The DMZ

Lucas Kauffman

01:43

@AviD oooh I forgot about that. Tickets are massively expensive no?

@AviD Tickets are 400 euro, visitor passes (just access to the keynotes) is free

@AviD I'm just over here for holidays

TildalWave

02:36

Is this spam, or just a misguided member?

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A: Can I use a single SSL cert on two different servers?

All ssl certificates can be installed on multiple server, however many ssl suppliers ask for additional server license cost. Don't know why but simple logic is money. SSL certificates are issued for domain names, not for server. Does not matter you install ssl on single server on multiple, just m...

(I flagged as spam regardless)

@LucasKauffman one question,... you, as a lama fan ... how do you get by with the chewing gum prohibition?

And WTF is going on with Wiki today? 'tis the 2nd time I noticed it down

Either that, or I'm being MiTM-ed ...

was just DNS cache

Also, @Lucas did you already verify @Terry's gender? :D

Terry Chia

@AviD Nope. I don't have tickets. Isn't the RSA con a pretty vendor-y type of con?

TildalWave

@TerryChia well they'll also have an expo so ... yes

rsaconference.com/events/ap14

Terry Chia

@TildalWave He already verified the last time he visited.

TildalWave

02:52

@TerryChia oh yes I forgot he's not there for the first time

Still, it's Singapore, might be worth re-verifying :))

blimey that con has 8 main tracks

like my old Denon DAT

Lucas Kauffman

03:12

@TildalWave I don't chew gum here simple as that :p

@TildalWave I did last time

@TildalWave In fact he is a indeed a giant ear with a purple background, who'd have guesed that

TildalWave

hahaha I just noticed he's still using that xmas gravatar lol

Terry Chia

@TildalWave It's Christmas all year round.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia is the weather here during the winter the same?

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Slightly rainier but yeah, almost the same.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia have you ever seen snow then in real life :O?

Terry Chia

03:21

@LucasKauffman Yes but not in Singapore.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia I kind of figured that you wouldn't see too much snow here :P

skullpatrol

06:59

@AviD did you suspend me on world cup sunday?

TildalWave

@skullpatrol Nope, but your invites to The Clubhouse were flagged and processed as spam in some other chat room and auto-suspension kicked in.

I'd suggest you next time explain what The Clubhouse is in chats of other sites, I must admit I also needed a minute to realize that's Sports main chat and that I've actually been there before LOL

how long does this auto-suspension last anyway?

Adnan

07:20

@TildalWave Eternity.

Hopefully

TildalWave

@Adnan Huh? Why? What did I miss?

Or you just hate football so much?

Rоry McCune

Always said Netware 3 was the best

skullpatrol

@TildalWave must be an Argentina fan ;-)

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune LOL Netware ... whatever became of Novell? They still exist?

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave yeah a bit, they were bough by attachmate a while back

Adnan

07:25

@TildalWave + everybody and everything

Rоry McCune

@Adnan see this is why you should drink coffee

TildalWave

@Adnan Blimey why

Adnan

@RоryMcCune Never liked the taste, the effect, or the aftermath.

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune ah... he's grumpy in the mornings?

Adnan

@TildalWave I don't know. That's just me in general.

Rоry McCune

07:27

@Adnan well for the taste you can try vanilla lattes @RoryAlsop didn't like coffee till then :)

Adnan

@TildalWave Ah! How dare you!! Ask @RоryM and @Marion. I'm delightful in the mornings!

TildalWave

@Adnan hey I just asked

skullpatrol

ya, lighten up...some people like soccer

TildalWave

"some people" is usually the crappiest excuse there is

some people like to pour a gallon of gasoline on them and light a match

doesn't mean I'll like it any more myself because they do

Adnan

@skullpatrol I watched 1.8 games this world cup.

skullpatrol

07:30

@TildalWave that's called napalm, and the smell of it in the morning smells like victory

TildalWave

no, that's called suicide by setting oneself on fire, it doesn't smell pleasant and there's nothing to win with it

why?

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune still don't like coffee, but I like vanilla

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah exactly you can make coffee taste like anything, while still getting the effects of coffee :)

TildalWave

frankly, if I lived in UK (or US for the matter), I wouldn't like coffee either

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave I dislike Turkish coffee more than the stuff we get here...

