The DMZ

deed02392

12:00

sup guise

Nick

osnews.com/story/27855/_iOS_About_diagnostic_capabilities_

Apples "Diagnostic capabilities"

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune definitely. And ideally, evil Willow...

@TerryChia that is possible - I dunno. I sort of watched it last week.

Terry Chia

@Nick That's not news and it's totally stupid.

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune I always tell folks I have 3 kids. One of each.

Nick

@TerryChia but still

Terry Chia

12:07

@Nick Seriously, if I physically own your device and can pair it with my system you are fucked no matter what.

The guy is making a mountain out of nothing.

Nick

I dont use apple anyway

Rory Alsop

@Nick :-)

Nick

@RoryAlsop (:

Terry Chia

@Nick And what has that got to do with that particular story?

Rory Alsop

disclaimer - I'm biased against apple products. Not for security reasons, I just dislike their approach to most aspects of user interface and configurability

Nick

12:09

@RoryAlsop same and for some other reasons

I mostly dislike them because of their price actually I got a linux PC that is 200 times more powerful than an apple PC at almost the same price

Terry Chia

@Nick That's a huge exaggeration. Find me a PC of comparable price that's 200x more powerful than an Apple product.

AviD

@RoryAlsop haha, excellent.

Nick

@TerryChia it is an exaggeration but not huge

AviD

@TerryChia what he means to say is, it only affects pretentious hipsters - so who cares?

Nick

@TerryChia generally apple PCs lack GPU power

AviD

12:13

@Nick right, and IE is horribly insecure and clunky. Welcome to 2002.

Terry Chia

@AviD I know you are being your usual "I don't scroll back" self, but that has nothing to do with the point I'm making.

Lucas Kauffman

@Nick seriously have you looked at the Mac Pro :p

Terry Chia

I dislike people exploiting the paranoia over NSA to make a name for themselves.

AviD

@TerryChia not at all.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia Edward Snowden?

AviD

12:15

@LucasKauffman haha, nice.

Nick

@LucasKauffman a friend of mine was trying to convince me to buy one when I told him I was looking for parts for a linux PC(which I did buy btw) ... I simply looked at the price and closed the page as fast as I could

Terry Chia

That particular "backdoor' is the equivalent of saying I can dump memory if I have root on a Linux box. Duh.

Rory Alsop

@AviD Well, Eilin is more rough and tumble than Hamish, and will do everything she can to beat him.

Terry Chia

@Nick Ignoring the fact of course that your Linux PC isn't an all in one. That might not matter to you but saying that it's an equal product is just stupid.

AviD

@TerryChia here we go, hipster apple fanbois, attack!

;-)

Lucas Kauffman

12:19

@Nick It's insanely expensive, until you notice how big it is and what parts are in there

@Nick the engineering of that piece of kit is just amazing

Terry Chia

@AviD Seriously, I respect that their products might not be for some people, but the huge exaggeration when it comes to "Apple products are expensive" annoys the fuck out of me.

Lucas Kauffman

now I can stalk terry by DMZ, Gmail and phone, isn't that amazing?

@TerryChia tbf, they are expensive, but that doesn't take away you get a good bang for your buck

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Ok, expensive relative to equal products.

Lucas Kauffman

I haven't seen any similar hardware that's so well integrated, well designed and works perfectly as with Apple

@TerryChia yes but the equal product often aren't equal

if you can have a MBP with 9 hours of battery it would take you a similar Thinkpad with a travel battery

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman And of course Thinkpads aren't cheap as well.

Lucas Kauffman

12:23

exactly

they are my favorite brand of laptops though, as well as Dell XPS series

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Yeah the XPS series is really neat.

The SP3 is amazing engineering as well, although I dislike the form factor.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia the one thing I currently dispise with apple is the fact it's not easy to replace parts, which was the case with the 2012 models

soldering RAM dimms is just vendor lock in

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Nah, it's tradeoffs when it comes to size.

AviD

@TerryChia you're still paying a premium even considering the hardware, but its just not insanely so (anymore)

Terry Chia

@AviD That I agree.

AviD

12:27

and when you factor in the crappy OS, well.... ;-)

Terry Chia

@AviD You aren't stuck with OS X if you dislike it though.

