@Simon Still have never seen twitch. Not sure there is a use case I am interested in

@RoryAlsop Yep, stay away from it, it's a huge waste of time.

@DavidFreitag think I'm currently on £30 for 10Gb

@Simon Well duh...

So I have a shared account between me and my son - together we never hit more than about 6Gb

@DavidFreitag Roro is old, I gotta make sure that he understands what I'm saying about technologies.

@RoryAlsop Twitch is a lot of fun. If you find a particular group of people to watch.

@DavidFreitag but why watch people?

I have people just across there I can watch with my binoculars :-)

@RoryAlsop For entertainment.

@Simon but why? Is it like Big Brother, or the Truman Show or something?

@RoryAlsop Yes but sometimes watching your neighbors have sex gets boring.

@DavidFreitag replace the neighbours regularly - problem solved :-)

@RoryAlsop But then what do you do with all of the bodies?

@RoryAlsop Usually it's either because the person is very funny or skilled.

@DavidFreitag I have a cat...

You're watching people who you want to be.

@Simon so it's not reality tv then

@RoryAlsop Hahaha, fair point.

@Simon but I am exactly who I want to be

@RoryAlsop Ah, so that's what happened to the sabertooth tigers.

I watch people stream on twitch because they are freaking hysterical

@RoryAlsop I'm telling you that Twitch is not for you!!!

The group I regularly watch gets together and gets hammered on Fridays and plays mario kart and CAH

Or Gta V

If I know someone then I'd maybe be interested, lie if one of you guys did (unless you were really boring) but I can't understand following someone I don't know

I never understood why anyone watches the Kardashians, or any of those shows. But then in general celebrity holds no interest to me. And non-celebrities are even less likely to interest me. Unless I have met them

Or know them

someone's having a nice swear fest in the electrical engineering chatroom....

@RoryAlsop I agree, but twitch is hardly the same thing.

@RоryMcCune Oh?

Ah?

@DavidFreitag yeah several flags, with people objecting to F*** being used

not entirely an unreasonable objection, depending on the context

That's mean.

Should we go raid the chat?

LET'S DO THIS

SIIIIIIMON DOOOOONUUUUUTTTTTT

I'm back now

Hehehe I really like that "the photon" guy, he's great.

@RoryAlsop There's at least three reasons: Kim, Khloe, and Kourtney. The order of significance being up to the viewer's particular preferences. Oh, and the whole show could totally be on mute.

@Iszi I don't understand that mentality when there is literally trillions of other things to watch where everyone is naked...

There, I started the raid.

Who are we raiding? i want my pitchfork

@JeffFerland You forgot it at home

you guys are missing the next level dota

@DavidFreitag Yeah, but it's free and on network television. And something you can usually watch with your XYL, 'cause she's watching it for the celebrity gossip anyway.

@Iszi XYL?

@Iszi Also there is plenty of naked to be had on the interwebs for free..

@DavidFreitag urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xyl

@DavidFreitag Yes, but the little lady might not appreciate you doing that on the couch next to her in the afternoon/evening.

@Iszi This is not a ham radio, you hands may resemble a ham, though.

@Iszi The first issue with that is presuming there is a lady with me.

@DavidFreitag Okay, your little/big bear or whatever you like to call him then.

@Iszi What? @ThomasPornin has never been in my apartment.

@DavidFreitag Not the @ThomasPornin type of bear. @ScottPack's type of bears.

@Iszi Oh. No. None of those in my apartment either.

@Simon That is the perfect kind of raid

@RoryAlsop Indeed. It looks friendly at first but in a few they'll be craving for donuts.

@DavidFreitag Well, why the heck are you watching "Keeping Up With..." when there's probably a good "Kim Does..." video to find?

@Iszi I'm not, I have been trying to explain to you that I am watching naked people.

@DavidFreitag Is that like seeing dead people?

@Iszi Yes, but when you start seeing naked dead people it's time to stop interneting.

@DavidFreitag Nah, that's just Rule 34 at work. Move along, you'll be fine.

@DavidFreitag #ShitSESays

Well the star wall got weird again.

@DavidFreitag Are you sure that isn't a sign you need to internet more?

@etherealflux I would say from experience that it means something has gone seriously wrong.

Oooh, we need a bot. A Twitter/SE Chat bot. It monitors for people replying to posts with #ShitSESays, then tweets the post that was replied to.

Can we get it into some kind of recursive loop?

@Iszi How could such things go wrong ?

@etherealflux I'm not sure exactly how.

@Iszi That's a terrible idea. Let's do it.

