The DMZ

Rory Alsop

14:08

@kalina ewww - painful

Scott Pack

PHP is most definitely a killer app. Look how violent people get when confronted with PHP.

3

FEichinger

@kalina Sounds about right. Although the primary reason to use PHP commercially is that it's available on almost every server.

Terry Chia

@FEichinger I call bullshit unless your definition of "server" only includes cheapass shared hosting.

FEichinger

So if you want to sell web code to everyone and their mother, your best option is still PHP.

@Terry I rarely see any host not offering PHP. I see some offering ASP or Tomcat (and recently node, but**** node). The "PHP killers" Python and Ruby are horribly underrepresented outside of dedicated servers.

Simon

@PatoSáinz Say whaaat?

Terry Chia

14:18

@FEichinger Hence "cheapass shared hosting".

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia not sure about widely, but yeah there's active ruby communitys doing things outside of web :)

FEichinger

If Python environments were more widespread, I'd switch in a heartbeat. But they aren't. And until they are, it's not worth it for me.

Simon

@TerryChia I feel like saying "thanks" but I'm still unsure.

kalina

oh no

a simon appeared

room average iq reduced by 90%

the darkness is overwhelming

WAIT A MINUTE

I mean, hi @Simon

Simon

I already told you that we're not making out.

kalina

14:19

good

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Interesting. Coming from a non-ruby guy I barely hear anything about ruby outside of web dev stuff.

kalina

I'm being mean to you because I know you have an uncontrollable thing for female djs

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia Ruby Motion (iOS/OSX/soon to be android dev) rubymotion.com

Terry Chia

At least Python has that whole scientific computing aspect to it.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia shoes / Jruby desktop dev github.com/shoes/shoes4

kalina

14:20

which unfortunately means that out of everybody on SE, you're probably going to be the first person to find me

it's a sad story

we should write a book, make a movie

FEichinger

Oh, hey, I'm still ignoring @Simon. Go figure.

kalina

it's like a love story where we both hate each other

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia and of course metasploit :)

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune That's very interesting actually.

I assume though that the community is predominately Rails-oriented?

Simon

@kalina There's nothing I don't control, m'am.

FEichinger

14:22

Also, who the rory activated filtering?

kalina

filtering?

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia well by numbers sure, but if you look at confs like scottish ruby conf there's quite a bit of non-rails activity ...

Terry Chia

@FEichinger Heroku. Digital Ocean has hella cheap VPS-es. I wouldn't call the environment lacking.

I don't know about you, but I really won't want to write code for people who cannot afford $10/month for hosting.

@RоryMcCune I see. Good to know. :)

Simon

I played with Heroku a bit and I gotta say that it's a quite interesting solution.

FEichinger

@kalina "rory" was censored.

Simon

14:31

@FEichinger Was your face censored? It's very offensive to me.

FEichinger

@Terry It's not so much about it merely existing. It needs to be widespread, and easy to access for the customer. And there's only a select, obscure few ways of getting that, sadly.

Simon

@kalina Have you heard of the genre called Subground?

kalina

no, but a quick google implies it's an artist not a genre

oh right

subgenre of hard style

thatexplainseverything

Simon

Yeah. It's pretty much Electro House with a Hardstyle kick and more bass-oriented

If you wanna look into it Acti would be a good artist to discover. He's the father of Subground.

kalina

I really don't like hardstyle

Rоry McCune

14:37

►

All this talk of subground and hardstlye just makes me think of ^

kalina

and as much as I'm tempting hatred towards me by not even listening to your suggestion

I have a really good reason why not

Simon

@kalina Is it the kick that annoys you?

kalina

yes

Simon

Ah.

kalina

but in this instance it's my perforated ear drum and lack of hearing that is preventing me from listening to your noise

Simon

14:39

Oh, whoops. Did you go to a party recently?

kalina

no

but I did have an epic ear infection in both ears which is nearly sorted

Rory Alsop

@FEichinger that was me. It's a useful one to censor - in order to avoid flags. It doesn't offend me, but it offends enough people that it's an easy one to just remove to save trouble. Anyone who wants to know the exact word used can see it, but we are less likely to have mass mod invasions

kalina

and I have perforated my ear drum on the right, and still sounds like I'm under water

FEichinger

@RoryA Tsk!

kalina

"CENSORSHIP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!" etc

Rory Alsop

14:40

@kalina B***** peasants!

