The DMZ

Simon

15:03

Simon Le Bon? Is that me?

kalina

no

Simon

no

kalina

no

Simon

@kalina Are you the typical type of bitch girl who's always mad and has a shitty mad expression on her face all the time?

kalina

no

Simon

15:06

no

kalina

I'm one of those people who is happy 99% of the time and just has bad moments

just like everybody else

Simon

o

kalina

unfortunately, text on the internet strips out such niceties as facial expression, body language, tone of voice, sarcasm, dead pan delivery, etc

2

Simon

o

kalina

I'm actually joking a lot more than I'm being nasty

I have upheld that I am misunderstood for the entire time I've been on SE

less so here

the Bridge is terrible for it though

Xander

15:19

339

A: How to securely hash passwords?

The Theory We need to hash passwords as a second line of defence. A server which can authenticate users necessarily contains, somewhere in its entrails, some data which can be used to validate a password. A very simple system would just store the passwords themselves, and validation would be a s...

Arperum

@Xander Thank you.

Xander

@Arperum And a single SHA-512 iteration is bad due to this point called out in that answer: "it is way too fast, and gets faster with technological advances. With a recent GPU (i.e. off-the-shelf consumer product which everybody can buy), hashing rate is counted in billions of passwords per second."

Ohnana

@kalina my life struggle

kalina

@Xander this post is really good, I can understand nearly all of it

Xander

@kalina It is indeed one of the best answers on the site...But I also have a feeling you understand more here than you generally let on.

Simon

15:29

@Xander NO ONE EVER SAID THAT ABOUT ME

THIS IS UNFAIR

kalina

@Xander yeah?

what makes you think such a thing

oh I see, that's interesting

Xander

@Simon Because you're a PHP programmer. We can help but associate that with any level of achievement beyond eating art paste. And even that's a stretch goal. :-P

3

Ohnana

I just wrote a ton of php and I did feel a bit stupider after

kalina

does the word "stupider" cause an involuntary negative reaction in anybody else?

Ohnana

self-referential humor \o/

Iszi

15:41

@kalina I'm pretty sure it involuntarily makes anyone who reads/hears it instantly stupider.

kalina

you say that, but it's actually a word

I looked it up before hitting enter on my original statement

English Language & Usage says it's legit

AviD

hard disk failure :-( :-( :-(

Xander

@AviD Ugh. :-( Not fun.

AviD

it seems that I am not quit as backed up as I should be.

kalina

Information security professional doesn't backup

read all about it

AviD

15:46

its like I said - if you didnt restore from your backups, you didnt do a proper backup.

and a proper restore is a restore from bare metal.

kalina

install machine

install all software

AviD

@kalina does back up, but not enough.

kalina

IMAGE machine

restore from image

use machine

AviD

all data (up to delta of current work) is backed up online

but would take me days to get all my dozen machines back to proper state.

kalina

everything of importance is backed up depending on *how* important it is

AviD

15:47

@kalina exactly.

I didnt give enough thought to time and pain of getting set up all over again, just the possibility thereof.

kalina

all business related materials are backed up to a server I have, and all personal related materials get backed up to google drive/onedrive/skydrive/simon'smum'sdrive/dropbox

by imaging you never have to "set up", you just restore the image and continue working while all of your cloud providers drag their data back down

Simon

@AviD Should have bought a Mac and used Time Machine.

AviD

@Simon HARDWARE.FAILURE.

Simon

TIME MACHINE WILL DO BACKUPS YOU DONUT

Ohnana

@AviD well, at least you haven't lost your work. a helpful tip for the future is get a dpkg list of packages installed on the system. then shove it into the package manager and have a nice cuppa

Simon

15:50

IF YOU DON'T HAVE A NAS OR SOME SORT OF NETWORK HDD AT HOME THEN YOU FAIL AT IT

AviD

@Ohnana what the hell is a dpkg??

kalina

oh sure, backup all of your stuff to the same physical location as your main copy of the stuff

Simon

IT AS IN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY

kalina

and then claim that you've backed up

AviD

is that some sorta perverse linuxy thang?

Ohnana

15:51

@AviD quite

Simon

@kalina Did you just read what I said about the NAS?

You silly willie eater.

AviD

@kalina its even easier for me. Since everything is in VMs.

kalina

@AviD it's a package manager

@Simon er

Ohnana

>not using linux

AviD

just tricky backing up multiple 100GB files....