@Iszi Maybe you could edit the first post to be a reply to the second?

I agree, it's disgusting. Full speed ahead.

@Iszi I hope you know that I'd abuse it to death.

@etherealflux That might re-trigger it once.

@Simon I hope you know the author would specifically blacklist you.

For infinite triggering though, you'd need to do infinite edits.

@DavidFreitag I hope the author knows all my future and past identities.

@Simon (S)He knows your user id.

@DavidFreitag Of my new accounts?

@Simon Well whoever writes it should add an interface for easy blacklisting.

@DavidFreitag You can't blacklist my motivation.

@Simon Anyone who's smart about keeping their website clean will have spyware loaded on your PC that reports your public IP to them regularly so they can automatically update their blacklists.

@Iszi Because it's this easy to infect someone with a spyware.

Yup, and as @Adi has shown us, all it takes is one SVG image and you can log everyone's IP.

@Simon You must not read the news.

@Iszi I'm talking about infecting a given target.

@Simon Yes, all it takes is browsing the internet once without using a condom.

Oh, and there's petitions into some nation-states to back-door all computers at the OEM with facial recognition software. So the webcams will report what computer you're on, and its public IP, to the government at all times. Then the government will provide a public API to retrieve updated status so people can keep their blacklists synced just for you, @Simon.

so here's an interesting question.... when we security types get asked about the inevitable mainstream stories on this android vuln (with a headline like "950 million phones at risk" it'll go mainstream I reckon) what do we recommend to them?

if an ordinary user asks us that is

@Iszi I don't live in a third world country oszi.

@Simon That's arguably even easier.

@Simon You don't need to live in one. Just buy a PC whose chips were made by one.

@Iszi I don't buy PCs, I buy Macs.

we can't tell 'em to root the device (too technical), we can't tell 'em to get a patch from the vendor (there probably isn't one)

INFECT ME SON

@Simon Macs are PCs. The hardware & OS are just made by someone else.

@Iszi That's why I remove the webcam from all of my devices...

Well, remove the usb cable at least.

@Iszi Start by trying to infect my server and then I might reconsider what I said.

@DavidFreitag Good point. We need to revise the petition to add in voice recognition, keyboard ergonomics, all that stuff.

@Simon Careful what you ask for. You might not get the infection you expect. Could be ebola or something.

@Iszi pls

Applying security policies to subdirectories sucks.

my roommate thinks that OSX is the father of Unix

he's..beyond help

@etherealflux No, a bullet or two will help.

@etherealflux It's true, all linux distributions are subsets of OS X.

Either you guys know I'm joking or you don't even want to try to correct me.

@Simon your mom is a subset of OS X

@Simon It is more simple than that: Nobody cares

all

pls?

OSX's parents are a bunch of dorks in the 80s/90s at UC Berkeley

@Herringbone_Cat "I grew up on IRC in the 1990s; and am an old-school hacker from before the days when "hacker" meant anyone who can make a crummy web site in Ruby"

pls.

everyone knows that "hacker" means that you infiltrate the FBI

@Simon what's your issue with that?

@etherealflux Is that a euphemism?

@Herringbone_Cat "I was a hacker before it was cool"

re-pls.

@Simon you live in Canada eh

eh

perhaps you don't know what the word "hacker" has been transformed here in California to mean aynone who lifehacks via eating frozen yogurt

Right.

Also, I understand your envy because you're too young to remember the days of BitchX and smurf, but some of us have experience dating back to an era before you. :)

I've spent my childhood watching The Smurfs, am I as cool as you are now?

No one said I was cool, you just basically attacked my profile in a reddit-bro "pls" fashion.

I even watched it in French, I'm actually much more exotic than you are.

Reddit? I was plsing before it was cool.

You're making straw man arguments as well, are you really even in your twenties? What you're doing is called trolling. :)

@Herringbone_Cat Alas California is not the center of the universe.

@Herringbone_Cat No, you are actually talking to a four year old.

Fun fact: one can have a password-encrypted key for an Apache-SSL server. But then it blocks the boot sequence, until the sysadmin types the password on the console.

@Herringbone_Cat I've stated multiple times here that I am 12.

@DavidFreitag Indeed. Perhaps eleswhere 'hacker' still has connotations regarding information security.

@Herringbone_Cat If you are a member of the open source hardware community, the word hacker follows the original intended meaning.

@ThomasPornin So, if you're in a ssh session and do a sudo reboot, you're boned?