Barry Carlyon

I blame Alan.

FEichinger

@kalina I'm not you :P

kalina

@RoryAlsop F******ing s*** f****** w****** always ruining all of the f****** fun in this f****** place. Unf******believable

also, I went to a catholic school

Rory Alsop

lol

kalina

which means I do technically have a catholic school girl uniform

5

Rory Alsop

14:42

@FEichinger are my edits better? :oP

@kalina stoppit

Iszi

@kalina Don't feed @Adnan's fantasies.

kalina

@Iszi I am unattainable for Adnan

Iszi

Or @Simon's, for that matter.

Barry Carlyon

►

kalina

besides, he's all loved up atm

Rory Alsop

14:43

@BarryCarlyon Steve...

Barry Carlyon

:-P

FEichinger

@kalina Now that's a tempting thought :P

@RoryA No, but I don't complain. Not worth it.

kalina

pervert

Barry Carlyon

One does not simply say that they have a Catholic School Girl uniform to a room such as this…

kalina

get your filthy mind out of the gutter

FEichinger

14:46

@kalina Says Little Miss "angel cake" >.>

Barry Carlyon

tries at a One Does Not Simply meme and fails

kalina

@BarryCarlyon announcing I went to a catholic school was only a precursor to pointing out I was suspended for "violating the dress code"

Barry Carlyon

@kalina haha!

kalina

oh dear, @fei went really quiet suddenly

FEichinger

I'm in a train.

Not masturbating.

Terry Chia

14:47

@ScottPack Caught the latest GoT yet?

FEichinger

But I do want to make a joke about you not-wearing the uniform.

But then I figured it'd get me flagged.

Barry Carlyon

@TerryChia I haven't but thank you for the reminder to fetch it

Terry Chia

spoiler alert - someone died

kalina

how is that even a spoiler in game of thrones

surely it would be more of a spoiler if somebody lived

Terry Chia

Ok, it was one of the most notable deaths in the story.

Better?

Rory Alsop

14:50

@FEichinger no - please don't get me wrong on this. I just know that sometimes we attract flags that really shouldn't happen, and simple use of the f-word near the k-word can cause this

kalina

@RoryAlsop k word?

Barry Carlyon

kitchen?

Terry Chia

knife?

Barry Carlyon

kleenex?

Rоry McCune

@kalina thus your nickname "she who must not be pinged" :op

Barry Carlyon

14:51

KRAKEN?

Rory Alsop

@kalina I am pretty certain that some folks who pop in here on a flag see your name and go mental. I don't think it's right, but it is obvious that folks do it

FEichinger

@RoryA Hey, I have no problem with that at all.

Rory Alsop

@FEichinger am now at a loss to distinguish between jokes and non-jokes

:-(

Terry Chia

Btw, this was one of the most graphic deaths in GoT so far imo, and that's saying a lot.

FEichinger

(And on that note, me getting suspended for the mere presence of kalina would be hilarious as shit.)

Rory Alsop

14:54

@FEichinger you know what I mean though, right?

Terry Chia

@FEichinger I could use a laugh. ;)

Rory Alsop

I've seen folks fire in here and chatban kalina, despite it being someone entirely different who was being mildly offensive

I'm not 100% certain what to do about it

It has been discussed in mod forum, but not much interest from other areas

FEichinger

@RoryA You know full well that I'm one of the people who know that in detail.

Rory Alsop

@FEichinger I know

Rоry McCune

@FEichinger but did you want him to know, that you wanted him to know?

Rory Alsop

14:57

I had to have a pretty strong discussion with a mod from another site to just ask him to leave moderating here up to Sec.SE mods, unless either we are away, or we ask for help

FEichinger

I've got no problem with you trying to mitigate the problem. I'd just like to know, when I'm on mobile chat and can't even see the bloody edit. :P

Rory Alsop

@FEichinger oh - I see. How did it show up? I just replaced the f-word with 'rory' for fun :-)

and to make it obvious it was me so you'd know who to blame

:-P

FEichinger

I do see a changed message, but not an edit marker. Which, when you replace it with a generic symbol screams "Android is running loose" rather than mod edit.

