The DMZ

AviD

20:00

so make it a sparse disk?

Iszi

Maybe I should do the responsible thing and post a Super User question about it.

AviD

i.e. dynamically expanding, not sparse.

also, I was glancing thru the transcript, nad I have to do this....

Simon

You're a super user.

AviD

@RoryAlsop @kalina, and all you other yung'uns - your so called "original" Wolfenstein was not 3d, nor lots of murdering. The ORIGINAL Wolfenstein was more of a puzzle game, with occasional killings - now THAT game was great.

Castle Wolfenstein

Castle Wolfenstein is an early stealth-based action-adventure shooter video game developed by Muse Software for the Apple II. It was first released in 1981 and later ported to MS-DOS, the Atari 8-bit family, and the Commodore 64. Description Castle Wolfenstein is a stealth-based action-adventure shooter game set in World War II. The game's main objective is to traverse the levels of the castle to find the secret war plans and escape alive. Progressively higher military ranks are earned upon each successful escape with the war plans, and the game becomes correspondingly more difficult a...

Simon

Nobody was born in 1981.

AviD

20:03

over a decade before your so-called "original" wolfenstein 3d. Which was actually the THIRD installment in the series, btw.

@Simon hahaha

Iszi

20:14

Here we go.

0

Q: Why does BitLocker need a minimum volume size of 64 MB?

Since the future of TrueCrypt appears to be still unclear, I figured I'd try to get my stuff migrated into BitLocker at least for the time being. I nearly never have to access my encrypted data from anything that's not BitLocker-capable, so cross-platform compatibility isn't a big deal to me at t...

bitlocker

Lucas Kauffman

Wolfenstein 3D was my first computer game

Iszi

@LucasKauffman Ok. That made me feel old. Not good.

Lucas Kauffman

@Iszi I think I was about 5 or 6?

Iszi

@LucasKauffman That only helps a little.

AviD

@Iszi that's what she said.

BOOM I'm back.

Iszi

20:18

I can't specifically remember what my first computer game was, but I can pretty confidently say it was probably loaded on a cartridge.

AviD

Does Atari count?

Iszi

@AviD Wasn't counting that, but there it is too.

AviD

actually I had the Atari game that lets you write programs. Using a joystick.

or was it a paddle?

Rоry McCune

Horace goes skiing - Christmas 1982

Iszi

Commodore VIC-20

The VIC-20 (Germany: VC-20; Japan: VIC-1001) is an 8-bit home computer which was sold by Commodore Business Machines. The VIC-20 was announced in 1980, roughly three years after Commodore's first personal computer, the PET. The VIC-20 was the first computer of any description to sell one million units. History Origin, marketing The VIC-20 was intended to be more economical than the PET computer. It was equipped with only 5 kB of RAM (of this, only 3.5 KB were available to the BASIC programmer) and used the same MOS 6502 CPU as the PET. The VIC-20's video chip, the MOS Technolo...

Rоry McCune

20:19

Iszi

@AviD Wow. I don't remember that one. Could have been either, since Atari had both.

Rоry McCune

played it so long I overheated the computer

AviD

@Iszi oh yeah, we def had both, just dont remember which I had to use to program.

Lucas Kauffman

I remember the turbo button

AviD

I was only 6 or 7 at the time, so I can forgive my faulty memory.

Iszi

20:20

@RоryMcCune That looks like something that got ported to Windows eventually.

AviD

@RоryMcCune hehehe, "computer"

Lucas Kauffman

where the clock speed was upped and the game started to run faster

Iszi

SkiFree

SkiFree is a computer game created by Chris Pirih, who was working as a programmer at Microsoft at the time. The object of the game is to ski down an endless slope and avoid the obstacles. History Pirih had created SkiFree in C on his home computer for his own education and entertainment. The game eventually attracted the attention of a program manager for Microsoft Entertainment Pack when he noticed Pirih playing it at work, leading to the inclusion of the game in the next Entertainment Pack release with Pirih's consent. The game was featured in the Best of Windows Entertainment Pack...

Rоry McCune

@AviD hey hey hey no dissing the ZX Spectrum!

AviD

@RоryMcCune ah no, I was mocking your euphemism.

It's always about the euphemism.

Rоry McCune

20:22

@Iszi I loved skifree especially once I worked out how to outrun the monster

AviD

meh I was never much of a fan of most of those sports games.

Rоry McCune

@AviD not sure I'd call skifree a sports game...

AviD

played them a ton, just didnt enjoy them as much as other types of games.

