The DMZ

Iszi

03:02

@Xander Improbable, but not impossible. This tweet was rather poignant.

But more to the point, if the Truecrypt signing key was stolen & and the TC devs can't let us know -- that's reason enough to be cautious.

Tweeted by matthew_d_green on May 28, 2014 at 10:40 PM

Scott Pack

Is there reason to suspect the signing key has gotten out?

Iszi

@ScottPack So long as you suspect the whole thing is a hoax, yes.

Interestingly, I believe I've seen contradictory claims on this though. Some claim the key was changed shortly before the website update, while others are claiming the key is the same that was used to sign 7.1a.

Signing key aside, if anything has been compromised which would allow anyone to pull off a hoax like this, and the TrueCrypt devs can't let us know, then that really is almost more worrisome than the possibility that this is actually real.

Scott Pack

03:21

I agree. The closed mouthiness of this is probably the weirdest part

I say that admitting the first I heard of it was a couple of hours ago in this room.

Iszi

@ScottPack I'm not sure I'd say "weirdest". Given that nobody really knows who the TrueCrypt devs are, and I'm pretty sure they have no social media or other noteworthy online presence, it almost makes sense that the website update that has been done is the only message we might ever hear from them.

Scott Pack

03:33

I SAY WEIRD GODDAMNIT

Terry Chia

04:23

Someone just fork Truecrypt already.

strugee

@TerryChia assuming the license allows forking.

$5 says that Friday's xkcd is about the TrueCrypt scandal.

Terry Chia

@strugee It does I think.

strugee

@TerryChia oh ok

I thought no one knew

that was supposed to be a part of istruecryptauditedyet.com, right?

Iszi

06:25

@strugee Yeah. Phase 3 I think.

Speaking of... what's up with the cert at istruecryptauditedyet.com ?

tylerl

@strugee it's a OpenSSL-style GPL-ish license with funny attributation requirements.

Iszi

So, according to Krebs, Green and company plan on continuing to use the crowdsourced funds to finish the audit. I wonder if anyone will start up a new project called IsTrueCryptRewrittenYet?

GoDaddy says IsTrueCryptRewrittenYet.com is available.

Terry Chia

@Iszi Go grab it. :P

You could get istruecryptforkedyet.com as well.

Iszi

06:40

@ThomasPornin should write the new TrueCrypt.

I mean, really, who else could we trust to do it?

this.josh

06:51

trust no one

its obviously a forgery, truecrypt works on multiple OSes not just Windows.

Iszi

@this.josh That's addressed on the site also, though seeming more as an afterthought.

this.josh

Clearly rhetoric designed to throw the average user into panic mode.

Which ironically is a Linux feature

btw stack chat is still very Tor/locked-down browser unfriendly, but I suppose no one else complains

Iszi

07:08

@this.josh How locked down?

Just need to enable JavaScript from three domains.

this.josh

no local storage, no cookies, no cross scripting

Iszi

@this.josh Ah. There's probably one or two in there I haven't bothered with yet.

this.josh

a browser should leave a zero byte footprint on your device or it is no longer a 'browser'

I usually get "No referer was present - this may be due to a browser setting" on my first few attempts.

Are cookies really necessary to get everyone's gr/avitar icon?

Iszi

@this.josh Are cookies really ever necessary for a site like this?

I mean, sure they facilitate some nice usability features. But, at its most basic level, does the site really need them?

this.josh

No! But aparently I'm only allowed to see 4 avatar icons.

Iszi

07:22

@this.josh That's odd. I thought everyone's avatar was served by Gravatar now.

this.josh

even if I manually load the image url and see the image by itself

Rory A doesn't: i.sstatic.net/E4gPj.jpg?s=128&g=1

nor does Terry i.sstatic.net/dhiYi.png?s=128&g=1&g&s=32

kisun i.sstatic.net/2IxAq.jpg?s=128&g=1&g&s=32

Iszi

Interesting. Anyway, it's way past my bedtime.

this.josh

bedtime is irrelevent

Iszi

@this.josh No, I'm pretty sure I've had more than my allotted dosage of sleep deprivation for the week.

this.josh

sleep time is relevent, its the bed you don't require

Iszi

07:35

@this.josh Yeah, but it's generally frowned upon to use one's desk at work for the purpose.