Onto more interesting infosec news, looks like someone claimed the 10k price for the Tesla hacking competition at Syscan 360.

Scott Pack

@TerryChia @AviD It was about 6 years ago that I started to lose respect for it.

AviD

@ScottPack just when I got mine!! :-O

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman Yeah, that one really annoys me. These Retina Pros are tight but they could afford the space of RAM sockets.

AviD

actually no, I got mine 8 years ago.

Scott Pack

12:32

@AviD That's the first time I heard of it.

@AviD When I realized I could get it with 3 years experience.

Rоry McCune

@AviD n00b

@AviD still a n00b

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune #simon?

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia for something 8 years ago Simon would only be able to call someone a n00b if they were referring to riding a bike :op

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Nono, the whole calling people a "n00b" thing is very #simon.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia it seemed an appropiate Epithet, given @AviD has only been a CISSP for 8 years

Terry Chia

12:41

@RоryMcCune No, that should be what you call people who still are CISSP.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia unfortunately many of us need to keep the cert. 'cause we're consultants...

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Ah right, @AviD is now with the Apple-loving crowd.

AviD

@RоryMcCune actually 6, I stopped 2 years ago :)

@TerryChia no no no!

actually yes, I already got mocked for developing on windows.... :S

Rоry McCune

@AviD don't lie you're breathlessly awaiting your new corporate iDevices :op

Terry Chia

@AviD You are working in a Silicon Valley startup. QED.

AviD

12:43

@TerryChia nuh uh! Its based in Delaware!

Nick

I am considering starting a PHP project... just because I dont know what else to use for the backend

AviD

and the office is in Seattle! So there!

Rоry McCune

@Nick rails :)

Terry Chia

@Nick Anything else?

AviD

@Nick ANYTHING else.

you'd be better off serving responses manually.

Nick

12:45

@AviD hahaha

Terry Chia

@AviD Hmm, use Mechanical Turk? ;)

Nick

@RоryMcCune never looked at rails ... ill check i tout

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune No no no no no. You are supposed to be recommending a Kotlin-based web framework.

Ruby? That's so 2008.

Rоry McCune

@Nick codeschool.com/paths/ruby has two good free courses

@TerryChia .. it's true I'm old-school like that

AviD

ruby is oldschool, whatever is the world coming to.

Terry Chia

12:47

@AviD Kotlin, Ceylon?

Rоry McCune

@Nick @TerryChia is right really you should be looking at kotlin, ceylon, go or rust, anything else isn't hipster enough. I'd say Node.JS but that's soo 2011

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Go is actually so 2013.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia damn I'm slow

Nick

@RоryMcCune I have never heared any of these names,,, except node.JS

Terry Chia

@Nick That's means you aren't hipster enough. Buck up man! Even a Rory knows those terms!

Rоry McCune

12:48

@Nick yeah if you want funny, subscribe to book notifications from Manning and PragPub and count the number of technologies you have no idea what they are

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Hmm, I wonder which came first. Rails or Django.

Wikepedia says Django is earlier by 5 months. Interesting.

I always thought Django was an older framework.

Oh, I asked this yesterday but no one responded. Anyone looked at FIDO yet?

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia I guess the whole MVC thing started to take off in a couple of places around the same time. Probably a reaction to the whole XML Java web apps nonsense...

@TerryChia I presume you're not talking about FIDOnet , but something new and hipstery?

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune The authentication scheme.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia never heard of it :)

Terry Chia

It looks pretty interesting actually, there was a talk about it at the OWASP meet 2 days ago.

@RоryMcCune That's surprising. Many big names behind it. fidoalliance.org

Rоry McCune

13:04

@TerryChia huh, interesting. Biometric-based tho....

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Oh no, the biometric thing looks completely optional.

As I understand it, it's a protocol for communicating between a client device and authentication server using ECDSA as part of a challenge response protocol.

The client device is free to implement whatever controls it wants to, including biometric or PINs or whatever.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia ah I was seeing the history where it came out of biometric companies and some refs to biometrics in the graphs, so that's more an example rather than a blueprint I guess.

Terry Chia

13:20

@RоryMcCune Indeed.