@skullpatrol - please follow chat guidelines.

skullpatrol

07:46

yes, sir

Rory Alsop

and gonnae no troll

:-)

skullpatrol

my apologies

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop nooo not Turkish coffee that's already the final level before the boss fight ... but a proper macchiato like it should be, that's almost like taking a nibble of a tiramisu cake multiplied by ten on the orgasmic scale

Rory Alsop

no worries. This chat room is actually pretty chatty (as you can see from the list of usual topics up at the right) but certain topics are guaranteed to upset, annoy or inflame so it's easiest to leave those

@TildalWave I reckon when I go to Italy, I will either annoy the cafe owners, or I just won't drink coffee there.

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop Have you ever had Pocket Coffee candy?

Rory Alsop

07:50

I managed to go 2 weeks in spain with no coffee (or cola) and didn't even notice. No headaches or anything

@TildalWave nope - but not a huge fan of candy either. (I exclude chocolate from 'candy' as it is the 2nd best food group in the world)

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop those are chocolate with a really sweet but strong coffee liquid center

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave oooh - coffee chocolates are good

TildalWave

there you go, that's all I wanted to know

you're gonna love proper macchiatos

just don't fock it up with latte or stevia crap

Rory Alsop

ok - in that case I will try macchiato. Just not at the starbucks on my floor here.

kalina

@RoryAlsop a troll was trolling in the DMZ?

colour me surprised

@TildalWave chocolate != candy

candy is like bon bons

TildalWave

07:55

@RoryAlsop that starbucks macchiato is like ... dunno, is there a comparison?

you be the judge

kalina

toblerone != candy

@TildalWave aside from the involuntary dribbling, they're chocolates

also I hate you for inputting the signal to eat chocolate for breakfast

Rory Alsop

@kalina I agree, but then, I am British

TildalWave

we call those bonbons here

AviD

@LucasKauffman probably, no clue - if I was there, I would get in free! :D

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave The downside is we just have a lot of starbucks franchises in each of our offices (4 in my building alone) so through the day they are the easy option. The better options are the Illy round the corner, and a very good coffee shop at the bottom of the road

kalina

07:58

@TildalWave really?

bon bons by definition aren't made entirely of chocolate

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave to me a bonbon is a boiled sweet, or other 100% sugary confection

kalina

like these:

AviD

oh hang on, thats RSA - why did I think I was talking about AppSec... :S

TildalWave

@kalina I'm no expert actually, but yeah, I'd call them so, thus "we call them so" :))

kalina

well you're wrong

I hope you're happy with yourself

TildalWave

08:00

@RoryAlsop Illy should be pretty good, but I have no idea what coffee they make in their shops in UK, I simply made my own when I was there. Or even simpler, move directly to shots

@kalina hehehe I'm ... content, I guess

I actually don't care so much for sweets

I'd get a sweet tooth maybe once in a bluemoon

(which is about every 4 months)

IIRC

kalina

I have a sweet tooth 24/7/365

TildalWave

I can bake nice sweets tho, or so they tell me

kalina

in fact, an entire mouth full of them

2

@TildalWave your sweets bring all the girls to the yard

TildalWave

I like the sound of that. It's not necessarily true, but sounds good :)

kalina

coffee#3

I am going to wake up today even if I achieve it through brute force

TildalWave

08:08

in my house when someone is referring to "girls" they'd mean all our pets, they're all female (and my missus tells me it's my karma that they are, because most of them are ex strays)

as you can prolly imagine, it's not my baking skills they're most interested in

kalina

I want to go back to bed but based on the various nightmares I had lastnight I'd rather stay awake

it leads to a situation where I'm slouched at my desk in a state half way between awake and sleep

with a frequent coffee input

AviD

oo yeah I need some cofffeeeee

If I ever go back to working in a "regular" office again, they better have damn good coffee.

kalina

oh god

if I ever end up in a proper working environment again I'd die

AviD

Or I'll have them pay for my aeropress boutique single source fresh roasted packages.

@kalina Don't give @Adnan any ideas...!

kalina

08:23

"I'm sorry, I refuse to be in this environment without an Aeron chair, a tassimo machine and being allowed to get high on my lunch"

"also the PC you put on my desk needs to meet my minimum specification requirements otherwise I'll refuse to use it"

if I ever have to use a PC that has a mechanical disk in it again, it might be the event that makes me go on a murderous rampage

AviD

@kalina isnt that the way regular offices are...? :-O

wait whats a tassimo machine?

is that like some perverted sex toy?

again, about what I would expect at a normal office.

ah okay, googled it. looks better than the nesspresso machines that are popular here.