Ohnana

15:51

>2k15

kalina

@Simon did you read what I said?

AviD

@Ohnana >smart

kalina

having a NAS box and backing up to it is barely a backup

it's in the same physical location as the main copy of the data

so if said location burns down, your backup was pointless

Simon

His house didn't catch on fire.

sigh.

AviD

@Simon actually I do, but I need to upgrade that. not big enough for all my VMs.

so only the real critical ones are backedup.

Simon

15:52

He said hardware failure, not /quit life failure.

kalina

@Simon and you said backups

Xander

@kalina He has a bunker. Everyone knows bunkers are impervious to fire.

AviD

@Simon houses here rarely catch fire. they are all stone and metal.

sometimes the contents do blaze though.

Simon

#justblaze

kalina

@Simon's advice on backups is akin to information security where you leave location services on and upload hundreds of pictures a day

Ohnana

15:53

@AviD hahaha i see what you did there

AviD

right, keep yapping y'all, Imma off to my yoga.

POOOOOWWWEEEERRRR YOOGAAAAAAA!!!

kalina

CUT

Simon

@kalina Did someone ever throw donuts at your face?

kalina

give me a tylenol, stop yappin' y'all, @AviD you got no style dawg, I'm the queen of dialogue

Simon

'Cause I'm about to do it.

kalina

15:56

there's only one room I know you from, and I've heard more chat in the silence, when I'm home alone

Simon

wat

kalina

they rhyme

@Simon no, I've never had donuts thrown at my face

Ohnana

lol microsoft did not acknowledge google zero for their public disclosures

so salty

technet.microsoft.com/library/security/dn903755.aspx

kalina

Is "Google Zero" a sugar free version of Google?

Simon

^lol

Xander

16:06

@kalina There's nothing sweet about any version of Google.

kalina

@Xander in contrast, I find this very difficult to read

Simon

.co.uk

OI LAD

kalina

@Xander srs? Google is teh win, everybody should just tell Google everything

Simon

Says the one who's scared of indexing.

You donut.

kalina

I have no fear

Simon

16:18

blablabla

kalina

I do have quite a bit of boredom

IT'S GROWING

(twss)

@Simon are you a grower or a show-er

Simon

wat

kalina

are you a grower, or a show-er

or neither

Simon

No idea what those mean.

Ohnana

kalina is asking penis questions

kalina

16:28

did you go to Leo Hayes?

Simon

Figured that. I don't mind answering but I gotta understand the question in the first place.

kalina

@Simon are you a grower (small penis that grows large), a show-er (a large penis that grows larger) or neither (you have a tiny penis)

Simon

Isn't there one that goes from average to large?

David Freitag

@kalina Define "tiny"

kalina

@DavidFreitag if you have to ask this question...

@Simon imaginative

Simon

16:38

merci

raz

16:52

I feel like we should just ban questions involving Chinese security.

0

Q: What does this mismatching SSL certificate hint at?

So I'm currently visiting China, and I use a well known VPN service for both my laptop and my phone. Every now and then, I get certificate errors when using my phone when I'm connected to a VPN, but this never happens on my laptop. Currently I'm trying to access m.facebook.com and I get a warni...

Ohnana

17:04

you have none, go home

Rоry McCune

17:49

I see the DMZ went weird while I was away again

well tonight is a good night.. the missus got me a bottle of Balvenie Caribbean cask :)

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune very nice!

@RоryMcCune See what happens when the Rories step away...

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop I know we're obviously a restraining influence

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune heh heh heh - now that's a scary thought :-)

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop well as we're the elder statesmen of the DMZ world, it behoves us to set and example ;op

like pinning all the donut messages in a suggestive way

Simon

I like to put donuts up my donut.

Rоry McCune

17:59

@Simon .... to quote a good scottish comedy "you've taken that too far!"

Simon

pls

Rоry McCune

pls what?

Simon

plz

Rory Alsop

I think it's a type of lager, Rory

from plsen

Rоry McCune

►

@Simon or more precisely youtube.com/…

@RoryAlsop Ahh I c

David Freitag

18:02

@Simon Donutception? I'm a fan.

Simon

@RоryMcCune Those guys look like they've eaten too many donuts.

@DavidFreitag We can make a movie about it.

