The DMZ

D3C4FF

00:23

Good timing @TildalWave i am now

TildalWave

I can't get that question of yours about that movie off my head. I'm pretty sure that I've watched it, but can't for the better of me remember which one that was. How old did it look to be?

D3C4FF

@TildalWave Well, i watched it many years ago and hadn't seen it since. It wasn't a particularly new film if i HAD to guess i'd say 1995-2003 kinda era...

My memory is good, but its not that good

TildalWave

@D3C4FF Did you get the impression if it was a comedy, or merely a comical end scene? I mean, what genre would you say it was?

D3C4FF

00:39

@TildalWave A comical end to some kind of thriller, i'm pretty sure the scene before (when someone got shot) was actually quite brutal and lolwut worthy. So the transition between srsbsness and the all blacks doing the haka in the desert is what made it so memorable.

AviD

what movie?

Terry Chia

01:17

@AviD My whole life has been one huge lie....

Scott Pack

@TerryChia Have you guys even developed pants technology down there?

Terry Chia

@ScottPack Yes. I'm not living in Scotland.

Scott Pack

I can see why you were confused. The Scot's developed pants technology while we were still considering coming down from trees. They had advanced into kilt technology so much earlier than everyone else we just assumed they were lagging behind.

Terry Chia

@ScottPack Heh. Thanks for the history lessons.

@AviD You were in the market for a mechanical keyboard IIRC?

This looks good, codekeyboards.com

D3C4FF

01:38

4

Q: Marijuana in car ignites and the driver gets high during a car chase

I'm not sure where else on the internet to ask this and I've tried looking extensively myself. Many years ago when I was much younger I saw a movie on TV (SBS Australia if that helps anyone) that I only caught the end of and its lodged its self like a splinter in my mind ever since. This was man...

identify-this-movie

Terry Chia

02:04

@D3C4FF That sounds like an awesome movie.

D3C4FF

@TerryChia I know right? FFS its been driving me crazy!

TildalWave

@D3C4FF Any known faces in it? Black or white or any other color actors? What do you mean by box car? ...

D3C4FF

@TildalWave Like a really small car like old VW beetle sized. The car was packed completely full of weed..

something like this perhaps? : mayang.com/textures/Manmade/images/Vehicles/…

or maybe this: speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/500R.jpg

TildalWave

02:24

Fiat Cinquecento

The Fiat Cinquecento (Type 170) (; ) was a city car designed by Giorgetto Giugiaro launched by Fiat in late 1991 to replace the Fiat 126. It was the first Fiat model to be solely manufactured in the FSM plant in Tychy, Poland, which had been sold to Fiat by the Polish state, and where production of the Polish variant of the Fiat 126, the Polski Fiat 126p, was still running. Production of the Cinquecento ended in 1998, when it was replaced by the Seicento. Despite its name, its lowest displacement was 704 cc. The Cinquecento was available in one body style only, a small, angular 3-door h...

even more box like

D3C4FF

Yeah something like that, if it helps i -think- it was a boring colour like silver/grey/beige

TildalWave

►

but not this classic, right?

D3C4FF

Hahaha, sadly no. But that's hilarious looking

TildalWave

02:43

@D3C4FF perezhilton.com/…

any of these?

D3C4FF

@TildalWave ahahaha Chris Tucker in Friday. That last gif is lulzy! But no, i don't recognize any of them...

Lucas Kauffman

05:49

Is this where all the cool kids hang out?

Griffin

06:29

@LucasKauffman Well you joined. Kinda lowers our swag level.

AviD

06:41

@TerryChia thanks, but I'm not really "in the market", just interested.

That looks a bit pricey for my taste, but it does have the Atwood Seal of Hardware Geekiness.... Still, I would want to try it out first, I dont know that I would really like that tactile bump.

-1

Q: Where can I find Black Hat videos?

I was trying to gather Blackhat.com videos for educational purposes, and found this: https://www.blackhat.com/html/archives.html but I didn't found any downloadable AVI or even an URL to a youtube video. I can see that there are videos uploaded to youtube, but they uploaded by invidiual per...

black-hat

okay, now what should this be closed as?

Terry Chia

@AviD "Use the fucking search".