The interesting thing is that the devices will apparently cost a couple of dollars each.

Scott Pack

@RоryMcCune Yeah, now that I'm in vendorland I'm actually seeing more of a value in it. However we feel having that on my letterhead for client communications can't hurt.

@Nick Perl.

Terry Chia

@ScottPack That's like... the complete opposite of hipster dude.

Scott Pack

13:35

Terry Chia

@ScottPack I'm not sure @Nick has a neckbeard.

Scott Pack

I won't either as soon as this gorram sunburn goes away.

Rоry McCune

@ScottPack schoolboy error, going outside when the suns out :op all techies should know that that's the best time for coding

Scott Pack

@RоryMcCune I was Shanghaied to an airshow.

Rоry McCune

@ScottPack ahh, well cool planes may be an acceptable trade-off..

Scott Pack

13:39

It was pretty neat. They were all WW2 era planes. Hell, there were demo camps set up from different county's armies with guys in uniform to explain stuff.

Thomas Pornin

@ScottPack That cat has been rated to be the "#1 most influential cat" in the world.

Scott Pack

@ThomasPornin I can believe it.

Thomas Pornin

So it says there: friskies50.com

Choupette Lagerfeld is only #42.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack nice! My mate Kat (the 747 pilot) has been volunteering at the Royal International Air Tattoo at Fairford for the past few years. She loves the demo stuff

hopefully going to wangle getting my son along there next year as a volunteer with her

ooh - pilots know techy stuff too:

wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2014/01/test/sound-barrier

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop It was a lot of fun. There were some fun demos done using a pair of kit planes that are 1/3 models of the Mustang.

Rory Alsop

13:43

@ScottPack cool

Scott Pack

We did get to poke around quite a lot in a B-25. Katie's grandfather was a radio/waist gunner on one of those. Pretty neat.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack They are so huge, and yet so cramped inside

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop No kidding. It was really the belly crawl over the bomb bay that really threw me.

I honestly expected it to be a little bigger.

Adnan

14:44

Why is manually modifying DOCX documents so freaking difficult!

You'd expect a bunch of zipped XMLs to be easily modifiable

Rоry McCune

@Adnan docx programmatic manipulation is an ABSOLUTE nightmare

there are some pay for libraries in the Java world IIRC but otherwise it's write your own and it's painful

Adnan

@RоryMcCune I have an extremely important file (a report due tomorrow), and after the last 'Save' it got corrupted. Going back with SVN means losing 2 days worth of writing and styling.

I can extract the files and open every single one of them

Rоry McCune

@Adnan ergh, that can be painful.

Adnan

Reading the Standard ECMA-376 isn't helping so far

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune That's why I'm pleasantly surprised how well pandoc does actually.

Adnan

14:49

If I can't find the problem in a few hours, I'll be rewriting

@TerryChia Does it have fixing/repairing features?

Terry Chia

@Adnan Nope. Just generating.

Rоry McCune

@Adnan have you tried words open and repair function?

Terry Chia

Nothing can fix a broken docx file properly in my experience.

Adnan

@RоryMcCune Tried so many functions and tools

Nothing is working

@TerryChia I'm having similar experience. I guess you're right

Rоry McCune

:(

Terry Chia

14:52

The world will be a better place if PDF is the one true format.

Adnan

WOOOHOOOO!

Thanks, @Terry

Terry Chia

@Adnan Huh? For what?

I didn't think I said anything helpful.

Adnan

I've just used pandoc to convert from docx to odt.

Of course, it kept failing

Terry Chia

0

Q: Open list of adult websites for child internet

Looking for any open and dynamic list(blacklist) of adult,dangerous,+18,sucide,drugs etc web resources to filter it in intranet for children security in internet

I don't think this person knows what DNSSEC is.

Adnan

But when I started debugging, I noticed it's failing at one particular line

in the content.xml file

I removed that line

Now it opens

Yaaaaay!

So, yeah. Thanks

Rоry McCune

14:56

\o/

Terry Chia

@Adnan Heh. That's an interesting fix.

Adnan

@TerryChia The line was a header for one of my sections. I lost it and it ruined the style for the rest of the document

I applied the Header 2 style again from inside Word

all good now

Terry Chia

Ahh. Sounds like the corruption was fairly contained. Lucky you.