Rory Alsop

Donut policeman says NO @Simon

Ohnana

wtf

Rory Alsop

Amazing World of Gumball

It's a bit like Adventure Time in it's level of insanity

David Freitag

Cartoon Network has gone so downhill...

Rory Alsop

18:10

Why autocorrect punctuation?

Apparently so, @DavidFreitag

David Freitag

I remember the days of DBZ...

Toonami was so awesome.

Rory Alsop

Never saw it

(Didn't yet have kids)

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop It's 60% guys going "Aaaaaaaah" 20% fighting, and 20% of someone running to or from something else.

It's where "IIIIIT'S OVER 9000!!!!" comes from.

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag WHHHAAAT 9000?

David Freitag

There are also about 1000 episodes spanning a few series. It's a good watch if you aren't really paying attention.

There is also DBZ abridged (which is freaking hysterical btw)

Rоry McCune

18:16

@RoryAlsop if you ever want to know the score the thing to do is just want DBZ abridged on youtube, save you mucho time

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune And generate quite a lot of laughs to boot

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag it is quality

David Freitag

Although there is lots of swearing in abridged iirc, but not in the og series

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Simon

@RoryAlsop That's a great donut!

Rory Alsop

TWSS

kalina

18:35

OHMIGOSHIAMSOBORED

Simon

What's up with music production these days?

Rоry McCune

@kalina I recommend doing something interesting then

David Freitag

@kalina What about that prototype you were talking about before?

kalina

that's why I'm bored.

I wish there was someway to just download all of these tutorials into my brain

Simon

You're a brain.

David Freitag

18:47

@Simon Nurd

kalina

I'm not sure that's even an insult

Simon

nurd life

@kalina No but your face is.

Rоry McCune

@Simon have you seen the "thug life" meme on Youtube...

kalina

I'm bored of @Simon, I'm going to put him on ignore until he's less boring

Simon

@RоryMcCune Which one?

Rоry McCune

18:48

@Simon there's loads... one example (NSFW youtube.com/watch?v=ei7pz6axpxg)

kalina

brilliant idea!

Simon

pls kalinuh

Yeah, can't really browse NSFW right now.

kalina

play your lead riff with multiple identical instruments each playing individual notes, so you can easily route all of your riff sounds and have unique delays on each note

Rоry McCune

basically put cute kids swearing to gangsta rap

==win

kalina

those kids are all going to grow up to be valuable members of society

they should be issued beatings in the name of god because god hates little kids who misbehave

at least that's where my hatred of religion comes from, anyway

Simon

18:51

do u even god

pls I'm not a god.

kalina

whatever, I'm so bored, I don't even want to bash on Simon in chat

Simon

dang it I didn't get enough time to read the 2nd one.

David Freitag

@Simon Something about reproductive organs or something

kalina

I am actually just going to go and do something else instead

rather than repeatedly state how bored I am

have fun

Rоry McCune

@kalina o/

Simon

18:57

@DavidFreitag Sounds interesting.

TildalWave

-1

Q: How long does it take to crack 64 digits of 0 and 1

How long does it take to crack 64 bit of raw data. With 64 bit I mean 64 digits of 0 or 1. Also give some mathematical explanation.

cracking

Why down vote?? — tor 1 min ago

Simon

why foreign???????

David Freitag

Why breathing.

Ohnana

print it out and shred the paper

bruteforce!

David Freitag

19:12

@Ohnana I was thinking etch it into stone and "crack" it with a large hammer.

Ohnana

forreal though, I'm usually good at interpreting wargarble, but that's out of my league

actually, wait

I think I understand

TildalWave

> If you can edit the question as per Tildal's comments, we may be able to reopen this – Rory Alsop ♦ 2 mins ago

Ohnana

ficken

"how long would it take to guess a 64-character long string of 1's and 0's?" That's just a simple math question.

i was about to comment

TildalWave

hahaha @RoryAlsop :)

Simon

#rory

TildalWave

19:15

he didn't wanna edit as per my comment and rather deleted it

Ohnana

@ThomasPornin someone has invoked your name in a question: security.stackexchange.com/questions/79275/…

Simon

@Ohnana Take a second to look at his profile picture.

Ohnana

@Simon it's a headshot

what of it

Simon

Sigh.

You decide of the interpretation, boi.

Ohnana

@Simon seeing as he's wearing traditional garb and posts on mi yodea I'm going to make a wild guess and say he's jewish

Simon

19:19

That's wild.

David Freitag

@Simon You're wild.