AviD

@TerryChia exactly. Or in polite, Be nice, VTC language?

Terry Chia

@AviD Yeah, Jeff's seal makes it really tempting... he is like the biggest keyboard geek I know of.

AviD

@TerryChia s/keyboard/hardware/

at least half of my current build was a direct take from @JeffA's recommendations.

Terry Chia

@AviD "This question is off-topic because security.stackexchange is not a video directory service".

AviD

06:50

after checking it out and discovering that he was totally right.

not taking it blindly...

the other half I didnt take only because it was too pricey for me.

@TerryChia niiiice. Didja VTC?

Terry Chia

@AviD Yeah, keyboards are one of the really iffy ones. Really hard to tell whether you will like it or not until you actually try it.

@AviD Done. :P

AviD

seconded.

Griffin

I like happiness

AviD

07:07

Really? Happiness makes me miserable.

Gilles

@AviD other people's happiness or your own happiness?

AviD

@Gilles either way. Whichever makes you happy.

the concept of happiness?

►

AviD

08:07

heh @TerryChia that keyboard - "How do you know it’s solid? Because it weighs 2.42 pounds. However, please do not use the CODE keyboard as a weapon. " reminds me of:

►

Lucas Kauffman

08:50

@AviD too broad

AviD

@LucasKauffman are you talking about Annie, or the annoying boss lady in the keyboard smash scene?

Rory McCune

09:32

morning all

did you know that you can put HTML tags into the name of an iDevice...

AviD

Cross-Device Scripting!

XDS!

Rory McCune

yeah interestingly in Good for enterprise, it doesn't work (they encode angle brackets)

but although it's an on-premises test install you still get an e-mail from their CISO if you try it :op

Rory Alsop

09:54

pentest magazine seem to be up to those old tricks again "we see from your profile that you have penetration testing expertise - we think that your experience will be invaluableto our readers..."

Rory McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah I still get the odd request from them, along with endless spam . Luckily gmail seems to auto-categorize it as such these days :)

AviD

10:14

@RoryAlsop didja see we had some hakin9 spam on the site?

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD blackhat vids

AviD

@LucasKauffman heh, besides that

security.stackexchange.com/q/17884/33

security.stackexchange.com/q/23136/33

security.stackexchange.com/a/17178/33

security.stackexchange.com/a/41305/33

IF you can see them....

Terry Chia

Woo, it's been a while since I had a rep train. Even a minor one.

Lucas Kauffman

10:34

@TerryChia feels good doesn't it?

@TerryChia you want more don't you?

AviD

@TerryChia is that what you crazy kids are calling it nowadays?

aaahhh yeeaaah, your mom gave me good reptrain last night.

Simon

11:12

She did?

AviD

even though I spell my words like an merkan, it really bugs me when people find it necessary to edit posts to "correct" British spellings and Britishisms to the merkan version.

Simon

I bet they'd argue that it's the "proper way" to spell those words.

AviD

11:28

PEOPLE! Authorise is a legitimate spelling! So is colour. And honour.

And gaaay.

And, correct me if I'm wrong @Rory @Rory and all you other Brits, but it is legitimate to refer to "maths". No need to change that to "the math". Or "mathematics", for that matter.

Simon

Oh c'mon, authorize is spelt with a "z".

AviD

@Simon sure, but "authorise" is with an "s".

Simon

My American dictionary says you're not right.

AviD

sobadsogood.com/2012/08/20/…

Simon

Sad but true.

AviD

11:32

go look up "stupid americans" on youtube. especially the jay leno walkabout stuff.

it's either painfully amusing, or amusingly painful. I cant decide.

On the other hand, while I am bothered by those that are not open to other legitimate variants of the English language, I am equally bothered (if not more so) that insist on creating their own new variant. Most often courtesy of Google (mis)Translate.

I am dying to know what all the indians and fareasterners actually mean when they insist on keep using the word "doubt" everywhere.

"I have some doubts about AES."
"Oh really, are you a cryptographer??"

"What is your doubt about SQL Injection?"
"Umm... I'm not sure it works?"

lynks

@AviD soon none of this will matter, we're a good 4 or 5 steps towards WW3 right now.

AviD

@lynks oh? Sorry I must have missed that memo.

