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12:00
chilli and lime is a good combination, I always add lime to my curries to make it taste a bit more fresh
@RоryMcCune I also love lime chicken
with a lime yoghurt sauce
@LucasKauffman sure in a curry I could see it, but on popcorn.. I'd have to try it to be sure..
oh, on the food/drink subject anyone want to recommend a whisky for me to buy
so far I've tried Highland Park, Laphroig, glengoyne and jura
@RоryMcCune people are even making vinegar popcorn which I find to be quite heinos
order of preference so far is Highland park --> Glengoyne --> Jura --> laphroig
@RоryMcCune Aberlour Abunad'h if you want something stronger and otherwise a Bushmills 10
while this might be a bit of blasphemy considering it comes from ireland, it's still a very good whisky imo
chilli and lime works quite well, interestingly enough
12:02
pretty damn nice with some black chocolate
oh, and for amusement:
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whiskies - Bunnahabhain - nice if you like a peaty, smoky one, although I see you have laphraoig down as your least favourite
Try a Springbank for a really nice accessible whisky
the Balvenie range are delicious
@RoryAlsop +1 love the balvenie
@RoryAlsop the Laphroig is growing on me a bit as I get down the bottle, but still a bit of an acquired taste I think
@LucasKauffman @RoryAlsop I was thinking of balvenie
although probably not this one
Monkey Shoulder is a good one I drank a lot of over Christmas
@RоryMcCune why not?
12:07
@LucasKauffman it's something like £40,000 a bottle
and I'm not a millionaire :)
btw really try this, eat the darkest possible chocolate you can find with a glass of whisky
it's heavenly
@RоryMcCune oh well, that's kind of expensive :p
@LucasKauffman I've got a green and blacks tasting chocolate thing at the moment and they recommend butterscotch chocolate with whisky, not sure that I see it really
@LucasKauffman There are a few python alternatives if you are really determined to avoid Ruby.
@RоryMcCune butterscotch? no no no, that's way too sweet
@LucasKauffman Is that the adult version of eating it with iced water? :P
12:10
@TerryChia are you calling @LucasKauffman insane again...
@RоryMcCune What? No. I'm congratulating him on sensible language preferences.
you want something more bitter, plus some whiskys, especially the balvenie as it has hints of dark chocolate, it will be very complimentary
@TerryChia ahh you had it typed the wrong way round then, you meant "a few ruby alternatives, if you're really determined to avoid python"
@RоryMcCune Let's just laugh at the PHP people shall we?
well I just got a new colleague who is helping me develop on a project, his prefered language is SCALA. Ruby all sounds very sensible to me if I had to make the choice
12:11
@TerryChia and the perlies
@RоryMcCune @Scott!!!
@LucasKauffman Scala actually looks pretty neat.
@Lucas, I use 95% or higher cocoa chocolate grated onto champagne, specifically to heighten the champagne flavour
not sure about butterscotch, but I can understand using sweet
@LucasKauffman Btw, check this library out. github.com/pyca/cryptography
finally a single standard library for crypto?
that would be nice
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interesting stats
12:15
@LucasKauffman Yep. Really clean code as well. I'm contributing to it a little.
we close 2000 questions a year on Sec.SE
@TerryChia In that case, I apologize. I, in no way, meant to be condescending. Sorry.
@LucasKauffman Yup
@TerryChia We're cool?
@Adnan I'm sorry as well. I was bit annoyed because I hadn't eaten yet. :P
@TerryChia Wanna make out?
@Adnan Ew, no.
12:18
@TerryChia Oh, sorry. I meant @Lucas
@Adnan why you not be answering me bro D:
@Adnan Ah sure. @kalina was very wise.
3 hours ago, by kalina
sure, sure, blame @Lucas
@LucasKauffman You don't appear online for me
@TerryChia wash your typing fingers off with soap..
12:20
@Lucas Dear Jesus! You're not on my contact list. Do you have the cryptography kitten?
Anyone here watches HIMYM?
@Adnan I used to be part of your list you deleted me D:?
It just occurred to me that someone should cover the "You Just Got Slapped" song and turn it into "You Just Got Hacked".
@RoryAlsop @LucasKauffman Ya know in a real case of unexpected serendipity my missus has just come back from shopping with a bottle of 12 year old Balvenie!