Lucas Kauffman

I think we have those Aeron chairs in the office

AviD

the indulgence and waste of the Big4. Shocking.

Lucas Kauffman

well they look like them

they were recently replaced

AviD

Aeros dont need to be replaced.

Lucas Kauffman

08:36

@AviD no the old ones were replaced with these

kalina

My home studio has more money spent on chairs and desks than on synths at the moment

Being comfortable is far more important than anything else

AviD

so I have a couch waiting to come into my office. However we havent been able to figure out how to get it in - too wide for the door, juuuust too wide for the window. even on an angle...

Terry Chia

@AviD Knock down the wall?

AviD

@TerryChia THIS IS REINFORCED CONCRETE AND STEEL.

it is designed to not be knocked down even if hit by a rocket. how do you propose we just flip the wall over to make room for a couch??

Rory Alsop

@AviD disassemble couch

feed in through door

Terry Chia

08:40

@AviD Use two rockets?

Rory Alsop

reassemble couch

simples

AviD

@RoryAlsop thought of that. but its one of those convertible couches - far too complicated for that.

@TerryChia TWSS!

kalina

Woo. My internet has gone down

My internet goes down more than I have recently

7

Rory Alsop

@kalina heh - recently

kalina

Don't "heh recently" at me

Lucas Kauffman

08:55

@kalina so that's what you do for a living :O

us all thinking it's music, but it's a different kind of flute

Terry Chia

@kalina You must understand that when @RoryAlsop says "recently", he can be referring to any time period from 1990 till today.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia you mean 1890

kalina

09:10

Sigh

Terry Chia

craftcms.stackexchange.com/questions

What the hell? How did that get into beta?

AviD

BETA ALL THE CMS'S!

don't you know each CMS is completely different from all the others?

@LucasKauffman you mean 890

Adnan

@TerryChia Nah, I think it's a joke

@AviD When are they gonna kill Tor.SE?

@kalina and that what is called in Finnish tähtihuora

Arperum

I haven't even heard of this craft CMS, what language does that thing even use?

Adnan

@Arperum PHP MySQL

Rory Alsop

09:21

@AviD you mean 89

BC

Arperum

@Adnan You mean Finnish has a word for "My internet goes down more frequently then I do."

@Adnan Because there aren't enough CMS's based on php out there yet?

FEichinger

@Arp There never are enough.

kalina

@RoryAlsop I am not embarrassed that I do such things

Arperum

@FEichinger Oh, right. php-dev.

One page in php is a page to much.

Adnan

There's an almost-non-alcoholic beer that I really like. It's called Fentimans Ginger Beer

Maan! It's fantastic!

Rory Alsop

09:30

@Adnan yes

this is true

Fentimans makes awesome drinks

I usually buy their tonic for my G&T's

AviD

@Adnan everything ginger is better

women, ale, sushi....

Adnan

Oh, @Avi

@RoryAlsop Indeed. I'm quite enjoying the newly revived art of botanical fermentation

Rory Alsop

@AviD ... Erik Tricity?

AviD

@RoryAlsop well he is the outgoing one in your group.... ;-)

Rory Alsop

true. 'most' outgoing

but is that 'better'?

AviD

09:34

Hey I'm still an introvert at heart, dont ask me.

kalina

@AviD yeah... me too

Ladadadada

09:57

Hey, do we want this question migrated?

-4

Q: What kind of ssh certificate does CentOS use by default?

I'm trying to obtain the login and password of a CentOS server. A client is connected to the server via ssh and I have already obtained the data they share with Wireshark, but of course the data are encrypted, so I need to know how the CentOS' default configuration works. Is it of 64, 128 o more ...

kalina

@Ladadadada why? Seems like a generic trivia question

Ladadadada

I don't think it's directly answerable but there's room for helping the guy learn something.

@kalina The question doesn't really even make sense.

kalina

so why would you want to migrate it?

HEY GUYS, DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD MIGRATE THIS REALLY BAD QUESTION TO SECURITY.SE? I THINK SUPER USER HAS TOO MANY REALLY BAD QUESTIONS ALREADY AND THEY SHOULD SHARE THE LURVE

2

Ladadadada

I don't necessarily want to migrate it. I'm asking if someone else here wants to put in the effort to turn it into a good question that's worth answering.