Is it because Steve Ballmer is retiring?

lynks

@AviD That and Michael Douglas' divorce.

AviD

@lynks HE'S GETTING DIVORCED???

From Catherine Hot-Zeta-Jones??

I am ashamed that I know that.

lynks

@AviD I believe so.

But seriously, things are getting...interesting right now globally.

AviD

11:46

@lynks where specifically?

Is it me?

Am I at war right now?

Seriously, am I about to get that dreaded call? The call-up?

lynks

@AviD Well Israel are pretty deep in all this yeah. But you guys are used to being at war.

Rory McCune

@AviD well if you believe the uk news there's big queues in Israel for gas masks...

AviD

@lynks Not me! well, with my neighbors, sure, but even that is old news.

@RoryMcCune bigger queues for polio vaccines.

lynks

@AviD I don't know whether to laugh at that or not. Do you mean your actual neighbours?

AviD

and the gas masks, thats not new, ever since a few years after desert storm, the civil authority (or whatever its called) keep trying to get everybody to refresh their masks. Saves them work, in the long run.

@lynks heh, yeah, thats what I meant, but not since I moved last year.

Well, somebody keeps having their dog take it's coffee break right in front of my house. When I find out who, their knees will be figuratively broken.

lynks

11:50

Well hopefully the Russians and the Yanks will have their little face-off in the Med, then everyone will go home.

Of course the US aren't very good at backing down. Plus the UK, France and Turkey will also be part of the flotilla.

Aaaannddd Iran gets involved, randomly decides to dirty-bomb Israel, who send out the Mossad to assassinate all Muslims, terror attacks against the west rise, China and Russia hang back and let the world destroy itself, then sweep in and divvy up the middle east cold-war style.

The End.

AviD

oo, new Tom Clancy?

lynks

@AviD Yep, and then we are treated to several generations of "Call of Duty: Syria"

AviD

and maybe a Clint Eastwood movie or two.

lynks

@AviD He only gets better with age.

AviD

like fine wine.

Not Miley Cyrus, though - she ages like milk.

also why I try to avoid news channels.

lynks

11:58

@AviD You're probably right, I consume a lot of news, and I like to think I've gotten reasonably hardened to the hyperbole. This one however could genuinely go bad. Not that I think it will, just the possibility is there in a way that is hasn't been since the 60s

Rory McCune

12:13

@AviD see knew you wouldn't be able to avoid hearing about that, heck you have kids!

AviD

exactly.

and they will NOT turn out like that.

and I dont mean the minimal attire or attempts at lascivious behavior, either - I mean the pathetic attempts at shock and cheap imitation of another starlet from 3 decades ago.

unsuccesfully, too.

Rory McCune

good plan, I can't imagine miley is on many parents lists of role models they'd like their children to have!

AviD

12:26

I think its pathetic, really. Her video is so obviously her trying to break her "good girl" image, and distance herself from disney. It's like when little kids grow up and realize "hey! I have a sexy body!" and dont know what to do with it.

not yet quite sure what is actually sexy behavior and what is not.

aaaaand thats the 2nd time I've mentioned her this week.

lets talk about @TerryChia instead.

I hate reports where you have to write everything that is not bad.

umm.... the color of the logo is NOT a security vulnerability.

Adnan

Meow!

Simon

woof

Adnan

So how is it going, young boy?

Simon

Good good, you?

I might FINALLY get my car back today -.-

I'm expecting something to go wrong again.

Adnan

@Simon You'll crash on some highway or possibly a bridge. You'll die.

AviD

12:40

don't be so optimistic!

Simon

@Adnan You think so?

Adnan

> Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.
> Champion of the sun.
> You're a master of karate and friendship for everyone.
> Dayman.

Scott Pack

12:51

@AviD One day the wife and I were driving past the middle school when they were letting out. It was rather ewwy to see those kids attempting to make out on the street corner.

AviD

@ScottPack yeah, I know what you mean. Mini skirts and tanktops on 13 year olds just dont seem right.

dunno, maybe I'm just an old fogey...

Simon

@AviD No, it's quite disgusting.

AviD

but yeah, that was kind of like what that video was like.

