The DMZ

Simon

20:00

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

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> Winner is schroeder.

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Undo

^ Note they're UNOFFICIAL and MIGHT BE WRONG. But probably not.

Rory Alsop

Tentative congratulations to @schroeder then!

Rоry McCune

congrats @schroeder welcome to the mod community

Xander

Congrats @schroeder!

Rоry McCune

20:01

commiserations to the others, there were a lot of strong candidates I thought

Simon

HOW DID I NOT WIN?!?

Rory Alsop

@Simon you weren't eliminated first or second...

Xander

See @ThomasPornin? Now I haven't won, and can moving on to trying to win the next thing, whatever it may be.

Simon

@RoryAlsop Really?

@Xander I'd totally rage quit if I were you.

Rory Alsop

@Xander it is odd looking at where the votes go

Up until round 8 looked like Xander would win

Rоry McCune

20:03

@Adi did you see you were 3rd.... which goes to show ...

Rory Alsop

so it's 2nd or 3rd votes that made the difference

Simon

Oh, I just realized that we could scroll, totally didn't understand it.

@Undo Well done on the bot, seems to be working very nicely.

Undo

thanks :)

Thomas Pornin

@RoryAlsop Yes, @Adi was actually leading in the first rounds.

Undo

It's github.com/Undo1/ElectionBot, if anyone wants to make it moar betterer.

Adi

20:07

@RоryMcCune Are you kidding me? :D

@ThomasPornin So, who won?

Thomas Pornin

@Adi Apparently, @schroeder.

@Xander was second, you were third.

These are unofficial results.

Adi

@ThomasPornin This is a joke

Rоry McCune

@Adi nope and from what @ThomasPornin was saying you were ahead in some rounds...

Adi

How can @Xander not win!!!

Simon

@Adi I'm kind of wondering the same thing.

Thomas Pornin

20:09

@Adi This was close (like 155 vs 169).

Simon

Not gonna lie.

Adi

What the fuck?!

Nobody knows who that guy is

Undo

maybe I rigged it

Simon

LOL

Undo

except I don't know who he is either, so unlikely.

Thomas Pornin

20:10

One must admit that voting behaviours on the main site cannot necessarily be accurately inferred from sampling of conversations in the DMZ.

Adi

I think I've only ever pinged him only once or twice in the my hole lifeitime here

@ThomasPornin Which is utter bullshit

We are the steering group of this place

We change the name

We adjust the tags

Simon

We handle me.

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Adi

We decide what needs to be summairly closed

Thomas Pornin

@Adi But are the voters aware of it ?

Adi

@ThomasPornin \The voters ask questions like "Is my wife spying on me?"

Fuck the voters

The voters are so stupid they chose me as 3rd

Simon

20:11

Hahaha.

Rory Alsop

@Adi I'm sure that's a t-shirt

Xander

@Simon Ha ha, no. @schroeder will be a good mod. If it wasn't going to be me, I'm glad it was him.

Simon

@RoryAlsop I want that t-shirt.

Thomas Pornin

@Adi They voted for you on that exact electoral promise...

Rоry McCune

hey I just realised that @schroeder is canadian! ... conspiricy theories ... ho!

Rory Alsop

20:12

I'll need to look at those numbers and see how things may have been different if the joke noms weren't there

Adi

They voted for the election troll

Rory Alsop

but first I need to finish this pint of March of the Penguins

Adi

@Xander I don't care what the consequences are, but I highly doubt he'll be a better mod than you'd have been

There are 0 people in the DMZ who don't know you and there are 0 people who dislike you

Fuck this bullshit election.

We already know you're level-headed, patient, ready to listen, nice, respectful, etc.

You're like the me^-1

445 voted

Pathetic

Xander

@Adi I appreciate the sentiment. :-) But yeah, I'd say he'll at least be as good a mod as I would have been.

Adi

@Xander Man, you need to get CEH before next election :D

Undo

20:18

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Q: 2015 Community Moderator Election Results

Information Security's 3 moderator election has come to a close, the votes have been tallied, and the new moderators is: They'll be joining the existing crew shortly — please thank them for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice with them as they learn the ropes! For details on ho...

It's official

Simon

I'm happy of my result.

Adi

Holy shit opavote.org/results/5590168354422784/0

Iszi

I wonder how it would have played out if the system allowed more than 3 picks?

