The DMZ

Just like a guy who tried to explain to me that "the majority of hollywood producers are far-right"

Like...imagine unironically believing this

Anonymous

I left a smart ass comment.

Anonymous

That's my work done on the main site for the year.

Anonymous

See you next year.

11:10 AM

I was about to say the same thing, but schroeder was already there, so I didn't feel the need to get involved

Anonymous

Meh.

Anonymous

I like being a cunt.

Me too

Anonymous

:D

Anonymous

Should post the exact same comment :DDD

Anonymous

11:12 AM

Pizza time.

REEEEEEEEE

I ordered pizza recently and it never came

Anonymous

Really?

Anonymous

That's bad.

Customer support didn't help me either

Anonymous

That reminds me, when I was in Berlin, I ordered some Lebanese food.

11:13 AM

First they said "Hello, thanks for waiting. I'll be with you in a second"

Anonymous

I was staying in a hotel and I don't speak German, right.

I said "okay"

Anonymous

So the guy rang me and said: "im in the lobby" in German.

Anonymous

But I didn't understand him, so I thought it was a prank call or like, just someone who got my number, whatever.

oof

Anonymous

11:14 AM

So he went back to the restaurant and I didn't get my food. BY the time I went down, he was gone.

Anonymous

So then I had to get the receptionist to phone the place for me and speak in German.

Anonymous

It was really awkward, I felt very bad for her.

Anonymous

Some UK idiot saying: "oi bruv phone this cunt and ask where my food is"

Anonymous

(I didnt actually say that but you know, stereotypes)

And 10 minutes later I said "Okay, very funny joke right there. First I wait for 2 hours of my fucking Pizza, and it doesn't even arrive, and now the support doesn't answer either. You can all suck my nuts. Keep the 10€ I paid for the Pizza, and shove it right up your ass. It's the last money you'll ever see from me"

Anonymous

11:15 AM

That's really bad...

Anonymous

To put into comparison how good this place was with that pizza place, they remade my food.

Anonymous

Not reheated, remade.

Anonymous

And I made the mistake, not them.

Anonymous

FeelsGoodMan

Nice, very nice of them

I hope you tipped generously

Anonymous

11:16 AM

Yes, 6 euros. Since I had some notes and leftover coins and I wasn't going to make him get change for me.

Very nice

Anonymous

I really like Berlin, it's super nice.

Do you want to know what pisses me off the most?

Anonymous

If taxes weren't so high, I wouldn't mind living there.

Anonymous

What?

11:17 AM

They didn't even send me an e-mail or anything to apologize for the fact that my food never came, or that support was unresponsive.

Anonymous

That's fucking terrible.

Nr. 1 rule of customer support is "Show you are doing something"

Anonymous

Was that via Lieferando support or the place?

Via Mjam, which is like Lieferando

Even if you have some long-running task, send the customer some signal that you are still there, working on it

Here's how that conversation should have run down:

Anonymous

I am glad I never used that app when I was there, I guess...

11:21 AM

Me: "Hello, I have a problem with my order no. 123456789. I ordered at 20:00, and for over one and a half hours, I didn't receive my pizza. I tried calling the restaurant, but nobody is picking up. What should I do?"
Customer Support: "Hello and thank you for contacting us. First of all, I'm sorry to hear that you have problems with your order. I will try contacting the restaurant now to see if we can find a solution. Please give me a minute to contact them."
Me: "Okay"

Anonymous

lul

Anonymous

dammit.

Anonymous

i cant upload gifs.

Anonymous

external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/…

Customer Support: "The restaurant is unresponsive, so I cannot say for sure if your order came through or not. I'll cancel the order, so you will not be charged, and I'll send you a voucher per e-mail to make up for the lost time."

11:22 AM

btw basically fixed my rsi

That's what I would have expected

@djsmiley2kStaysInside Nice

just got some small yoga cushion things under my elbows now

instant relief.

Anonymous

I wish that helped me.

Instead I got "Hello, I will be with you in a second" and then nothing

Anonymous

My fingers are really, really painful, constantly.

Anonymous

11:23 AM

I am getting much slower at typing too literally because of the pain,.

Have you gone to a doctor?

Anonymous

I was previously able to type at 140-150wpm. I am now able to type no faster than 130wpm, on a good day.

I really wouldn't ignore it :S

Anonymous

Have I gone to a doctor he says, do you think me of all people would ever go to a doctor?

