The DMZ

Terry Chia

15:02

@LucasKauffman From prior conversations in this room I think no.

Maybe it was just that one whisky though.

Jul 23 at 16:56, by Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag yeah, my missus described it somewhat less charitably as "cigarette ash and methylated spirits"

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman she's not a massive fan but has been known to drink it (heretically she likes lots of ice!)

Lucas Kauffman

@RоryMcCune I also like a lot of ice depending on the whisky

Rory Alsop

@Simon hahahahaha

Lucas Kauffman

@RоryMcCune nothing as nice as Jack Daniels sour with two ice cubes on a hot summer day :p

Terry Chia

Hmm, I have a surprisingly number of entries on the star wall today.

Lucas Kauffman

15:08

@TerryChia did your e-penis grow?

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Not really. I have an inflated sense of self-esteem though.

Lucas Kauffman

:p

@TerryChia you going to watch national day?

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Probably not. :P

Simon

@RoryAlsop It's not funny! I'm so old now.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia It was nice last year, although the 3D talking merlion was a bit over the top

but I enjoyed the military stuff

chinooks, F15, C130

Journeyman Geek

15:12

lol

Xander

@Simon I was 18 once. That was more than 18 years ago.

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek wby ?

Journeyman Geek

@LucasKauffman: I've actually been in a few of those parades

Watched one, was a drummer in a second one.

Simon

@Xander Dayum son, how are you still alive?

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek it's hard to get tickets apparantly

Journeyman Geek

15:13

nearly impossible

Lucas Kauffman

I was first thinking of heading up the marina bay sands, but it will probably be overcrowded or shut down

Journeyman Geek

I went to a preview cause the son of my mother's friend was in it

and went to 2 previews and the actual one cause yanno

Cheap labour and all that

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek you need to enter some sort of raffle no?

Journeyman Geek

ya

Xander

@Simon I'm not really old. I'm just "nicely seasoned."

Journeyman Geek

15:15

alas, I can't see the fireworks any more

the pinnacle is between me and most of the possible locations

(big public housing block(s). Designed to block as much of everyone's view as possible, I swear)

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek I'm lucky my stepmom has a condo up a hill

I can see everything from the terras

Journeyman Geek

@LucasKauffman: eh, they just build insanely big crap these days.

Lucas Kauffman

well everything happening in the air anyway

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, I can see the flag carrying heli and fighters when they go over sentosa and P.Brani ;p

Lucas Kauffman

I went to sentosa the other day

it's fun albeit a bit artifical

same with gardens by the bay

still fun though

and nice

@JourneymanGeek went to visit the fortress there, also saw some wild monkeys

really love the place though, going to try and find a job here in a year or 2 - 3

Journeyman Geek

15:22

XD

kalina

@AJHenderson I still hadn't been born in '91

Journeyman Geek

If you want natural, you'd probably want to hit the old railway line

Kisunminttu

@kalina tmi

Journeyman Geek

also bukit timah nature reserve, when it reopens. Or... there's a few other places, Sungai buloh IIRC

kalina

@Kisunminttu how is it?

Lucas Kauffman

15:23

@JourneymanGeek yea went to sungai buloh a few times already

@JourneymanGeek mcrichey is also nice

Journeyman Geek

I haven't gone there since high school ;p

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek still always bring some DEET against the mossis

Journeyman Geek

@LucasKauffman: naturally.

(or military issue anti mosquito gunk.)

Kisunminttu

@kalina THEY might find out who you are if you spread too much information...

Lucas Kauffman

saw a massive monitor there the other day

Journeyman Geek

15:25

I need to keep a tube of the stuff around, and it expires so...

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek DEET is military mosquito gunk :p I'm using a 30% solution

Simon

@Kisunminttu And that is exactly what most of us are dedicating our life to.

Terry Chia

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Q: How do I deal with my loud wife?

I have worked in positions where operational security is paramount, for more than a decade. I understand this question may offend some of the more politically correct readers, and that it may be deleted. If truth gets a relevant question deleted, then we have more in security to worry about tha...

physical

Wat.