Adi

I was leading the first 4 rounds

Thomas Pornin

@Adi Amusingly, @schroeder won because most people who voted for you put @schroeder as next choice, not @Xander.

Iszi

20:23

@Adi It's the difference between "who's your #1 pick for moderator" and "who's in your top 3".

@Adi Apparently you're the #1 pick for more people, but more people had @schroeder in their top three than you.

Adi

@ThomasPornin I found that very amusing as well

Rоry McCune

and the conclusion I come to from this is that .... people are weird

Adi

@Iszi Expected :D

Iszi

In FPTP, @Adi would have probably won. But I'll forgo linking the CGP Grey video here.

Rоry McCune

@Adi was deliberately contentious in his nomination text, yet that got him most 1st votes...

Iszi

20:26

@RоryMcCune Hah. Now that's scary.

Rоry McCune

@Iszi are you calling @Adi a monkey?

Adi

@Iszi Which supports the idea that people want a tyrannical moderator

Iszi

@RоryMcCune How's that equate to "@Adi is a monkey"?

Rоry McCune

@Iszi well it does go some way to explaining the popularity of contentious politicians...

@Iszi in the video to which you refer it's the monkeys that win in FPTP voting setups...

Adi

@Iszi Racist!

@RоryMcCune Racist!

@Adi Racist!

Rоry McCune

20:27

ergo I was jokingly suggesting that you were comparing @Adi to those creatures

@Adi hey hey hey I just pointed out what @Iszi was implying, monkey boy :op

enderland

@ThomasPornin should have had them vote just once ;)

Iszi

@RоryMcCune Reviewing now. There's no "monkey". There's "gorilla". And he comes in second in the first election. Leopard wins.

Gilles

@Iszi not necessarily, because people might have voted differently

Iszi

@Gilles That's why I edited to "probably".

Gilles

STV encourages to vote 1. favorite underdog, 2. favorite likely candidate

Rоry McCune

20:29

@Iszi ahh I'm mis-remembering, I thought the monkeys won the FPTP votes

AviD

@ElectionBot congrats @schroeder! I was hoping you would win, instead of one of the other losers!

;-)

Iszi

@RоryMcCune Nah, they're featured in another video. But I don't remember if they won anything.

Congrats @schroeder BTW.

Rоry McCune

Politics in the Animal Kingdom: Single Transferable Vote

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^ hey I didn't remember wrong

Adi

@AviD Screw you!

Rоry McCune

@Iszi it was monkeys that one the FPTP vote

Iszi

20:31

@RоryMcCune You're not linking the video I was referring to.

The Problems with First Past the Post Voting Explained

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Rоry McCune

@Iszi well that's the one about STV which is the voting system we use here

:op

AviD

@Xander you're just saying that now.

@Adi hehe. Came in 3rd, and you almost didnt run...

Rоry McCune

@AviD would you care for me to ship you a spoon?

Iszi

@RоryMcCune Incidentally, Gorilla is the final victor in the FPTP video.

And I was wrong. There were monkeys, but they were losers.

AviD

@RоryMcCune I dont get it?

Rоry McCune

20:33

@AviD if I shipped you a spoon, you could keep stirring things up :op

AviD

@ThomasPornin yes, but they each meant the other voters, not themselves.

@RоryMcCune ahhh hehehe

@RоryMcCune yes, that is my job, as the official pantsweasel of the group.

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@Adi ftr, and not speaking comparatively, @schroeder is very active around the site, even if he is less of "one of da bros" around here

though he does hang around here quite a bit too, dunno why you haven't seen him.

Adi

@AviD I hope that now he's a mod he'll become "one of the bros"

Being "one of the bros" is an important part of being a mod

It's essential to listen to the most inflectional group of the community you're moderating

Rоry McCune

I'm just disappointed @Flyk didn't nominate herself

Adi

I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he'll do

Rоry McCune

that would have been ... interesting

Adi

20:37

This is a rare thing that I'm doing

AviD

@Simon I didn't like that @ScottPack was eliminated before @LucasKauffman. That's plain ridiculous.

@Adi categorically disagree.

for the obvious reasons.

Iszi

@AviD Apparently a substantial chunk of @ScottPack's voters selected him as third choice.

Adi

@AviD Notice who was the least active mod in his mod duties?

