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Didn't see that coming

David Freitag

@Scorpion I'll be your friend if @Simon and @Adnan are being mean to you.

David Freitag

00:22

@AviD Nah, not perl. Apache was being a whiny little baby.

I don't know @Thomas, this is sounding more and more plausible. I'm not sure if you read the who ars post but here is another juicy quote. > Then, when Ruiu removed the internal speaker and microphone connected to the airgapped machine, the packets suddenly stopped.

What, no inline quotes? Boring.

AviD

@Iszi you are why I am not on twitter.

Lucas Kauffman

00:40

@tylerl In what way did I get served? For instance I have at least 6 bottles of 3 different brands of Trappist, yet you have probably none.

@TildalWave Make sure to get a stash of Orval and La Trappe Whisky barrel aged

If you want to taste what a real Westvleteren tastes like, the La Trappe Whisky barrel aged tastes AT LEAST as good

Scott Pack

01:09

@AntonyVennard @TildalWave managed to hit it. A 1099 employee is contractor instead of an on-staff employee. The biggest difference is that for a W2 employee the employer handles your taxes for you. A 1099 just gets a full on paycheck and is responsible for their own taxes.

David Freitag

01:27

> Information: You are all going to die.

2 hours later…

tylerl

03:48

@LucasKauffman I think you just answered your own question: clearly you have been served and I have not.

Stack Exchange

04:02

'The monospaced-typewriter-font story is a COMPLETE FABRICATION! WAKE UP, SHEEPLE' 'It doesn't matter! Studies support single spaces!' 'Those results weren't statistically significant!' 'Fine, you win. I'm using double spaces right now!' 'Are not! We can all hear your stupid whitespace.'

tylerl

04:55

@StackExchange Indent with tabs with a 4-space shift width!

Terry Chia

05:41

> {
"tab_size": 4,
"translate_tabs_to_spaces": true,
"trim_trailing_white_space_on_save": true,
"ensure_newline_at_eof_on_save": true
}

That's my Sublime Text configuration.

tylerl

06:19

@TerryChia heretic!

> "translate_tabs_to_spaces": true,

What is this blasphemy?!!?!!!!!?!

Terry Chia

@tylerl I write python primarily.

tylerl

@TerryChia yeah... well if you love GVR so much, why don't you marry him!

sadly, I write python primarily too, but to hell with PEP8

Terry Chia

@tylerl hehe. That would be weird. :P

tylerl

spaces is provably an inferior solution

Terry Chia

@tylerl My text editor/IDE makes it completely seamless though, so it doesn't matter.

tylerl

06:25

s/completely/kinda/

i use the same editor, and it's annoying as hell

tabs are semantic representation of an indent. Spaces are a kluge around the fact that 1960s editors had tabs fixed at 8 characters

It's like doing web design with tables

because your wysiwyg editor makes it "completely seamless"

GRRRR

Morning, @Adnan

sorry, no pony yet.

Adnan

@Scorpion Well, what am I going to do? I failed in life! I'm homeless, jobless, and nobody loves me. I have to think that my IQ is 17,709, there's no other way.

tylerl

Is he still around?

Adnan

@tylerl Morning!

@tylerl Click on the reply arrow to see what he left me.

tylerl

@Adnan oh, no. I was still around when he did. I was going to write something back, but he bolted immediately afterward.

apparently had to get one parting insult off before he went to go... er.. enjoy is wildly successful life.

Adnan

@tylerl Now, excuse me, continue my morning drinking. You know, failed life and whatnot.

tylerl

06:34

@Adnan no no, go right ahead. wouldn't want to spoil a morning binge

tylerl

06:45

so, what's new?

that good, eh?

Rory Alsop

07:31

Morning @tylerl - how's things

tylerl

tired.

heading to bed in less than 10 minutes

unless something really interesting happens before that

Rory Alsop

Hang on - where are you? Australia?

tylerl

Phoenix

12:32 am

GMT-7 year round

Rory Alsop

Ahhh - yes, I always forget how far round the US goes. Not sure how exciting it will be in here. (At 7.30am :-)

of our new guests I find the pony style a bit more entertaining than our spiky tailed newcomer

tylerl

yes... he's a prickly fellow

Rory Alsop

07:34

doesn't seem to have a sarcasm filter

and takes himself/herself far too seriously

tylerl

@RoryAlsop that one's a he.

