The DMZ

kiBytes

21:00

So, I am reading that metrical is used mainly for poetry?

(I have been missusing "metrical" for as long as I can remember xD)

This is the best thing ever:

reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1xj617/…

Simon

SHIT BEER

Nah I actually like Bud Light.

Xander

@kiBytes A reasonably large quantity of really bad beer is the best thing ever?

Simon

lolololol

kiBytes

@Xander I haven't try that beer never in my life, but I can imagine this happening in Spain with Estrella beer or something like that...

Do not ever come to Spain and ask for a "Cruzcampo".

Simon

Oh I won't ask for that, don't worry.

kiBytes

21:12

If that beer is like "Cruzcampo" then ok, it isn't...

AJ Henderson

@TildalWave hey, random question for you if you are still around

who has to sign off on migrating a question normally when it isn't a migration path normally configured in the system?

I guess any moderators could actually answer if you are around

Rory Alsop

@AJHenderson IF THERE ISN'T A MIGRATION PATH, ONLY MODS AND se FOLKS CAN DO IT

ooh - shouty

sorry

caps lock = evil

Xander

@kiBytes Estrella is considered to be good beer in Spain?

AJ Henderson

@RoryAlsop right, I'm wondering which moderators can do it though, the ones from the site it is going to, coming from or either?

Rory Alsop

@AJHenderson oh - just the mods it is coming from do the actual migration, but it is generally polite to ask the mods on the destination site

I have failed to do that a couple of times and been roundly censured

Xander

21:17

@kiBytes Estrella Damm, specifically?

AJ Henderson

@RoryAlsop ah, I was asking since it's fairly frequent that question on Photo belong on Video and was trying to figure out if the success rate of them migrating might go up in the next week or two

Stack Exchange

Blog - Stack Exchange: Stack Exchange API V2.2 – and the demise of V1.x

Kevin Montrose on February 10, 2014

There’s been a lot of excitement lately here at Stack Exchange, what with the launch of our Android app and the start of our iOS app alpha. A few sharp-eyed users noticed, hidden deep within each app, a new version of the Stack Exchange API. After a few more weeks of testing I’m happy to say that V2.2 is now frozen, documented, and released.

Creating questions and answers

Voting

Editing, Deleting, and Flagging

Improved OAuth UI on mobile devices

…and lots more

Almost everything done by our own apps is using our public API, but there are a few notable exceptions: …

TildalWave

@AJHenderson Want me to answer that with proper letter case, or did @RoryAlsop manage to do that satisfactory enough with his stiff little fingers on his phone?

AJ Henderson

@TildalWave hehe, my ears are still ringing a bit, but I think I heard him

;)

TildalWave

@AJHenderson Commonly used migration paths eventually find their way to the VTC selection menu for the regular folks too, but I'm not sure how frequently that's updated. It doesn't seem to be too often.

Oh, and there's no such migration path to Beta sites

AJ Henderson

21:23

@TildalWave yeah, I was just curious because video questions haven't made it over to AVP from Photo historically. I wasn't sure if it was because all the AVP mods were audio guys

@TildalWave including for mods, or just for regular users?

TildalWave

@AJHenderson Regular users, mods can migrate wherever they want, but there are conventions ... it's not as easy as simply dumping stuff elsewhere. E.g. you'd have to check that it wouldn't be a dupe, that it's on-topic, purge comments, then possibly re-tag "on the other side", and so on

and it's worth asking mods there first too, unless you're a mod on both

there's elections going on over at SO, that's gonna be fun :)

AJ Henderson

@TildalWave I'm asking because AVP just split between video and audio components. Most of the mods are going to the Audio side, so they are picking pro temporate mods for Video and thus far it looks like I may get tapped. So I was wondering if that would allow for video questions that get closed on photography to be moved more easily

because it's always bugged me how often a question that would be good on video gets closed as off topic on video and somehow the OP never makes it over to post on video

TildalWave

@AJHenderson Strictly technically, you don't want to migrate unless it's clearly off-topic on the site it was posted on and on-topic on the one you wanna migrate to, but it doesn't have a dupe. If it's gonna cause problems, then it's best avoided IMO. But if you're gonna be a mod on the target site, and you know that it would make sense, then I guess the best way is to flag them for mod attention on the source site, and/or discuss in their main chat with mods there.

It involves some work on both sides, so you'd want to coordinate that

Iszi

@AJHenderson @TildalWave Guys, pipe it down. You're driving our words-per-message average to unacceptably high levels!

FEichinger

21:38

@Iszi Just

counter

it

with

some

rate limiter fighting ...

Iszi

@FEichinger Well, after that I bet you can't post again for an hour eh?