AviD

@Iszi I guess... All the rational voters had @Xander, @schroeder, and @ScottPack - just most of them put him 3rd.

hey @ScottPack! you won the rational vote!

@Adi @Jefff?

Adi

@AviD No, the other one

AviD

20:39

:23071213 heh.

also fair.

@Adi dammit, me?? what are you saying?

Adi

No, the German one

Iszi

@Adi You mean the one we're replacing?

Adi

Yes

Iszi

Oh, I get it. You're pissed because you think German == Nazi, and you lost while proposing a similar regime.

schroeder

Thank you all for your votes!

Adi

20:41

There's a direct correlation between involvement in the DMZ and the level of activity with the mod duties.

schroeder

@Adi I may not be one of the bros, but I listen. I'm not always chatty here, but I am here every day

Adi

@Iszi Ha?

@schroeder You'll become one of the bros. Give it time :D

You'll be pinged a lot

Iszi

@Adi i.e.: You thought comparing yourself to Hitler would win you votes since the outgoing mod was German. Of course, that follows the fallacious assumption that we were happy with the outgoing mod.

AviD

@Iszi not necessarily - the voting dynamics would have changed, which is the point.

Adi

@Iszi It did get me votes

Iszi

20:43

@AviD And again, I said probably.

Adi

In fact, I got the most 1st-votes

schroeder

@Xander I was really hoping that the mods would open up a 2nd position since we were so close

Iszi

@Adi Who knows if your campaign actually got you anything? Maybe there's actually enough people around here who like you regardless. (Scary, I know.)

CodesInChaos

I don't think you'd have been a bad mod @Adi.

Adi

Hey, @schroeder, can you ban @Iszi?

Iszi

20:44

@Adi I don't think he's been inducted yet.

schroeder

@Adi no prob - lemme find that button ....

AviD

@Iszi and also - durp, guilli ninjad me

Adi

@Iszi He's blue and has diamond

Iszi

@Adi Oh, shit... CTRL+F5 and boom.

Adi

@CodesInChaos I'd have been a benevolent dictator

AviD

20:45

@schroeder hey now, it was just the one. each. I hope.

Undo

@schroeder join ussss

Iszi

@Adi Maybe during the Irish famine.

CodesInChaos

@Adi You're too soft for dictatorship :)

Adi

@CodesInChaos Maybe you're just not hot enough

Iszi

C'mon, nobody got that one? I know it was a stretch, but really...

Adi

20:46

@CodesInChaos Jokes aside, I disagree. I have all the qualities to be a dictator

CodesInChaos

@Adi Only if you become bitter.

Adi

@Iszi Because I'm a potatohead?

AviD

@Adi oo shiney! hey @schroeder... NOW the real congrats!

wanna have a celebratory #simonkick?

Iszi

@Adi The Irish famine was particularly known for its lack of potatoes. And without any 'tators, what's a dictator?

Adi

@CodesInChaos I'm sitting 2 meters away from the monitor, I read that one "only if you became hitler"

AviD

20:48

@Iszi wow, that's.... that's subtle. like, REAL subtle.

Rоry McCune

@Iszi #1pun

Undo

@Adi way too far away. Monitors are meant to be used from about nose-length away.

Or have I been doing it wrong?

Adi

@AviD You know what they say about jokes on that subtlety level?

@Undo I'm in bed trying to sleep

and using my wireless keyboard/mouse

AviD

@Adi it's about as funny as a screen door on a battleship

Iszi

@AviD Why don't you make like a tree, and get outta here?

AviD

20:49

Biff, you dumbass

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Rory Alsop

@Adi I see where the problem is. DMZ != sleep

Adi

I think I'll go to sleep. Maybe it all be just a dream and I'll wake up to a world where most people don't vote for me.

a better world

Good night

Iszi

It's kinda funny how the Opavote site doesn't say it, but you can figure out from the graphs how many of each candidate's votes came from first, second, and third-place choices. At least for the ones that didn't make it to the end.

Like, if I'm reading mine right, I had 22, 4, 2.

AviD

@Iszi first and 3rd is easy. I guess 2nd is a matter of calculation of the difference.

Iszi

Oh, and that's only doable after the 3rd round I think.

So, anyone except @Xander & @schroeder, who was still around in Round 4, can do that calculation.