Anonymous

No, I've not.

11:24 AM

Maybe you should consider going to the doctor

Anonymous

Yes, I know. It is on my list of things to do.

Anonymous

I will go.

Nice

Anonymous

I started doing finger exercises, or whatever.

Anonymous

Clenching my fists often, thumb across palm, all that kinda' shit.

Anonymous

11:25 AM

Seems to help, a bit.

I'm looking to buy a break open shotgun

thing is, if you don't treat it

it can become permenant

Anonymous

Oh, I know.

and as you, like me, seem to be following a career route which mainly involves using your hands... you might want to think about looking after them.

Anonymous

I am just not someone who gives a shit about their health so, I've been putting off going to the doctors. But I will go.

Anonymous

11:28 AM

Once I finish this course, I'll go.

Anonymous

It'll take 3 months to get an appointment anyways.

Anonymous

@MechMK1 I just saw your comment :D

Anonymous

+1

:D

Come on guys, if it bothers you just edit it out

11:30 AM

Wanna see a good comic?

Anonymous

@nobody Huh?

Anonymous

Edit what out?

No point in putting a dozen comments there

@J-- The political part

Anonymous

Oh right.

Anonymous

Mods will most likely remove those comments...

Anonymous

11:31 AM

So meh?

I'm not editing it since the question isn't salvagable

I'm merely politely telling him he's a fucking idiot

Anonymous

^

@MechMK1 Which is also not related to infosec

@nobody We've left the realms of infosec long ago

This is shitpost country now

11:33 AM

The DMZ? yes. Sec.SE? Not so much

Anonymous

To be fair @nobody - comments have always been used to hint to people they are an idiot.

Anonymous

Mods just remove them, usually.

@J-- Well no point in increasing schroeders work load

Anonymous

That's a fair point.

While generally I would agree, telling people that they should stay on-topic is valuable.

11:35 AM

@MechMK1 Well then maybe one comment is enough?

Come on, let me have my fun :D

Isn't that why we're all here?

@MechMK1 Did it ever occur to you that I might be having fun myself rn?

Anonymous

No. I am too autistic to recognise that.

Anonymous

Like, actually.

@nobody No, because I didn't have a coffee yet and my brain is working on like 5% power

It's 13:36 for me and I woke up like half an hour ago

11:38 AM

Also I'd prefer to keep the site nice for everyone. No point in driving people away by repeatedly telling them they are an idiot for being far-{insert something here}

That's not what I said

You can be far-left, I don't care.

I'd wager the majority of SE users are left-leaning in some form or another.

My point is that the comment "REDDIT IS FULL OF FAR-RIGHT PEOPLE" is a.) just bullshit and b.) much more importantly, completely off-topic.

Keep politics out of your question unless it is relevant to your question.

Yeah but if OP gets multiple comments pointing out the same mistake, they might feel they are being attacked

One is enough

Because they are

Cause and effect, simple

I don't begin my questions like "I'm a national socialist and I want to know which TLS ciphers are considered secure"

Alright do it your way, I'm not a mod anyways.

@MechMK1 Would be a nice troll question

Just make it a bit more subtle

Q: How to deal with apathetic co-worker?

Nah, a good troll question is Robert S.' question about his apathetic co worker

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I work in gastronomy in a rather small restaurant. The co-worker I spend most of my work-day around has become more and more apathetic over the past few months. It was a very gradual change, so I am uncertain if it has to do with a specific event. I generally enjoy my job and try to be in a good...

colleagues europe

11:44 AM

Of course I don't mean to suggest it could compete with that

I might Hitlerpost at some point though :D

Though I won't post as "Adolf H."

@MechMK1 Waiting for it

I just need to wait for a good oppurtunity

Might go on academia and ask what to do after I have been rejected from art school :D

"The only feedback I have received is that my paintings, which I have used to demonstrate my skills, were supposedly "uninspired", but without any further indication as to what's wrong with them. I don't understand what the issue with them is, or how I'm supposed to fix it."

This could actually be good

Looks better than Robert S.

I'm confident someone will say "Do us a favor and don't get into politics" and I'd respond that I've considered it, since I've always wanted to change my country for the better.

Anonymous

11:54 AM

Damn, that pizza was fucking good.

Glad you enjoyed it

Anonymous

Thanks.