@RоryMcCune it's skiing! of course its a sport.

Rоry McCune

@AviD yeah but it's hardly daley thompsons decathlon

AviD

hehehe, no its not.

Rоry McCune

20:24

@Iszi yeah doesn't like the ' character in the URL...

Iszi

@RоryMcCune INF

Rоry McCune

heh did that while editing post'ception!

AviD

hmm. I think Lode Runner may have been the first proper computer game I had, on the Apple.

Iszi

@RоryMcCune Slick.

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD back in the day when Apple was just a fruit?

AviD

20:26

@LucasKauffman heh, no, back when it was the best home computer.

Simon

@Iszi That guy who answered your question starting with "I'm making a guess", why the hell did he post it as an answer if he's not even sure?

Kisunminttu

The first computer game I remember having was Doom

Iszi

@Simon Over 20k rep too - he should know better.

AviD

I got to Doom much later, had a long delay upgrading machines - back then it was a 3rd world country here...

Iszi

@Simon Looks like he nuked it.

Simon

20:34

Good, at least he realized how silly his answer was.

Iszi

@Simon You're too kind.

Ignorant is more like it - did you see my comment?

AviD

I'm actually surprised my first comments here got away without getting starred.

Iszi

@AviD Sorry. I didn't see anything about boobs, so auto-star didn't kick in. You got the "stars for stars" one there, though.

Simon

@Iszi I didn't read the whole thing, I guess I got lazy for whatever reason. What exactly did you say?

AviD

hehe, meh.

@Simon umm.... never mind.

Simon

20:37

wat

Iszi

@Simon He was talking about the recommended minimum for NTFS is 10 MB. I'd already said in my question that the file system overhead was only 3 MB.

AviD

@LucasKauffman ah yeah? Cool!

the AeroPress is a lot of fun to play with, too - look up "Inverted Method" online, some good vids on that on youtube.

Simon

@Iszi Ah yes, I did read it.

<-- Goldfish memory span

Anyway, the guy just got greedy I guess.

AviD

not too surprised about the columbian, though - that was kinda my problem with it, but you said strong

(just realized I left that open to interpreation, figured I'd clarify before it got dmz'ed. )

Iszi

@AviD Dunno what you mean. Looks to still be wide open to me. I'm just lazy.

AviD

20:41

@Iszi coffee....?

Iszi

@AviD All I see is something to do with Colombians and an "Inverted Method". Sounds like something out of the South American version of the Kama Sutra.

AviD

@Iszi hahaha, and the AeroPress? Some odd Spanish version of a Swedish Pump?

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD ha that looks cool, going to try that tomorrow

Iszi

@AviD Precisely.

Xander

@AviD @LucasKauffman Colombian coffee tends to be more heavily acidic. Good for face-puckering super dark roasts, but not very subtle. It's not one of my favorites either.

Rory Alsop

20:45

@AviD Not gonna fall for googling that!

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Xander

It tends to show up in roasts that are charitable classified as "Extra-Bold."

AviD

@RoryAlsop hahah, no really!

@Xander good way of putting it. I only suggested it because he asked for really strong coffee. I took it to mean "extra bold".

although even with the milder beans, you can get a very strong coffee with the Aeropress.

Xander

@AviD So what you're saying is, it's his own fault. I agree with that completely.

AviD

@Xander hey, I did it too. ~~Misery loves company~~ It's a good basis for comparison.

►

for example

Xander

@AviD Yep, and it's widely available and relatively inexpensive, so always a good one to try, just to see if it is your style.

Simon

20:49

Coffee can be sooo douchy

AviD

cmon, everybody together now:

@Simon YOUR FACE CAN BE SO DOUCHEY

Simon

YOUR FACE CAN BE SO DOUCHEY

AviD

okay that barister sucks.

aaaaand I just became a coffee douche.

Kisunminttu

@Adnan , I have big news for you!

Simon

@AviD I'm gonna shave some of my goatee tonight, want me to send some hair?

Iszi

20:52

@AviD Ok, I feel like IE now...

Kisunminttu

We have created something magnificent with you

AviD

@Kisunminttu I dont think this chatroom is a good place to share life changing news.

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Adnan

@Kisunminttu Didn't we just hung up on the phone?

Simon

@Adnan rofl

Kisunminttu

@Adnan But I want everyone to know!

Adnan

20:53

@Kisu Like exactly 5 seconds before you posted that message

Kisunminttu

I am so happy!

Simon

She's such a woman.