Rory Alsop

I thought he probably was, but you can never tell on the Interwebs

tylerl

bubbling with testosterone

if it's a she, she's got some serious chemical balance issues

Rory Alsop

hahahahaha

Scorpion

@Adnan idiot :)

tylerl

07:50

@rory @Rory @RORY

Rory McCune

@tylerl @tylerl @tylerl would this be because you're tired?

who's flagging things?!?

tylerl

my eyes are burning of tired

Rory McCune

it's too early in the morning for that kind of nonsense..

tylerl

its not early

Scorpion

@Adnan cc.puv.fi/~e1101411/haxor_me.php - Interesting, you don't know how to spell.

Rory McCune

07:51

@tylerl well for you it could be VERY early...

tylerl

> "supposidly"

is that you @Adnan?

Rory Alsop

heh

Scorpion

I knew he was Finnish, but I didn't know he's a complete d****** - also, why did you remove your location from your profile? @Adnan

tylerl

@Scorpion oy now. enough with the ad-hominem

if you came here just to be angry, then please go be angry somewhere else.

Scorpion

you weren't here yesterday :)

also no ad-hominem going on, since it's a half duplex kinda thing :)

tylerl

07:55

@Scorpion yesterday is over. Today, we'll be civil

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Adnan

@tylerl Indeed.

tylerl

@Adnan So vulnerable to xss is the idea?

except with no valuable data to steal?

Adnan

@tylerl I was just proving something to @Tildal

tylerl

@Adnan ah

what editor do you use?

Adnan

@tylerl I guess the Windows Notepad :D

tylerl

07:57

try notepad2

it's a drop in 100% replacement for notepad

but with syntax hilighting etc.

also, it intelligently handles cr/crlf/lf

Rory Alsop

@Scorpion - please be aware that while there is a degree of scurrilous banter in this chat room, there are limits, and we do tend to take overstepping those bounds quite seriously. I would suggest lurking/watching to understand the balance.

tylerl

and unicode

Adnan

@Scorpion I didn't hide the location in my profile. I just happen to have several version of my profile on the SE network. The only one with my location in it is, I believe, here on Security.SE.

tylerl

not sure if it has spell check.

:)

Adnan

@tylerl I was trying to demonstrate that there's no point of obsessing about alleged XSS when the input is from a text field and the output is viewed in the same page with nothing stored/sent to the server.

Scorpion

08:00

I would like to know why you decided to take action against me, after how much of a **** @Adnan was being yesterday. @RoryAlsop

Adnan

@RoryAlsop Rory, it's alright. As long as he keeps it directed at me, I have no issue with him at all.

@Scorpion So, how did stalking me go?

Lucas Kauffman

@Scorpion do you need a hug?

Show me on the doll where @Adnan touched you.

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Heeey! I thought we were... monohugamous

No?

Tough crowd!

Lucas Kauffman

Mono what :p?

@RoryA do you know a lot of the guys of pwc Belgium ?

Adnan

So, I finished my Ardbeg, Laphroaig, and Highland Park. Now that my salary is almost here, any suggestions? @Lucas @RoryA @AviD (Whiskey masters)

Scorpion

08:08

@LucasKauffman I'm sorry if your parents never made you feel loved

Good thing you met an animal that you can relate to ;)

tylerl

@Scorpion it comes down to this: @Adnan can be an ass, which is often where he puts his head. But he can also be helpful and kind and participate in a friendly discourse. So far all we've seen from you is attacks and snide remarks. Build yourself a reputation as someone we want to talk to, and you'll be treated as such

Adnan

@Scorpion Buddy, how about we ease the tone a bit? Alright? Let's go back to joking and black humour.

Scorpion

@Adnan akk.li/pics/anne.jpg

Adnan

Sorry, African American humour.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan The Macallan sherry oak

Adnan

08:11

@Scorpion Fair warning, everybody. It's a shock link.

Luckily, I don't get shocked.

Scorpion

What's wrong with a popup advertisement? That was the real shock.

See? African American humour :)

Lucas Kauffman

It's one of my favs

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Sherry oak, you say. Hmmm, never had one of those.

@Lucas Nice! It's also available at the Communist liquor store store. I'd have to pre-order it, though.