Adnan

Indeed

Probably one of the best videos on the attitude regarding the matter

►

Nick

Anyone knows any temporary file hosting sites without registration?

I want to wget a file from my VPS

Terry Chia

15:12

@Nick Use SFTP?

Nick

@TerryChia not setup :p

I found tempsend.com which seems to work

Lucas Kauffman

15:23

I'm not an experienced rum drinker

but this is just insanely good: thewhiskyexchange.com/P-12021.aspx

Adnan

15:36

@LucasKauffman Very interesting description.

M'vy

15:57

hai hai

Iszi

Why am I even bothering with this guy?

HIM: I can't get to websites. I think I'm infected!
[Some back and forth with him listing systems, me suggesting some tests, him providing results.]
ME: Looks like a problem with your ISP try some more network tests - preferably from another computer.
HIM: I want to clear the infection first!

-1

Q: Unable to use internet due to suspected DNS malware

I downloaded a midi file on my Windows 8.1 laptop last night. Since then, whenever I open chrome, I get a standard 'Web Page Not Available" error for ALL the sites I try to visit. Firefox and Internet Explorer too wouldn't open ANY page. I am pretty sure that malwares are the cause as I've had s...

networking wireless-networking google-chrome dns malware

And FFS, will someone please fix the damn HTTPS OneBoxing?! I can understand having it broken for Wikipedia or other stuff - but this is for a frackin' StackExchange site!

s/"systems"/"symptoms"

Adnan

16:15

@Iszi Wow, you're very patient.

Iszi

@Adnan Some days.

With some people.

You are not one of those people.

Adnan

@Iszi Racist

Terry Chia

@Adnan It's not racist if he just dislikes you. ;)

Adnan

@TerryChia So, you're one of those people?

Terry Chia

@Adnan Yes. No. Maybe.

Adnan

16:21

Maaan.. I'm so happy my docx is working again

Iszi

And seriously, who's downloading MIDIs anymore?

Adnan

@Iszi I downloaded some about 2 months ago

I was converting some classic Nokia 3310 ringtones to MP3

Iszi

@Adnan See, that's a reason you're not one of those people.

Adnan

There's nothing better than some "Mozart 40" and "Kick" as ringtones

I should start using ringtones

Iszi

Grow up. Get MOD.

Adnan

16:26

@Iszi What's a 'MOD'?

Terry Chia

@Adnan @AviD @RoryAlsop.

Iszi

Module file

Module files (MOD music, tracker music) are a family of music file formats originating from the MOD file format on Amiga systems used in the late 1980s. Those who produce these files (using the software called trackers) and listen to them, form the worldwide MOD scene, a part of the Demoscene subculture. The mass interchange of "MOD music" or "tracker music" (music stored in module files created with trackers) evolves from early FIDO networks. Many websites host large numbers of these files, the most comprehensive of them being the Mod Archive. Nowadays most module files, including ones in zipped...

Lucas Kauffman

bunch of fannypack hipsters

Adnan

8 hours ago, by Adnan

@LucasKauffman aaaand he's drunk

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan I am not

just seen the grand budapest hotel

good movie actually

Adnan

16:37

@LucasKauffman After an extensive experience being around drunk people, about 80% of them say that when they are in fact drunk.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan PFFFFFFFFFFTRTAA I ama nowt dwuuuunk

;)

seriously I'm about to hit the sack

I've had a single beer

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Then why are your hands in my pants?! HA?!!

Tell me, strange lady, why?!

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan Now you're just being delirious

Adnan

@LucasKauffman I'm not

I'm very sobfer

@LucasKauffman Anyway, what beer?

Lucas Kauffman

a pale ale IPA

american one

it's not bad

not as good as the other one I had though

also brought a bottle of this to SG:

anywho

I'm off to bed boys

nn!