Scott Pack

No, I agree. The legs are all knobby knees at that age. Stick legs on a miniskirt just isn't attractive.

AviD

thing is, now that I am a fogey, I find 15 year olds like that to be ewwy too.

Scott Pack

12:54

...So you've moved on to 16...?

Simon

lulz

AviD

@ScottPack and, a year from now when my daughter gets close to that age, I will up the minimum again.

Simon

Your own daughter going through teenage sounds... awful.

I wouldn't be a good dad I think.

Scott Pack

The worst is when your pre-schooler starts going through teenage rebellion.

Simon

Oh god.

AviD

12:59

@ScottPack yeah, they're starting teenagism younger and younger.

Rory Alsop

luckily no teenage rebellion for me yet - my eldest got up on his 13th birthday and went "Uuurgh...Only joking, how are you this delightful morning mater and pater?"
oh how we laughed

he hasn't yet seen Kevin and Perry, but I think he is well aware

AviD

seriously?

when my eldest hit 13, I figured we were halfway through.

Rory Alsop

yer - he is good so far, still happy to have a hug even near the school gates

AviD

aww sweet

I guess it helps having cool parents.

I wouldn't know. I'm a fogey.

Rory Alsop

i'll have more trouble with middle daughter, i reckon

AviD

13:02

haha, apropos:

►

speakers, nsfw.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Probably. She's got a devilish edge.

AviD

... depending where you work.

Rory Alsop

@scott- too true

Scott Pack

So how is twerking different from grinding?

Simon

Twerking doesn't typically involve grinding, unless you're a whore.

Scott Pack

13:09

So like uncomfortable Montana on Thicke action?

Simon

No idea what it is but you gotta shake your ass as fast as you can.

Twerking 101.

AviD

is that what they taught you in the first class?

Simon

No, it was written in the description of the class.

AviD

@Simon so how many twerking classes have you taken so far?

Scott Pack

You mean like a Shakira video?

Simon

13:14

@AviD Only 6 so far.

@ScottPack I guess that would be a decent comparison, yes.

Rory Alsop

@Simon - I'm intrigued as to what the syllabus would look like covering lessons 1 to 6...

AviD

@RoryAlsop and how many lessons there are in total.

Simon

@RoryAlsop 1-5 was theory, we finally started to twerk at the end of the 6th class.

AviD

there is a lot of theory to this?

or do you need to just watch example videos for a few hours?

Scott Pack

So 5/6 of the program is history and theory while the final bits are actually attempting something? Clearly you went to a liberal arts school.

AviD

13:31

@ScottPack so he sat around for a few hours watching hot women bounce their derriere, then had to stand up and move around? Clearly he did NOT go to engineering school.

Scott Pack

@AviD My 3rd quarter of grad school resulted in me having a CS class meeting not in the Engineering building.

That was a rather startling experience.

AviD

heh.

Sounds like he's probably in sales.

Simon

@ScottPack No, no. To get your diploma, you must go through 50 classes. So, from the 6th to the 50th, you get to master the technique.

You old people don't understand anything.

Scott Pack

That's quite a large program.

AviD

"program"

Scott Pack

13:35

English boy!

Simon

Well, that's what you must go through if you don't wanna end up doing some low-level twerking like Cyrus.

Yeah, that was quite something.

AviD

@ScottPack ooops :$

@Simon is there only one?

I would have thought there are several.

Simon

@AviD Yes.

Scott Pack

My entire undergraduate degree only required 42 classes. Only 10 of which were required to be from you rmajor.

AviD

most of mine was math. and then they went and required specific classes in other topic, such as language, and so on.

Stephane

13:48

I think I'm going to cry... I just received an email from a tech support guy who say that he needs the passphrase used to lock an SSL private key in order to load the server certificate in the client...

And these guys are the ones who insiseted of using self-signed certs to perform HTTPS client cert auth

AviD

and you gave it to him??

Scott Pack

1 2 3 4 5

Stephane

I don't even have the password :P

AviD

@ScottPack hehe, after a few weeks of begging and working for it, I gave my daughter the new passcode to the wifi.... "12341234". She almost threw a chair at me.

Stephane

I wrote the server based on THEIR specs. And they can't import a public cert in a java keyring. The fun of outsourced IT support

Scott Pack

13:50

Excellent.