Lucas Kauffman

How much is a bottle in Finland ?

Adnan

@LucasKauffman It's illegal to show the alcohol prices on the Internet in Finland. (Applies to anything stronger than 20%).

So I have to go the store and ask.

Stephane

08:31

'morning

TildalWave

08:47

@Adnan huh?

oh isn't that like half year old thing?

@Adnan Huh? What in heaven's sake for?

Stephane

Anyone following the BadBIOS thing ?

Adnan

@TildalWave I have no idea. It's part of some restricted advertisement law.

TildalWave

@Adnan OK but don't you also have laws that demand for item prices to be clearly visible?

in the shops I mean

Adnan

@TildalWave In the Communist alcohol shop, yes. Anywhere outside, nope.

TildalWave

What communist alcohol shops? Communists didn't have shops they only had long queues for two of three items on the shelves that changed in price 1000-fold by the time it was your turn to not buy them because others took it already

In Soviet Russia, Shops buy you ;)

Adnan

09:03

@TildalWave It's called Alko. It's government-owned and it's the only shop in the Finland where you can buy anything stronger than 5%.

TildalWave

@Adnan Oh so it's a government run alco business ... nice, I get the reference now

so bootlegging is I imagine big in Finland?

Adnan

@TildalWave Not only that, please note it's the only one allowed to sell.

@TildalWave From Estonia, yeah baby!

TildalWave

@Adnan yes I get that ... well it sucks, it's pretty condescending actually

Adnan

God bless Estonia! Cheap booze and boat trips to Finland.

deed02392

I was at a pub quiz last night

they asked where Skype was invented

I put Finland down straight away, then it was multiple choice and I realised it was actually Estonia

TildalWave

09:10

Danemark I think?

Adnan

@deed02392 Your heart is still there, mate.

deed02392

haha sounds like it eh

Adnan

@deed02392 Come there this winter. Play with the snow and see the Aurora.

There was some Aurora activity on Wednesday, actually.

TildalWave

or play with Aurora and see the snow?

Adnan

@TildalWave Why not!

TildalWave

09:12

indeed

deed02392

George
i wonder if they've invented an alarm clock that can pull covers off

Kirstin
maybe
or I just need to lose some weight and get a man, then it wouldn't be a problem.

George
you would just end up hating him!

Kirstin
I'd tell them to get up me
get me up*!

TildalWave

@Adnan I even retweeted that X1 type CME that was detected and must have caused it ... the Sun is also pretty active again, some nice activity close to the equatorial plane so with chance of hitting us... should be many such events these next few years with the Solar maxima kinda being late this year

Adnan

This was last year. Taken by a friend.

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TildalWave

@Adnan nice :)

Rory Alsop

09:43

@Adnan cc @Lucas and @AviD - In addition to the Macallan, I would also recommend Bunnahabhain and Bruichladdich, and amusingly enough, Monkey's Shoulder

@Scorpion - @tylerl hit the nail on the head.
@Lucas - I only ever knew a couple of the Belgian guys. I was over there looking at a major payment provider once, and then after that I dealt with all the penetration testing teams globally

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop You know a guy named Wens Vandermeersch?

Rory Alsop

@Lucas - sorry, no

never spoken to him

Scorpion

10:30

@Adnan You didn't tell us it was your lady friend

Rory McCune

10:42

if ya like singing 7 ft tall clowns :)

who can actually sing pretty damn well

Adnan

@Lucas @Tildal @Codes Any of you guys have experience with train or bus travel between two Schengen countries?

@Scorpion The photo was indeed taken by a lady. How did you know?

TildalWave

@Adnan Aye what do you need to know?

once you're in the Schengen area nobody really bothers to check any passports, if that's what you're asking

Scorpion

It seems we both have something in common, @Adnan

Adnan

@TildalWave My problem is that both of my passports have expired. Will I be asked to show a valid passport/travel document when booking the ticket or crossing the border?

TildalWave

unless you have something to report, there are still veterinarian stations and similar

Scorpion

10:54

We both know it was taken by a lady, and we both know her name @Adnan

Adnan

@Scorpion Quite interesting. What is her name, if I may ask?

TildalWave

@Adnan no, ID should be enough

Adnan

@TildalWave I don't have EU ID.

