The DMZ

M.S.E

06:36

hey people

I got a question. And I thought I would ask it on the chat :) Nowadays Facebook allow the feature of not displaying your email address to other friends and users of Facebook, so why does a strong password matter? If they don't know the email ID, and Assuming that I don't tell anyone my email ID, how can someone hack my Facebook account just by guessing the password ?

It happens in stackexchange too that others don't really see the email address, for example I can't see any of you guys email address. So how will I be able to even think of hacking?

I don't understand why people fuss about strong passwords, if they just use an email ID that no one uses ??? And specially stack exchange most people don't put their real names and no one knows who the other person is in real life. So why is strong passwords encouraged ?

tylerl

06:55

Yeah, there are certain questions that I just don't want to attempt to answer. Especially not in chat.

Stack Exchange

For $5 I promise not to orchestrate this situation, and for $25 I promise not to take further advantage of this ability to create incentives.

2

AviD

08:56

@TildalWave ahh yeah, right, the first time @RoryAlsop came to visit here.

Lighty

'g mornin'

AviD

IS IT?? IS IT REALLY??

@tylerl because, at least in this case, its not about "answering" a specific question, but re-educating from the lowest basics?

Disabusing someone of an imagined notion is incredibly hard and not very rewarding.

@StackExchange LOL the tooltip is even better. -> what happens when a slightly asperger engineer meets ethics.

> Shoot the baby! Shoot the baby!!

4

kalina

09:33

don't shoot the baby

AviD

its from a book

but I am glad to hear you say that

though I am worried what alternatives you have in mind

kalina

I was merely playing on don't kick the baby

AviD

that too is "kick the baby"

kalina

not if you're Ike it isn't

AviD

huh, just checked, and the baby does in fact always say "dont kick the baby"

never noticed that

"don't kick the goddamn baby"

Rory Alsop

09:39

Morning!

Additionally, Ike rocks!

Lighty

@RoryAlsop 'G morning gandalf

Rory Alsop

I like that

Despite not having a moustache, beard, long hair, a cloak, or in fact any magical abilities

Lighty

atleast the age is something similar

:D

AviD

kalina

@RoryAlsop you don't have a wizard hat and cloak?

AviD

09:44

@kalina @RoryAlsop you don't?? Gee your sex life is weird.

Rory Alsop

I have the hat...

@Avid - xkcd whatif is good

kalina

the hat is not enough

Rory Alsop

Nice

Rоry McCune

@kalina old school

AviD

@RoryAlsop yes. are you referring to something specific?

Rоry McCune

09:45

knowyourmeme.com/memes/robe-and-wizard-hat

^ for those that don't spend their lives on the Internet

kalina

@RоryMcCune and who in this channel would that be?

oh, I guess... me

Rory Alsop

Rоry McCune

@kalina pphhbbt

AviD

@RоryMcCune I... umm.... would you believe I've never heard that?

Rory Alsop

@AviD really?

kalina

09:48

I know, it really breaks the dynamics with me not being on the internet 24/7 doesn't it

AviD

now that is scary, I naturally adopt the memes before I'd heard of them.

kalina

suddenly I can claim I'm awesome and there is enough time that I'm not on chat that it could be legit

AviD

@RoryAlsop its funny

but first time I'd heard of that

kalina

@AviD I'm sorry, this isn't possible

Rоry McCune

blog.dnsimple.com/2014/12/incident-report-ddos <-- on an unrelated note interesting set of risks here. DNS provider taken out 'cause they took on a customer who was already experiencing a DDoS attack.

AviD

09:52

@kalina scout's honour

did find this though

kalina

The Scouts hold negative reputation levels with... oooh ponies

AviD

cuz I know you like ponies

kalina

I am so over MLP

I haven't seen any of the recent ones

due to being busy

.

but more importantly, I haven't even downloaded them as though I had the intention to watch them

The Scouts hold a negative reputation level with me, Scouts' honour means nothing.

AviD

uhh you know thats an expression, right?

I was never in the scouts

too lazy

kalina

it's people like you that give The Scouts a negative reputation level with me.

AviD

09:55

ha

kalina

that and them being an exclusively male only subgroup of society

further exacerbated by the fact the female version is named something stupid like the beavers or the cupcakes or some shit

AviD

hurhurhur, beavers

kalina

what are you, like 12?