Journeyman Geek

@LucasKauffman: hockgiftshop.com/…

this stuff specifically

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek It's probably DEET as well

Journeyman Geek

15:27

yeah

its nasty

Lucas Kauffman

it was created by the US Army as insect repelant

Kisunminttu

Lucas Kauffman

it's toxic, can hurt your skin

Journeyman Geek

We used to use it to remove boot polish from the floor.

kalina

@Kisunminttu psh, there were plenty of people born after 1991

Journeyman Geek

15:27

(Until we worked out toothpaste worked better)

kalina

the number is growing all of the time

Simon

@Kisunminttu The only relevant thing I can reply to that is: #yolo

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek yea

@JourneymanGeek melts plastic as well

kalina

I have been known to melt plastic

Journeyman Geek

never really tried that ;p

@kalina: your pyromania is your own business. ;p

kalina

15:29

all of my *manias are my own business.

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek I'm also using it against ants

@JourneymanGeek we live on the 8th floor on top of a hill and we still get infested by the critters

Journeyman Geek

@LucasKauffman: ugh, ants

though, we had termites once as well

on the 25th floor

Lucas Kauffman

termites?

wtf

Journeyman Geek

termites.

they came in through the central TV antenna.,

Simon

@JourneymanGeek Did the building collapse?

Journeyman Geek

15:32

naw

We don't generally build out of wood.

and termites generally go for soft wood

Lucas Kauffman

@Simon everything is concrete

@JourneymanGeek I also still understand why there is a bombshelter in every condo

Simon

Boring.

Terry Chia

@JourneymanGeek soft wood. hehe.

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FEichinger

1 hour ago, by Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Star whore.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia pot and kettle

Journeyman Geek

15:35

@LucasKauffman: thats a newer thing

we don't have them

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek still what's the purpose :p?

Journeyman Geek

@LucasKauffman: same reason we have a large reservist force

"In case we get attacked"

Not entirely sure by whom

(course If I knew, I wouldn't be at liberty to say)

also, many of our underground train stations are fallout shelters

kalina

I have biological weapons on their way towards Singapore

they will turn everybody into chocolate so your entire population will melt in the sun!

bwahahahahaha

ahem

Journeyman Geek

/me blames the military industrial complex.

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek malaysia definetely

Terry Chia

15:38

@kalina Mmmmm chocolate.

Rоry McCune

@kalina Majin Buu?

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Did Buu actually turn people into chocolate? I thought he just ate them?

kalina

I don't watch dragon ball

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia turned them into candy IIRC then ate them

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek I was reading about gun ownership in SG, did you know you can get the death penalty for just discharging a weapon in public

Journeyman Geek

15:39

@LucasKauffman: actually, historically less likely

Lucas Kauffman

even as an accident

Journeyman Geek

they DID kick us out?

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Ahh. My memory is hazy on that one. Been a while since I read Dragonball.

Journeyman Geek

@LucasKauffman: yeah

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek I thought it was you became independant from them?

Rоry McCune

15:40

►

Journeyman Geek

naw

they kicked us out

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek bunch of idiots

Journeyman Geek

Lee Kuan Yew was all wheepy.

@LucasKauffman: not exactly

Lucas Kauffman

temasek is probably the richest holding in the world

Journeyman Geek

It all came down to demographics

Terry Chia

15:40

Why am I back in history class?

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek explain

Journeyman Geek

we weren't that rich then, and basically singapore and penang were chinese majority

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek penang? where is that

Journeyman Geek

PAP was agitating for a 'Malaysian Malaysia', while malaysia wanted slightly preferencial treatment for malays

@LucasKauffman: big island in the straits of malacca

so.. we got 'asked' to leave

we're a bit like argumentitive siblings, we're unlikely to actually do more than squabble

Indonesia used to be a threat (Hell, they bombed us)

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek well you're doing better now and malaysia is contributing the cheap labor

@JourneymanGeek indonesia?

Journeyman Geek

15:44

@LucasKauffman: yeah, they wanted to merge malaya + singapore + indonesia + the phillippines into one megastate.

and were willing to attack military targets with commandos to do it

HOWEVER the commandos they sent here couldn't get into a military base, and blew up a bank instead

Rory Alsop

wtf

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Q: How do I deal with my loud wife?

I have worked in positions where operational security is paramount, for more than a decade. I understand this question may offend some of the more politically correct readers, and that it may be deleted. If truth gets a relevant question deleted, then we have more in security to worry about tha...

physical

Journeyman Geek

MacDonald House

The MacDonald House (Chinese: 麦唐纳大厦) is a historic building in Singapore, and is located at Orchard Road in the Museum Planning Area, within the Central Area, Singapore's central business district. Initially built for a bank, it continues to function as a banking hall (albeit for a different bank) today, although it is more well known to be the site of a bombing attack in 1965 at the height of Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation. == History == The MacDonald House, located a short distance from the Istana, is the last remaining office building in facing brick in the central area. The building was built...