AviD

@Stephane no, you mean, "I don't even".

Scott Pack

There are few things I hate more than importing SSL certs into java apps.

AviD

Name them.

Scott Pack

Genocide of groups I don't have problems with.

Stephane

Well, if they don't know how to do it, the shouldn't be running java-based apps and insisting on using client auth in SOAP

Scott Pack

13:51

Beer with banana flavoring.

Genocide that does not include people who think Jim Bean is a good whiskey.

I think that's about it.

Stephane

@AviD lol

AviD

but without Jim Bean, you can't mix a Three Wise Men!

lynks

Jeff Atwood chooses cherry clears for his keyboard, everyone loses their minds.

Xander

14:09

@lynks Except for all the people who want to point out the fact that it's useless because it's not ergonomic.

AviD

@Xander just because something doesnt meet your ideal image of something, doesnt make it "useless".

lynks

@Xander It's pretty much identical to my keyboard (ducky shine), I never got the whole ergonomic thing.

Xander

@AviD You're preachin' to the choir. On this particular issue, I've never had any interest in ergonomic keyboards. Ergonomic or not, they've always felt awkward to me. But from the comments on Jeff's posts, apparently egonomic keyboard users seem to believe that they are The One True Path.

AviD

ah, I dont read blog comments.

actually havent read his post yet, either.

Xander

@AviD I don't either...Just wanted to see what all the fuss @lynks was mentioning was about. :-)

AviD

14:14

linky?

Xander

@AviD codinghorror.com/blog/2013/08/the-code-keyboard.html

lynks

I was mostly just pointing out that cherry clears is an unusual choice.

AviD

@Xander ta

@lynks all the more reason to trust the Jeff, then.

Xander

@lynks I'm not into mechanical keyboards either, so I don't really understand the difference.

AviD

I find his choices in hardware are usually well based, except for his acceptance of cost.

lynks

14:16

@Xander keyboardlover.com/switchanimations.php

Xander

@lynks Ah! Ok.

AviD

@lynks is that some kind of weird fetish porn?

lynks

@AviD thems yer options.

Xander

@lynks It looks like the only difference between most of them is that they have different detents. Is that all?

(And the blue has an articulated mechanism as well)

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack any idea how you can export Hosts per Vulnerability in Nessus?

AviD

14:19

@Xander I remember reading that there are two main differentiating factors: the force required, and the tactile feedback. In addition to the clickyclacky.

lynks

@Xander exactly that. Different force curves, red and black are linear, so no feedback until you bottom out. Others have a bump that indicates when the key will register. Blue has a "noise maker".

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman Nessus or SC?

Lucas Kauffman

Nessus

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman And you're just trying to generate a report?

Xander

@AviD I hear they're quiet now. That's one of the selling features of Logitech mechanical board, anyway. The clackyclacky would make me throw it away in about 10 minutes.

Lucas Kauffman

14:20

@ScottPack yea I want to have an overview per vulnerability how many hosts were affected

AviD

@Xander some actually like that.

Xander

@lynks Ok, cool.

@AviD And more power to 'em. Not for me.

lynks

@Xander I added o-rings to my mx browns yesterday, silenced them somewhat and also reduced the switch throw by 0.4mm

AviD

@Xander not I either.

Xander

@lynks Ah! That was your 2.5 hour task. :-)

lynks

14:21

@Xander yep

AviD

@lynks you'd probably know this, I remember seeing a chart laying out the different switch options, by the different factors.

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman So do you just want something like a table where column A is plugin and column B is number of hosts?

AviD

so if you want hard+tactile you go to black. or brown. whatever.

lynks

wait...this is going to be my thing in here now isn't it. I'm the keyboard guy.

AviD

better than the fire guy.

lynks

14:22

@AviD yeah overclockers.net has a good mechanical keyboard guide on the forums somewhere

AviD

or the tutu guy.

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack yea, but not just the number also the IP of the hosts

AviD

@Xander this might help too keyboardco.com/blog/index.php/2012/12/…

> Super Black switches are extra stiff

once you go black....

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman I'm not sure you can do that with standalone. You definitely can with SC.