AviD

okay @RоryMcCune that meme is funny. it linked to bloodninja.org, hysterical.

Iszi

10:18

@kalina Where the heck are you from? 'Round here, we just call them Girl Scouts.

kalina

I'm from earth

Iszi

@AviD Interestingly, I was somewhat aware of it but didn't know it was an actual meme. Stumbled across it awhile back on bash.org though: bash.org/?104383

Come to think of it, why am I just now wondering why bash.org has nothing to do with Bourne Again Shell?

AviD

okay damn that IS funny

kalina

@Iszi you are a bit late with that

bash.org is nearly as old as I am

talk about delayed reactions

fat neurons must have kept that thought trapped in your brain

Iszi

@kalina Oh, no. I've known about bash.org for many years. I'm just now coming around to wondering why it's an IRC log dumping ground instead of homepage for the bash shell.

Haha. This is currently #2. Oldie but a goodie. Sad that we all probably know from personal experience there's people out there who actually would fall for this. bash.org/?244321

Another classic. Been through this once or twice, but in more enterprise-level sorts of situations - which just makes it more sad. bash.org/?5273

AviD

10:29

@Iszi at a previous job we lost the Root CA.

literally.

And, since it was off (during regular operations we only used the IntermediateCA, the RootCA itself was off for reasons), we couldnt ping it or locate it in any way.

Iszi

@AviD You mean, like permanently? WTF? How do you just lose a CA?

AviD

and time came to renew the intermediate's certificate....

Iszi

Know what? I give up on posting these. Just too much good stuff to be flooding chat with all of it. Have a look around here for yourselves. bash.org/?top Enjoy.

AviD

@Iszi it's not like you need to use it often. Recommendation given at the time was to only use the Intermediate CA, and shut the Root down for protection (amongst other things). Big server room, many computers....

Iszi

@AviD But, I mean... You never found it?

AviD

10:32

@Iszi hmm... If I remember correctly, they redid the PKI completely. Then found it in a corner a couple months later.

but I might be confusing the sequence of events.

kalina

In the event of zombie apocalypse, activate the SPLAT protocols

Iszi

@AviD Right, because it would have totally made more sense for them to redo the PKI after they finally found the Root CA?

kalina

SPLAT FOREVER

AviD

@Iszi well no, obviously, but the PKI was re-done there a couple of times anyway.

baaad integrators.

on the upside, I did get a first row seat to PKI implementation.

multiple times.

and got to learn aaaall about common mistakes when deploying PKI.

Iszi

Heh.

So, I said I wasn't going to be sharing any more of these but this one actually made me LOL. I've surely read it a dozen times or so over the years, but it's still that awesome.

> <Locl-Yocl> I helped the EMTs at a car wreck and got blood all over my arms and shirt. It looked like I murdered 20 people with a fork... anyway, I walked into a convieniance store down the street and said my girlfriend needs a tampon. The guy at the counter was mortified.

bash.org/?412248

AviD

10:44

btw, damn you @Iszi, I got stuff to do today.

Iszi

@AviD Oh, yeah. Did I forget to mention that site's a total productivity killer?

kalina

guys

I am blaming you for my relapse

I hope you all take it very seriously and feel ashamed

Journeyman Geek

hmm.

No.

kalina

oh, ok then

at least a little remorse?

I'm sure that some of you feel a little remorse just by me being here at all

AviD

that's not remorse we're feeling.

kalina

10:49

oh

you can never just say you're happy to see me, can you?

AviD

no, that actually IS a rabbit in my pocket

kalina

what?!

AviD

I borrowed it from my neighbors

needed a free hand

kalina

you put a rabbit in your pocket?

AviD

seriously?

Journeyman Geek

10:52

I don't feel remorse or regret. And yes, that's a oven timer in my pocket.

Iszi

@AviD Dude, a rabbit? Don't their teeth get in the way?

kalina

I didn't even mean happy to see me like that

AviD

whaaa?

kalina

I merely meant my presence isn't causing you any upset

I guess i'm destined to be forever alone

AviD

> "So, is that a rabbit in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"

Sorry, couldnt find the clip :-(

Rory Alsop

10:57

@kalina oh - I was on reddit/r/wtf and saw an MLP tattoo that was entirely NSFW. I had to forward the link to a friend of mine who is really into MLP. She was not amused.