G'night.

this.josh

G'night.

AviD

09:32

bloody frikkin hell.

Terry Chia

@AviD What is it this time?

AviD

I can't get my ISP to send me my bill as a proper attachment (they use links to their site, as if that's "included" in the email), but my pension/insurance company is happy to send me quarterly reports. To my email.

of course, signing up and getting access to all me details was as difficult as verifying my email address - and then providing any (national) id number. So I guess email is not worse.

oh hang on, the file is encrypted. "encrypted", heh.

this gonn' be gewd.

Terry Chia

@AviD Security is Hard™.

AviD

@TerryChia I'll tell ya what else is hard....

Terry Chia

@AviD I'd rather not know.

AviD

09:36

guessing the password for the encrypted file.

I am not impressed.

seriously, somebody should teach these clueless programmers a thing or two about security. OH WAIT I AM SPENDING THIS MONTH DOING JUST THAT.

and suffering for it.

to be clear, the email states that the password to the encryption is 4 digits from my national id.

a. 4 digits? Seriously? what is this, an ATM?

b. National Id's here are public knowledge.... easily available on government websites.

so I want to complain to them about the fugged up email policy, but its not like its gonna help, they couldnt really understand much when I complained about how easy it was to get access to any person's policies.

on the other hand, there is this:

Q: How to generate pure random string? A: Put a fresh student in front of vi editor and ask him to quit.

Tweeted by taitooz on May 26, 2014 at 5:33 PM

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Terry Chia

@AviD They won't listen until you Hack All The Things.

kalina

10:37

fine

I'm awake

WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME

WHY WON'T YOU JUST LET ME SLEEP

Rоry McCune

►

kalina

no.

fine

time to play watchdogs

falls out of bed

Barry Carlyon

/me throws empty paper coffee cups at @kalina

kalina

IMMUNE

Barry Carlyon

switches to throwing pizza boxes

kalina

10:42

IMMUNE

Barry Carlyon

Damn

kalina

sets fire to @BarryCarlyon

Barry Carlyon

I is coding here. I want to Watch Dogs TOOOOOO!

burns

OH THE HUMANITY!

Terry Chia

/me throws @kalina at @kalina

kalina

IMMUNE

Barry Carlyon

10:43

runs around the room screaming

AviD

@BarryCarlyon why would you spoil good coffee by putting it in a paper cup?

kalina

Watchdogs isn't anything special

It's such a disappointment tbh

The worst of it is

Barry Carlyon

@AviD my co-worker brings it in paper cups.

kalina

It's not a "bad" game

Terry Chia

@AviD I didn't see him saying anything about good coffee.

kalina

10:43

It's... just not a "good" game either

it also runs like a speedboat on gravel

Barry Carlyon

The Mobile Game is clever. Someone challenged me to a race from his mobile and I drove a race on my Xbox One. I git a video of it somewhere.

Some of the game mechanics are clever.

AviD

@TerryChia that's like the age old question of an unstoppable object and immovable force...

kalina

that's just it

AviD

@BarryCarlyon I dont understand.

kalina

It's basically

AviD

10:44

@TerryChia ah! This does explain the paper cups part.

kalina

"I want to be GTA/Driver/etc"

and it does all of those things

AviD

although, the question wqould remain why drink ungood coffee, when I have fantastic coffee sitting right here?

kalina

it isn't "good" at any of them and it isn't "bad" at any of them

Barry Carlyon

Sec I'll grab the video.

kalina

the only time the game is good is when it's being unique

Terry Chia

10:45

@AviD Not everyone is a coffee snob like you.

AviD

@TerryChia haha

kalina

and that's let down by my PC struggling to get 30 FPS out of it because of how badly optimised the game is

Barry Carlyon

@AviD you on about coffee of Watch Dogs mobile?