Simon

Thanks boi.

David Freitag

My music is starting to get boring.

raz

Someone's poking the bear

2

Q: Are humans a strong or weak RNG?

Thomas Pornin has stated in the past on multiple occasions (I'm not going to source them, he can argue with me if he wants) that humans are bad RNGs. While I agree that human RNG for password generation in the mind is abysmal usually, I wanted to ask if human-aided RNG by a computer is equally a...

random

David Freitag

@raz five minutes late there man

Ohnana

19:23

@raz did it first

neener neener

raz

Mine showed up inside the box, I win.

Ohnana

NUHUH

hmm that looks strange without the hyphen

David Freitag

@raz Yeah but at least @Ohnana had the thought to ping him.

raz

This is true.

TildalWave

@raz Oh dear, I sense an electric storm forming somewhere over Canada :)

Simon

19:25

@DavidFreitag play.google.com/music/m/Tu2venrmb5woumtmratwtrpasvi

raz

@TildalWave I like lightning!

Simon

Can our -20 C be stormless, please?

David Freitag

@Simon Have you made any playlists on all access?

Simon

@DavidFreitag Nope.

I own pretty much everything I listen to.

David Freitag

@Simon :[

Simon

19:26

I end up buying everything.

raz

Because you support the music you like.

Simon

Absolutely.

David Freitag

The way I see it is if I didn't have all access I'd be torrenting everything.

Ohnana

i'm a pandora casual

David Freitag

I really don't want to do that.

Ohnana

19:27

also proximity's youtube channel

David Freitag

@Simon Not a fan

TildalWave

@raz I can't decide if you were hit by one, would that be a good or a bad thing?

:P

(note tho that I might have thought I'm replying to @Simon and only realized it's not the donut once I hit enter)

raz

@TildalWave hahaha, thanks for confusing the two of us.

TildalWave

@raz oh I didn't, I just ... oh, never mind ... age, optics, things like that

David Freitag

@raz You must feel very insulted right now. Have a donut

TildalWave

19:35

it's not my fault your replies are stacked in a donut sandwich

David Freitag

@TildalWave Giggity.

Simon

@DavidFreitag :'(

@TildalWave I'd become a supercharged donut! Wow!

David Freitag

@Simon I like my hardstyle to have a nice nougaty melody buried within it.

Simon

Oh.

I like Rawstyle too so yeah,

David Freitag

Rawstyle? That... sounds painful.

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raz

19:40

@DavidFreitag If only I could actually get a donut through the screen...

David Freitag

@raz There's a 3D printer for that

raz

@DavidFreitag I feel like that should be a tshirt.

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag that's sexist!

Simon

That's racist!

kalina

oh

raz

19:43

That's fascist!

David Freitag

...wat

kalina

no, nevermind, a thought popped into my head and then... popped and vanished

TildalWave

bubbles!!

raz

@kalina Popped into your head, then pushed out?

David Freitag

@Tildal I'm not sure what you've taken, but I wonder if you wouldn't mind sharing.

Ohnana

19:45

3d printers are literally mao, pol pot and stalin all at the same time

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag There's a 3D printer for that too

Hey, thinking of it, how are espresso machines not 3D printers?

David Freitag

@TildalWave They aren't they just spew dirty water into a cup

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag OK but they take some raw ingredients and spew out a drink ...

David Freitag

@TildalWave All I know is clean water goes in and something resembling mud comes out the other end. No thank you.

TildalWave

Yeah but you're a mercan what would you know about good coffee anyway?

David Freitag

19:51

I just told you what I know about it

TildalWave

that's what they tell you about it you donut! :)

David Freitag

The very scent of coffee in any form is nauseating.

TildalWave

kids these days!

Simon

@DavidFreitag Brennan Heart <3

That track is quite insane.

Xander

@DavidFreitag That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. All of the people I know who hate coffee still love the scent.

David Freitag

19:53

@Xander I can't even go near the aisle that has coffee in it

Xander

@DavidFreitag Interesting. Well, to each his own.

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag but you don't mind the smell of baking PCBs? :O

David Freitag

@TildalWave Baking PCBs makes no scent at all. Unless you burn one. Then the paint gets eaten off the walls

Simon

I like to bake donuts.

David Freitag

►

mmmmmh 'dat song.