Anonymous

Now, I wish I could fix my machine not ever finishing the disk creation process for VMs.

@MechMK1 Least from meta, its a pretty wide spread

and there's nasty folks on both sides

@JourneymanGeek 100% agreed

Though purely out of a sense of curiosity, I'd love to know how the majority of SE regulars identify themselves as.

12:02 PM

Here's an important point to consider

most people who come here don't care about politics internal or external at all

Or pay attention to meta and such

(which is why SE at one point decided we weren't woth bothering with)

That's true

of the people who care

they may have their pet topics

It's a shame to see SE Inc. abandon Meta so hard

@MechMK1 We kinda managed to monkeywrench that

though the CM team got shafted, and there's still a lot of problems with how they treat folks

Anonymous

12:15 PM

@MechMK1 im a raging communist, clearly.

Anonymous

sorry, a raging, extremist, anarcho-commuinist

@JourneymanGeek What would you consider the biggest or most prominent problems right now?

@J-- I'm just a regular ol' NatSoc :D

@MechMK1 tbh, I'm a little too close to that one right now

so I'll probably want to talk about it 'in time'

(Its me, not y'all)

Sure thing :D

Anonymous

@MechMK1 heh :D

Anonymous

12:21 PM

I am not actually a communist.

Oh

Anonymous

Despite popular belief...

This is awkward

:D

Anonymous

I get called a communist an awful lot.

Anonymous

I'm just very far left.

Anonymous

12:22 PM

As for the anarchy part... well...

Anonymous

I like the idea, but I recognise it doesn't work in large populations.

That's just because people are lazy when it comes to thinking. They'd rather not ponder too much about your specific views, so they replace them with a cookie-cutter "communist" and that's much easier

I just consider political "discussions" the least productive thing a person can ever do. Nothing changes no matter what you think, and its very rare (if ever) that you convince a person to subscribe to your views.

Anonymous

Eh.

Anonymous

I think it's fun to hear what others think.

12:26 PM

@nobody constructive political discussions can be interesting

too much internet discourse is shouting at each other

@JourneymanGeek never seen one

@nobody it's like talking to a Barcelona fan and convincing him of becoming a Real Madrid fan...

@ThoriumBR Exactly!

no matter what any of their fans do or thing or argue or fight, it won't change if any of the teams will win or lose...

As a matter of fact, I've tried doing that

Just for the lulz

12:29 PM

But you can generally talk about the game'

@nobody I don't necessarily need to convince someone of my views, but it is indeed valuable to talk about a specific topic, and give an alternative point of view.

Anonymous

I think people get too hung up on trying to change people's mind.

Anonymous

I don't talk about politics to try and change someones viewpoint. It's just interesting.

Anonymous

There isn't much more to it than that, for me at least.

For example, I was always very much in favour of strong worker protection, but @ConorMancone raised the good point that with weaker protection, it's easier to get a job, since companies don't see you as such a big investment.

While I still believe in strong worker protection, I now see why someone may be in favour of weaker protections.

And I believe that's an inherently valuable thing.

But political discussion on this level requires a certain level of mutual respect, which is often absent in anonymous online discussion.

12:33 PM

@MechMK1 I guess I just happen to interact with the wrong sort of people, because I find its often absent in real life discussions as well

it's different when you talk about what you think, or talk about why the other is wrong

@nobody The trouble is that this applies to almost any aspect of life. Changing minds is something that, IMO, happens very rarely and only very slowly

@nobody It depends on who I speak to. For example, a very good friend of mine is incredibly liberal-left. We have lots and lots of respectful discussion about various topics. On some we agree, on others we don't.

and DMZ have nice discussions that I don't see elsewhere

So let's just not bother with the discussion at all...

Try to change my opinion about this :)

12:35 PM

@ThoriumBR Naturally. There are topics in which my position is firm and nobody can change my mind.

For example, someone argued that all children should be given puberty blockers until they are 18 so they can "select their gender"

@MechMK1 I can?

God damnit :D

haha...

I would type that...

Looks like this is going to be a problem...

@MechMK1 It's very similar, and has a similar impact to, the concept of a "social safety net" in general. I've ran into many that like to rake the US over the coals because of our less-developed social safety nets, but the reality is, there's just no such thing as a free lunch. Every government action has its own side effects that have disadvantages

The trick is for each "culture" to decide what balance it wants

12:36 PM

there's a great difference between "I don't think as you" and "you are wrong"

@nobody lol!