TildalWave

driving licence?

Adnan

@TildalWave Nope.

Scorpion

10:55

@Adnan , to not give away her real name (data protection stuff, you know). Her initials are S.K.

TildalWave

@Adnan what do you mean with EU ID?

just an ID with your face on it

Adnan

@TildalWave Any identification issued by a member state.

TildalWave

@Adnan oh... not even a temporary residence permit or something similar?

Adnan

@TildalWave I have that, but it's on my passport. Which I sent to the embassy for renewal.

Scorpion

Quite a delightful photo, may I add @Adnan

TildalWave

10:59

@Adnan well for your usual activities no you don't really need a document (you're kinda required to have it on your person but likely nobody will ask if you're not checking into a hotel or going through an airport e.t.c.). Dunno about the ticket reservation tho, they're pretty pesky with that in UK for example, you can't even buy a ticket with another credit card that you didn't take with you and be able to present it there

Adnan

@Scorpion Ahaaa, the old 549123_445709318808036_**10650024**47_n.jpg trick. Good one.

Scorpion

Oh no! My mission.. spoilt!

Adnan

@Scorpion No, not really. Not many people know this trick. Good work.

Scorpion

You just mainstreamed it. @Adnan

Now all the hipsters will use it.

Adnan

@TildalWave Well, I'm gonna take my second passport with me. Although expired, but I guess it can work as some sort of ID.

@Scorpion Knowledge should be available to everyone. I don't believe in "trade secrets".

Scorpion

11:02

You wouldn't make a good magician. @Adnan

TildalWave

@Adnan you can always bend over and tell them to go ahead, you've got nothing to hide :)

Adnan

@TildalWave I think it has less to do with smuggling drugs and more to do with a Southern-looking dude crossing borders without valid identification.

You see, if I were blond, I wouldn't really have to worry about any of this.

TildalWave

@Adnan you've clearly not been to UK often enough then

Scorpion

blonde*

Adnan

Blond or blonde (see below), or fair hair, is a hair color characterized by low levels of the dark pigment eumelanin. The resultant visible hue depends on various factors, but always has some sort of yellowish color. The color can be from the very pale blond (caused by a patchy, scarce distribution of pigment) to reddish "strawberry" blond colors or golden-brownish ("sandy") blond colors (the latter with more eumelanin). On the Fischer–Saller scale blond color ranges from A to J (blond brown). Etymology, spelling, and grammar The word "blond" is first attested in English in 1481 and der...

Speaking of which: @Tildal

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TildalWave

11:06

I'm blond-ish and my missus is blond too ... didn't stop the screening guys at Heathrow from being jerks, the scared little C***ts

Scorpion

I'm not blonde, so I wouldn't know @Adnan

TildalWave

@Adnan blondes in Europe?

Adnan

@TildalWave Yup

TildalWave

well you can still see the occupation and immigration lines there ... Ottoman empire from Turkey up and ... yup, yup ...

Spain and France

I'd say there's more blondes in northern Italy tho

I mostly speak German there

Scorpion

There is quite a large amount of blondes in nothern Italy actually

TildalWave

11:12

yup that's why I'm a bit surprised with that map

and there's definitely a huge difference between here and more south like Croatia and even more so the more southern ex Yugoslav countries

and why did they put Ukraine same as Romania / Bulgaria / Greece / Turkey? :O

AviD

@Adnan haha, you called me a whiskey master?? But I'm american!

Adnan

@AviD Ewwww!! Stop saying that.

AviD

hehe

Terry Chia

11:25

@Adnan FYI

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A: How does nmap determine if it's running HTTP service on a port? Fails here

nmap defaults to the -sS option if a scan type is not specified. The -sS flag is a simple SYN scan to check the status of the port. No advanced fingerprinting is done to determine the service running on the port. In this mode, nmap merely looks up the most common service running on the particular...

AviD

@TildalWave - I dont remember if you answered me, do you know if I can just use EU bills to pay for stuff in Romania? e.g. taxi etc, for whatever I cant use plastic...

Adnan

@TerryChia Brilliant! I totally missed his nmap command. Thanks, Terry.

Lucas Kauffman

11:39

@RoryAlsop ah alright, nvm then :)

@Adnan normally no, they might ask you for an ID card though

@Adnan don't you have a finish ID card?