@DavidFreitag Unfortunately here in the "maker" scene (which is the umbrella over what open source hardware communtiy there is) the commoditization of the word hacker continues.

Gentlemen share their umbrella with the closest single lady, not with open source hardware communities.

Sounds like you need more innovation clouds

@etherealflux Will you be done with the project soon?

@Simon The .js innovation framework is almost fully pivoted into the cloud

@etherealflux Now you're talking.

@etherealflux I'm not entirely sure people should pivot things into their butts.

@Simon Yup, exactly.

Lovely.

Well, the SSH server is started before, so you can presumably do a SSH nonetheless, and kill some process, and try to resurrect the machine.

This still is suboptimal.

It blocks the boot sequence in the middle of it?

@Simon More than likely it blocks near the end of the boot sequence.

Gotcha.

Once all of the prerequisites have been loaded (ethernet/wifi/wpa supplicant etc.)

and the PHP operating system, of course

@etherealflux PHP inoperable system™

IBM COBOL interpreter included!

@etherealflux You had to write an interpreter to run the .js framework on PHP OS™, right?

LOL

@Simon Well yeah, of course. It's written in a blend of C and FORTRAN

and the C is mostly assembly

@etherealflux That is just amazing.

I just searched google for "PHP OS" and this:

ahahahahahahahaha

Someone at google has a sense of humor.

Oh please no. I won't give the same look to my Macbook when I'll get home.

@DavidFreitag Wanna take a trip back to 2006?

@Simon Sounds good to me

@DavidFreitag play.google.com/music/m/…

@Simon I listen to that song regularly.

@DavidFreitag Good boy.

Also, I did not know about defqon until earlier this year, so this brings me back a few months.

Also, that is far from the best anthem.

It's the ultimate HS party.

I like the most recent one.

The one that is usually recognized as the best is Scrap attack by HHZ.

This is infuriating.

I am trying to modify the files in my roaming profile on windows 7, but I keep getting an error that says I need permission from myself to perform this action.

@DavidFreitag You're using a roaming profile!?! You're asking for this type of infuriation.

@Herringbone_Cat It is my workstation, I have no choice.

I think even the MS fanboys gave up on roaming profiles circa 2008

What do you mean?

@Herringbone_Cat Then you would be very wrong.

@Herringbone_Cat It is not my computer, I have no control over whether I use a roaming profile or not.

Aside from heavy, large corporate environments and universities, most MCSE's I know do not like roaming profiles.

Ah ok, you said it was your workstation, thus the confusion.

Where is the confusion? It is the station that I work from.

Generally "my" indicates ownership

Is this at a university or a large corporate environment? :)

No, this is at a <30 employee company.

Interesting. I rarely see roaming profiles in SBS-land.

@Herringbone_Cat Or users without local Admin access.

@ISzi that's a great way for corporate IT to feel important and have job security. :) "Help me install Acrobat!"

@Iszi In fact I have local admin access and network admin.

@DavidFreitag So what are you bitching about?

@DavidFreitag In Windows land do you mean "Domain admin" or just network admin e.g. you run the switches?

@Iszi Windows won't let me modify files in my roaming profile.

@Herringbone_Cat I mean domain admin.

@DavidFreitag Then you should deprecate the use of roaming profiles. They're awful!

@DavidFreitag You're you. You have local and domain admin. You shouldn't be able to not do anything.

@Herringbone_Cat No one that works here is capable of such a change.

@Iszi That's kinda the infuriating part, ya know?

@DavidFreitag You can figure it out, it's just a switch of group policy.

@DavidFreitag Threaten the DC with a format and reinstall. That should do the trick.

@Herringbone_Cat I'd rather not mess with my company's livelihood. I just need to learn to save things to a flash drive.

@Iszi I'll get right on that. In the meantime, I'll just try writing a powershell script and running it as amin.

I was doing IT consulting around 2009 and we had some junior kid literally going around and migrating users to local profiles in environments we'd inherited with roaming. Then the clients would be like "wow everything is so much faster to startup and login now, you guys are a great IT company!"

@Iszi Windows has informed me that the root user needs permission from the root user to move a folder

IIRC my first run-in with roaming profiles was in 98 when we could't work out why building things was so slow, then we realised that we had the Netware doc.set in our profiles on a server at the other end of a 64Kb ISDN line... avoided them mostly where I could after that

LOL, even an admin cmd window won't work.

@RоryMcCune Were computers powered by coal back then?

I'm about ready to melt a few servers with a large quantity of thermite.

@Simon Technically speaking computers are coal powered today.