Terry Chia

20 mins ago, by Terry Chia

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Q: How do I deal with my loud wife?

I have worked in positions where operational security is paramount, for more than a decade. I understand this question may offend some of the more politically correct readers, and that it may be deleted. If truth gets a relevant question deleted, then we have more in security to worry about tha...

physical

Rory Alsop

ahhhhh

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek fail

Journeyman Geek

15:46

(last time we were invaded was the japanese. Last time we had to deal with armed foreigners...)

Simon

Who the fuck upvoted that?

Journeyman Geek

bunch of pirates/robbers got lost. The had one rusty gun with 3 bullets... and landed on... Pulau Tekong. Basically its an island that's one big military base.

IIRC 3 guys got hunted down by... 2 batallions.

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia I was working - not trawling back through the transcript :-)

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Hire an intern to do your modding duties for you. ;)

Journeyman Geek

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulau_Tekong#Armed_robbers_incident this was HILLARIOUS.

Xander

15:48

@kalina Ha ha "vote down man."

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek well that's what I call a bad day

Journeyman Geek

@LucasKauffman: could be worse.

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek it's the same when those somali pirates tried to enter and steal a french navy fregat

Journeyman Geek

(also, their boat either sank or sprang a leak)

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia @RoryAlsop that would be epic "Welcome to the risk team here at $company. Your day-to-day duties will include Sec.SE moderation including question closing and kicking @simon from the chat room"

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Journeyman Geek

15:49

@LucasKauffman: I'm not sure who had it worse

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia If there wasn't such a good answer inside the bad wording this horse guy has written, I'd want to close this

Journeyman Geek

Gurkas are utter badass.

Lucas Kauffman

►

Journeyman Geek

ugh. Its midnight.

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop They question can be reworked I agree.

@schroeder made a good edit.

Journeyman Geek

15:50

I need to sleep, since my dog will wake me up at exactly 7am.

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek I know a few guys in the Brittish army including instructors, they all agree that the gurkas are bad ass mofos

@JourneymanGeek that's handy

Xander

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cc @JourneymanGeek

Lucas Kauffman

gurkas have one thing in common with special forces, all they care about is completing their task regardless if it costs them their lives.

Adnan

@RoryAlsop Kill her.

kalina

@Xander I know, what a tard

16 more comments?!

Rоry McCune

15:54

@RoryAlsop hey that question got closed while I was answering :(

Simon

Sounds like this guy is having a horrible relationship. Learn to communicate, ffs.

kalina

@RoryAlsop you are going to delete my comments?

my comments were not only epic but also answered the question

you're just sexist

or kalinaist

or ageist

or istist

I hope you vote yes and turn scotland into the next greece

ooh, that was completely wrong

I meant to say yes

Simon

I wanna punch that guy so bad.

kalina

@RoryAlsop if you're going to delete everything except my second comment can you remove the "I didn't downvote" stuff so that it reads like somebody didn't just butcher the comments

I mean seriously

how half hearted can you be

Rory Alsop

@kalina - I deleted as many comments as I could

kalina

15:59

well edit mine

Rory Alsop

@Simon I would be delighted :-)

ok @kalina

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop I missed all the drama :(

kalina

cool, totally bent to my will

now kick @Simon

Lucas Kauffman

added one last comment though

Rory Alsop

@kalina you are not hypnotoad

(are you?)

kalina

16:01

I have never denied being hypnotoad

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop nooo she's Majin Buu

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune this means nothing to me

(oh Vienna)

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop you haven't watched enough Dragonball Z then :op

Rory Alsop

I have watched exactly none Dragonball Z

Rоry McCune

you can't beat a show that can make one fight last 5-10 episodes

@RoryAlsop to save time youtube.com/user/TeamFourStar/videos <-- DBZ abridged ... they're only up to episode 42 of that

Rory Alsop

16:03

Is it bad that I don't want to delete @Lucas' answer just yet

I have to go now - off for my Radio 4 interview :-)

can I be biased and delete it later

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop ooh hit the big time?!

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune I'll let you know when it is going to be transmitted. Bizarrely it is Metaltech, but the topic for discussion is the referendum....

Don't ask

Drink was involved

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop can we listen to the interview on a podcast?

Rory Alsop

probably

Lucas Kauffman

referendum?

Rory Alsop

16:05

scottish independence

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop nice!

Lucas Kauffman

about scottish independence?

aaah

Rory Alsop

later

Lucas Kauffman

good luck

@RoryAlsop go william walace on their asses

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman This is unlikely, I doubt Mr Alsop will be coming out in favour....