\o/
@RоryMcCune must have given her one heck of a valentines days!
or she's just the best missus ever
12:30
@LucasKauffman she says it's the latter :)
@deed02392 I was just about to send you a message on Facebook
lol why @Adnan?
We're not seeing you here as often as before
I was off sick last week :(
12:32
@deed02392 Better now?
I normally come on as part of my bored at work routine
I should make it a habit to join at home too
Yeah fine now, it was only a cold
@AviD You still see it in Chrome? Because I don't .O
@TildalWave yes.
it has nothing to do with browser, its just that I have 2 different sessions. Choice is random.
@Marion - top work! (You were secretly browsing whilst at the shop, right?) :-)
@RоryMcCune apparently you don't like the smokey.
12:46
@AviD Funny
You should try The Macallan. I just got an extreeeeemely smooth special oak bottle, hint of vanilla, incredibly delicious.
In ten years time I'll let you guys all taste the Alsop 10yr old single malt. Patience...
@AviD well don't like is probably too strong, don't like as much as the others would be closer. the missus on the other hand really didn't like the laphroig, described it as "drinking stale cigarette ash"
hahahahaha
@RoryAlsop you bought a cask?
12:49
@RoryAlsop It's easy to talk about being patient for 10 years when you are a thousand years old isn't it?
Craig, Kieron and I will be sealing the cask in 1 months time. We have chosen the wood, amount of peat and charring, etc etc etc
And we have 3 friends who are creating another cask with differing qualities, so we can also make some blends in 7 years or so
@RoryAlsop cool.. how many bottles in a cask?
200-250
street value of an average 12yo cask is around 10k
@RoryAlsop well that should keep you in whisky for a while then..
well, we'll each only get 70-odd bottles :-)
12:53
@RоryMcCune she should try drinking lapsang souchang.
thats how I describe that, and I love me some peaty.
Note, that is "peaty" I love, not "Petey".
@RoryAlsop so, good for a month or so.
A good chunk are already earmarked as presents...
@AviD can you imagine that month though...
hahahahahaha
@RoryAlsop awww thats sweet, you didnt have to!
when was @simon last seen round these parts/
12:58
@deed02392 Normal days or Canadian days?
@TerryChia you read that Cracked calendar article too, huh
@AviD Heh. Yes, yes I did.
@RoryAlsop I'll be looking you up in 10 years then. I should be old enough to drink by then.
lol what is this Canadian days concept
@RоryMcCune that south park GoT episodes is fantastic.
13:00
@deed02392 Take anything. Anything at all. Slap Canadian in front of it and make fun of @Simon about it.
Except that I should have been working.
where is simon anyway?
has he been eaten by a moose
or ThomasPornin?
@LucasKauffman slapping something canadian in somebody's face.
lol nice @TerryChia
A moose bit Simon's sister once
13:02
Need an autohotkey script to always call him Canadian @simon
...No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse
with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given
her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and
star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo
Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst
Nordfink".
and just replace Norway with Canada - job's a good 'un
@deed02392 I think that's just called a @Simon.
it doesn't cite sources
So I get interchanging but same frequency of "Someone has sex in North Dakota" and "Someone in Denver orders a pizza" xkcd.com/1331 I wonder what that means?
but it mentions that quantum computing could dramatically increase the speed of breaking encryption "used for monetary transactions on the Internet"
Presuming that means AES, then? Since that is what we use, no?
13:19
@deed02392 I didn't read it, but a working quantum computer will break all commonly used forms of asymmetric algorithms and reduce the time needed to break symmetric algorithms by half.
@TerryChia only a perfect quantum computer.
@AviD Well, yeah. :P
@TerryChia It will reduce the effective key size by half, not time to break
@copy Ah yes. That was what I meant.
@copy that is VERY different. @TerryChia youre stoooopid.
13:21
@AviD Meh, can't argue with that.
@AviD I've seen two, need to watch the third, but yeah it was pretty funny, and I've not even seen GoT
Is that due to factorisation? Are we basically just talking about RSA?
@deed02392 RSA, DSA, DH. They are all very related in that the Shor's algorithm completely pwns them.
Ah OK. So theoretically, if an entity was harvesting SSL traffic and the exchange, someday they could decrypt that traffic with a quantum computer (since the symmetric key was exchanged with the easily breakable asymmetric algorithm)?