@RoryMcCune They didn't spring for the 128K dual channel ISDN so they could have the upload separate at least? :)

@DavidFreitag I'm sure there will be ton of snow to melt this winter, just wait.

@DavidFreitag wat

@Simon nope but they were made out of sheet steel!

@Simon Coal to fuel the generators at the power station, to power the computer.

@DavidFreitag We use water here.

@Herringbone_Cat nah lines were very expensive and they were coming from a netware 3 that really didn't put much load on them

@Simon Are you sure it isn't maple syrup?

@DavidFreitag om nom nooooommm

I sent a can to Geck-o, he enjoyed it.

A can of maple syrup...

Not sure I would trust that even if it did come from canada.

pls

@Herringbone_Cat he is actually Simoning. It's a thing. See, it even has its own hashtag #Simoning

It's exactly this, how could you not trust it?

IT'S PURE BRAH

@DavidFreitag and find out all the private SE chat rooms they're on

Kroger is advertising crayons as "great food at low prices"

I mean, they were only 59 cents, so they're at least 50% correct

@Simon Mostly because you can't re-seal it. I mean, that works for Canadians because they consume 2.5L of maple syrup per day, but for us humans it makes little sense.

Anyone happen to know the physical size and mass of a High-Density 5.25" floppy disk?

@DavidFreitag Hence why you get a super cool container like this:

It's obvious that it's either bad quality syrup or fake syrup because it's too light.

@Simon Because then I would have no use for the local diner.

@DavidFreitag I guarantee you that the maple syrup there tastes nothing like real one.

@Iszi planning some time travel and needing to calculate your weight allowance?

@Iszi 42

@Simon I guarantee I don't much care.

@Simon I have a Canadian friend who pointed me in the right direction of some good maple syrup

@DavidFreitag :'(

@RоryMcCune No, just a random "I wonder how much space this would take up in floppies" musing.

@RoryAlsop Yay! Are you satisfied with the result?

I've gotten quantity figured out - that's easy enough. Weight and volume specs are harder to come by.

@Iszi TWSS

@Simon Not sure - I have liked all the maple syrup varieties I have ever tried

It is kinda sad when throughout your entire life you have eaten the cheap stuff, so when you try the real thing you realize you enjoyed the cheap stuff more.

I'm easily pleased

@Iszi you know you can still buy them it appears... floppydisk.com/5point25.htm

I have what I like to call an "unsophisticated pallet".

That took longer than expected

@RoryAlsop TWSS - But she was wrong.

@RoryAlsop Oh you gotta be more picky than that son.

Hey - I'm just settin' 'em up

And that one

@RоryMcCune Not entirely surprising. Still no physical specs.

@Iszi You always have to get physical eh?

@Simon olivia newton-john fan, eh?

@Iszi 1.44Mb or the 1.7Mb you could crank 'em up to?

@RоryMcCune who dat chick

@Simon really?

^^ probably NSF some Works

1981 roro, 1981.

@RoryAlsop No, the 1.2 MB 5.25" ones.

@Iszi most of mine are Honeywell coasters for side plates now.

@Iszi find dimensions for the box of 10 in some shop that sells antiques and then calculus the shit out of it

@TildalWave Nah, I want @RoryAlsop to get out his ruler, calipers, and food scale.

@Iszi hahahahaha

@RоryMcCune Oh yeah, that's a classic.

I'm bad with names.

@Simon Yeah, your mom uses that excuse a lot too.

oszi

pls

lol PHP file managers sijmen.ruwhof.net/weblog/…

@RоryMcCune Kind of funny that a Wordpress blog talks about PHP vulnerabilities, isn't it?

@Simon yeah they should move over to a nice secure Octopress blog :)

@RoryAlsop Did you forget to tell us you're running for mod on The Workplace?

@Iszi Nope, I seem to recall hearing about it in here.

@RоryMcCune oh dear. it's like someone left a bucket of failure out in the sun for six months, then puked into it - and then they called it PHP and built an insecure web app on it!

I think I finally have this makefile thing down.

Implicit rules are fantastic.

@Iszi - I think I said...

Ok, that's awesome.

Filter?

With the size of those caps I'd say amp

oh yeah, those are pretty large

just hook it up to your beats headphones

and wonder where your life went wrong

@etherealflux Where do you see beats headphones? In the trash probably.

They were thrown in an incinerator. The ash is finely deposited on the table's surface

Luckily that guy was intelligent enough to select aluminum polymer caps instead of regular aluminum electrolytics, those wouldn't last long with no ventilation.