@LucasKauffman So hey. After my thesis I plan on writing an app to process nessus results and insert them into a database.

@LucasKauffman you know, like all the others, but hopefully with sane database design and maintainable code.

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack that would be awesome :p

AviD

14:25

@ScottPack I have a feeling they all said that.

Xander

@AviD Ah, interesting!

Scott Pack

@AviD Looking at the code and DBs for the ones I've seen I don't actually think so

AviD

@Xander I looked into this a few months ago. I decided as much as these look good, and like something I would like, until you really feel it under your hands you really have no clue.

I dont really have any idea what they feel like.

Xander

@AviD Yeah, that is the problem.

AviD

@ScottPack well, dont forget, most people who use nessus are not programmers.

Scott Pack

14:28

@AviD Yeah. To be fair, I wouldn't call myself a programmer either. I do, however, at least have both the knowledge that I'm not one and the desire to make what I do produce not embarrassing.

Iszi

@LucasKauffman Can't you get a CSV with a list of all vulnerabilities found? I know I'll get slapped for this, but I could easily tell you how to work with that data in Excel to get the info you want.

AviD

that knowledge puts you ahead of the crowd, then.

@Iszi hahahahaha

Scott Pack

@Iszi Not without development effort, no.

Oh, hell, scratch that!

There is a CSV output.

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman github.com/raesene/TestingScripts/blob/master/…

that should do it

does vulns per severity level and then hosts per vuln :)

just needs the .nessus file as input

Scott Pack

See, that's what you want right there. Command line arguments, an actual help output, error logging. It doesn't support perldoc, but hey, nothing's perfect.

Lucas Kauffman

14:31

@Iszi csv output of nessus is weird

AviD

@LucasKauffman says the guy stroking a llama.

2

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune awesome

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman has some pre-req's but if you clone the repo and do 'bundle install' (assuming you have ruby and bundler installed) they should sort themselvs out...

Iszi

14:45

@LucasKauffman How weird?

Lucas Kauffman

@Iszi wait let me check, I think it's excel which shows weird output

nessusautoanalyzer.rb:150:in `block in parse_files': undefined method `name' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
from nessusautoanalyzer.rb:147:in `each'
from nessusautoanalyzer.rb:147:in `parse_files'
from nessusautoanalyzer.rb:108:in `run'
from nessusautoanalyzer.rb:647:in `<main>'

@RoryMcCune what do I do :3?

Lucas Kauffman

15:07

@RoryMcCune nvm

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman fixed?

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune yes :p now I need to find how to install rubyXL

Simon

@LucasKauffman Why didn't they name it wienerXL?

Would have been way funnier, duh.

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman ahh rubyXL should be just a gem, but you'll need rubyzip (for some reason it doesn't get installed as a pre-req.) so gem install rubyXL and then gem install zip/zip should do it IIRC

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune Parsed

Rory McCune

15:10

actually not gem install zip/zip it's gem install rubyzip

@LucasKauffman coolo :)

Terry Chia

@AviD Having fun mocking me???

AviD

@TerryChia wait, are you the llama??

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune Excel completed file level validation and repair. Some parts of this workbook may have been repaired or discarded.

Terry Chia

@AviD Damn, shouldn't have said anything.

So today was interesting. Finally discovered the trick of stashing shellcodes in environmental variables. Can't believe I didn't think of that sooner.

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman ooh that's odd, that's from the spreadsheet parsed output? either way the info you're looking for should be in the text reports.. (the ones that look like (prefix)_critical.txt)

Lucas Kauffman

15:14

@RoryMcCune yea found them, thanks a lot, you just saved me from a very late night :p

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman yeah I pretty much wrote that script for that reason. After trying to parse v.large nessus reports, when I was reporting by issue rather than by host, it seemed like a sensible plan...

Terry Chia

@Simon That's getting sad. :P

Oh hey, I'm pass @makerofthings7! :D

Simon

@TerryChia At least you are the only one who bothered to acknowledge that I said that.

Lucas Kauffman

ah btw guys

today I went from minion level I to minion level II

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman What? Are you working for Gru?