TildalWave

11:54

@AviD it'd be mostly by agreement

but sure, they like money :)

there's many exchange offices around so you shouldn't have problems exchanging your money anyway... and you don't need that much on your person, 50 EUR worth of Lei will (should) go a long way

oh and of course there's ATMs ... just watch out for skimmers LOL

but I personally in 3 years + living there never had problems with that ... I'm a lot taller than their average gypsy so they just smiled nice from a distance LOL

Oh and of course - never give any money or anything else to any beggar. Trust me, they earn more than both of us together and it's all just a theater.

They also work in teams ... so just don't pull any money out unless you're paying for something. If possible, don't have too much on you and use more than a single place to store it.

Terry Chia

@TildalWave Most of that is pretty general advice. :P

TildalWave

12:10

well yes

But it might not be obvious to anyone ... for example here, I don't even bother to take my wallet off the table once I leave a pub and it'll either be waiting for me there with someone calling me where I left it, or someone will come running after me that I left it there. Similar goes with locking cars / houses / ... it's a bit like Canada. So if you're not used to watching over your stuff, it can be strenuous to force yourself to. ;)

I mean, I do bother to take the wallet,... but I'm not too bothered in case I forget to

Simon

@tylerl Well, there were different profiles that I could choose, such as general software developing and etc. Web apps was my first choice.

@Scorpion Haha, nice one buddy. I'm glad that what we've told you has caused this much effect on you. My favorite part is where you refer to us as dickheads when you pretty came in here and started to insult people. Anyway, keep up the good work.

AviD

@TildalWave oh sure, I wouldnt give money to real poor people anyway ;-)

@TildalWave yeah, I'm familiar with these tactics - I used to travel a lot...

spread the money around in lots of different places - pockets, bag, coat, etc.

Terry Chia

@AviD That's it? ;)

AviD

12:26

@TerryChia well, and leave the most of it back in your suitcase :-)

TildalWave

12:38

if it fits a suitcase

AviD

heehee, the vietnamese currency is called dong.

If I go there, I will need a lot of dongs!

Simon

@AviD You're so immature, unbelievable.

AviD

@Simon hurhurhur

inorite

Simon

lululul

Do you think people are getting paid more if they have a big dong?

AviD

dammit @Simon, you broke it.

you broke the dong joke.

Simon

12:45

o

I'm so sorry.

@TerryChia I'M SORRY DUDE

Terry Chia

@Simon Dong it man!

AviD

@TerryChia @simon doesnt know how to use dong.

Simon

Oh lawd. @AviD, I think he broke it more than I did.

Terry Chia

Dammit man! I slacked for 2 weeks and now my rep is lagging far behind @tylerl and @Adnan.

@Adnan needs to get nuked before he hits 20k. I don't want to have to trust him.... :(

Iszi

@AviD What'd I do?

AviD

12:52

@Iszi hmm... dont remember.

I got a notice about some horrible picture you shared on twitter.

Iszi

@tylerl No, 5 spaces!

AviD

is it "shared"...? or posted?

twatted?

Iszi

@AviD More likely re-shared - "re-tweeted". Care to be more specific?

AviD

dont remember. how many awful pictures did you share yesterday??

Terry Chia

@Iszi That's disgusting really. :P

Iszi

12:55

@AviD That's subjective.

AviD

numbers are never subjective.

bats! it was bats! lots and lots of bats!

Iszi

@AviD Oh, then that's just you being a pussy.

This is why you should NEVER use your flash in a cave... http://t.co/1UwcPgUyo0

Tweeted by AsapSCIENCE on October 30, 2013 at 2:47 PM

AviD

@Iszi it was awful!

Iszi

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AviD

only way that wouldnt have been awful is if it was all batMEN.

@Iszi look closely.

Iszi

12:58

@AviD Yeah, I see about a metric shit-tonne of bats hanging from a cave ceiling. What of it?

AviD

bats!

theyre like... rats with wings!

Simon

@Iszi Last evening when you were giving candies to the children, were you telling them how much they gotta be serious at all times?

Iszi

@Simon You make the irrational assumption that I gave out anything to children.

Simon

Hehe.

AviD

@Iszi carrot sticks and radish slices?

Iszi

12:59

@AviD FTFY

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