@MechMK1 I've actually never heard someone take that position before

I'm going to refrain from commenting...

@ConorMancone Be glad.

Anyways, I usually avoid political discussions because its an easy way to make random enemies

Except I can't help but ask: what are the side effects of that? Like, you can't just pick up puberty at 18, can you?

I love getting into political discussions, because it's an easy way to make random enemies

12:38 PM

for workers protection, I think the Nepalese sherpa should have a hell of a safety net, because when they die, their families are wrecked way more than the average... and those using their services are usually millionaires that don't have anything else to burn their money

Or maybe I should say, despite the fact that I'm completely uninformed: the idea that someone can just delay puberty to 18 and then develop normally has got to be the most ridiculous thought I've entertained recently...

@MechMK1 why 18?

Why can't people select their gender earlier?

so I believe that people escalating those mountains should pay a hefty price tag on their services, and that money would go to a trust fund to take care of the families of them

or speed it up?

I assume because it signifies adulthood?

12:39 PM

That's agist

@JourneymanGeek I was going to go in the opposite direction. I know that most of the world sees 18 as adulthood, but I still consider that far to young to make life changing decisions

lol!

so those kids not wanting to be a sherpa like his dead dad would have money to study and do something else

Don't ask me what their logic is

I had it pretty together in my late teens, but I still had no idea what I was doing

On the other hand, if one feels they're a specific gender, why wait?

12:40 PM

@ThoriumBR Sounds like they need a union :)

it's one of a few fields that a union makes perfect sense

Or why assign an unassigned gender and force someone not to be their real gender until an arbitrarily defined age?

there are more, of course, but I am biased against unions... because the way how they work here...

the heads of the unions driving land rovers and the people they represent take a bus to work

@ThoriumBR Those are gangs, not unions

exact

but for the sherpa, it would do a lot of good

100k dollars for one sherpa would be a lot of money and take care of his family for decades, but for a millionaire it's just another Audi

12:44 PM

@ThoriumBR That's basically why I'm a minimalist when it comes to government intervention. Government mandates are inherently broad and run the risk of hurting as much as they help. There are many cases where something like a union makes perfect sense, and other places where they don't. The best thing the government can do is to make sure that there are no artificial barriers to letting people do what makes the most sense to them

I am for the minimal government too... government should be the last resource, not the first

for example, here you have to follow A LOT of red tape to do any public work for the gov, so only companies with ties with them can do anything. if they just slapped a qr-code on anything needing do be done and any citizen could do it, and go to jail if they got the money but didn't delivered, it would be cheaper to run the country

and a lot of unemployed people would work painting walls and cleaning rubbish for the gov

Except.... I have a bot that hoovers up all the QR codes

the Goverment is now bust

I'm the richest man in the country

and the police listen to me

@djsmiley2kStaysInside No we'll slap a qr code on you too. So anybody can arrest you and take you to jail. We don't depend on the government, you see, so we don't have to wait for the police :D

What if I arrest myself?

Don't worry. the qr code is on your back, so you can't scan it yourself

12:52 PM

@djsmiley2kStaysInside I saw a guy that turned himself in to get the bounty, and was mad after knowing that he wouldn't receive the bounty

xD

:D

cbsnews.com/news/…

for $100...

Anonymous

1:23 PM

PoLiCe LUL

he didn't even thought of having a friend turning him in so they could share the bounty later

but I believe a Taliban would have another Taliban as a friend and it wouldn't end well the same

Fire Quacker

Could have tried a family member

1:57 PM

if all of Tor servers were in the same country, say the USA, would Tor still make sense? This question is more or less another way to ask: is anonymity on the internet possible only because we are exploiting the fact that the internet is a global network that covers a lot of different governments?

it would still make sense

it's like using only starbucks wifi for internet access

gov would know someone is using starbucks to shitpost dark memes against gov policies, but would not know who, only that the perpetrator was using random starbucks access

you wouldn't have the "mult jurisdiction shield" like the one that kept Kazaa online for so long, but it would still work

it would still work, more or less, but it wouldn't be the same

it would work even if all Tor servers where inside the same university. the point is to not allow the destination site know for sure the identity of the client. if the university have 1k users and does not log who is connected, it's impossible to know which one accessed what site

it would reduce the search space a lot, and a dedicated adversary would have little trouble unmasking the user giving enough time, but it would work

2:25 PM

yeah, I understand, it still makes sense after all. However I'm still convinced that the more you centralize something, the more it can be controlled. So a Tor-like network inside a university is much more easily controlled than a Tor-like network over a whole city, which in turn is much more easily controlled than a Tor-like network over a whole country, which in turn... is worse than a Tor-like network over the whole world

If the internet wasn't a global network, and from the US you could only connect to some other place in the US (and the US wasn't reachable from any other country), how many less cyber crimes would there be? How many more cyber criminals would be caught?