AviD

actually, my daughter just made me a milkshake. delicious.

kalina

her milkshake brings all the dads to the yard

4

there you go, ruined it for you

Terry Chia

10:46

@AviD Because it really is delicious or because your daughter made it so it has to be delicious?

AviD

@kalina hahaha, no, thats damn funny.

Barry Carlyon

twitch.tv/barrycarlyon/c/4348655

AviD

@TerryChia no no, it's delish. She's old enough that I dont have to tell her its delicious when its not.

I would have to drink it anyway, just wouldnt have to say anything nice about it.

kalina

brb, teaching @AviD's daughter how to poison people

AviD

hehehe

kalina

10:47

"here daddy, this one is arsenic flavoured"

AviD

that's.... a scary thought. Scariest part is she would probably get along well with you.

typical angsty teenager.

Rоry McCune

@AviD that's a burn

kalina

are you implying I'm angsty?

AviD

nooo, I meant her.

Terry Chia

@kalina @ScottPack's daughter needs some education as well.

kalina

10:48

awesome

Rory Alsop

@AviD ...**Good** coffee?

there is no such thing

kalina

I saw a message I've never seen before lastnight

as a result of running Watchdogs for most of the day I got an "out of memory" error

Rory Alsop

@BarryCarlyon mobile game? What is this?

kalina

@RoryAlsop game that has wheels

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop well there's definitely bad coffee...

and not bad coffee

Rory Alsop

10:50

@kalina Ah - that is because you are young. Back in the day, when you only had 1k of RAM if you were lucky, it happened all the time

Rоry McCune

and nespresso's kind of nice

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune :-)

You spoiled me with your vanilla

3

kalina

@RoryAlsop starbucks frappuccino

FEichinger

@RoryAlsop Stop making me feel old, just because I've done all of that as well. :(

Rory Alsop

I want to learn how to drink ristretto

Terry Chia

10:51

@RoryAlsop That sounds dirty.

FEichinger

Also, good afternoon, DMZ.

kalina

it's evening

Rоry McCune

@kalina you moving around again (at least putatively)

Rory Alsop

Afternoon @Fei, @ter, @kal and other Rory

Barry Carlyon

@RoryAlsop On the Watch Dogs App. You challenge some one the PC/Xbox/PS version to a game. And in that video, I was challened to a check point race. I drove the race and the other guy tried to stop me finishing. By triggering the traffic lights etc.

FEichinger

10:52

@kalina For you perhaps, sleepyhead.

Barry Carlyon

"someone on the"

Rory Alsop

@BarryCarlyon ahh - hadn't heard of it

sounds interesting

kalina

its not

do you know what else isn't interesting?

Barry Carlyon

@RoryAlsop works fairly well in real time. But the guy who challenged me said there was a bit of lag. It's a clever idea. But I had heard there were other ways to affect other peoples games.

kalina

seventeen frames per second.

@BarryCarlyon there is a multiplayer option in game

AviD

10:53

@TerryChia "sounds" dirty...?

kalina

lets you enter people's games and hack them

far far better than the mobile app

I was playing aroudn with it all lastnight

one of the game modes you enter their game and hide and then start hacking them

and they have to find you before you finish hacking them

Barry Carlyon

@kalina I tried to pop onto multiplayer when the tutorial thing went thru it but it didn't find me a game :-(

kalina

I just parked on the roof of a multistory carpark for a bit

Barry Carlyon

That sounds like fun tho.

kalina

but there's also race modes and free roam etc

Barry Carlyon

10:54

I was just driving around yesterday between missions and the challenge popped up :-D

kalina

my biggest problem with watchdogs is the story is crap

I could have forgiven everything else

Barry Carlyon

Indeed. Not enough back story laid down at the start.

I'm not very far in so far.

