The DMZ

David Freitag

19:01

Eh english again this semester. How dreadful.

Wow, that is... brilliant. Convert VM image to hard installation: boot clonezilla ISO ontop of a VM and clone the VM onto a disk.

AviD

@DavidFreitag brilliant, or stupid?

David Freitag

@AviD There's a fine line.

AviD

While it is hypervisor-agnostic, I find it hard to believe there is a serious VM that doesnt support it directly.

Or better, allow for booting straight from virtual disk, VM-less.

David Freitag

Of course you run the risk of filesystem corruption, but that's an easy fix. Also it depends on how the virtual NIC was configured.

@AviD I'm not sure Virtualbox supports that.

@AviD Sometimes it isn't feasible to have every VM you run have its own partition, or entire disk for that matter.

AviD

@DavidFreitag that says more about Virtualbox than about my statement.

David Freitag

19:07

@AviD Virtualbox is also completely free.

AviD

@DavidFreitag so is Hyper- vee

David Freitag

@AviD Yes, but that only runs on Windows.

AviD

@DavidFreitag true :-)

well, actually, strictly speaking, it runs on bare metal, and windows runs on it. But your point still stands :-)

David Freitag

Either way, it think it's a pretty clever solution.

@AviD Semantics :]

AviD

@DavidFreitag considering the situation, yes I agree. It is a clever workaround. ;-)

Scott Pack

19:11

@AviD If Hyper-V is so free then where can I download the platform to run it on?

David Freitag

@AviD Yeah, we just got a development kit from CriticalLink (It's an AM335x based SOM board) and they shipped us a development VM instead of a disk with a bunch of tools on it. It's a virtualbox VM of Ubuntu 10.04 all decked out. I want to run it on hardware rather than in a VM and i was looking for an elegant solution.

AviD

@ScottPack nobody said nuthin bout the platform being free...

David Freitag

Got a free 16GB USB 3.0 flash drive out of the deal too.

AviD

@DavidFreitag hehe yay for free stuff!

David Freitag

@AviD Then by default that makes Hyper-V not free... More like free with strings attached

AviD

19:13

@DavidFreitag no, the hyperv is free if you have the platform.

David Freitag

@AviD Exactly. Free with strings

AviD

By your logic (or @scott's), virtualbox is not free either. You need to pay for hardware.

And electricity. and internet to download it...

@DavidFreitag though to be fair, it is free with strings - there are different licenses and the free is not for all uses.

David Freitag

@AviD Also, iirc Hyper-V doesn't quite like linux. The last time i tried to use Hyper-V it vomited all over my attempt to install Linux Mint

AviD

@DavidFreitag havent trued it yet, but I heard that it should work okay. Drivers might be an issue, though.

David Freitag

@AviD Well, Mint worked - sorta. I tried installing some other "non friendly" distros (slackware and arch) and Hyper-V kinda... well... corrupted its self...

That server 2012 needed to be nuked from orbit after i tried using Hyper-V to install arch. Kept blue screening at boot for some reason loosely related to parts of the kernel being mangled.

AviD

19:24

whaa? that doesnt make sense.

there should be complete isolation between the vm and the host...

Rory Alsop

wow -

zdnet.com/new-zealand-bans-software-patents-7000019955

New Zealand bans software patents

AviD

yay for generic regulations without care for context.

Xander

@AviD I've run Linux on it. Seems to be fine with several of the major distros...RHEL, CentOS, Ubuntu.

AviD

@Xander good to know... @DavidFreitag ^

Xander

@AviD Azure has a bunch of Linux images that you can use for their IaaS VMs.

David Freitag

19:28

Hm, i probably fudged something then. I'll have to give it a try again now that the semester has started and i have access to the test servers again.

AviD

@DavidFreitag yeah, it doesnt make sense that the guest install would be able to bork the host. Maybe not work, sure, but if the guest could screw with the host like that, it would be a HUUUUUUGE security hole.

Xander

@DavidFreitag Also let it be known that I've only used Linux for servers on Hyper-V. Never tried to run a Linux desktop environment. The different use case may present different challenges.

@AviD Yup, that.

AviD

@Xander "Linux on Hyper-V for servers" or "Linux for servers on Hyper-V"?

David Freitag

@Xander This was on desktop hardware but using server 2012.

Xander

@AviD Fixed.

AviD

19:31

@Xander great, now I look like a dick.

Xander

@AviD Nice catch though. :-)

David Freitag

Ah, i see. Perhaps. It may also be that by default Arch needs separate partitions for / /home swap and sometimes /var...

AviD

@DavidFreitag could you have attached the host's system disk as a partition to the guest?

Xander

@AviD And I don't think you can hold me responsible for that. I think that's more the status quo. :-P

AviD

then the guest may have tried overwriting it...

@Xander hehe

David Freitag

19:32

@AviD It's possible, but iirc i was using a virtual filesystem not the physical disks for storage.

AviD

So. It turns out that yoga is some difficult shit.

David Freitag

@AviD Oh yeah? Find that out the hard way didya?

AviD

@DavidFreitag very.

And, when I can walk again, I will try again. Maybe next week.