FEichinger

Oh, no, it's not that bad.

kalina

you won't realistically get more than 20 seconds of rate limiting

not even I have got more than 19, and I've tried

AviD

@kalina "rate limiting"

twss

kalina

wow you're so desperate

I never realised it until now

...

AviD

21:48

desperate to hit the perfect twss, sure

kalina

you failed

just like every other time

AviD

hey, I spend the day having my kids mock me.

@kalina yes

Iszi

@kalina Not hard enough, then.

kalina

your kids don't have the level of skill that I posses

AviD

@kalina no. usually I nail it.

kalina

21:49

@Iszi there's a graph somewhere, let me find it

AviD

@kalina oh you'd be surprised. I've been training them all their lives.

Iszi

C'mon @AviD I left that one wide open just for you.

kalina

^ chat rate limiting

AviD

@Iszi uhhh

Iszi

1 min ago, by Iszi

@kalina Not hard enough, then.

AJ Henderson

21:51

@Iszi I will endeavor to find an acceptable solution to the problem which you defined so eloquently. Perhaps I can accomplish a reduction in word count by some feat of linguistic creativity, however I am unsure if I can reduce my communication to such a basic level

;)

AviD

@Iszi uuhhh

Iszi

@AJHenderson Let's call it "English Golf".

AviD

Golf is a precision club and ball sport in which competing players (or golfers) use many types of clubs to hit balls into a series of holes on a course using the fewest number of strokes. Golf is defined, in the rules of golf, as "playing a ball with a club from the teeing ground into the hole by a stroke or successive strokes in accordance with the Rules."

Iszi

@AviD You were looking for a good opportunity to drop a TWSS?

AJ Henderson

@Iszi how about a chat room that can only communicate in regex golf?

AviD

21:53

On the other hand, English is a West Germanic language that was first spoken in early medieval England and is now the most widely used language in the world.[4] It is spoken as a first language by the majority populations of several sovereign states, including the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand and a number of Caribbean nations; and it is an official language of almost 60 sovereign states.

@Iszi uuuhhhh

Iszi

@AJHenderson I don't speak Regex so well, but you go ahead.

@AviD What is this, Beavis & Butthead now?

AviD

huhuhuh

Peanut

Hey all, I realise this is about security and almost off topic for this chat :p but... I've been asked to come up with some very basic challenges for 14-15 year olds relating to 'cyber security'. I've already got a few in mind, but wondered if anyone had any interesting ideas or things they might have done in the past when learning? And sorry about not helping your words-per-message!

AJ Henderson

@Iszi you would set the topic as a regex and all the talking in the chat would have to match the regex

@Peanut take a good long look at the history of this chat, you will find that it doesn't have to be security related ;)

actually, for your sanity's sake, don't take a good long look at the history of this chat room

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Iszi

@AJHenderson Oh, see I thought it was some sort of chat where all your messages are obfuscated behind regex - that is, you have to decode the regex to figure out what the one string is that it could match and that's the message.

AviD

21:55

well, for sanity, he should just close the browser, turn around , and run screaming from the room now.

Peanut

Hah actually I meant my message was about security and after lurking for 5 minutes I realise that's almost off topic here..

AviD

@Peanut Welcome to the DMZ. :-)

Iszi

@Peanut No, it's totally on-topic. Just low priority. See the room description.

AviD

@Iszi you DO realize that that is alphabetical, right?

Iszi

However, I have no clue how the hell nono-yolo ended up higher-priority than rory.

AJ Henderson

21:56

@Peanut ah yeah, misread what you were saying

AviD

17 secs ago, by AviD

@Iszi you DO realize that that is alphabetical, right?

Iszi

@AviD Really? I thought double-entendre was #1 intentionally.

AviD

@Iszi and thats the puzzles.

AJ Henderson

@Peanut age determining questions are always hard

Iszi

I mean, except for rory being a bit too low on the list, it's generally just about followed our regular patterns.

AJ Henderson

21:57

for knowledge based ones, often people older won't know

AviD

@Iszi actually I dont know why its there at all - I thought rory had that covered.

AJ Henderson

for history based ones, not only will older people not know, but younger people can look it up

there isn't really a good way to verify someone's age without verifying their identity entirely

AviD

@AJHenderson so what are you on about?

Peanut

@AJHenderson Think I've obviously worded my post incorrectly :p

Has nothing to do with age determination

AJ Henderson

oh

Iszi

21:59

@AJHenderson The hell? I didn't see a single thing in there that had to do with age determination.

AJ Henderson

gotcha

I misunderstood twice

now I follow

AviD

@AJHenderson lol, you 0 for 2. wanna go for the rimshot? ;-)

what are you drinking?

or smoking?

AJ Henderson

clearly you are asking if we can get rory to ride around the chat room wearing a monkey suit

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Peanut

Finally

So, how do I go about that?