Terry Chia

@FEichinger Get an iPhone then.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia speaking of which T-2 hours!!

FEichinger

15:01

@Terry Riiiiight.

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune WWDC? Yawn.

It's probably just a beta of iOS 8.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia well it may not be yawn, could be iPhone 6 + iWatch

that could be cool

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Hmm? I thought Apple usually announced iPhones at other events?

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia well they have announced hardware at WWDC before but not usually, that said I think they need to do something 12 months between hardware announcements is a bit long in the current market

even Microsoft are faster than them now

Terry Chia

WWDC is usually new software builds I think.

Maybe a refresh to the Macbook line.

I'm expecting iOS 8 announcement. I'm not really expecting new iPhones or iPads.

If there is a new iPhone though, I want to see what they do with the SoC.

Another 1.5 - 2x performance bump would be amazing.

Adnan

15:04

@kalina Absolutely correct. By actively trying to avoid something, you'll very likely not attain it.

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Btw, you seeing the drama over exploit regulation on Twitter?

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia I'm hoping for waterproof + improved fingerprint sensor...

@TerryChia I saw a little but not much, is this the EFF thing?

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Yeah, the EFF and ACLU thing.

My twitter feed is blowing up over it the past few days.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia yeah it's an interesting thing... exploit sales is (to me) an innately shady thing like arms sales

David Freitag

@kalina That's hot.

Terry Chia

15:07

@RоryMcCune Regulating it is almost definitely an exercise in futility though.

Rоry McCune

not to say that there's never a reason for it but if you're selling exploits to people you've got to know they may not always be used for "the right" reasons

kalina

@DavidFreitag this was not in response to any of the things I expected it to be in response to

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia sure you can't eliminate it, but turning software bugs into accepted currency is amazingly dangerous in terms of incentives for developers and software houses

kalina

at least some people notice it

@RoryAlsop well yeah

Rоry McCune

it puts people in a position where a struggling open source dev. on a popular project could be very tempted to "write himself a new mini-van" to quote dilbert

kalina

15:09

@RоryMcCune nothing shady about arms sales

the man I bought my last sniper rifle off was so friendly

Rоry McCune

@kalina depends on which end of the gun you are, I'd imagine...

kalina

operating out of the back of his lorry

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune I think the primary concern is that regulation might make offensive research illegal. Which is 100% a bad thing.

kalina

under a bridge

in the dark

@TerryChia I am researching marijuana

extensively

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia sure making research illegal is obv. bad as we've seen that the software industry will only move forward when pushed, but perhaps enforcing 1st sale to the vendor at .gov agreed rates would be an option to reduce the mis-use

David Freitag

15:10

@kalina That reminds me of Weeds. Which i still need to finish

kalina

my boredom levels are beginning to peak

there will be a critical meltdown soon if they're not bought under control

David Freitag

@kalina Perhaps you should find more testicles to flatten.

I mean... uh.. walnuts.. to flatten.

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune That assumes that vendors will want to buy the bugs though.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia ah no you need a law compelling them to :)

Terry Chia

Also, gov agreed rates sounds terrible, not all bugs are worth the same amount.

Rоry McCune

15:15

@TerryChia you'd need a rate card

of course that still leaves the massive prob. of open source bugs...

kalina

I have found a bug that allows me full control over a computer

regardless of operating system

David Freitag

@kalina A hammer?

kalina

no

flirting with the owner

David Freitag

@kalina With a hammer?

Rоry McCune

@kalina and now you know why the best "social engineers" tend to be female....

FEichinger

15:17

@kalina Would not work on me.

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Bug bounties fixes that imo as long as companies actually using the projects are willing to open up their wallets.

kalina

@FEichinger sounds like a challenge

FEichinger

@kalina Bring it.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia well we've started to see that with the linux foundation money for OpenSSL et al

kalina

@FEichinger you wouldn't stand a chance

Terry Chia

15:18

Sure, you probably get less money than a private sale but you get the reputation which can lead to lucrative consulting opportunities.