@kalina Scouts aren't male only though. Which was nice when I was in the Scouts in the Falklands. Numbers were pretty even for most activities - driving tanks, sleeping in submarines, jumping out of helicopters etc

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop I can't ever hear MLP without thinking More London Place, confused me the first couple of times I came across the term in the pony based sense of it

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune me too, to be honest :-)

kalina

I've forgotten how to do unicode hearts and musical notes

it's sad googling them

casualties of not internetting

it's like playing an FPS for the first time in years, online against people who play all the time

and suddenly you realise you can't aim and your reactions are measured in seconds

Rory Alsop

11:15

@kalina I hear ya

kalina

and then somebody who obviously lives in his parents basement with milk bottle bottoms for glasses and spots all over his face starts making derogatory comments over voice comms

because, why not

AviD

hey now, thats prejudiced

kalina

so, sue me

AviD

need for glasses is largely influenced by genetics

he might not need glasses at all

kalina

in which case he's obviously a hipster

which is worse

AviD

11:20

ha

then of course, there is this

►

kalina

I'm going to regret clicking this, aren't I

Rоry McCune

@AviD DUDE, what did we say about no college humour during the working day!!

AviD

@kalina heh, only if you dont have time for collegehumor

@RоryMcCune heehee, seeeeee?

kalina

I don't have time for collegehumour

I'm going to go and play Battlefield 4 for a bit

I haven't reached my being abused quota for the day

youtubes view counters were 32 bit ints

gangnam style has >2147483647 views

AviD

wat

now that is a ridiculous waste of accumulative time

kalina

11:30

exactly

2,147,483,647 views / 872 days = 2,462,711 views per day (102,613 per hour, 1,710 per second)

4m12s * 2,147,483,647 views = 9,019,431,317 minutes (150,323,855 hours, 6,263,494 days, 17,160 years)

my faith in humanity...

granted, I'd be awfully proud if one of my tracks broke youtube.

AviD

wow. If @RoryAlsop were to watch that much, he wouldnt even have much time left over.

Rory Alsop

@kalina does that count watching the full thing or even just a quick 2 second view

kalina

unique page impressions over time, surely?

AviD

so hey, is anybody here familiar with 4GL?

the programming language

kalina

yes

AviD

11:38

of which there, apparently, several.

kalina

yes, because "4GL" is merely a category

AviD

it is also the name of a programming language.

several, actually.

kalina

so is your face

my boredom is escalating as I come to the realisation that this week has turned into nothing but chatting on the internet

Rоry McCune

@AviD I always thought of 4GL as a generic term to define so called 4th generation languages. usually used as a marketing thing to get people to believe they are getting something new and improved...

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune Wasn't 4GL the graphics programming language?

@kalina definitely

kalina

11:47

that's opengl

Rory Alsop

@kalina (I know - I was being silly)

I have too many OpenGL manuals on my bookshelf

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop well it's not the same as 4L I now know, after a google typo, which is apparently a south Korean girl group

kalina

no doubt you still have that tab open

Rоry McCune

@kalina actually no, I corrected it and went to the wikipedia page on 4GL

Fourth-generation programming language

A fourth-generation programming language (4GL) is a computer programming language envisioned as a refinement of the style of languages classified as third-generation programming language (3GL). Each of the programming language generations aims to provide a higher level of abstraction of the internal computer hardware details, making the language more programmer-friendly, powerful and versatile. While the definition of 4GL has changed over time, it can be typified by operating more with large collections of information at once rather than focus on just bits and bytes. Languages claimed to be 4GL...

kalina

colour me shocked

Rоry McCune

11:52

@kalina you're already pink

kalina

is pink the colour of shocked

?

AviD

@RоryMcCune oh definitely. But apparently some of them wanted to be unique so they chose the completely-non-generic name of "4GL".

kalina

what are everybody's opinions on the "right to be forgotten"

AviD

absolutely. there are just some things that are wrong to remember.

like @Simon.

Dammit!