@deed02392 Essentially, yes.
@RоryMcCune Blasphemy!
13:40
so many people agreeing with me recently, what's going on?
Wouldn't the universe be boring if time travel and superluminal communication turned out to be impossible
@TerryChia problem is I've been spoilered for it already, with all the Internet chat, I pretty much know the salient points (people get killed a lot, there's a lot of nudity, the dragons never turn up) already
"the dragons never turn up"
lolol
Have you watched South Park/
@RоryMcCune Hey, I read the freaking books. I'm still watching no? ;)
@deed02392 that's where I got that bit from..
13:50
those episodes are great
it's still worth watching though, plenty other dramatic stuff happens despite lack of dragons
At some point I will start watching it...
Funny, first time I've seen SE ads rotating in place of community ads
ah un-whitelisting SE in ghostery solved that :)
@TerryChia Yes my dear?
@ScottPack @RоryMcCune was hating on your language.
@TerryChia Perl? @RoryMcCune? That seems unlikely.
14:03
2 hours ago, by Rоry McCune
@TerryChia and the perlies
@ScottPack Rly? it's Perl, the worlds only write-only programming language :)
@TerryChia thats because of all the nudity, no?
@AviD And the blood.
and the bloody nudity.
@RоryMcCune Write once, never modify ever again?
14:10
@RоryMcCune Isnt Perl code encrypted?
@AviD that's what it looks like to me, but @ScottPack is the man to ask
@AviD Oh, no wonder @ScottPack likes Perl so much. It's the One True Language for a security professional!
@TerryChia that's a great meme to spread... it'll provide us all great job security, if all security code is perl
think of all the re-writes that'd be needed.
@RоryMcCune Re-writing perl code implies reading it. I'd rather quit.
@RоryMcCune Whatever.
Perl is pretty amazing because you can make it completely terrible or completely awesome.
14:20
for any of you cyanogen mod users out there
@ScottPack or terribly awesome. Or, for that matter (and more common), awesomely terrible.
@AviD I'm a big hater of clever coding in any language because it always results in unreadable garbage.
You know what they say. It is twice as hard to debug code, so if you write it as clever as you can, by definition you are not clever enough to debug it.
I think that was Alan Kay?
"Why use 3 lines when I can use one?" < Fuck those guys.
@AviD Brian Kernighan
14:30
@AviD for the longest time that was my official at work sig file :)
now it "Our code review tool shows deleted code in red and added code in green.
Really, it should be the other way around."
@ScottPack Why are you dissing on functional programming?
@TerryChia I'm dissing "clever" coders. Those jerkfaces who use clever programming tactics in order to make their code shorter.
@ScottPack And I was dissing functional languages like Haskell.
14:56
@RоryMcCune why, could be.
@ScottPack also annoying are those coders who spread out a single statement over many lines, preferring verbosity over concise clarity.
> I get paid per line of code, man.
> int x;
x = 0;
int y;
y = 1;
int temp;
temp = x + y;
x = temp;
@AviD wtf man? I think you forgot a function in there....
int sum ( int a, int b) {
return a + b;
}
@TerryChia no, no I did not.
do you think I have not seen code like that?
ahem, this was a simple increment. x++;.
@AviD You do realize I was joking? :P I don't actually write code like that goes looking through GitHub repositories to make sure
> int increment (int a, int b)
// much better than a++, because this is generic, secure, and faster.
// Also we can change what increment means if we decide.
@AviD #define ONE 1?
15:04
yeah, but thats too concise and centralized.
seriously, the reason I stopped reading TDWTF is because it was too depressing. Namely, the clients' code I saw very often was far, far worse.
As in, TDWTF code, besides having seen almost everything for real, was often the pinnacle of what they could possibly hope to acheive.
@AviD Meh, the quality of the site has been very shitty lately.
You know that old adage of how 10% of developers are good, 30% mediocre, and 60% actively cause damage every day they come in to work?
From my experience that is optimistic. And my experience is very wide and varied. I've had a lot of it.
Less about my age, more about being a traveling consultant.
@AviD I was just about to say something. :P
@TerryChia I know, I know. siiigh
@AviD The latter frustrate me way less than the former.