Undo

20:56

@Iszi or you can just download the raw data and run regexes on it and count the lines that match

Lucas Kauffman

@Avid mmm? How can you see how you ranked?

AviD

@Iszi also, it doesnt account for votes that never make it to you, because the previous position was not eliminated before you.

@LucasKauffman opavote.org/results/5590168354422784/0

Iszi

@AviD Oh, you're right.

So I'm totally out of whack.

There might be one person who could still get that.

AviD

@Iszi anyone with the raw data?

Lucas Kauffman

the fuck

how can @TerryChia be behind @Simon?

Xander

20:58

@schroeder Yeah, well, c'est la vie. I figured it would be close, and I knew that there was a good chance you'd win, so I was duly prepared. :-)

Undo

@Iszi psst. Download raw data from security.stackexchange.com/election/download-result/3 :)

AviD

@Undo hmm. They messed up the REST URL on that one, IMO.

should obviously be security.stackexchange.com/election/3/download-result

Undo

agreed

Lucas Kauffman

@Xander Are you going to cry yourself to sleep tonight?

Scott Pack

I didn't even place? What the fuck is this noise?

AviD

21:02

@ScottPack right? thats whatsapp level of craziness.

not sure which is more insane, that, or @Adi coming in 3rd.

Xander

@LucasKauffman Possibly not. Might be a good excuse for an extra beer though!

Scott Pack

Wow. These results are weird.

Iszi

@Undo Now that's just cheating.

Rory Alsop

And that's with 445 people voting

TildalWave

@ElectionBot Jeez that's some odd elimination of a good part of our top scoring membership. I'm so glad I'm on page two right now LOL

grats @schroeder and in case the bot miscounted something, grats @Xander :)

I can't say I understand those vote transfers tho... what's that? Like they do it in Florida?

Iszi

21:13

Ok, so without raw data @Adi is the only one who can definitely say how their votes were laid out based on the OpaVote site.

CodesInChaos

121 people voted only for candidates that didn't make the top 3.

TildalWave

@CodesInChaos that's weird

Iszi

@CodesInChaos I wonder how many didn't vote for @schroeder at all.

Aw, crap. That thing doesn't work for @Adi either. Or I'm doing it wrong. Or both.

CodesInChaos

Personally I think that the rep requirement for voting is too low, especially considering the association bonus.

TildalWave

repist!

Scott Pack

21:20

Note everybody. That's an 'e'.

Iszi

@CodesInChaos I concur. I think to run for mod (even though this would eliminate myself right now) on a mature site you should have to be at "Trusted User" level. And to vote, you should at least be able to vote-close questions.

CodesInChaos

I'm eligible to vote on 19 sites. In can't call myself a community member for most of them.

Iszi

@CodesInChaos 300 rep, right?

CodesInChaos

Isn't it 150?

Gilles

@Iszi wow, 20k? Way too high. Some great SO mods had <10k rep.

CodesInChaos

21:23

Or does it depend on the site?

Gilles

@Iszi 150 to vote, 300 to run (except on SO which has additional requirements)

Iszi

@CodesInChaos Oh, 300 to run. Might be 150. Could be less for betas.

CodesInChaos

I was talking about the right to vote, not the right to run.

Iszi

@CodesInChaos Me too. Just thought it was 300 to run.

Holy crap, I could vote on Biology, just because of my one question there?!

CodesInChaos

Perhaps instead of raising the rep requirement, adding a "days visited" requirement might be a good idea.

Iszi

21:26

I'm eligible to vote on nearly 30 sites, and probably not qualified to be a responsible voter on more than 6!

AviD

@TildalWave who is a rapist??

Iszi

@AviD That's not a mis-spelling up there.

AviD

@TildalWave watch those CGP videos above.

Scott Pack

I was just pointing it for people like @AviD that it was spelled correctly.

AviD

I just assumed it was his European accent.

CodesInChaos

21:28

The transfers for eliminated candidates are easy to understand. Just transfer all the votes to the next candidate on the preference list.

The transfers from chosen candidates are more subtle.

As usual, the devil is in the details.

Amelia

it's Meek STV

AviD

@CodesInChaos Discourse has a similar mechanism. You advance "trust levels" based on how many posts you've read and interacted with.

Amelia

CGP Grey explains it in pretty incredible detail

and even mentions Droop

AviD

CGP Grey - the only guy who knows more about proper election schemes than @nealmcb.