If no one does, I won't be migrating it.

kalina

Mmmm cake

FEichinger

10:03

"Don't migrate crap." Fix it first, or don't migrate.

kalina

Stating the obvious award goes to...

Rоry McCune

@FEichinger heh unlike what most large corps do ....

AviD

@RоryMcCune heh, nice.

FEichinger

@kalina I deemed it necessary.

Rоry McCune

huh, I didn't realise that Chrome certificate pinning is over-ridden by "user installed root certs", so essentially useless to block/detect employer mandated interception

deed02392

10:11

mornin

Adnan

@deed02392 So, what scanning tool are you here to ask about?

deed02392

well...

Rоry McCune

@Adnan harsh!

Adnan

@RоryMcCune So far, I've seen 3 times since he started. Login, ask, get answer, leave.

So, I'm actually being nice by asking.

Make things faster

Rоry McCune

@Adnan well ya know, just started at a new company, can't be seen on chat rooms all day :)

Adnan

10:14

@RоryMcCune Or, be seen on chat rooms all day and set the expectations there.

deed02392

thank you @RоryMcCune

@Adnan ¬_¬

Adnan

One day, you'll spend all of it being productive

Everybody will be shocked!

and you'll probably get a raise.

kalina

@RоryMcCune poor you, still being a subscriber to the daily grind at your age...

Rоry McCune

@kalina I was talking about @deed02392 :op I'm sat at home looking out of the window at the beautiful scenery

kalina

poor him, still being a subscriber to the daily grind at his age

Adnan

10:15

@RоryMcCune You and your beautiful amazing scenery.

deed02392

yeah @kalina, it's me who's commuting 4 hours a day with nothing but a car park to see out the window

to be fair, at least this office has windows. wasn't always that lucky at BAE

Adnan

@deed02392 Also, take it easy, buddy. Just winding you up a little. You know more than anybody that everybody here, including me, is more than happy to help.

Rоry McCune

@Adnan BTW have you seen my sisters photos on flickr ? flickr.com/photos/39495096@N04 she has a load of good ones of the wildlife and the area

deed02392

haha I know @Adnan

anyway, I don't have any tool suggestions, I'm just here cos I like you guys

Rоry McCune

@deed02392 don't you have like arcade machines and XBoxes too?

Adnan

10:16

@RоryMcCune Whoa!!

kalina

@deed02392 poor you

you're such a warrior

deed02392

@kalina I don't fight anyone

@RоryMcCune Yeah, I've only played on the arcade machine for like 30 seconds though

Rоry McCune

@Adnan she's really good (I think anyway) and v. patient to get the right shot

deed02392

I just don't feel comfortable being seen doing that yet

Rоry McCune

@deed02392 heh

deed02392

10:17

need to prove myself first I think. I'm always overdressing by a way compared to others

kalina

@deed02392 every day is a fight

for survival

Rоry McCune

@deed02392 yeah testers don't tend to dress up that smart....

deed02392

thanks @kalina for your sincere empathy

Rоry McCune

you need a good selection of geek T-Shirts

deed02392

@RоryMcCune I have a Sophos "if you can read this then my privacy settings are too low" t-shirt

and a Nintendo VIP

and pentesters socks

FEichinger

10:19

Commuting 4 hours a day is fun.

Rоry McCune

@deed02392 wait are those "Pen Test Partner" socks? you wouldn't want to get caught wearing those in an NCC office...

deed02392

haha yeah @RоryMcCune they are

kalina

my daily commute is awesome

I roll out of bed when I'm ready to roll out of bed

FEichinger

And productive. I've written more code while on a train than at home, these last two years.

kalina

and then I walk into the next room

deed02392

10:20

@FEichinger it's the opposite of that

kalina

flick a bunch of power switches, and listen to the gentle background hum

the sort of hum you'd expect from sitting in engineering on the starship enterprise

or in a large server room

Rоry McCune

@deed02392 ooh wearing an arch-rivals socks in the office... almost as bad as when I drank Diet-Coke when working for A.G. Barrs (makers of Irn-Bru)

deed02392

haha, ah OK. i'll stick with the sophos t-shirt then

I have some cyber security challenge polo shirts too

i guess they're quite smart actually

@RоryMcCune I'll remember to say hello to Colin for you today

do you have any messages that might make him laugh

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune brave man. Did they notice?