FEichinger

@kalina Bring. It.

kalina

@FEichinger wouldn't. stand. a. chance

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia problem is that .GOVs like the status quo 'cause it lets them buy easily for their "cyber weapons" programme...

@kalina @FEichinger Get. A. Room. :op

David Freitag

@FEichinger Margret Thatcher on a cold evening night.

FEichinger

@kalina I do, if you don't even try.

kalina

15:19

A serious place where infosec is discussed PS we don't do hard...

3

@FEichinger don't flatter yourself, I never said anything about trying

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune And this is the same government that is trying to introduce regulation. See the problem with that? ;)

FEichinger

@Rory We do! It's ... See above.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia yes!

FEichinger

@kalina See, then I win.

kalina

as a matter of fact, not trying is part of my strategy

it will seem like a completely casual encounter where you're winning at every opportunity and then BAM

all your passwords, your bank account, etc etc

and you in public with no clothes on

Terry Chia

15:20

Talking about open source projects, i'm surprised that three python web frameworks made it into Google's Patch Rewards program but Rails did not. google.com.sg/about/appsecurity/patch-rewards

FEichinger

Dropping me off in the desert?

kalina

@TerryChia google like python

FEichinger

Also, what use would my bank accounts be to you, of all people?

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia I did notice that, guess they're not big ruby fans...

FEichinger

You aren't properly employed and you still make more than I do.

kalina

15:23

true enough

Terry Chia

I may try to contribute to some of this projects in light of this, hard to say no to money.

kalina

I'm not employed at all, technically

at least until I get around to setting up my company

to funnel all of my taxable income through ireland

FEichinger

Shame on you! Trait-- oh, right. Damn.

kalina

15:37

you killed chat

it's all your fault

I hope you're sufficiently happy with yo urself

chatkiller

Barry Carlyon

laments the death of chat

kalina

oh

FEichinger

Very happy with myself, yes.

So happy, in fact, I didn't even notice it.

kalina

15:53

I am officially more active in the DMZ than @RоryMcCune

Barry Carlyon

\o/

Rоry McCune

@kalina congratulations, i didn't realise there were official stats for that

kalina

@ton.yeung being an asshole

Terry Chia

@ton.yeung Spam?

I guess it could be considered a form of phishing?

FEichinger

16:13

"being" is a verb, silly.

Nick

Aaaand the chat died

FEichinger

16:29

Weird, isn't it?

Scott Pack

17:01

@RoryAlsop i.chzbgr.com/completestore/14/5/27/B9vWXQElnkO1Fu0iRFqKog2.jpg

@DavidFreitag I know how you feel.

@TerryChia I watch it on Monday nights. So roughly 8 hours from now.

Terry Chia

@ScottPack Ahh. I think you pretty much know who died already from last weeks episode?

Scott Pack

@TerryChia I've read all the books, yes.

I've been looking forward to this episode since Oberyn first appeared on screen.

Iszi

17:20

Is anyone here actually watching WWDC? I think I'm getting enough exposure by just catching tweets from the fanboys I know who are.

David Freitag

@ScottPack Also, it doesn't look like those guys are going to get funded. They need to double their current amount in 13 days.

Iszi

@ScottPack Crap. Now I've got 3 to catch up on.

BTW: Apparently you shouldn't watch The Wil Wheaton Project if you're not fully caught up on your SF&F shows. Just because you say "spoiler alert" doesn't mean you're doing it right, if you're only giving the audience about five seconds to find the remote before you show the spoiler.

FEichinger

17:43

Ah, but you're supposed to be prepared and have the remote at hand.

Adnan

One hour.. one full hour.. trying to find a way to create an animated GIF of a spinning gear with a transparent background and smooth edges.

Impossible!

There's absolutely no way to do it.

and then I thought: "How about a .png with some CSS animation?"

Ahhh.. an hour well wasted

FEichinger

@Adnan Of course that's impossible. You're trying to do that with a gif.

(That said, I suppose you could generate a data URL after polling the background colour ...)

Lucas Kauffman

@Avid tried the aeropress, I used columbian coffee, which is a tad to sharp to my liking, but I'm overall very pleased with the result

Adnan

@FEichinger Well, I had no idea it wasn't possible with gif.