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Amelia

I have a CGP Grey shirt.

Minutephysics, too.

AviD

21:32

@Amelia I would be quite impressed from your collection of tshirts logos.

did... did I just creep myself out?

4

yes, yes I did.

Amelia

Yes.

I need to make a list of people I'm hitting with a metal bucket filled with ice at defcon. And I need to somehow get a taser.

3

AviD

I think this is better.

Amelia

@AviD You're still #1 on both lists

AviD

@Amelia yay!

what's the other list?

Amelia

Also, someone at work had Chrome 12 on a machine

AviD

21:34

NO WAIT I DONT WANT TO KNOW

Iszi

@Amelia What? How have I not seen that one?

Amelia

Last release date for chrome 12 was 2011

Also, get @Simon in here so @schroeder can kick them

AviD

@RoryAlsop we need to refrain from handling flags in the next few days; everyone else needs to start flagging EVERYthing.

Iszi

Presumably, her earlier post referred to "people I'm hitting with a metal bucket filled with ice at DEFCON" and "people I'm going to shoot with a taser".

Now, is she actually hitting the people with the bucket while it's filled with ice? Or is she just badly phrasing her desire to dump ice on them?

Amelia

@AviD you can still flag for moderator attention as a mod

AviD

21:36

this will be @schroeder's induction by fire.

a ritual hazing, if you will.

@Iszi also, she never specified that the taser is for tasing the list of people.

@Iszi well, if the bucket is full of ice, it will hurt more when you get hit in the face with it.

Amelia

@AviD no, it's for use on people. bucket of ice on their head, tasing the bucket

AviD

also I'm pretty sure that's a euphemism, anyway.

Amelia

Also it hasn't stopped raining here in ~52 hours

AviD

wow, its been at least that long since it dropped below 30C here

schroeder

@AviD uh - can I claim to be on vacation?

AviD

21:41

@schroeder of course!

to be clear, moderation is still required even whilst on vacation.

schroeder

yeah, but what about hazing?

AviD

sure, if you want.

David Freitag

@Amelia The taser is easy, get a disposable camera and two nails.

AviD

@DavidFreitag then slam the nails into the target's hands, and take a picture of them screaming.

David Freitag

@AviD No. Connect the nails across the several-thousand-volt capacitor in the camera, let it charge, then poke someone with it.

Scott Pack

21:46

Pew pew

AviD

sure, you could do that

David Freitag

It's not as good as a real taser, but it is seriously painful.

TildalWave

27 mins ago, by Scott Pack

Note everybody. That's an 'e'.

AviD

21 mins ago, by Iszi

@AviD That's not a mis-spelling up there.

20 mins ago, by Scott Pack

I was just pointing it for people like @AviD that it was spelled correctly.

NURD

TildalWave

@AviD what CGP videos?

AviD

21:49

1 hour ago, by Rоry McCune

Politics in the Animal Kingdom: Single Transferable Vote

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1 hour ago, by Iszi

The Problems with First Past the Post Voting Explained

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those

I think there might be another couple in that series

David Freitag

Also, the amount of blue in the past hour of chat is slightly alarming.

AviD

hey @TildalWave @ScottPack @schroeder @Amelia @Gilles @RoryAlsop @CodesInChaos @JourneymanGeek @Undo - we should totally lock this room, make it a mod only room. That would be fun.

@DavidFreitag I have no idea what you're talking about.

CodesInChaos

AviD

heh

oops forgot @Undo

David Freitag

No offence to @schroeder, but I am pretty bummed that @Xander did not win the vote.

AviD

21:56

@DavidFreitag you kidding me? @schroeder was my first vote!

you too, @ScottPack.

but hey, I gotta work with the guy now ;-)

TildalWave

@AviD you do realize that's all BS, right?

CodesInChaos

Two first-votes AviD? You should become a manager. Everything has the highest priority.

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AviD

@TildalWave of course. A gorrilla could never run for office.

Too intelligent.

@CodesInChaos exactly.

TildalWave

@AviD exactly :)

AviD

@CodesInChaos I used to answer those managers, that come at me with "but it's urgent!", with "Urgent? We don't deal with plain urgent, only ON FIRE".

@TildalWave but why did you mean its BS?

CodesInChaos

21:59

It's it's not its. Damn it.

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