him

Rоry McCune

he's a dancer/comedian type who does some cool vids for music stuff

has some nice editing skills

Flyk

17:14

@RoryAlsop haven't really played any games on it except beyond earth

not sure if the spiky FPS is because of my graphics card, the game, or the OS

doesn't seem any worse than pre-upgrade though

thanks, I was going to get the final rep I need to cap but now for some reason I have Cities: Skylines open

Rory Alsop

@Flyk that'll distract you from repcapping

Rоry McCune

17:44

hey @RoryAlsop have you tried the contactless payment malarky down london way?

I see that most transport options there now support it

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune Once, yes - in Costa Coffee

Not for any sort of transport stuff

I have an Oyster card

Rоry McCune

interesting to see how easy to use/easy to make a mess of it is

sounds like a good idea

just tap CC card on reader and away you go.

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune yeah, I'm certain the second part of your sentence will become visible soon...

I'm struggling this evening - trying to pull together a couple of good articles for the Mensa Security SIG - as usual, a lack of volunteers to write anything, so I may have to delve into some old presentations of mine to sort out this quarter.

I have something on phishing and the stats showing intelligent folks are sometimes more easily hooked :-)

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop is this like a blog article you're doing or putting together a preso?

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune it's for the SIG newsletter, not a preso

Rоry McCune

17:48

@RoryAlsop ahh, so some abstracts/hot topics kind of idea?

Rory Alsop

yeah - pretty much

Rоry McCune

any particular area of security or just general?

Rory Alsop

should be straightforward, but I know I need to fit it round Ferris Bueller this eve :-)

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune fucking love that song

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune they have never done much with the SIG before I volunteered, so anything goes at this stage

Rоry McCune

17:50

This month for me the car hacking stuff from Defon, that was pretty interesting

and accessible in that it's implications are quite wide-reaching

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune Actually, one article I might do as a quick summary of the type of things seen at Defcon this year - a good range of fun stuff

so that's a good shout

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah there was a range there, obv quite a bit of hype but cutting through some of that and saying what was important could be a good article

@RoryAlsop another one would be the android things

Rory Alsop

If I come up with some good ones, I'll pop them on the blog here too - no exclusion clause

Rоry McCune

not so much the vulns themselves as the exposure of the lack of updates for over 900 million phones

Although that said I had a look at the Defcon preso on the Android stuff and from that I'll wager there's more bugs to come along the same lines

so Samsung/HTC/Sony etc had better sort their android patching process sooner rather than later

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune Pity it has taken this long, but I really hope they do now get their act sorted. With a punctual and effective patch process, Android security can be very strong

Rоry McCune

17:54

@RoryAlsop yeah it's been a huge weakness for them that people have seen coming, no support lifecycle info and no patching process, means I can't see how a corp. could deploy them

Simon

20:32

What the fuck is wrong with this guy?

begueradj, Kali Linux

5k 5 23 57

That's just inappropriate.

Rory Alsop

@Simon what has he done now?

oh - I see

Simon

Cheers.

TildalWave

20:58

@RoryAlsop did you contact SE stuff so they remove it network-wide?

it's still visible on other accounts

not that I'm personally offended by it but it does go against the policy

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave I edited and clicked the 'propagate to all accounts' . . . guessing it will only let a CM do that

I'll ping the TL

TildalWave

cheers! or use the new mod form to "contact community team" (in the profile, mod, actions )

does twitter share work for you on q&a?

or share to any social networks actually

Rory Alsop

21:36

@TildalWave not sure - I don't think I use social networking very well

so I don't think I have tried those share buttons

well, I might have, but I don't remember

TildalWave

22:08

it doesn't show anything to me, it's just an empty page if I click share on a question or an answer, but it does show it if I click on those Help us grow this site! share buttons on beta main pages

hmmm yeah it must be me, I tried now in Chrome and it works

can't find where it's blocked tho

still doesn't work if I disable all plugins

odd, I think this might be since the FF update

Flyk

hey did you know that this site had a review queue?

@RoryAlsop what did he do?

I neeeeeeeed drama or I will explode!

...that happens sometimes.

TildalWave

22:33

@Flyk you need one more rep to rep cap?

Flyk

nope

Simon

@Flyk Hey did you know that suggesting edits of posts from 2010 sucks?

rekt

Flyk

@Simon nothing sucks as much as the vacuum caused when you open that hole in your face

TildalWave

@Flyk stackexchange.com/users/4259604/begueradj

Flyk

@TildalWave -.-

Simon

22:35

He's a real dumbass.

Flyk

22:51

lick

suck

nibble

mmmm... ice cream

oops... I made a mess

Rory Alsop

Pffft

Not very exciting drama

Ice cream? But it's midnight

:-)

Flyk

lol no, it's morning after not sleeping

my flight home is in not many hours and I can't wait

Simon

Does anyone own this monitor by any chance?

amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-23xw-Backlit-Monitor/dp/B00TQQN2GI/…

Flyk

why would anybody ever willingly own hewlett packard hardware?

Simon

23:07

Because after setting up a few HP servers and getting them to send me a replacement motherboard within 2 days, I know they're trustworthy.

Flyk

trustworthy eh?

you know that?

did you mean reliable?

Simon

Whatever floats your bananas.

Flyk

because I'm 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% confident that they are motivated purely by profits and would kill you and eat your young if it increased their profits by even a small percentage

Simon

Reliability implies trust, y'know.

And sweet made up statistics, do they make it for men?

Flyk

that wasn't made up

nor was it a statistic

but... whatevs

is the reason you're asking because you have an issue with your HP monitor?

Simon

23:23

No, because I wanna buy it.

Flyk

oh

well you shouldn't do that

it's a HP

save yourself the heartbreak and buy Native Instruments Komplete instead

Simon

pls, I'm tired of producing on a 13" laptop

Flyk

and buying a 23 inch monitor would mean you're no longer producing on a 13 inch laptop?

Simon

I'd plug the laptop on the display.

Flyk

but you'll still be producing on a 13 inch monitor

Simon

23:26

Nah, I'll use just the 23" screen.

Flyk

on the 13 inch laptop

which you're tired on producing on

Simon

pls, it's the display that I'm tired of. I'll use a wireless keyboard, the laptop's lid will be closed.

Flyk

might as well just get a real pc

Simon

It's an i5 with 8gb of RAM, it's more than enough.

Flyk

keep telling yourself that

Rory Alsop

23:34

lol

Simon

23:54

TildalWave

ah bang 5 away from rep cap and 5 min to go :( Oh dear Lord Jesus, this ain't happening, man... This can't be happening, man! This isn't happening!

Journeyman Geek

@Simon: Not I. I tend to favour dells for nice monitors.

Simon

@JourneymanGeek Anything to recommend for about 200 bucks?

TildalWave

LOL who upvoted me on sec.se? Wrong site, but thanks anyway! :))

Journeyman Geek

@Simon: Well, in this case the brand in general. My last monitor is a beast.

Flyk

23:57

@Simon are you trying to start a fire?

TildalWave

And now on MSE? OK who's the cute donut? :D

Journeyman Geek

@Simon: there seem to be monitors in the S series that fit your bill, so to speak

IPS (so MUCH better display, with some tradeoff with response times)

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