Kisunminttu

@Adnan Yeah, we did

Adnan

and you would rather tell the DMZ before telling me?

Iszi

@Kisunminttu Damn you. And Pharrell Williams.

Adnan

20:54

@Kisu Anyway, what is it?

AviD

@Kisunminttu WELL?? We are all in suspense!

Adnan

What is this big news

Kisunminttu

@Adnan ... after a long wait... I am proud to announce...

Simon

Anti-climactic much.

AviD

if this is about brownies Imma be pissed.

Kisunminttu

20:54

That we have sprouting oregano!!!

: DD

Adnan

@Kisunminttu If you say "that I love you"... we're done

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David Freitag

0

Q: We are reluctantly closing this site on Monday, June 9

Have you ever run across an awesome blog post and went to read the rest of the site only to discover the author gave it up after a week or two? That's how I feel about this site. To my (admitted unexpert) eye, the questions and answers so far are just what I'd hoped to see on this site. There's a...

discussion featured

Damn and blast!

Kisunminttu

@Adnan :|

Adnan

@Kisunminttu Well, show us a pic of your sprouting oregano

5

Iszi

@DavidFreitag Private Beta. Login required.

Adnan

20:55

I demand seeing your sprouting oregano

Simon

Oh lawd.

Kisunminttu

@Adnan roflmao

David Freitag

@Iszi Shit. Well they're closing Embedded.SE

@Iszi Did it even onebox?

Iszi

@DavidFreitag Yeah, it did that much.

Kisunminttu

@Adnan It's still very very very small, but I will try to get a pic

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Simon

20:56

lulz

David Freitag

It's pretty upsetting but I can't say I didn't see this coming.

Kisunminttu

godf'ndammit

Iszi

Who knew a conversation about oregano could be so dirty? Yeah, that's right... only in the DMZ.

David Freitag

What's sad is that it's the first site where I actually didn't procrastinate (too much...)

@Kisunminttu Better get the microscope.

Iszi

@DavidFreitag TWSS!

Simon

20:57

dayum

AviD

@Iszi yeah, thats what she was saying...

Simon

@AviD Oh, it happened to you too?

Iszi

Anyone else getting sporadic 522s to SU?

Kisunminttu

@Adnan I'm sending the pic on wassapp

Simon

So we don't get to see it? Wow.

Adnan

21:00

Nah.. Send it here for all the world to see

Kisunminttu

It's easier for you to share it

Xander

@Iszi Apparently they've been having trouble getting SU up and running on CloudFlare. (Saw that on the SE blog, I think.) That's probably the cause.

Adnan

@Kisu I'm now on mobile

Iszi

@Xander I was wondering why it was a CloudFlare error - didn't know they were migrating.

Kisunminttu

@Adnan Okay, I'll take care of it. :*

Adnan

21:01

I can't go back to the office before 00:05

Fucking stupid security system

Xander

@Iszi Yeah, from the blog post for Podcast 58 - "We’re busy breaking Super User by trying to migrate it over to CloudFlare."

Adnan

Biggest IT company in the area - can't get their alarm system to semi-work

Xander

@Adnan So hack it

Adnan

@Xander Two minutes and a dude comes to ID me

The onlu functioning part is the human part

Kisunminttu

Iszi

21:04

@Xander Loving the timing.

Simon

Of course it'd be wet, eh.

3

Adnan

aaand back on mobile

@Kisunminttu What the shit is that?

AviD

@Kisunminttu that looks like a nasty rash. Is he seeing a doctor about that?

Adnan

I haven't seen that before

AviD

@Adnan TWSS

Adnan

21:05

@Simon Because we were talking on the phone

Simon

@Adnan It makes sense.

Kisunminttu

The ones I have in the kitchen are coming along far quicker than those

Iszi

I need this.

Kisunminttu

I guess it's because of the cling film keeping the moisture at an adequate level

AviD

@LucasKauffman btw re the inverted method - for some reason the first few vids I found on youtube were crap. this is a good one to learn from: youtube.com/watch?v=0Z-ORcQLRQk

@Iszi hahaha, excellent!!

Iszi

21:10

Great. Another crap non-answer to my BitLocker Q.

Simon

link pls

Iszi

0

A: Why does BitLocker need a minimum volume size of 64 MB?

The present of BitLocker is much more unclear. I would recommend to stay on TrueCrypt 7.1a and not upgrade until the situation is really clarified.

Simon

What the flying fuck man, that is indeed a shitty ass answer.