15:10
@ScottPack they both show a fundamental misunderstanding of the development process, and will nearly always be indicative of a crappy programmer, and even more often of crappy code.
though I would agree that the former gets in the way a lot more.
Well, statistically, any code written by a programmer has a pretty high probability of having been written by a crappy programmer. Even higher if it wasn't written by a programmer.
@ScottPack the difference is that with the former, at least the programmer is making a token attempt at improving his code (for some misunderstood value of "improving"). In the latter case, the coder is not even capable of conceptualizing a full statement, and is using higher-level languages as if they are assembly.
Both good and crappy programmers write crappy code. The good ones just realize it.
@AviD I can go with that. Though with the latter I can read and comprehend it, even if it is overbearingly long. The former I have to decode, which is fucking annoying.
I don't want to have to use a sooper sekret decoder ring to understand what something is doing.
@TerryChia oh absolutely. and the good ones also often have a reason for the crappy code (but not always...)
@ScottPack So why are you writing Perl again?
;)
I think the nastiest thing I ever did was use perl arrays treat them as hashes in order to do some set arithmetic.
@TerryChia I actually haven't written any proper code in a long time.
15:26
so just perl then...?
@AviD Hehehe. This is really going in cycles.
Could be worse. Could be java.
@TerryChia TWSS
@ScottPack Hey, at least one can read Java.
^ most obscure twss ever
15:31
@TerryChia I call shenanigans.
Anyone who claims Java is readable has clearly never looked at Java.
@ScottPack Java is readable. You just need an IDE to navigate the useless bits.
So. 2 hours later I'm thinking that adding ~70GB of binary data to my git repo was a bit much.
@ScottPack Really? That's a well known bottleneck of git. It chokes on very large datasets.
@TerryChia I've never done this before and didn't realize that the process of add put a header on the file then compressed it.
15:48
@TerryChia how large is very large?
@AviD TWSS?
haha, d'oh
Last I heard it was a couple of million files or something like that.
I have an hg repo with client data, around 2-3 GB, no issues with it.
It certainly handles the linux kernel repository well enough.
15:50
The problem seems to be more about how much you're throwing at it at once, too.
ah.
In my situation I'm dealing with 68 files, but they're each about 1GB.
And compressing those is what's causing it to choke. Or, more accurately, is causing my disk to choke.
i imagine it doesnt handle binaries well, either
@AviD That shouldn't be a problem. I remember a talk from Linus mentioning source files numbers in the millions.
at least natively.
15:52
@AviD Small png images etc are fine. I wouldn't use it to manage a directory of ISO images though.
@TerryChia well, the difference between 3 and 70 GB is barely and order of magnitude.
@TerryChia actually most of that 2-3 gb is documents. DOCX, PDF, XLS, and of course plenty of images.
hmm, now I'm curious.
@AviD That works. Like @ScottPack said, it seems to have to do with individual file sizes as well.
some of those docs are sizable.
I don't see any problem with binary file handling, not at all like CVS which just assumed all files were ASCII
Not ISO-level size, but many MB.
15:54
I have a fair number of PDFs and images in this repo, it doesn't really seem to care.
Like I said, my disk has been hard on since I started the add. Clearly it's just IO bound.
@ScottPack fhnarr
@RоryMcCune I'm sorry, I don't speak Glaswegian. Can you translate to English?
@ScottPack lol actually not glaswegian it is a uk english expression to indicate that the persons statement to whom you are responding could be considered a "double entendre"
Ah, it was unidentifiable as language so I assumed Welsh or Glaswegian.
16:10
For a rather random answer, this sure has got quite a bit of votes over time... security.stackexchange.com/a/40293/10211
I conclude that people are getting pwned by that malware on a regular basis.
@TerryChia Careful, that's a rather bold accusation.
I just read an interesting factoid on IRC. Qatar has one IP address.
16:27
@TerryChia lmao
I think it's the for the clever investigative skills it took
lol, nice
16:48
ya know it occurs that over the next couple of months we're going to see a LOAD of Windows XP questions...
whyzat?
@AviD it's going out of support, the main reason people are worried about that is no more security patches
e.g.
0
Q: Is it secure to access web with Xubuntu in virtualbox running in Windows XP?