Iszi

Back on-topic, can you imagine if we actually did play English Golf? That is, tried to convey our messages in as few words (while still using proper words and grammar) as possible? That could get real mangled real quick.

AviD

22:01

@Peanut I think one of the simplest (to implement), and most effective - is have them figure out each other's passwords. Though this might also have... adverse effects.

Iszi

@AJHenderson Everyone, star that if you want it to happen!

AviD

@Iszi OOORRRR, as many words as possible?

Iszi

@AviD That'd be English Bowling then.

AJ Henderson

I'm sadly probably not the person to ask about security challenges appropriate to a 14 or 15 year old though :(

I was hacking my school's computers when I was 9

AviD

In other words, one should, whilst commenting in the Stack exchange chat room which is otherwise known as the DMZ, endeavor to consume as many word items as possible, and yet still express the same general idea.

Iszi

22:02

I'm not sure this is the room to ask for anything appropriate to 14 or 15 year-olds.

Peanut

Haha! I figured it might be a long shot. So I've got like a really simple steg challenge and maybe something like the first few levels of hackthissite, some SQLi maybe.

AviD

naaah, @Lucas is a consultant at EY - he would undoubtedly win.

AJ Henderson

@Peanut is it for a tech class, a general class, what is the assumed skill level of the kids

that makes a big difference

I don't know that age is a good indicator of skill level

and you are going to see an entire gamut

AviD

@AJHenderson this. Though password security is the great equalizer.

Peanut

More general than tech, some will have experience and we do get to teach them a bit.

AJ Henderson

22:04

at 15, I could have finished most of the basic hack this site stuff

and while I was advanced for my age, a lot of people I knew weren't that far behind me

Peanut

I did it at 17 or so that's why I thought it might be good.

AJ Henderson

it was a pain because the IT department at my hs had to keep fixing exploits because while they didn't care about me knowing my way around (because I behaved with them) other people didn't

Iszi

So, can anyone do a good Photoshop of Doktor Mayhem in a monkey suit? Maybe we should put that in place of the lion on our banner.

AviD

@Iszi @TildalWave, of course.

AJ Henderson

also, is your main purpose to teach them about the risks of cyber security or to teach them about how to exploit it

because those result in very different suggestions as well

AviD

22:06

or to protect against it

AJ Henderson

well, how to protect against it by nature requires understanding how to exploit it

atleast to an extent

AviD

meh. different focus.

AJ Henderson

fair enough

Peanut

Well the overview just says 'cyber defense', and we get to pick within that basically. I've gone more for the exploit side since a) seems easier to think of challenges for and b) I've got more experience with that

tylerl

Peanut

22:07

But if anyone could think of simple defense stuff that'd be great

tylerl

I love it when malware authors put their own legal terms in their code.

AviD

@Peanut PAAAAAAASSSWWOOOOOORRRRRDSSSS

tylerl

presumably their lawyers made them do it.

AJ Henderson

with a theme of cyber defense, I'd suggest picking apart some of the recent data breaches and what could have prevented them as well

TildalWave

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Q: International bank transfer, what is safe to share?

Okay, so I am selling a smartphone, to the guy who lives in UK, or that is what he says. So for the money transfer he asks me these things. Name Bank Name Account Number Iban Swift Code. Is it okay to give them to him, BTW I live in the Latvia, and he already knows my email, whats connected...

banks

AJ Henderson

22:08

it relates to real world stuff they've probably heard about

which will give a point of at least some engagement to those who might be less technical

Peanut

Yeahh good idea. Maybe some SQLi stuff.

AviD

Or a CTF could be fun - depending on how much time/effort they can put in, give 2 teams each a copy of HTS or something like that, have them fix it - then attack the other's. Live patching is fair game.

TildalWave

@tylerl bleeping bleep it doesn't wanna open it for me

AviD

@Peanut unless this is for programming students - I would say that is not on target.

AJ Henderson

and be sure to try to read the audience, if it is mostly technical types, then stuff like SQLi demonstrations would work well, but if they are more non-technical, you'll have to stick to more overviews of what the actual cost of exposing data is and a broad, general look at how compromises occur

tylerl

22:10

@TildalWave it's just an image -- > https://i.sstatic.net/1Kps6.png

AviD

@tylerl IT DONT LOAD

I MUST KNOW WHAT NEW IMAGE WAS POSTED

WAS IT KITTEH

AJ Henderson

just make sure to keep in mind your target audience

TildalWave

@tylerl I realize that, but still, no go ... I'm not sure if it's CDN or something with my connection

AviD

KIIIITTTEEEEHHHH

Iszi

@AviD NO KITTEH FOR YOU

@TildalWave Just you... and @AviD. Works fine here.

AviD

22:12

@Iszi US only, then. Damn merkans.

tylerl

@TildalWave mirrored: http://tt1.co/1Kps6.png

Peanut

Yeah CTF would be too complex I'd imagine. @AJHenderson I'm trying to bear it in mind.