AviD

@Simon no its not, it is Not An Answer. at all.

ah, its gone already.

Simon

Well, when I browse the question, it says: 1 Answer.

Iszi

21:13

@Simon Never mind the fact that it doesn't even bother to answer the question, it really raises more questions than it even tries to answer. I mean, where's he get the idea that BitLocker is unstable? Sure, you're putting a bit of trust into Microsoft - but what else is there to support that claim?

Simon

@Iszi I dunno, I feel like some of those guys do cocaine because they browse these sites.

Iszi

@Simon I'm not sure how to parse that. Browsing these sites drives them to do cocaine, or vice-versa?

Simon

Could be both.

Iszi

@Simon Could be your mom.

Simon

Could be my dad.

Iszi

21:15

@Simon I am your father.

Simon

Knew it. Wanna play baseball when I'm out of work?

AviD

Cat's in the cradle.

Iszi

@Simon Sports? What kind of geek do you think you are? No child of mine, for sure!

Simon

Bahaha.

Rоry McCune

Iszi

21:16

That's @Simon - driving parents from possessiveness to disownership in 0.3 seconds flat.

Simon

#yolo

I've skimmed through the official BitLocker documentation, and apparently the reason for such requirement is not explained anywhere. — and31415 1 min ago

That's the most useful thing that has been posted in your question so far.

Iszi

@Simon I thought we'd established a rule against that? Something to do with public flogging?

@Simon And responsibly submitted as a comment to boot.

AviD

@Iszi this

Simon

Alright, I totally didn't expect the kick for some reason. It even made me chuckle.

AviD

@Simon No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Simon

21:19

No one expects the hot girl to actually be a transsexual.

AviD

@Simon She had an Adam's apple, of course we expected it. We just chose not to tell you, because it's funnier that way.

Simon

@AviD If only someone would have told me once, if only.

AviD

Thoughts on this q: there is a flag to move it to SO, but I think that's irrelevant. but should it stay here, or go to Crypto.SE?

2

Q: Is AES(Rijndael) faster than Blowfish?

I know theoretical that blowfish is much faster than aes. But I benchmarked several algorithms including aes and blowfish for 1MB, 5MB, 10MB etc. files in java 8 platform and bouncy castle library. In every test scenarios aes is faster than blowfish. I wonder if I make mistake somwhere? Here is...

cryptography aes java blowfish

Iszi

@AviD Looks like it's already got a Bear answer. Does migration really matter at this point?

AviD

@Iszi but does it belong here?

Iszi

21:35

I think this answer is a sign it's time for me to call it a day.

0

A: Is it safe to force a dismount to format a volume in Windows?

If you're erasing all the data on the drive anyway, the validity of any file handles open on it is fairly moot. The only thing to be concerned about at this point is if you were backing up the data before the format, and there are still processes working on that. To be safe, close all other progr...

Snark filter is definitely broken a bit.

AviD

21:55

okay this needs to be a feature request for Stack Exchange, home of the Q&A.

@ZachWeiner I don't understand the point of Q&As without the ability to murder specific people.

Tweeted by damnyouwillis on June 2, 2014 at 9:48 PM in reply to ZachWeiner

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emberfang

hello

I want to know about security work in UK, do you have any good pointers?

(to find out what there's demand for, what it requires and whether I will be good for it)

Adnan

@emberfang int * ptr

emberfang

lol

better than int ***ptr

David Freitag

God I'm sick and tired of the Apple drivel that has infested my Twitter feed.

Xander

@DavidFreitag It appears that I may have excised all but a very few fanboys from my Twitter list. I've only gotten a few Apple tweets today. Hooray for me!

David Freitag

22:11

@Xander I don't follow very many actual people. It's mostly Giz and lifehacker etc. that are the problem.

AviD

@Xander the problem is that its not just the fanbois. just about everybody techy has something to say, even if its just about the shiny new language.

snooooooze

David Freitag

@AviD Seeeeeeriously

FEichinger

Well, what do you expect tech journos to do on the one day Apple pulls out all their crap?

David Freitag

@FEichinger Do what every self-respecting tech lover does. Nothing.

Xander

@AviD Yeah, I have seen a bit of that. It hasn't drowned my feed out though. I must have gotten lucky. Or maybe I follow people who are old and apathetic.

@DavidFreitag Ah, yes, media accounts can be annoying at times like these.

David Freitag

22:24

Half the problem is that i don't follow enough people so Giz and the verge etc dominate my feed anyway.