kalina

now you're asking for social engineering tips?

deed02392

10:24

stop being a bully @kalina

Rоry McCune

@deed02392 heh, get to see if he remembers me. Well he probably still is the account manager for $large_bank so it wouldn't be funny if I reminded him of how much of a pain they are to work with :)

deed02392

lol okay, I'll wait till I need to talk to him about something else then mention you

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune ...dunno what you mean :-)

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop my boss did, he thought it was hilarious. Indirectly led to me getting free barrs diet-coke when at work, so played out quite well in the end..

kalina

This isn't bullying, if you falsely accuse me of such a thing again I will happily comply with a demonstration of bullying

Adnan

10:25

@deed02392 Really? You're feeling bullied by @kilana?

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop but then my boss was a open rangers fan while working a stones throw from Parkhead stadium, so he did have an odd sense of humour...

deed02392

@kalina that wouldn't be complying, that would be bullying

now you're making threats.

Adnan

@deed02392 Dude, you're better than that.

kalina

I didn't threaten, I clarified my position

deed02392

let's move on

Rоry McCune

10:30

►

kalina

The rest of us already did

deed02392

good

kalina

For some reason today I am writing 128 BPM chill out

Not sure how that happened

FEichinger

Well exam time. Laters o/

Lucas Kauffman

\o

kalina

10:31

Good luck!

deed02392

@RоryMcCune hahaha

Rory Alsop

@FEichinger best of luck

kalina

I'm stuck

I want a new phone

But I think the HTC one m8 is too large

I have a m7 ATM and don't like plastic phones

So no Samsung's

Nick

Chrome chrome chorme...

Rоry McCune

@kalina wait till September, get the new iPhone :)

kalina

10:44

But...

It would be an iPhone

Rоry McCune

@kalina sharply observed

Nick

@RоryMcCune iPhones are overrated

kalina

Different ecosystem

Rоry McCune

@Nick it depends on what you're looking for in a smart phone, they have strength and weaknesses much like most thing :)

I'm aff android 'cause I work in security and know enough about Android to not want to use it for anything that holds my e-mails :)

or indeed any other sensitive information

kalina

I won't have another apple phone or tablet ever again

I guess it's time to try windows phone

Rоry McCune

10:49

@kalina so windows phones are good then :)

Nick

@RоryMcCune if you know what you're doing its ... almost... decently secured... im waiting for Ubuntu touch

Rоry McCune

@kalina I've got a 520 is quite good especially for a cheap phone..

kalina

But I like my current phone

It's just old now

Rоry McCune

@Nick problem is support . None of the big OEMs will commit to supporting a phone for a decent length of time and be open about patching.

Only sane option is Nexus phones

kalina

HTC support their new phones pretty well

Rоry McCune

10:51

@kalina sure and when they do a patch it's them + google + $carrier

who all have to line up to get the patch out

@kalina do they have a published support lifecycle yet? Last time I looked I couldn't find any android handset co that had them...

kalina

Mine are them +Google

No carrier stuff on my phone

Nick

Reinstalling kali linux.... for the 3rd time in a day -.-

Rоry McCune

@kalina which should be good, but not always. I had a Xperia Z and it was slower to get the updated when it was unlocked than the carrier variants which was super bizarre

@Nick TBH I'm not a fan of Kali, I prefer to do Debian/Ubuntu + tools, takes longer but then I know what I've got :)

Nick

@RоryMcCune yea but you have to install everything manually

Rоry McCune

@Nick indeed I'm looking to find a way to script that, it should theoretically by possible with things like Chef

but most of the options are overkill for what I want...

Terry Chia

11:26

@RоryMcCune Ansible is nice if you want something simple.

Nick

Anyone here knows if OVH is any good? thinking of migrating my servers to them

deed02392

@TerryChia finally got 3D support working! yay

the real gnome 3

kalina

the internet here is properly diabolical

anyway, I just cooked

Nick

11:41

@kalina you cooked what?

Rоry McCune

@kalina that's an odd approach combining the instragramming of food with Opsec avoiding posting images

kalina

@RоryMcCune I got image not found

there we go

Terry Chia

@deed02392 Yay!

kalina

@Nick cheese toasties

Terry Chia

@deed02392 If you want a nicer terminal emulator I suggest Guake.

Kisunminttu

11:45

@kalina This is one of my favorite gifs in the history of gifs

kalina

@Kisunminttu totally is

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