Yup, it's an amp. instructables.com/id/Crystal-cMoy-Free-Form-Headphone-Amplifier

plug the output into the input and run away

I don't think that would do anything

that is indeed a headphone amplifier from looking at it

It definitely wouldn't do anything. It uses a TI OPA2132 amp. Basically the noise on the amp would eventually clamp the output to the positive voltage rail

What would be incredible is if it also had a bluetooth/aptx Module, so you could stream remotely with the amp in your pocket rather than have it connected to something. That'd also probably require a battery.

Which would probably be like 9V or something.

@Herringbone_Cat Definitely require a battery.

Although after last year's rocky mountain audio festival, I've seen so many headphone amplifiers I'd be hard pressed to do a DIY. I've actually been using these Pendulumic wireless headphones, and believe it not, the fidelity is great.

@DavidFreitag You'd never get anywhere in a Michael Bay movie

it ought to go up in a twenty-foot fireball

because reasons

@Herringbone_Cat You could use one of these ebay.com/itm/…

@DavidFreitag no way, it's not aptX-codec licensed

@Herringbone_Cat That's because it's not an apt-X device.

@DavidFreitag Which means I wouldn't use it for wireless audio, since I'd require a better quality for the kind of drivers I have.

@Herringbone_Cat ebay.com/itm/…

Mostly SEAS Prestige, although I have SEAS Lotus in my car..anything less than aptX is clearly audible.

@DavidFreitag Now that thing looks good for $10.

You would of course want an external amp on that since the onboard one (if there is on) will be very low power.

There are some slightly more expensive ones with RF shielding cans on them, but for an extra $5 I dunno

@DavidFreitag Yeah, I generally go for bigger amps, class A/B, and using an AC transistor rather than an IGBT

ebay.com/itm/…

I use this thing in my car for example: zedaudiocorp.com/index.php/products/leviathan-iii/item/…

@Iszi staff.ncl.ac.uk/roger.broughton/museum/floppys/201041.htm

So 133x133x1 for the dimensions (in millimetres), and 12g per floppy.

> Here is the rear view. The notch on the top left has been covered making the disk READ ONLY.

He does know that the only thing stopping him from writing to the disk is a piece of tape... right?

@DavidFreitag Ah, today's youth...

Of course this is not about security. This is about providing a bit of information to the drive.

@ThomasPornin I use floppies on a regular basis. Unless there is a difference between my floppies and that floppy I must be missing something.

@DavidFreitag When the notch is covered, the drive is supposed to prevent any attempt at writing -- and drives from that era were doing it mechanically, with no possible override from software.

This is a protection against human errors, not attackers.

@ThomasPornin I did not say anything about attackers, I meant that if he wanted to use it for something other than storing the installer for that software, he could.

The way he worded that, it sounded like he meant it was permanently read only.

@RоryMcCune you could tell them to get a real phone, instead of a lump of user-unfriendly swiss cheese with wi-fi.

@Simon you should have run in the The Workplace elections — there the top candidate score is 15, just like you here!

Man, writing proper documentation takes a long time.

@DavidFreitag if you think writing proper documentation takes a long time, you should try writing poor documentation over and over again until you get it right.

@AviD No... No I don't think I'll try that.

It's like digging a hole with a sieve.

well that is highly dependent on how fine the screen is in your sieve.

pls

it's a good metaphor. don't ruin it.

Wait.

is it actually a simile?

Yes it's a simile. A very poor one.

@DavidFreitag you should try writing a proper one.

and it was a damn good one.

@AviD I'm busy writing register descriptions and proper usage specs, maybe later.

oh noe! Woodhouse passed away. /cc @RоryMcCune

not the character, the actor.

I really should get around to watching that show.

@LucasKauffman of the current opposition parties WP's having some trouble with their larger multi-seat ward - but a lot of it is the government playing dirty in my opinion. SDP's not got experience in parliament but they're the best organised in terms of alternate policies. There's one other party that was started by an ex pap dude who NEARLY became president.

They're an unknown, but they might be standing in my neighbourhood

... youtube.com/watch?v=aXdpfYG3G3g

very NSFW

well the audio is

and, tbh, this will make you all a little uncomfortable.

I was hoping to use it to mock @Simon, but there was nothing there relevant.

oh! boom, I just did.

the crazy crap they have on collegehumor...

@Gilles GUIGUI THAT'S MEEAAAANNNNN

@Simon no, it's true

@Gilles Yeah I just found out, haha.

People who are commenting on Roro's nomination are dicks.

There's the occasional commenter who is more positive:

only 3 noms there?