Rоry McCune

16:45

^ not a bad description

@Adnan "sobfer" way to make it sound really legit

Colin Cassidy

@RоryMcCune mmm my fav

David Freitag

17

Q: Caveman Duels (or: Me poke you with sharp stick)

Caveman mad. Other caveman take stick but stick was for me. Caveman fight! Description Caveman need sharp stick to stab other caveman. Other caveman also try to stab with sharp stick. Caveman can sharpen stick, poke with stick, or block poky sticks. If caveman poke other caveman with sharp...

king-of-the-hill

Rоry McCune

@ColinCassidy I think I need to work up to it a bit yet, fond more of the less peaty ones at the moment (balvenie currently heading up the pack)

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune Heh, seriously

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag yeah, my missus described it somewhat less charitably as "cigarette ash and methylated spirits"

David Freitag

16:56

@RоryMcCune Heh

FEichinger

@RоryMcCune Pretty much spot-on, yes.

David Freitag

The first time I tried it all I could think of was liquid smoke

teespring.com/HighVoltageMonth2014

Very cool Tesla T-Shirt ^

Adnan

@RоryMcCune Best distillery tour in Islay.

11

Q: What causes morning wood?

Sometimes men wake up with an erection in the morning. Why does this happen?

human-biology sex

Learned something new

Hehehehe

That sound's great... How do I permanently shutoff this norepinephrine?? :-D — Thihara 5 hours ago

David Freitag

17:18

@Adnan Oh god why

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Oh! I tried some Laphroaig last week. It was a just a tad too much earth for me but all in all good. I really liked that it tasted more earthy rather than peaty.

@DavidFreitag If you want liquid smoke try this. It tasted exactly like a well cured campfire.

beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/263/727

David Freitag

@ScottPack It's not exactly what I wanted, it's just the first thing that came to mind.

Adnan

18:34

@ScottPack Nope. Tried it, not that smoky.

Iszi

18:51

@Adnan Y'know, I'm quite amused by what that answer implies.

@Remi.b Wait... so, potty training (for boys) is effectively meant to teach them to get boners in their sleep? — Iszi 42 secs ago

Rory Alsop

19:55

@ScottPack Excellent!

Iszi

@TildalWave Here's one for you.

0

Q: Do space agencies take measures to prevent spent upper stages from becoming space junk?

I've been playing a lot of Kerbal Space Program lately. I've launched quite a few "half-failed" missions where my craft will get to where it's going, or very close to it, only for me to realize that it doesn't have enough power to get back. Most of these missions are now roughly analogous to the...

debris

[grumbles about HTTPS OneBox again]

Stack Exchange

Blog - Stack Exchange: Please welcome jmac, Community Manager of the Rising Sun

Shog9 on July 23, 2014

As Stack Exchange continues to expand to serve new audiences, we’re constantly on the lookout for folks who can take the principles and practices we all hold dear and communicate them effectively to the folks who would otherwise find them strange and difficult. I’m happy to announce we’ve found another of these rare specimens in the form of Joshua Maciel:

Josh joins us remotely from beautiful Kansai Japan, where youthful ignorance brought him for a two-year stay (maximum!) to teach English. Eleven years later he still hasn’t left, having found gainful employment doing internat …

TildalWave

20:10

@Iszi nice one

Iszi

@TildalWave Thanks. I wouldn't be surprised if KSP ends up being the source of a few more like that.

TildalWave

Source isn't relevant, it's what it teaches you or makes you realize. I've actually been in position before to defend knowledge learned in KSP when one answerer was challenged (yet he was absolutely correct)

Iszi

20:25

@TildalWave Yeah, the physics in there aren't quite totally accurate.

TildalWave

@Iszi they're not but it does demonstrate quite many real world problems and techniques nonetheless

and I know that by not ever playing it (yet)

Iszi

Thinking more about the "upper stage space junk" problem: It occurs to me that it would be particularly hard to make sure that the junk gets captured (e.g.: when on Earth-exit trajectories) without your whole craft actually being on a sub-orbital trajectory at the time of ejection. Then, we're back to fuel costs again before long.

@TildalWave Went to check Steam for you, and accidentally found this at steam.com:

TildalWave

@Iszi what the?

Iszi

@TildalWave Steam's site is steampowered.com

Looks like the sale ended. Earlier this week, you could have gotten KSP for about $17. Now it's back to its regular price, around $27.

TildalWave

@Iszi I know, but that text ... former home, not for sale,... why would anyone sit on a domain that's not used when they COULD sell it for good bucks?