Simon

16:11

@RoryAlsop You can turn comments into chat posts?

Lucas Kauffman

@Simon yea, after a while, after a few comments there's an option in the comment section

Simon

kewl

Thomas Pornin

16:23

Surprise guest for the closing keynote of BSidesLV was John McAfee.

He told that press article paint him as a "paranoid maniac"

They are wrong; he is a raving paranoid maniac.

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Simon

I'm a motherfuckin' raver with the Hardstyle flavor

Xander

@ThomasPornin He also told everybody that he like[ed/s] to roll his pot in $100 bills. I don't think that helped him in his quest to disclaim his reputation as a whack-a-doodle.

Nor did the massive personal security contingent he had on had do anything to downplay his paranoia.

Thomas Pornin

@Xander Well, yesterday he began his talk by congratulating Anonymous for their defence of the Gaza people. He then proceeded to assert that privacy is the key to freedom, because with privacy you can "smoke weed" in your home without getting arrested.

Apparently that's the extent of what "freedom" means (for him).

Xander

@ThomasPornin Ha ha ha. Did you see it in person? If you did, I'm jealous. It sounds like it was great entertainment.

Thomas Pornin

@Xander At about 30m distance.

Xander

16:30

@ThomasPornin Nice. I followed from a Twitterish distance.

Thomas Pornin

Indeed, entertaining. It was like going to the zoo, and you didn't even have to throw peanuts at him to keep him going.

Simon

I bet he mentioned #yolo in his presentation.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Quite the opposite; he repeatedly mentioned that he survived three assassination attempts, meaning that he lives at least four times.

Simon

What an odd person.

Thomas Pornin

Honestly, if I were to choose a country as my personal nemesis, I would choose something classier than Belize..

Simon

16:33

Did people laugh when he said the smoking weed thing?

Or nobody could figure out where the hell that came from.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon There was free beer; some people were laughing constantly.

Simon

Haha.

Lucas Kauffman

@Xander you mean THIS didn't convince you:

►

Thomas Pornin

On an unrelated note, it appears that Air Canada is incapable of flying a plane with less than 2 hours delay -- except the one you were trying to connect to. It is the third flight in a row they do that.

And Americans... they are madmen.

Although this might be specific to Las Vegas.

And why must Firefox read my entire harddisk every 30 seconds ?

Xander

@LucasKauffman No no, I was convinced long before that came out. When he was still in Belize.

Simon

16:43

@ThomasPornin It's trying to make you switch to Chrome.

kalina

noooo

the question was deleted

my life

in ruins

Simon

If a question deletion has shattered your life, you are a weak person.

kalina

...

oh right, no, I'm doing something else already

Simon

It probably involves eating sweets.

kalina

it doesn't actually

Xander

16:51

@kalina You can always recontribute to the chat. chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/16286/…

Simon

OH, he actually joined the room.

Xander

He hasn't gone away yet, and he's still delightfully belligerent.

kalina

Simon star my message

in the other chat

Simon

Holy motherfucking shit.

Xander

Which, is probably why his wife doesn't respect him or his concerns in the first place.

Simon

16:52

@Xander "I have more experience than you"

How did you not murder this guy already?

Xander

@Simon Because that sort of thing doesn't get me upset?

Although I'm happy to offer my opinions at length, I do not, unlike some, become particularly concerned when someone is wrong on the Internet.

Simon

I would have thought that it's because you're a donut but fair enough.

kalina

@Xander you don't care when somebody is WRONG ON THE INTERNET?!

Simon

@HackToHell I bet you don't even live in Mordor for real.

HackToHell

@Simon I do.

Simon

17:02

@HackToHell Proof?

HackToHell

Can't you see mortal?

The Eye of Sauron is upon you!

Simon

I still haven't had weird visions of the Eye.

I knew you were lying.

HackToHell

or you are a puny mortal.

Simon

I'd rather be a puny mortal than a donut.

HackToHell

Good.

Xander

17:07

@kalina It can lead to no good outcome for me. So no, I do not.

Not that I won't try and correct them, but if they insist on being wrong, I'm happy to wash my hands of the affair without a second thought.

Simon

@Xander I'd be curious to know where he's from though, to see if it's a cultural thing.

Xander

I have to admit, Mr. Belligent Horesy Fellow is quite entertaining, for not having said anything yet that isn't obvious trolling.

@Simon Don't ask him. He'll get mad at you for trying to violate his OpSec.