Rory Alsop

@kalina in principle I can see some reasonable use cases, but it is entirely open to abuse

kalina

11:58

the reasonable use cases are so limited that the abuse is going to occur more frequently than legitimate use, though

AviD

okay I dont know what you guys are talking about

did I miss an important tweet or something?

kalina

did you know that while wikipedia are begging you for money, they're sat on a 60 mil stockpile of cash running through swiss bank accounts?

AviD

snopes or it didnt happen

kalina

snopes?

Ninefingers

@AviD Absolutely. It was the best tweet I have ever seen.

AviD

12:00

@Ninefingers oh hello you!

kalina

I wonder if I should log into my twitter account and post a link of my stack exchange account

"it's me \o/ I was the kalina all along!"

AviD

whats to stop someone else from doing that and claiming all the glory?

BOOM I just did it

err, umm, I mean you did

before you know it there will be HUNDREDS of twitter accounts claiming to be the real kalina

Ninefingers

@AviD #imspartacus

AviD

#weareallbrian

Rory Alsop

@AviD #andsosmywife

Ninefingers

12:04

@AviD Ok you win.

AviD

oh maaan. I was trying to create a bogus twitter account named "TheRealKalina". Turns out it was already taken.

twitter.com/TheRealKalina

Ninefingers

@AviD Go for ReallyTheRealKalina

AviD

probably one of you clowns, just quicker on the mouse finger.

TildalWave

morning ± lazy hours

Lucas Kauffman

not sure if I destroyed the clients app or if they are having performance issues

AviD

12:06

that's what she said (sort of)

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman the enternal web app tester question

AviD

heh @RoryAlsop just noticed something interesting - total flags handled by mods is a Geometric progression

TildalWave

@LucasKauffman oh lord have you been fuzzing out of the sandbox again!?

AviD

approximately

Lucas Kauffman

@TildalWave Active Scanner in Burp :3

on just three forms though :(

Ninefingers

12:09

@AviD Is that a subtle way to say Rory needs to handle more flags?

AviD

@Ninefingers oh no, he is in the lead.

by far

twice as many as me, in fact

but I already said that, didnt I

TildalWave

@LucasKauffman hehe it's gonna be a looong report :)

AviD

@TildalWave TWSS

Ninefingers

@AviD Ahhhh :)

TildalWave

@AviD thanks :)

Ninefingers

12:20

So.... I see a starred song on the right

what.... happened?

Lucas Kauffman

@Ninefingers I made a career switch

@Ninefingers I dress up these days and make songs

@Ninefingers My stagename is Lorde

Ninefingers

@LucasKauffman I see

@LucasKauffman How is this new direction going?

Lucas Kauffman

@Ninefingers Actually quite good, I made some very popular songs

►

What makeup,photoshop and some CGI can't do

AviD

she scares me

Ninefingers

@AviD That's no way to talk about Lucas' new career!

AviD

12:25

O.M.G. I just realized..... @kalina is Lorde!!

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD nah, Lorde is Canadian, @Kalina isn't apologizing enough to be Canadian

AviD

thats why she doesnt want us to know, shes embarrassed.

oof, LinkedIn doesnt have revision history.

raz

ya ya ya, I am Lorde

AviD

@raz @kalina wrong account, that's your sockpuppet

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman prefer this version

►

^ this is apparently Lorde's favourite cover

AviD

12:35

funny, I'd heard that one before (thanks to you, ofc) but not the original till now

Rоry McCune

@AviD there's a load of modern music that I've only heard 'cause of Scott Bradlee

AviD

yknow that feeling when you see somebody that used to work for you, years ago, and just barely - cuz he was mediocre at best (and borderline incompetent) - and discover that he has some ridiculously senior position in a big respected company? And you can't help but wonder "WTF?"

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD no, not yet, not old enough I guess

AviD

I mean, I did my best to mentor the hell out of him, but I have no illusions that I was able to transform him into somebody that could conceivably do a halfway decent job in such a position, or that he would be able to grow that much in such few years....

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD the question is if he's still doing the same, I had a colleague who sucked at his job and then transfered to another department and discipline in which he kicked ass

AviD

12:40

@LucasKauffman umm.... no, I wasnt talking about you, of course not..... awwwwkwaaard

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD guess you did :p

AviD

naw man, t'wasnt me. I cant take credit (or blame) for that one.

then there are those who you just know will do well, even if they are lacking enough experience right now.

those are great to watch.

damn I'm feeling old

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD it's not just feeling though!