Only reason I was casting it was for lol's

And it's far too easy to cast from the Xbone

Was only gonna play an hour ended up doing 3 1/2 :-D

kalina

yeah

I was going to sleep before today started but ended up playing until 6am

and the vast majority of that was murdering civilians

Barry Carlyon

Haha

Rory Alsop

@kalina with fire I hope

kalina

10:58

with cars, with trucks, with boats, with assault rifles, with frag grenades

Barry Carlyon

Some of the hackable peoples phone calls are filthy as hell…

kalina

with police officers

AviD

@kalina and how much of that was in-game?

kalina

@AviD oh about 3%

don't worry though, we're already controlling the flow of information

nobody will know I wiped out a large portion of china

Barry Carlyon

Cool I need a new house

Can you get me something nice in China?

kalina

10:59

there is no "nice"

Barry Carlyon

Oh

Ok

kalina

there is only smouldering flesh

Barry Carlyon

:-(

kalina

piles of it

Barry Carlyon

Haha

kalina

10:59

watchdogs

BYE

Barry Carlyon

Have fun!

Rоry McCune

hey @AviD stop getting rep, you're making the users list look messy!

Barry Carlyon

throws paper things at @AviD

AviD

huh? I'm losing rep, at least relative to my repneighbors.

oh. interesting. BACK ON SECOND ROW, B**CHES!

Rоry McCune

@AviD well in that case something happened to @LucasKauffman 'cause he's back down on row 2

AviD

11:07

@BarryCarlyon IGNORE

Barry Carlyon

cries

TildalWave

@BarryCarlyon should have used rocks or scissors :P

AviD

@RоryMcCune nah, its me jam.

Barry Carlyon

@TildalWave Damn! :-D

Rоry McCune

@AviD either that or you told the devs you were training yesterday to go upvote you :op

AviD

11:08

heh, actually that has happened.

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune hahaha - yep, just need Lucas to overtake AviD and Gilles to overtake Hendrik - that will help ease OCD

AviD

during one of the classes last couple weeks ago, one of the guys started researching me, and then started asking me questions based on some of my posts.

more on SO, but here too.

and along the way upvoted some of them. Apparently.

@RoryAlsop yeah, the users list would look so much neater if there were no users on it...

Terry Chia

11:41

Snowden endorsed #Lavabit. Closed. Also endorsed #TrueCrypt. Closed. #Pattern?

Tweeted by indigocy on May 29, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Rory Alsop

Haha

AviD

I heard that Snowden was complaining that the NSA claimed that he was "just" a lowly Sharepoint developer. He of course claimed that he had a BIG IMPORTANT SECRET job designing cryptography and such.

While the NSA is hardly a reliable source on this, his own claims did sound a lot like Russel Crowe in "A Beautiful Mind".

kalina

12:01

all sharepoint developers are lowly

it's inferred by the "sharepoint" word

real development is too hard for them

it's like people who develop using PHP instead of a real programming language

2

cc @fei

kalina

12:14

@AviD moderator admits to soliciting upvotes in exchange for accreditations

also I'm bored

AviD

@kalina heh, way to go on the reading comprehension.

kalina

only fools believe the official story

AviD

and only paranoiacs completely ignore it.

kalina

not true

so do journalists

and politicians

and in some cases, lawyers

AviD

all are proper subsets

kalina

12:20

sigh

smoke huge spliff outside in the wind

or smoke huge spliff in the conservatory

or

collapse on my bed and smoke it in here

AviD

12:37

this is pretty cool:

►

Barry Carlyon

All three @kalina

AviD

remote controlled buetooth enabled electric paper airplanes.

Barry Carlyon

Clever tech that

kalina

@BarryCarlyon what was that link to you playing multiplayer watchdogs?

with your friend on mobile

Barry Carlyon

sec

Here we go: twitch.tv/barrycarlyon/c/4348655

Terry Chia

12:40

Barry Carlyon

oh contains swearing :-D

And delightful video of my living room

kalina

@BarryCarlyon thanks, I just stole a screengrab for my first SE post in (relatively) ages

Barry Carlyon

Nice :-D

@kalina is it worth linking to the video to show the whole interaction?

Scott Pack

12:59

@TerryChia Apparently after a lawsuit from a company saying they ripped off their code they relicensed it to match the original product. I've never looked at that license.