FEichinger

@Adnan Know your formats.

Adnan

17:54

@FEichinger Uuhhh.. umm.. yeah. You're wrong

A- GIF supports transparent backgrounds

B- GIF supports animations

Braiam

C- GIF doesn't support you

2

FEichinger

@Adnan Single colour, not alpha. For smooth edges, you need alpha.

Adnan

D- GIF can handle smooth edges

Well.. shit

Anyway, CSS worked for me jsfiddle.net/u6B9M

Braiam

@Adnan is that supposed to rotate?

FEichinger

@Adnan As I said, know your formats.

Adnan

17:57

@Braiam Yeap

@FEichinger While that's a valid advice, I'll opt not to follow it in the case of GIF

never using GIF again

@Braiam Are you supposed to troll?

Braiam

@Adnan sometimes.... when it's amusing ;)

@Adnan arg, I know why is not rotating, summary firefox != webkit

Iszi

Is this real? If so, Tim Cook needs to fire someone.

Device Enterprise Readiness Program. #wwdc

Tweeted by secboffin on June 2, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Rory Alsop

@scottp - is that one of your family?

Xander

18:13

2

Iszi

@Xander Saw that on Twitter, though I don't remember if it was from you or someone else. (Or might have been from more than one.)

Xander

@Iszi That's where I just found it...I retweeted it. The tweet didn't OneBox well, so I just posted the image here.

Rоry McCune

18:30

@kalina wrong window?

kalina

and that will teach her to leave her phone unlocked

om nom nom

Rоry McCune

ah that was my second guess

random hacker hacks

Lucas Kauffman

@kalina so what is your name?

real name

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman cruel

kalina

@rory deletions please

Rоry McCune

18:34

@kalina sorry I can't do deletions, you need @RoryAlsop for that

or perhaps @AviD if he's about

kalina

Sigh

Rоry McCune

@kalina on the bright side you have someone to set on fire now

kalina

Who tells somebody they've just done that

Surely it would be "more fun" if the victim didn't know

Rоry McCune

@kalina well if you came back to that on the starwall tomorrow sometime after @Adnan and @TerryChia and @Simon had seen it

that'd have been amusing

Simon

allo

Rоry McCune

18:37

evenin'

Simon

Why wasn't I invited to the discussion about the D?

FEichinger

18:58

@LucasKauffman Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Rоry McCune

@FEichinger so has she given you into trouble for stealing her phone like that?

FEichinger

@RоryMcCune That was most certainly not me.

Rоry McCune

@FEichinger uh huh

FEichinger

I assume it was the owner of the dog that woke her up.

Rоry McCune

hey I only know what I see, one minute the two of you are flirting up a storm and the next there are salacious comments posted from her phone...

FEichinger

19:07

Well, then, just to clarify this for you: @kalina and I are neither in a relationship, nor in any reasonable physical vicinity that would make it possible for me to steal her phone.

Rоry McCune

@FEichinger you don't get when someone is pulling your leg do you?

I should've included a smiley :op

FEichinger

I'd rather be a bit overly cautious, because that point is often not as clear as it probably should be.

Some awkward conversations were had already ...

Braiam

May 20 at 3:57, by Terry Chia

I see chat got weird again.

Rоry McCune

@FEichinger I wouldn't worry about things being unclear too much this is the Internet and for all anyone here knows we're all dogs, AI's or aliens!

for all I know the person going by @kalina could be a 50 year old man in Bratislava

FEichinger

@RоryMcCune Oh, I don't worry about that. I worry about said awkward conversations.

Rоry McCune

19:11

and you could be a 34 year old divorcee in ulan bator

FEichinger

Aaaand now @RoryM killed the chat.

AviD

19:33

My brain feels like it was anally molested.

NOT that I would know how that feels, but I can imagine.

urrmm, not that I DO imagine, or want to imagine, or spend time imagining...

FEichinger

@AviD ... Your brain ... anally molested ...

2

AviD

Crap. This got out of hand.

Although, it is still pretty much the most intellectually stimulating conversation I've had all day.

Iszi

@AviD Wow, I generally try to only star one post in a series like that but I'm not sure which of those should get it.