AviD

@Xander heh, that does describe me alright.

emberfang

yea its nice to get away from all that apple discussion on twitter lol

FEichinger

I hate Apple as much as the next guy, but there are people out there who are interested in this stuff. Apple has a market share, and they deserve their coverage just as well as every obscure tiny shit that I haven't even heard about ever before.

Xander

@AviD :-P

So....Anybody have opinions on Swift?

David Freitag

@FEichinger The only thing i find even remotely interesting about apple is a very small portion of their hardware. All i need are teardowns to get off. Er i mean...

FEichinger

22:26

So what if you don't care. Not everyone has to be interested in the same stuff you're interested in - or vice versa. Today, Apple gets their fifteen minutes, gotta deal with it.

AviD

the angst here is not whether anyone cares, its whether anyone should care.

Seriously, was there even a single thing that was actually new?

(I really dont know, I'm asking)

(though I doubt)

FEichinger

I looked it up just a few minutes ago. It was quite a bunch of "new" stuff, but nothing really innovative. The usual.

David Freitag

@AviD Looks like so far it's just new software. iOS 8 and OS X 10.10.

AviD

@DavidFreitag no no, but is anything there new?

David Freitag

@AviD There are rumors that the new iPhone/iPad will debut.

But new? Probably Swift.

AviD

22:31

@DavidFreitag but is any of that new, or just updated, i.e. more of the same.

@DavidFreitag sorry, from what I've seen about swift, it's Yet Another Me Too Language.

David Freitag

@AviD It appears Swift is new. (I have no idea [not an apple fanboi])

AviD

only thing new about it (besides finally getting rid of objective-c) is the glyph naming.

David Freitag

@AviD Yeah I'm looking up the documentation now. Just to get a good looksee.

FEichinger

@AviD ... which is going to cause mass suicides.

AviD

Good. Fewer die-hard Apple fanbois to deal with.

David Freitag

22:35

@FEichinger This is Apple developers we are talking about. These poor people already had to deal with Objective-C this long I'm sure they won't be phased.

AviD

@DavidFreitag hahaha

FEichinger

@DavidFreitag They won't. The people who have to read the code second-hand, though.

David Freitag

Apple could force developers to wear a helmet that stabbed you in the face while you program, and only three people would ragequit.

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AviD

@DavidFreitag and they would get a couple hundred new recruits, since its the only language with that feature.

plus, free helmet.

though this is Apple, youd probably have to pay extra for the iHelmet.

FEichinger

22:56

> Unlike C, Swift lets you perform remainder (%) calculations on floating-point numbers.

AviD

@FEichinger that's... wait, what?

Is that an April 1st spec?

FEichinger

@AviD developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documentation/Swift/…

AviD

Ah, Apple, April 1st, no big difference.

FEichinger

And of course they also use + for String concat.

AviD

I make a motion to rename April 1st to Apple Fools Day.

@FEichinger nah, thats not too WTF. it's a bit overly intuitive, at the expense of internal-transparency.

FEichinger

23:01

@AviD It's not WTF, but it's still god dammit, can we please change that already.

AviD

@FEichinger I dunno, I am of two minds of this. I much prefer using + for concat, and it is the obvious overload for that operator. But, as I said, it hides the internals too much. you may tend to forget what a String really is.

on the other hand, string.concat() is just too damn verbose.

FEichinger

There's a simple, well-defined operator: .

CompSci almost universally defines concat as a dot.

AviD

@FEichinger SHUDDUP SHUDDUP SHUDDUP

FEichinger

So why not use it in programming languages?

(And this isn't even my PHP talking. It makes sense.

AviD

@FEichinger say what now? that is so specific that Im not sure I could name one besides PHP.

@FEichinger now THAT is your PHP talking.

and no, IT.DOES.NOT.MAKE.SENSE.

FEichinger

23:04

@AviD Almost every paper on language theory that I know of uses dot for concat.

Usually cdot.

AviD

explicit methods make sense, but theyre too verbose. you want a concise operator? NOTHING makes more sense than "+".

@FEichinger do you know of any besides PHP-dependent?

FEichinger

@AviD I'm talking TheoCompSci here, not actual application.

$user image$

^-- Language concat. Uses cdot.

AviD

ahhh. but those are not strings, are they?

FEichinger

w and z are words over Σ.

Well, technically Σ*, I suppose.

AviD

I can read.

@FEichinger or over L1 / L2, to be precise.

FEichinger

23:10

That means they are Strings.

@AviD Words in L1/L2, over the alphabet. But that's beside the point.