@TerryChia Well, that's interesting. I logged in, and only saw that and the following 3 messages until I refreshed. I thought it had simply been a quiet morning.

Barry Carlyon

Yay for chat derp \o/

kalina

@BarryCarlyon I just gave him the bit he asked for

you could if you wanted

Barry Carlyon

shrugs

Simon

13:20

allo

Nick

Thunderstorm please go away I don't have surge protection setup yet >:(

AviD

Rain rain, go away, come again some other day

Barry Carlyon

<3 THUNDER

AviD

@Simon If I didn't know better, I would have thought that was Simon.

Rоry McCune

@Nick unplug all the things! (including phone lines plugged into ADSL modems)

Simon

13:26

o

Nick

@AviD and as you said that.... rain became hail :P

AviD

@BarryCarlyon THUNDER, LIGHTNING, THE WIND OUTSIDE IS SO DAMN FRIGHTENING

Nick

@RоryMcCune but i have work to do >:C

AviD

STAND CLEEEEAAAAAR

WE'RE LIVING IN THE HURRICANE YEARS

Simon

I don't even like broccoli.

Barry Carlyon

13:28

<3 THUNDER

kalina

thunder is the best

I sleep so well during thunderstorms

Nick

Nuuuu its not :(

Rоry McCune

@Nick ya won't if a lightning strike fries your firewall... happened to me (true story)

kalina

"my firewall is... on fire"

6

Nick

@RоryMcCune Once a strike made my router blow up... xD

Barry Carlyon

13:32

Once a strike tried to strike me but I took an arrow to the knee instead

Simon

Man, who allowed these nerdy nerds to be nerding in the nerdiest chat on this nerdy website?

2

@TerryChia nurd

Nick

@BarryCarlyon an arrow to the knee is slang for getting married xD

kalina

Simon is biggest nerd

Barry Carlyon

@Nick learn something new everyday…

Simon

Wait, who changed the tag to no-nono-yolo?

I dig that big time #yolo

kalina

13:35

#yolo

Simon

@kalina Feels good, right?

AviD

@Simon flagged

Simon

@AviD Just type it once, you'll understand.

AviD

F

L

A

G

Simon

fu

AviD

13:36

G .

Barry Carlyon

SPAM!

AviD

E

D

Barry Carlyon

./timeout @AviD 86400

AviD

yup, feels good.

Rоry McCune

room topic changed to The DMZ: The first breach costs you an arm.... [double-entendre] [food] [libations] [no-no-nono-yolo] [rory] [security]

Barry Carlyon

13:36

Oh wait no mod powers FailFish also not Twitch Chat FailFish

Simon

@RоryMcCune NOOOOOO

Rоry McCune

sorry I'm afraid I can't allow random yolo'ing in here

7

Barry Carlyon

But #Yolo

Simon

My head hurts so fucking much and I didn't even drink last night, when did I become a gigantic pussy?

Iszi

Wow. I gotta remember to start closing my browser before I leave work. Still had pages with boobies and tits hanging open when I came back today.

Nick

13:40

@Iszi and clear your history :P

Rоry McCune

or have differnet ffox profiles for work and home

AviD

or dont browse crap when you should be working

Iszi

@RоryMcCune Why would that help?

Rоry McCune

@Iszi so when you're using your work profile if someones looking at your screen and you start typing it doesn't autocomplete the dodgy site you were on the night before :)

AviD

@RоryMcCune room topic changed to The DMZ: The first breach costs you an arm.... [double-entendre] [food] [libations] [rory] [security] [screw-simon] [simon-sucks] [if-he-yolos-one-more-frikkin-time-I-will-slice-him-open-like-a-Quentin-Tarantin‌o-character]

Barry Carlyon

13:44

hahah

Simon

@AviD #YOOOOOOOOOLOOOOOOOOOO

Nick

@Iszi I want to see your boss face if they have a proxy monitoring traffic xD

Iszi

@RоryMcCune Oh, you're presuming I use history & tab sync.