Iszi

20:34

@TildalWave Dunno, especially considering it could be really good bucks from a company like Valve.

TildalWave

@Iszi I bought it already long ago. Didn't get any DLC (if there are any) or played it because of ... time. I will soon enough ;)

Iszi

@TildalWave AFAIK, there isn't any "DLC". There's plenty of community mods.

I recommend MechJeb for sure.

ScanSat is good also.

Haven't gotten around to toying with many others.

TildalWave

Yeah, didn't really check. Last game I checked was watching a few videos on YouTube for Elite: Dangerous. And that's this year about all I did that involves gaming.

Iszi

The latest updates brought some big stuff. Asteroid redirect scenarios co-developed with NASA. Missions and currency for Career Mode.

The way they've done the Career Mode missions is interesting sometimes. Essentially, jobs get posted to a board and you can accept them if you like. They pay in money (used to buy parts/fuel), reputation (determines what kind and how many missions are available to you), and sometimes science (usually gathered by space exploration - used to gain access to more technology).

TildalWave

BTW there's 2 launches tonight, one in about an hour (Soyuz to ISS from Kazakhstan) and one some 15 minutes later (ULA Delta IV from CC)

Iszi

20:40

What makes things interesting about it is that many of the missions are of the type "Test [component] in [conditions]".

@TildalWave I wouldn't count on the CCAFS launch. 30% favorable weather last I checked.

And it's been nasty around here in the afternoons/evenings lately.

TildalWave

@Iszi Ah interesting, will keep an eye out for updates

> Weather has improved to 60 percent chance of favorable conditions for tonight's launch window. All conditions remain GO at the current time.

Iszi

So, about the component test missions: They usually only care that you activate the part under the given conditions - not that it's fueled when it turns on, or that it does anything in particular. You can usually find a few missions where the condition is "landed on Kerbin". This typically results in me slapping the required components for multiple missions onto one little command module and just firing them off at the launch pad.

The configurations I end up with are often... quite unorthodox, to say the least.

@TildalWave Ah, well that's good news. Had some work that was going to be kind-of dependent upon how the launch went.

@TildalWave BTW: I thought the CCAFS launch wasn't until 19:03 U.S. Eastern? Window doesn't open until 18:00.

TildalWave

@Iszi dunno, they said the actual window won't be disclosed, so I scheduled according to FAA clearance

Iszi

@TildalWave SFN mission status page says 18:00-22:00.

FEichinger

@Iszi I recommend FAR.

Iszi

20:49

@TildalWave Also, update as of 16:03 says "three hours" to go.

@FEichinger Link? That name will probably generate more than a few false-positive search results.

FEichinger

@Iszi forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/…

TildalWave

@Iszi Yup, I scheduled event from 22:45 - 02:45 UTC. ULA said only that it's planned for 7:03 p.m. EST, so I started about 20 minutes before window opening and for next 4 hours which should be plenty.

Iszi

@FEichinger I think I'll pass. It'd probably break 80% or so of my rocket designs.

I made this for shits & giggles one night. Fire it up for a one-way trip to "anywhere but Kerbin".

FEichinger

@Iszi That's part of the fun!

Iszi

Too many of my designs end up falling back on "Tim Taylor engineering principles".

And it works quite a lot in the stock game.

FEichinger

21:00

Aaand this is the part where I stop saying anything before I start ranting about the developer horribleness.

David Freitag

@FEichinger Speaking of developer horribleness, have you played Firefall recently?

FEichinger

@DavidFreitag As a matter of fact, I have!

David Freitag

@FEichinger A ton has changed

FEichinger

Yeah. Not the first time that happened.

David Freitag

Yeah I know, I've been playing off and on since PB

Iszi

21:02

@FEichinger What's that? Despite its limitations, I'd say they've done quite a few great things with the game so far.

FEichinger

I'm a bit disappointed by the changes in Battleframes since the last version, though. I liked the micromanagement.

@Iszi There's a lot of really awful stuff going on behind the scenes. The stuff I got to know while I was a forums moderator was truly disgusting.

David Freitag

That system was way too expensive

Iszi

@FEichinger Oh. Shame.