Lucas Kauffman

15:23

@TerryChia nah still EY, but I progressed

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Ahhh. Sad. I kinda imagined you as a short yellow thing singing "Banana" non stop.

congrats anyway. :P

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia tx ^^

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman woo associate 2 only 2 small hurdles to the heady heights of consultant!

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune indeed :p

Terry Chia

15:46

And boom, repcap.

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia You got a reptrain, apparently. Reptrains do that.

Apart from that, the site appears very quiet today.

Terry Chia

@ThomasPornin Yep, choo choo!

lynks

16:04

New Zealand banned software patents! Yayyy

Adnan

@lynks Would that have any effect on intellectual property and trade secret laws?

lynks

@Adnan not at all, patents are unrelated and are widely regarded as a poor fit for software.

AviD

16:28

@lynks most software.

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan Indirectly, if patents are banned, then we might imagine that there would be an increase in trade secrets (which don't work with software because of reverse engineering, but that has never prevented people from trying).

The theory is that a patent is way to prevent innovative techniques from being lost when the inventor dies. The patent is a publication, in exchange of which a time-limited monopoly is granted.

One basic problem with software patents is that the normal delay for a patent (20 years) does not match the pace at which the computing world is changing. 20 years after, what was patented has probably become irrelevant. So avoiding the loss is no longer a very interesting goal.

Another problem with software patents is that some big companies have come into the habit of registering thousands of patents, and nobody knows what this would become in court. In effect, this creates a climate of uncertainty which is quite plausibly suffocating innovation.

(The latter point is linked to the fact that patent offices are supposed to filter out the most obviously trollish patents but have shown to be utterly unable to do that with some fields, in particular software.)

In practice, software patents are used by big companies to throw lawyers at each other, but not to protect innovation. Small IT companies rarely have time or resources to file patents, and even when they do and a big company is interested in their expertise, the big company buys the small one and/or shamelessly copies the patented technique, instead of buying a license.

Simon

16:55

Can we go anything with these product placements: security.stackexchange.com/questions/18931/… ?

It sure as hell sounds like one.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Flag it for moderator attention.

Depending on whether @Rory the Ancient feels grumpy that day, the post will be deleted, or heavily edited with a strongly worded rebuttal.

Simon

Good, thanks.

Simon

18:15

NNNNUUUUKKKKEEE: security.stackexchange.com/questions/41488/…

ManishEarth

18:44

Arming missile...

Nuked

Iszi

Nuke for non-spammy reasons:

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Q: education vs self taught

I looked for a question that was somewhat similar to mine with no success.(although I didn't look extremely hard, so I'm sorry if this ends up being a duplicate) My question basically is do you work with or without an education? Meaning do you have a diploma/degree/certificate etc etc. I am curr...

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Scott Pack

19:43

pew pew pew

David Freitag

20:02

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It isn't exactly metal, but it's still pretty... cool?

TildalWave

20:15

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Gilles

20:53

@ThomasPornin or often tells the small company “you're probably violating one of our 10000 patents, either pay a lawyer M$ that you don't have to refute that or let us use your patent”

David Freitag

21:15

@Gilles On a scale of one to ten how bad would you say forcing fsck to run on the currently mounted root partition is?

Gilles

@DavidFreitag bad

why did you have disk corruption in the first place?

David Freitag

@Gilles Yeahp. i learned that one the hard way this afternoon.

Gilles

how do you know that fsck and everything it depends on are uncorrupted?

David Freitag

@Gilles embedded linux board with an SD. superblock got mangled somehow

Gilles

all of that is on top of fsck on any mounted filesystem being a recipe for disaster

David Freitag

21:19

I didn't intentionally run it on the root partition, i began to run it on the partitions on the SD Card and suddenly realized that might be a bad idea. I was lazy and supplied the -y flag so it pretty much took over instantly.

Needless to say i had to yank the SD Card and build a new image after i totally fudged my root partition.

Lucas Kauffman

We all make mistakes, fortunately we always have backups right?

David Freitag

@LucasKauffman Nah don't need a backup. It had a fresh install of some demo software that made it look like an iPad. Somehow the superblock on the home and root partitions got mangled. fsck had a field day on that SD Card

Only need five minutes with my gcc cross compiler and mk2fs to write new partitions..

paste

22:59

Has anybody used Gorilla (password manager)?

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