AviD

dammit, he ran away before I could kick his ass

Iszi

Nope, I was looking at boobies and tits at work Tuesday.

AviD

13:45

@Nick what kind of place do you think he works at?? This is 2014 for chrissake.

Simon

MAYDAY MAYDAY, I'VE BEEN KICKED OUT OF THE ROOM

AviD

@Simon what?

Simon

MAYDAY MAYDAY, IT HAPPENED AGAIN

Nick

@AviD I know a few work places that use a proxy :P

Iszi

yesterday, by Iszi

Blue-footed booby

The Blue-footed Booby (Sula nebouxii) is a marine bird in the family Sulidae, which includes ten species of long-winged seabirds. Blue-footed boobies belong to the genus Sula, which comprises six species of boobies. It is easily recognizable by its distinctive bright blue feet, which is a sexually selected trait. Males display their feet in an elaborate mating ritual by lifting their feet up and down while strutting before the female. The female is slightly larger than the male and can measure up to 90 cm (36 in) long with a wingspan of up to 1.5 m (4.9 ft). The natu...

Simon

13:46

old

as old as @AviD

AviD

oh, proxy sure, but traffic monitoring? for adults?

Barry Carlyon

ha

booby

is an adult honest

AviD

@RоryMcCune on second thought.... I think I'm going to start using YOLO pretty often. As a threat.

Nick

@AviD A friends worplace has a proxy which dumps every DNS request and some people inspect it at the end of every day xD

AviD

@Nick if he is an intelligent knowledge worker, tell him he should switch to a mature organization, without a poison culture, where they will treat him like an adult.

2

Barry Carlyon

13:49

^^

kalina

bored

blaming all of you guys

Barry Carlyon

Sorry I take full responsibility.

Simon

@AviD Do you think I'll get to see a picture of your pillow patch before I die?

AviD

@Simon not a chance, ya damn pervert.

I'm married, and straight.

Rоry McCune

@kalina I recommend speaking to @simon for a while, he'll doubtless say something you could construe as offensive and then you can occupy yourself imagining an elaborate revenge

that or work on the ... song

AviD

13:54

@RоryMcCune @kalina or bore you into a coma.

Barry Carlyon

or cheese

AviD

bore you into cheese?

Barry Carlyon

Just cheese…

AviD

That does explain roquefort.

Simon

I'm the most entertaining man on earth. I can tell you random bullshit, you can hit me in the face and finally we can dance together to some hard dance beats.

AviD

13:56

room topic changed to The DMZ: The first breach costs you an arm.... [double-entendre] [food] [libations] [rory] [security]

Simon

@AviD #yolo

AviD

@RоryMcCune okay now I really did remove that senseless tag....

Simon

Guys, I think there's a bug in the chat. Every time I type #yolo, I get kicked out.

Barry Carlyon

Don't type it then?

Terry Chia

So what the hell is happening?

Simon

13:58

@BarryCarlyon #yolo

AviD

@BarryCarlyon speaking of which. We have Cheese Holiday coming up next week.

FEichinger

@kalina Hush you!

Barry Carlyon

Yay for cheese! \o/

AviD

Shavuot

(or , in Ashkenazi usage; Shavuʿoth in Classical and Mizrahi Hebrew (, lit. "Weeks"), known as the Feast of Weeks in English and as Πεντηκοστή (Pentecost) in Ancient Greek, is a Jewish holiday that occurs on the sixth day of the Hebrew month of Sivan (late May or early June). Shavuot commemorates the anniversary of the day God gave the Torah to the entire nation of Israel assembled at Mount Sinai, although the association between the giving of the Torah (Matan Torah) and Shavuot is not explicit in the Biblical text. The holiday is one of the Shalosh Regalim, the three Biblical pilgrima...

dammit, it doesnt onebox the internal section.

Barry Carlyon

Any excuse to enjoy cheese!

AviD

13:59

anyway, the dairy companies here have turned it into a Glorious Cheese Day, much like Hallmark turned Valentines Day into a romantic holiday. or whatever.

@TerryChia ymean about TrueCrypt?

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