David Freitag

@AviD Hehehe.

Scott Pack

@AviD No way man. Potatoes.

AviD

19:40

@ScottPack Potates?

or, Potatoes?

Scott Pack

@AviD Electricity.

If it can run GLaDOS then it can run a VM

AviD

are we just saying random words now? Is that what we're doing?

BOOM. Shnitzel.

That's actually my 4-year old's punchline to, "Why did the chicken cross the road?"

Not quite sure what she (my 4-yr old) meant, but it was damn funny.

David Freitag

@AviD Portal 2 man. Get with the program.

AviD

sorry! GlaDOS ran on potatoes? Didn't catch that...

David Freitag

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AviD

19:46

Hmm. Of course.

Rory Alsop

I ended up accidentally being filmed yesterday - I think for some internal video - as an example of someone sitting down and using a hot desk. They faffed about for a while, videoed me doing stuff, then as they were packing up one came over and said, "What is Aperture Laboratories?" - they had read my lanyard and wondered if it was something that could be in the video...

AviD

@RoryAlsop how did they take the internal video? With a tube, or a pill?

David Freitag

> All these science spheres are made of asbestos, by the way. Keeps out the rats. Let us know if you feel a shortness of breath, a persistent dry cough or your heart stopping. Because that's not part of the test. That's asbestos.

AviD

Or was this one of those goatse type situations?

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop So does that mean the desk does Zumba?

David Freitag

19:49

@RoryAlsop What exactly is a "hot desk"? Are you in love with furniture...?

AviD

@ScottPack I get it. Cuz the desk is hot.

Rory Alsop

@AviD pffft

you guys

must be bored or sump'n

AviD

heehee, you must hate sharing here.

nevermind them, it was a cool sitch, What did you answer them?

David Freitag

I was being serious. I'm not sure about them.

AviD

@DavidFreitag it's a shared desk.

Rory Alsop

19:52

@AviD I tried to explain... turns out they didn't get it until I just said - it's a geeky game

AviD

so people just come and grab a desk whenever/wherever they want.

David Freitag

@AviD yeah, my googlefu took over after he said it.

Rory Alsop

@AviD where you 'hotel' - or other corporate speak

AviD

It's management's way of saying "you are all replaceable cogs".

David Freitag

Fun

Rory Alsop

19:53

@AviD yep

David Freitag

I imagine the suicide rate is higher than normal.

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag I work for a bank - suiceides all happen to trader types, not techies

Scott Pack

I saw this yesterday. Pretty funny.

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David Freitag

@RoryAlsop Hmm. I suppose.

AviD

@DavidFreitag people that hotdesk for long time lose their own suicide-decision-making ability. Instead they just burn down the Initech building.

David Freitag

19:54

@AviD :]

AviD

@RoryAlsop but from stress, not depression. Now get me another 'burger.

Scott Pack

@AviD So what's it like working for Penetrode?

AviD

@ScottPack heehee

@ScottPack oops, was it Initrode?

David Freitag

I was working in the server room the other day and a coworker walked in and said, "Uhm, yeah... I'm just going to go ahead and take this." I quickly retorted, "But no, that's my stapler!" I think he died from laughter. Mostly because i think he thought that movie was before my time.

AviD

ohh gotta watch that again.

Rory Alsop

19:56

@DavidFreitag don't think I have seen it

David Freitag

@AviD It was Initech. There was another business referenced named Initrode.

@RoryAlsop Office Space? I really like it. Also Grandma's Boy. That was hysterical.

AviD

@RoryAlsop WHAT.

@DavidFreitag right, I thought maybe I mixed them up. thanks.

Rory Alsop

@AviD Office Space? Nope - just had a look on IMDB and not heard of it before

AviD

@RoryAlsop WHAT.

David Freitag

@AviD Even though i cleared that up for you, you should still watch it again.

Rory Alsop

19:58

It's probably a 'Merkin film, right?

copy

@RoryAlsop AviD says you should watch it

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop FUCK YEAH.

Scott Pack

Rory Alsop

@copy that

AviD

You are hereby forbidden from working in a corporate office again before watching it.

Rory Alsop

19:58

@AviD excellent

AviD

@RoryAlsop The Office (the original UK version too) was spiritually based on that.

you will also probably realize that you are famiilar with a few memes that originated from the movie...

Rory Alsop

@AviD Now I really liked the UK Office, but hated the US one

it just wasn't funny

AviD

it was supposed to be funny?

It was all kinds of painful. It evoked feelings of self-pity.

Scott Pack

Steve Carell really ruined the US version for me.

AviD

intended to make everyone feel "good, it's not just me."

Xander

20:01

Dwight was funny.

AviD

@Xander he wasnt acting, Stevie C was.

Xander

And Jim was a less pathetic version of Martin

Scott Pack

Carell just annoys the shit out of me. I wish he had left much earlier, before the show was running out of steam.

David Freitag

I hate Ricky Gervais with a fiery burning passion, and the American version of The Office just isn't funny.

AviD

@DavidFreitag did you see him host the Golden Globes a couple years ago?