user3123061Soon end support for Windows XP. I do not want to pay for another version of windows when my Windows XP is sufficient for my needs. So i seeking secure solution to continue with Windows XP. When i access web from Xubuntu in VirtualBox running in Windows XP, it is environment of Windows XP secure...

ahh
so people start looking for work-arounds
Particularly when you consider how embedded XP is in certain industries, particularly healthcare and automotive.
16:51
@ScottPack yeah National health service in the UK has 1 million + XP machines
at list price that'll cost them $200 mill for extended support for one year
seriously @RоryMcCune?
haven't we started migrating?
@RоryMcCune that's a bargain!
@ScottPack Embedded XP?
@deed02392 in the story I read, one company who help with that kind of thing, were receiving initial enquiries from health boards this January!!
I want to laugh, but our taxes pay for it
@AviD it is, next year it doubles to $400/machine then $800/machine ....
@deed02392 yeah
16:55
@AviD Those too.
@AviD In many places XP was the standard desktop image and the migration to 7 never happened. It seems like the more regulated the industry the less likely they were to migrate.
@ScottPack sure, too much paperwork.
even if its virtual.
Plus it's hella hard to properly lock down and certify an image correctly.
@AviD I also hear that in some cases regulations/legislation require reporting and the like. The applications for those types of systems are also heavily wonkified so the development lifecycle for them is near infinite. So in some cases the users are required to use IE7 in order to even do their job.
yeah in my company we're moving to XP now
we started last month
to 7*
@deed02392 That scared me for a moment.
and we're on IE7
oh, IE8
@TerryChia your nick reminds me of that viral europop song
dragostea din tei
i say nick, it's probably your actual name
16:59
@deed02392 Are you being racist? ;)
it's where he goes "fericirea"
it sounds like "veeerry chiaa"
which is almost Terry Chia :)
@TerryChia Your face is racist.
I don't know what I'm being, it just happens in my head
What's a little racism between friends?
I hear that line in the song
when I see your name
17:01
@ScottPack Heh.
and now I shall have to listen
@RоryMcCune What do you mean dragons never turn up? There be dragons! Hell, in the book, there be suckling dragons!
@ScottPack as I've said never read the books/watched the program, I'm going off the South park episodes and other Internet related comments regarding the show...
Fun show. I likes it.
Yes, there are boobs and such, but it's also good.
EVERYONE DIES.
EVERYONE.
heh, noice.
@RоryMcCune Lister :) Can't watch it now, which sketch is it?
@TildalWave series one episode one, "everybody's dead dave"
ah yes that's the first Holly there ... and one of the crew on the table :)))
17:20
Is that Red Dwarf?
@ScottPack yes
I very nearly made it to the halfway point of the second episode.
 
2 hours later…
18:59
@ScottPack What stopped you?
@TildalWave My own sense of self worth. :)
I just couldn't take it anymore.
@TildalWave the second episode. ;-)
c'mon Red Dwarf is a classic, at least first 6 seasons, I'd say till season 8
19:25
@TildalWave I dont disagree.
I was putting words in @ScottPack's mouth....
though for the record, the first time I tried to watch it, I could barely get through any of it either.
Something about the classic UK shows, for 'merkan eyes....
@AviD Those classic BBC comedies have a certain "A/V club" feel.
@tylerl yeah, exactly.
19:53
That's a good descriptor.
I don't really mind cheesy stuff, what I don't much care for is a combination of bad writing, acting, and production value.
@ScottPack kind of what is stopping me from watching all the classic Dr. Who's, too. Even though I want to have watched them.
Same here.
Hi guys
Hey @avid, about the RBAC thing
I was considering each room as a world and RBAC each world
Arggh. I need to order another coffee delivery, I usually order the monthly special. This month, they have two specials. HOOWWW can I decide?
@AviD roll a dice =D
19:56
othe 2nd special is a blend based on the first...
@kiBytes well, its only 2, so I would need to flip a coin ;-)
@kiBytes typically, each role in an RBAC system is system-wide, and not resource-specific.
that makes it no longer an RBAC system, but (depending on other characterisitics) a DAC system (most likely, anyway) - or rather, a (common) variation thereof
yes but
consider this objects as a very volatile objects
and they can be created or deleted any time
exactly
so it is much cleaner
a data object. not a "world".

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