AviD

ha! yay, my nasty letter of complaint to the insurance company the other day seems to be working. one of the dev managers there just viewed my LinkedIn profile :-)

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD what complaint was it

Rоry McCune

12:45

@AviD hey I know how to solve that, just taunt @RoryAlsop for his ancientness :)

AviD

@RоryMcCune hehehe

@LucasKauffman that their site sucks ass

Lucas Kauffman

The other day I noticed that my bank only offers request for information for a certain department through fax ...

@AviD most do

Rоry McCune

@AviD I'd say taunt me but on the adjusted version of real age = calendar age +(children x 5) I'm younger than you :)

AviD

no no, this was beyond that.

Ninefingers

@RоryMcCune Children adjust your age? Hahahaa

Rоry McCune

12:47

@Ninefingers hell yeah, level of stress is worth at least 5 years per kid :)

AviD

"IE6 only".... worse password policies than most... then they send me a doc showing in great detail how to lower my browser's security level so the site works.... and other 1998 stuff that I dont remember

@RоryMcCune heh, true.... well we're close enough anyway

Ninefingers

@AviD are you obliged to use them? If not...

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD do they have a European subsidiary

Ninefingers

@RоryMcCune Ok, taking notes now

AviD

@Ninefingers I've always said how old you are is not about your age, its about how many kids you have.

Rоry McCune

12:49

@AviD IE6 only should be banned by now for financial websites!

AviD

@Ninefingers I have some ancient pension there for a long time...

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD if so you can throw in the privacy law which will get voted which can lead up to penalties to 5% of global revenue if they're not protecting your personal data well enough

@RоryMcCune I reviewed apps written in VB 5.5...

AviD

@RоryMcCune and note its not additive, it's multiplicative

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman shudder

AviD

@RоryMcCune tell me about it. OFFICIAL NOTICE that chrome/FF dont work, and IE 9/10/11 dont either unless ...

@LucasKauffman oh they are already in violation of the local regulations. I pointed this out to them.

Lucas Kauffman

12:51

@AviD yep, had an assessment on that type of app as well, was a bitch to get an older browser set up

AviD

thats probably the only thing that got their attention.

@LucasKauffman I wrote apps in VB 3.

kalina

@AviD you know that I'm not going to confirm this, right?

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD back when you were 16?

AviD

@LucasKauffman nope

in mah twernties

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD back when you were 26?

Ninefingers

12:53

@kalina The traditional answer is "I can neither confirm nor deny that..."

kalina

yes, that's what I meant

AviD

@LucasKauffman hmmm... actually pretty close to that, yeah

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD what insurance company is this?

if I can ask ofc

Ninefingers

Or "It is long standing policy that I do not comment on my musical career, but all music is subject to strict oversight (well sort of - see the X factor) to ensure it is necessary and proportionate"

AviD

@LucasKauffman local Israeli one

Ninefingers

12:55

@AviD Was that before 32-bit VB?

Oh man!

AviD

@Ninefingers uhh yeah.... ? :-$

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD their dev manager will now get booted for doing fuck all in development for 10 years :p

AviD

@LucasKauffman oh please. the whole place is barely in the 20th century.

I've consulted to them many years ago, I dont doubt that nothing has changed

it used to be we would review some of their main systems once a year.

and, shockingly, nothing had changed from year to year

tbf most of the insurance companies here are sucky with tech and infosec - this morning I had to explain to one why "My mother's maiden name" is NOT a good form of authentication - but this one was just worser.

Ninefingers

@kalina It's okay. We know Lorde is @LucasKauffman anyway :)

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman ahhhh ha ha ha. Alternatively he's wanted to for ages and management don't think they need to spend on updates which add no functionality 'cause that wasn't in the original project budget (it almost never is)

I remember seeing an insurance system after 2010 that used a .BAT file on the website as a kind of ersatz CGI script

Ninefingers

12:59

@AviD My fav is explaining to telephone people how my mother's maiden name is in fact e5$1xs@{}

AviD

@RоryMcCune yeah, this is more likely. Eve more likelier is that he is not competent enough to know that.

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