Rory Alsop

20:04

@DavidFreitag Hating Ricky Gervais is expected, and normal

David Freitag

@AviD Yep, i wanted to run up on stage and punch him in the face. Like i always feel like doing when i see him do something on tv.

Rory Alsop

@AviD yeah - that's British humour for you

AviD

meh, he made me laugh.

I also enjoyed him - in spite of himself - in Invention of lying.

David Freitag

@AviD I will be honest, The Invention of Lying was really, really good. I almost swore it off because of Ricky Gervais, but he was perfect in it.

AviD

yeah, he does have a narrow set of roles which are perfect for him.

Whiny, fat, annoying englishman.

David Freitag

20:08

It was like, i know Ricky Gervais is a total dick head. He is perfect for the guy who invented lying!

AviD

heh, exactly.

David Freitag

Anyway, off to class. G'Nite gents.

Gilles

This answer is dangerously wrong. Forbidding users to run a few shells accomplishes absolutely nothing. Give me permission to run sudo perl and I can do whatever I like as root. Give me permission to run sudo tee and I can do whatever I like as root. — Gilles 16 secs ago

dv plz

Scott Pack

I can't downvote comments, sorry.

Gilles

also, fire the four people who upvoted that answer

AviD

20:10

heh, for a moment, it looked like you were commenting on LittleBear's answer. I ran to get some popcorn.

Gilles

reptrainwreck

Xander

@Gilles Wow. That user has 3 questions, 2 answers, and zero votes.

Gilles

amazing that he's never had a downvote

Rory Alsop

20:33

I like this idea - having a premium line as your main telephone number to make money off cold callers:

bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23869462

AviD

@RoryAlsop hahah, luvvit!

there was an episode of Hustle where Danny did that - kept calling himself from other people's phones.

AviD

21:05

@ton.yeung hehe

> "Documents and settings and ideas and lists and notes and string and ponies and candy and pieces of fluff and temporary internet files and stuff"

Gilles

fortunately we have no such names on GNU/X11/Apache/Linux/TeX/Perl/Python/FreeCiv systems

every letter is precious. User files go into usr. We don't create files, we creat them. We don't unmount filesystems, we umount them.

Scott Pack

We don't move files we mv them. We don't concatenate files we cat them. We don't find files we find` them.

MattJ

error: paths must precede expression

Gilles

raise hands anyone who doesn't have an alias l for ls with some combination of options

Scott Pack

I have no single character aliases.

AviD

21:18

@ScottPack what about "V"?

Scott Pack

I need to do more oblique crunches first.

Gilles

@AviD I have v but not V

AviD

@ScottPack nah, just put on a mask.

@Gilles not much of an alias, then.

Scott Pack

@AviD How will a mask make my lower abdomen look more awesome?

AviD

@ScottPack not at all, but it will help you with that single character alias.

what does your abdomen have anything to do with revolutions?

Gilles

21:22

@ScottPack take it off and everyone will look at your abdomen which will look more awesome in comparison with your face?

Scott Pack

@AviD daveywaveyfitness.com/ask-davey/how-to-get-v-line-abs

AviD

@ScottPack that's gross.

Scott Pack

@Gilles That seems somewhat unnecessary.

AviD

Step 1: pull your pants down too low.

Step 2: there is no step 2.

extra benefit, it gives you that sexy plumber's crack all the girls have been talking about.

or you look like a teen jersey douche, who doesnt know that his pants (trousers) are supposed to go over his underpants (pants).

Scott Pack

I've been doing more electrical than plumbing lately.

AviD

21:29

I'm still offended that no one has acknowledged my smooth shift to Hugo Weaving.

Gilles

@AviD should I google that or will I regret it?

AviD

@Gilles huh??

V for Vendetta?

Gilles

@AviD “Hugo Weaving”

AviD

also Mr. Smith, but that's not directly relevant.

@Gilles as in, the actor in

Gilles

@AviD ok, whatever

AviD

21:31

imdb.com/title/tt0434409

V for Vendetta (film)

V for Vendetta is a 2005 British action thriller film directed by James McTeigue and written by the Wachowski Brothers, based on the 1982 comic book of the same name by Alan Moore and David Lloyd. Set in London in a near-future dystopian society, Hugo Weaving portrays V—a bold, charismatic freedom fighter, attempting to ignite a revolution against the brutal fascist regime led by Adam Sutler (John Hurt) that has subjugated the United Kingdom. Natalie Portman plays Evey, a working class girl caught up in V's mission, and Stephen Rea portrays the detective leading a desperate quest to sto...

that dude there is Mr. Weaving.

20 mins ago, by Scott Pack

I have no single character aliases.

14 mins ago, by AviD

@ScottPack what about "V"?

damn, was that too subtle, or are you all just mocking me?

Gilles

@AviD I saw several allusions to V for Vendetta, but I don't understand the relevance of mentioning the actor

AviD

the guy behind the mask.....

Scott Pack

You really have at most two conclusions here. Either you're too subtle or you're a putz. I don't see any other options.

@AviD Pay no attention to the man behind the mask!

AviD

hehe, yeah, well I should be working anyway.

TildalWave

22:45

@D3C4FF You around?

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