TildalWave

19:58

@DavidFreitag Well I can definitely smell even fresh printed PCBs, but I guess that's down to each individual's smell acuity

David Freitag

@TildalWave It depends on what kind of solder/paste you use and your reflow profile and a bunch of other things. I use really good quality lead free no clean solder paste that produces no smell

Unless you mean the actual fabrication process. I don't fabricate I assemble.

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag No I meant the soldering. There's always some vapor even off metals. I guess not everyone can smell that. Then again, I can smell when some meat was dyed even, can't stand it, and those are supposed to be scentless.

Simon

@DavidFreitag mainstream :(

David Freitag

@Simon That doesn't really matter to me. It sounds damn good that is all I care about.

@TildalWave I have come to enjoy the smell of soldering. Especially the kester flux I use. It smells like walnuts.

TildalWave

BTW I can tell you which office uses laser printers and which one inkjets by smell alone.

Ohnana

20:08

@TildalWave lasers have a very distinctive smell. i've found inkjets to have a more earthy, watery smell.

TildalWave

yes

David Freitag

I'm usually too busy working to smell the things around the office.

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag i babysat printers for 6 months in my old it job

raz

"Too busy working to smell things." It takes work to smell something?

Ohnana

the tiny unventilated room reeked of laser printer. It was like being in a mechanical jungle

hot, humid and oppressive

David Freitag

20:10

that makes me think of Office Space

Simon

@Ohnana You're hot, humid and oppressive.

Ohnana

@Simon thanks for noticing

David Freitag

@Simon Giggity?

Simon

Giggity.

Ohnana

i second the motion for giggity

David Freitag

20:12

What about this one @Simon? youtube.com/…

Simon

@DavidFreitag Badass classic.

David Freitag

:]

My EDM playlist has grown since you last saw it.

@Simon In case you get bored. I like to shuffle it, there's just over 20 hours in there so far. play.google.com/music/playlist/…

Simon

Cheers boi.

wild wild west lulz track

THERE'S NOWHERE YOU CAN HIDE IN DA WILD WILD WEST

Ohnana

man I have to buy all those songs to listen

muh sads

Simon

Code Black - Pandora

dat anti qlimax

David Freitag

20:18

Most of those were discovered through "I'm feeling lucky" playlists

Currently listening to the Defqon1 2014 anthem.

Ohnana

i snagged steve aoki's album when it was free tho

i think it's still free actually

David Freitag

I need new pants :[

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag my EDM playlist basically starts and stops with Turn down for what at the moment :op

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune Never heard it

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag D J Snake - turn down for what... huh I thought that was quite a popular track..

David Freitag

20:25

@RоryMcCune Yeah but you are talking to the guy who lives under a rock at the bottom of the ocean

Rоry McCune

NSFW + weird video... youtube.com/watch?v=HMUDVMiITOU

but a catchy track nonetheless

Ohnana

20:46

oh lawd

-2

Q: I installed Truecrypt 7.1 on Windows 8.1, all went well until I reboooted

I installed Truecrypt 7.1 on Windows 8.1, all went well until I reboooted. Now I have a black screen and one line of text saying: No bootable device ---Please restart system. I am at a loss. I need to boot my machine I need to access it... "the way it was". I only encryted 1 document on the...

boot windows-8.1 truecrypt

David Freitag

If Jeff is is easily scared by that screenshot, perhaps there is a market for geek horror movies. I'm thinking of classics like "Dawn of the Zombie Processes" or "The Texas Hard Disk Massacre". — Adrian Grigore Aug 25 '09 at 13:25

raz

@DavidFreitag Zero Day of the Dead Process

Iszi

21:03

Why is Meta.SU a migration option for us, instead of SU?

David Freitag

Well that's not good. I'm only getting 180KB/s transfer speed on my HDD...

Iszi

Oh, NM. I'm an idiot - I was actually on SU. WTF was I doing there?

David Freitag

either I've gotten too used to SSDs or something is wrong here.

Xander

21:30

Just finished a new client call. Disaster mitigation. Dear non-criminal lawyers: STOP GIVING CRIMINAL LAW ADVICE TO CLIENTS AND FRIENDS.

Tweeted by Popehat on January 15, 2015 at 9:14 PM

That tweet reminds me of how amusingly futile all of the IANAL advice on the Internet is. If actual lawyers (who aren't criminal lawyers) can't get it right...

AviD

21:44

@Xander I thought all lawyers were criminal.

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