FEichinger

@DavidFreitag Sure, but they oversimplified things now.

David Freitag

I love that I can make battleframe gear and weapons

@FEichinger Oh yeah totally.

FEichinger

21:04

And the battleframe tiers/advanced battleframes seem a bit too cash-grabby to me.

David Freitag

FEichinger

I like what they've done with missions, though. And the progress on PvE and environments since they canned eSports is really impressive.

David Freitag

@FEichinger Word on the grapevine is they are trying eSports again

FEichinger

@Iszi Suffice to say, when they dropped me, I was not exactly unhappy to be let go.

@DavidFreitag I doubt they're going to make the same mistake again. They might still push for eSports, but they're probably not going to sacrifice the rest of the game for it.

David Freitag

@FEichinger They realized making it a mainstay was a bad idea. Instead it's going to be added back with organized PvP quietly

Once they add more content

FEichinger

21:08

It's a damn shame they're yet another game that planned seamless PvE/PvP transition, and then ended up horribly butchering that.

David Freitag

They planned seamless PvE/PvP? How were they going to manage that? Or do you mean the whole battleground thing

FEichinger

And also yet another game that started off saying they'd stick to horizontal progression only ... and then went with full-blown vertical progression.

David Freitag

What, like more frames instead of more powerful frames?

Warframe pretty much succeeded in being horizontal progression. They did, however, fail in the whole being fun area.

FEichinger

The plan was to keep everyone balanced to about the same level. Skill-based combat, and some stat changes that could be tailored to your personal playstyle without affecting overall balance.

David Freitag

Oh yeah that went out the door when it was still private beta

FEichinger

21:12

Well, yeah. It didn't really work with PvE, of course. PvE became grindy and boring.

David Freitag

Not even grindy, just more of the same for hours and hours and hours....

FEichinger

Although, I dare say that that may have something to do with the lack of a mission system during the PB.

David Freitag

Nah it was lack of overall content. After this most recent release they added a ton more stuff to do. It's a lot less boring.

And they removed pretty much every resource in the game accept iron and tungsten

FEichinger

Which is also a shame. I mean, it sure was a bit too much micromanagement the last few versions, but now it's just way too simple.

David Freitag

Yep. Hopefully they will bring back some of the management stuff.

FEichinger

21:18

But the game definitely has come a long way since the early days of "Here's six kinds of creatures and a thumper. Have fun in Copa!"

David Freitag

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@FEichinger Hehe I remember those days. You would see one person a week if you're lucky

FEichinger

@DavidFreitag You'd usually find a few people where the Accord thumpers are now. But that was about it.

David Freitag

21:39

@FEichinger I remember trying to run level 3 ARES missions alone with a bare stock frame. That was.... fun...

FEichinger

I have a feeling you got in about a year after I did.

Most of my fun early memories with Firefall are about the watch towers still not being actually implemented and Chosen Drop Pods being pretty much the only non-player-driven world event.

You have no idea how much fun it is to get yourself sniped by a drop pod when that's really the only thing to do in the game.

TildalWave

@Iszi Delta IV launch was scrubbed for ~ 24 hours, doesn't look too promising for tomorrow either with 30% chance of favorable weather

Iszi

@TildalWave Technical, I presume?

TildalWave

> To recap, a device the provides environmentally-controlled commodities to the vehicle shut down at the launch pad. There was little that could be accomplished remotely. So the decision has been made to scrub for today so the issue can be addressed. Liftoff is retargeted for Thursday night at 6:59 p.m. EDT. Weather is 30 percent favorable.

yup

Rory Alsop

22:20

So. Did anyone watch the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony? What a pile of ....

We officially have the worst strip ever

And terrible entertainment

And singers who forget the words

<sigh>

David Freitag

22:52

@RoryAlsop I always watch the singers try to sing the national anthem during a sporting event. They always screw it up, it's almost comical

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag embrassingly comical

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop They always try to apply their personal idea of style to it, and it always ends up sound like crap.

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag it's the forgetting the words bit!

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop Yeah heh. I mean I can't even imagine what kind of stress someone singing in front of a few million drunken assholes is under.

Eheheh it's reasons like these that i hate the ASF

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