AviD

@FEichinger no no, you are not concatenating strings, you are combining groups of potential words.

conceptually speaking.

FEichinger

@AviD Strings are words.

AviD

@FEichinger ah whaddever, I dont remember the terminology. too long ago.

@FEichinger what I mean is, in this case at least, you are

no, never mind. I see what you mean.

while that is more group theory than string operations, but it's contextual pedantics.

FEichinger

The point is simply that we have a dedicated concat operator that isn't used by anything else in a normal language.

AviD

also, that's not " . ", thats closer to " - " (if it was turned on its end)

FEichinger

23:14

@AviD Well, now that is a different matter. dot has the shape, dash has the alignment. :P

AviD

@FEichinger bullsh*t. it is used often, as a period. It is not used, to the best of my knowledge, in any sane programming language, as an operator, because it is a horrible operator.

it is small, hard to see, easily missed or confused.

@FEichinger alignment is important. In many cultures, the midway dot is the multiplication operator. Which fits in that language definition, but not for string concatenation.

FEichinger

@AviD Outside of String literals, it's only used for pathing into members (which is also nonsense, but for other reasons).

@AviD And this shouldn't be a problem with a proper monospace font. :P

Now if we wanted to get creative, we could also use ~ or °.

AviD

hehe

FEichinger

Or :

But that conflicts with the TCO

AviD

: is pretty commonly used

FEichinger

23:17

And case labels, but case labels are semantically well-defined anyway.

It's hard to be ambiguous to the compiler on that.

> To insert an item into the array at a specified index, call the array’s insert(atIndex:) method:
> shoppingList.insert("Maple Syrup", atIndex: 0)

EWW.

AviD

meh, common enough.

how would you do it?

FEichinger

atIndex: 0 is bad.

AviD

you don't like zero-based arrays??

FEichinger

0 would be perfectly sufficient.

AviD

what?

FEichinger

23:21

I'm complaining about that pointless label.

AviD

no, "atIndex:" is a named parameter.

FEichinger

And it should be omittable, is what I'm saying.

AviD

I dont know that syntax, or that method, but many lagnuages allow you to omitt unneeded arguments, and skip to the needed ones by naming them.

@FEichinger umm... okay, if you omit it, how would you tell the .insert() which position you want to insert it to?

FEichinger

Fair point. But I can't exactly think of a lot of other parameters that would fit in there.

I mean, how much can you tell the bloody insert method?

AviD

@FEichinger well that depends on the specifics of that method.

on the other hand, perhaps it is not a formal parameter, but the method allows you to inject an internal variable.

I think Ruby supports something similar.

FEichinger

23:25

someArray.insert("yolo", checkIfContained: "rory", IfFound: callable() {System.exit;}, atIndex: 1337)

AviD

urggh. That looks to javascripty.

FEichinger

Well, aren't they trying to make it like JavaScript anyway?

AviD

ack.

FEichinger

But that was just me playing around with trying-to-figure-out-why-they'd-need-a-named-parameter-in-insert.

> If you don’t need each value from the range, you can ignore the values by using an underscore in place of a variable name

for _ in 1...power {
    answer *= base
}

I ... I guess that saves some ... memory.

(Also, what's with the lack of EOL delimiters?)

AviD

gotta go. teh viper gonn' kill some mountain soon.

I assume. so no spoiler there.

FEichinger

23:28

o/

Oh, look, switch/case with implicit break. This looks awful.

AviD

I.. um... oh.

dammit, no spoilers.

FEichinger

func printAndCount(stringToPrint: String) -> Int {
    println(stringToPrint)
    return countElements(stringToPrint)
}

Simon

nurdz

FEichinger

func {name}({params}) -> {return value}

... This ... this actually makes sense.

I am surprised.

Multiple return values, even: func count(string: String) -> (vowels: Int, consonants: Int, others: Int) { ... }

And default values, too: func join(string s1: String, toString s2: String, withJoiner joiner: String = " ") -> String { ... } I'm impressed. It's not completely terrible.

> Dividing a number by zero (i / 0), or trying to calculate remainder by zero (i % 0), causes an error:
> let x = 1
> let y = x / 0
> However, the overflow versions of these operators (&/ and &%) return a value of zero if you divide by zero:
> let x = 1
> let y = x &/ 0
> // y is equal to 0

AviD

23:47

so, yeah. wow. Will avoid spoilering, but the latest episode of GoT - a heartpounding seatclenching nailbiter.

I really shouldnt watch it right before going to sleep.

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