FEichinger

Soo ... with your newly-found intellect ... Explain to me, how your brain was anally molested? I mean, that must've been one hell of a long ... uhh ...

2

@Iszi Take mine, it sums it up quite nicely.

AviD

@ton.yeung no no, I mean intellectually.

Iszi

19:35

@FEichinger I think I will. Nicely done.

AviD

@FEichinger exactly. another day of training braindead nonprogrammers how to write secure code.

Rоry McCune

@AviD eval == evil .. done

AviD

Also, didja know that the only reason SSL and PKI works is cuz DNS is so darn rock-hard? Us security types keep getting it mixed up.

<-- this for twenty minutes.

Rоry McCune

I actually saw someone using eval just to avoid writing a 4-way case statement the other day

FEichinger

@AviD So, did they each have a go at ... reaching up to your brain ... from the inside?

AviD

19:37

but hell, at least it fills the time.

Rоry McCune

@AviD riiight

AviD

@RоryMcCune I think that is actually too much of a stretch for this bunch.

Nick

6GB of RAM all used by chrome :P

well I guess its these 20 tabs of youtube videos

AviD

@TerryChia re DSA 4096 bit keys, I'm pretty sure that DSA doesnt support keys that long.

I know originally it was only up to 1024, I think it's now up to 2048.

nope, it's up to 3072.

Digital Signature Algorithm

The Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA) is a Federal Information Processing Standard for digital signatures. It was proposed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) in August 1991 for use in their Digital Signature Standard (DSS) and adopted as FIPS 186 in 1993. Four revisions to the initial specification have been released: FIPS 186-1 in 1996, FIPS 186-2 in 2000, FIPS 186-3 in 2009, and FIPS 186-4 in 2013. DSA is covered by , filed July 26, 1991 and attributed to David W. Kravitz, a former NSA employee. This patent was given to "The United States of America as represent...

though that's the first I've seen key of that lenght...

also I doubt thats what the edit was about...? :$

hahaha, this:

11 hours ago, by Terry Chia

@FEichinger It did strike me that Lighty is a less likable version of @Simon.

Rоry McCune

@nmonkee ta. This seems pretty cool http://t.co/psxncHsVC8

Tweeted by dcuthbert on June 2, 2014 at 7:39 PM in reply to nmonkee

Rory Alsop

19:49

meta.ath0.com/2014/05/30/truecrypt-warrant-canary-confirmed

Rоry McCune

hey @AviD imagine doing code review on that!

AviD

@RоryMcCune oh lord. that would suck all kinds of

Rоry McCune

@AviD yeah but you can bet some devs will find it amusing to do that

@AviD I bet the peeps at Checkmarx will be consuming much alcohol working out how to parse all that nonsense..

AviD

hahaha

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Seems like wild speculation to me. Let's see it from a more reliable source.

AviD

19:51

@Iszi yeah, but wild speculation makes the not knowing so much more fun.

Rоry McCune

but it's ok it's not like the NSA have any previous form of doing that kind of thing

in the absence of evidence prior conduct takes on more significance...

Iszi

I'm still really disappointed in the way they handled the shutdown. The guides on the site fail to really get across the message that they're leaving Windows Home users out of luck, for one. Nor do they mention a lot of the differences in minimum requirements between TrueCrypt & BitLocker.

Had to figure out the hard way that BitLocker needs a minimum volume size of 64 MB. TrueCrypt was able to go down to < 300 KB!

Rory Alsop

@Iszi - yes, but interesting nonetheless

AviD

@Iszi is that a big deal?

Iszi

@AviD If you're putting those volumes in the cloud, and the files they're protecting are fairly small, yeah.

That's a metric crap-ton of overhead.

AviD

19:55

@Iszi ah, cloud, good point.

I think 64MB is also the minimum for a VHD.

Iszi

@AviD No, I was able to get down to 20 or less.

AviD

ah yeah? interesting. so why does BL need 64?

Iszi

Actually, I think it can even go down into the single digits. The VHD and file systems only need about 3 MB total.

@AviD No clue. It's not taking any of it up.

Made a 100 MB VHD last night. Formatted as FAT. Protected with BitLocker. 97 MB free.

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