Iszi

@AviD That's right! Must keep our secret LOLCATS from the terrorists!

tylerl

Also, what the hell kind of email address is [email protected] ?

TildalWave

this is handy: cs.utexas.edu/~jbc/home/chef.html

AviD

22:12

huh. no cats.

Peanut

Anyway thanks guys and ping me if you ever get Rory in the monkey suit.

Iszi

@tylerl Your mom's?

tylerl

@Iszi BURN.

Iszi

@Peanut @TildalWave you're on that already - right?

tylerl

My mom isn't running a paypal phishing scam, though.

Iszi

22:13

@tylerl As far as you know.

TildalWave

@Iszi gosh no, not today, but I might put something up tomorrow

tylerl

@Iszi that would be something. She's one of those people who asks you to "update the Internet" when you visit for holidays

TildalWave

@tylerl cheers, yup that one works

Iszi

@tylerl It's all a cover, man.

AviD

@tylerl it's a cover.

Iszi

22:15

@AviD Beat you to it.

kalina

night all!

AviD

heh. That is oddly specific to be repeated.

Iszi

@kalina cya

AviD

Think we might be hanging out in here too much lately?

Iszi

Nah. I don't hang out in here enough!

AviD

22:16

... said no one, ever.

TildalWave

@kalina night sweets, I'll join you in Narnia in a minute too

Iszi

@AviD Not even she?

tylerl

@TildalWave did i miss something?

TildalWave

@tylerl no :D

Iszi

@tylerl I think @Adnan took over his keyboard for a second or something.

TildalWave

22:18

and i.stack.imgur.com is definitely acting up on me, half of the stuff doesn't wanna load

tylerl

@TildalWave where are you coming from?

TildalWave

@tylerl the old continent

tylerl

@TildalWave africa?

I think that's the oldest one

TildalWave

most stuff of course works from cache, but if I hit hard refresh it gets stuck on avatars and shit

@tylerl europe

Iszi

@tylerl Strictly speaking, I believe they're equally old. Africa is just the oldest in terms of human history.

tylerl

22:20

@TildalWave You can try proxying through a US server and see if that improves things

TildalWave

aye, they were all once Gondwana

Iszi

@TildalWave Why are you browsing pictures of shit anyway?

tylerl

@Iszi true. I actually though of that.

AviD

@Iszi I thought that was disproven?

Iszi

Holy crap. That's two people I've shared a thought with here in less than five minutes.

AviD

22:21

5 mins ago, by AviD

Think we might be hanging out in here too much lately?

TildalWave

@Iszi what else is internet for?

Iszi

I have a sudden urge to run screaming from the room.

TildalWave

@tylerl yup, works fine via NY

tylerl

@AviD the latest word is that humans evolved on the plains. Hence the walking-on-two-legs thing. People are actually the fastest distance running animals on the planet.

the whole "chasing down a deer" thing

AviD

@tylerl not fat americans, surely.

tylerl

22:23

@AviD as a species, not so much as individuals

AviD

@tylerl ah, that makes sense. rolls across the room

Iszi

@tylerl You mean there is a certain point where our stamina compensates for the raw speed advantage other running animals have?

AviD

@tylerl there are plains in Mesopotamia, too.

@Iszi there was a time when stamina wasn't tied to interest in the particular activity being staminaed?

Iszi

@AviD Is that even a word?

AviD

@Iszi it is now. I worded it.

specifically, I verbed it.

Iszi

22:25

I thought only @ThomasPornin could do that?

TildalWave

@tylerl endurance running yes, definitely ... ancient hunting technique to simply let game overheat by making it run in gallop, and that's why we lost hair on our body too

Iszi

Or @RoryAlsop or one of the other Ancients.

@TildalWave Speak for yourself.

AviD

@TildalWave yeah? so explain my baldness.

TildalWave

@AviD women

AviD

go on

TildalWave

22:29

I'd rather not

AviD

I lost ya.

TildalWave

they make you wanna pull your hair out, don't they?

AviD

@TildalWave umm.... no?

or did you mean kids?

tylerl

@TildalWave typically they prefer it if you dont

AviD

@tylerl nah, dey womenz luvs da bawld.

Rory Alsop

22:47

The ladies love... The tendrils

Iszi

> Login methods that don’t use OAuth can’t be made public for security reasons

Are we saying "security by obscurity" here? Ew.

AviD

no, I thought it meant that they dont want some random app accepting SE passwords on their behalf.

Iszi

@RoryAlsop What the bloody hell is that supposed to be - Doktor Mayhem without his mask?

Rory Alsop

23:20

It's good eh, @Iszi - an Action shot

You can just about see my nose, and my eye-lights

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