(the US is a pretty big country anyway, to be honest, LOL)

grabbing cyber criminals is a very difficult task. it's one thing to connect an internet handle to a crime (like lolsec's Sabu), and another different story is connecting that handle to a person

and if that person is on another country (like Russia or China), even if you connected the crime to the handle to the person, bringing that person to jail can be impossible

if the internet wasn't global, surely less crimes would affected the US. it's like having an internal disconnected network like Cuba have... you don't hear Cuban based hackers hacking the US, nor the inverse

as they have no external connectivity, they aren't reachable and cannot reach us

you can have something like that by controlling YOUR border gateway. if you don't trust Azerbaijan, for example, put rules on your border firewall denying any package to/from them. do that for a sizable number of countries and you end up with a smaller internet

@reed you'd compromise the university

and then you'd have all the logs

the distributedness of tor is to have no single point of compromise, whether its technical or $5 wrench based

2:40 PM

I didn't know Cuba wasn't connected to the internet

common people created they own internet... I believe the gov have internet and some companies, but common people don't

3:41 PM

I've heard there's various sneaker nets...

5:05 PM

can an INFOSEC professional be a supporter of any conspiracy theories, or is that incompatible with being a serious professional? To me, it sounds incompatible. But I'm not sure. Do you know any good infosec experts who happen to have "weird" ideas?

hahahaha

sorry,,,

yep, it's possible and even expected

5:19 PM

I don't see why anyone in any profession would be restricted from believing in crazy conspiracy theories

As humans, we're inherently irrational, and so no one is immune from the crazy

I wouldn't say "expected". I mean, most conspiracy theorists don't seem to have highly technical jobs or positions where they are responsible for complex matters, for example

I remember there being an astronomy professor who insisted for the entirety of his career that redshift is unrelated to distance and that high redshift quasars are actually things from local galaxies that are being ejected.

I realize that statement may not make much sense here, but it would be about the equivalent of an evolutionary biologist that insists that reptiles, amphibians, birds, and mammals all came from different planets

Every paper he every published was about nothing but "debunking" the commonly-held view on redshift - which is a critical piece of evidence for the big bang, so not a small topic

If you can't expect professors in the hard-sciences to believe in "normal" things, then... well...

he went to the grave insisting that the big bang was a completely false idea.

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Halton Christian "Chip" Arp (March 21, 1927 – December 28, 2013) was an American astronomer. He was known for his 1966 Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies, which (it was later theorized) catalogues many examples of interacting and merging galaxies, though Arp disputed the idea, claiming apparent associations were prime examples of ejections. Arp was also known as a critic of the Big Bang theory and for advocating a non-standard cosmology incorporating intrinsic redshift. == Biography == Arp was born on March 21, 1927, in New York City. He was married three times, has four daughters and five gr...

ok, having weird ideas is ok, I accept that, and it's kind of common. But it's still different from conspiracy theories, I guess. I think there's a pretty noticeable difference between someone who believes, say, that rolling your own crypto is better than using AES (because the NSA put backdoors in AES), and someone who believes that we have never been to the moon and it was all a movie

I might be wrong, but I feel there's something about conspiracy theorists that makes them incompatible with serious tech jobs (or anything where logic is involved). Of course it's still possible to find some cases, but in general such cases should be rare

5:56 PM

This idea of yours is weird :)

But no, I don't think that technical knowledge and conspiracy theories are mutually exclusive

Mainly because, again, jobs that require logic and tech don't make people more rational - rational just isn't a thing that our brains are actually capable of

That's almost like a variation on the idea that "highly educated people are less likely to believe in religion because religion is clearly dumb and smart people don't fall for it", which is definitely garbage

6:35 PM

I know some people on IT that believes that UFOs are bringing aliens to us and the gov is either run by them or afraid of them so the gov hides them from us