Simon

@Xander Oh yeah don't worry, I didn't plan to ask.

Xander

It's totally classified.

Simon

Totally.

I bet he's cheating on his wife and he's afraid that the person she's talking to will connect the dots.

kalina

17:12

oh, he just left channel after my latest comment

I wonder if those dots are connected

Simon

Connect all the dots.

kalina

do you have freckles?

then I can connect all the dots

Simon

LOL

I actually do, fml.

kalina

draws all over @Simon's face

Simon

The ones on my face pretty much faded though. My arms are still covered.

FEichinger

17:14

in Discussion between Rory Alsop and horse hair, 3 mins ago, by kalina

Fundamentally, you know $person cannot be trusted, yet you tell $person $information - you're the weak link, not her.

Simon

Hence why I want MOAR tattoos, to get rid of 'em.

FEichinger

Who's been silently learning Perl?

(Since I don't think even you would commit such a serious offence as using PHP.)

Simon

@FEichinger I'm surprised that you're not seeing PHP variables.

lawl

kalina

@FEichinger who said I don't already know perl?

that's right, nobody says that

Xander

Ok, now I'm being trolled by Horsey faced fellow and @kalina

kalina

17:17

I don't troll

FEichinger

@kalina I say that. Mostly because I can't picture you using Perl.

kalina

@FEichinger you can't picture me doing many things, just because you lack the imagination doesn't mean I do.

FEichinger

That is true.

Xander

Trolling troll is back for more trolls.

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Q: My significant other gives away my pentest plans

My significant other, who I confide in my latest security gigs (thanks, CISSP!), tends to tell his/her/its friends about my latest gigs. I think this may be bad practice, as it may alert (indirectly) them about my involvement in their organization, as a (supposedly secret) security tester. How ...

physical

FEichinger

> Also why is opsec not a tag?

Oh for heaven's sake ...

Simon

17:22

I want him to never use that term again.

I'm getting closer to 500 helpful flags because of him, he can keep going.

David Freitag

hahahahah

"Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead." => The conclusion is obvious. — CodesInChaos 56 secs ago

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Simon

That guy is such a lunatic, he might actually think about it.

David Freitag

Wow, this is surprisingly tasty. Chicken salad on a spinach wrap.

Gilles

@RоryMcCune you have 4 hours after closing to post it

Rоry McCune

@Gilles ah that's interesting to know, so when it says "no more answers will be accepted" there should be a * to say "well unless you get 'em in quick.."

Gilles

17:35

@RоryMcCune h4ckerz only!

Rоry McCune

@Gilles nice

Gilles

if you still have the page loaded all you need to do is reenable the “Post your Answer” button

Xander

@RоryMcCune Post it in the chat room! I want to see what you were going to say.

FEichinger

@Gilles lol, nice.

Rоry McCune

@Xander TBH you already pretty much nailed it. OP has a relationship problem. He either stops telling his partners things, persuades them to be more discreet or moves to a role where it's not important. I put more words but that seems the essence of it to me

Thomas Pornin

17:53

@RоryMcCune Or maybe the whole talky-wife situation is a completely fictional delusion and he is just trying to get some attention.

Xander

@ThomasPornin That indeed is a distinctly viable possibility.

Simon

19:12

Someone should go get the 450 rep bounty.

tylerl

19:43

Finally got an offer from Google. So that's nice.

Nick

@tylerl ooooooooh

Rоry McCune

@tylerl \o/ yay!

Xander

@tylerl Congrats!

tylerl

Thanks!

Simon

@tylerl Congrats you donut.

tylerl

19:51

@Simon donut?

Gilles

@tylerl DMZ meme of the week

David Freitag

@Simon I saw some guy with an older porsche and his license plate said "donut"

Simon

@DavidFreitag I wanna marry that guy.

AviD

bloody hell, you girls talk a lot!!

now I have no idea if I missed anything, in that 750+ missed comments

Xander

@AviD Pish posh. We even got a second chat room going for awhile there.

David Freitag

19:56

@Simon His hair piece flapped in the wind when he put the beans to it

Simon

@DavidFreitag Amazing.

Xander

@AviD Oh, you did. You missed lots.

Simon

^ he's not even kidding

AviD

excerpts.

Xander

@AviD There was a troll, a first hand report on John McAfee, and something about Gurkhas.

Simon

19:59

And donuts. A lot of donuts.

AviD

ooo a troooolll.

nope, dont care about that.

wait, was the troll McAfee?

actually that is worth reading.

I'll trawl the transcript later

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