The DMZ

TildalWave

02:01

@Ladadadada - That security paranoia scale #9 that you don't have a name for - how about reasonably cautious? :))

BTW I'm probably -1 on that scale... I install malware on my PC to keep me company, spoof UAS to Windows XP to invite hacking attempts, don't lock any doors and my dog is a cuddly wuss

but I do have a cat too... she's an 11 :))

(can change iris shape at will to prevent biometric data scanning)

TildalWave

02:42

@D3C4FF - you have a typo in your answer "locatoin" ;)

D3C4FF

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Q: What are the implications of the recently confirmed NSA surveillance dragnet on the average internet user?

It would appear as though the tinfoil hat-wearing were vindicated today, as news broke of the true scale of the U.S. government's surveillance of its citizens' online activities, conducted primarily through the NSA and seemingly beyond the realm of the law. If the reports are to be believed, met...

Rep traiiin (i reckon )

:P

@TildalWave cheers

TildalWave

@D3C4FF possibly... dunno if that'll strike people as anything they didn't suspect it's happening anyway

@D3C4FF sure, was hoping it'll reach you in those 5 minutes you can edit your post without automatically creating a new revision ;)

Terry Chia

@Adnan Ahhh, that's real crap. So I guess a single pass of dd is more than enough.

Simon

@Adnan, @Iszi explained perfectly why I thought it's ironic.
@TildalWave, I have seen him but no idea what he's done/found though :o.

TildalWave

@Simon well I was referring to him being that big security issue of StackExchange... details we learn about in DMZ are slightly worrying :))

Simon

02:58

@TildalWave, oh lmao. Should I leave and never return or is it already too late?

TildalWave

@Simon neah you're fine, just stock a steady supply of pineapples, just in case ;)

Mar 21 at 17:57, by Adnan

@lynks Damn it lynks! You posted an unordered frequency analysis! You might as well shove a cactus in our asses

which eventually turned into pineapples, possibly because we all know how to spell plural of it... and it still serves the purpose :)

Simon

@TildalWave, that's so damn scary! It made me hop on Linux, you can never be too safe in these kind of situations.

Terry Chia

@Simon Wait, Linux protects you from having cactus/pineapples shoved up your ass?

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That's a major selling point.

Simon

@TerryChia I'm going to use this argument when enterprises don't want to use LAMP servers.

Terry Chia

@Simon Sure, scare tactics on the CEO always works out well.

Simon

03:11

@TerryChia, especially when it's related to his butthole.

Terry Chia

@Simon BTW, you should use the "reply-to" feature of the chat when replying to someone. Click on the little arrow on the right of a message to reply to it.

TildalWave

A well equipped CEO meeting room will always have a bowl of fruits on the table with a pineapple as a centrepiece... that's not a coincidence!

Simon

@TerryChia Interesting but it makes me feel like I'm using a GUI, this is unacceptable.

Terry Chia

@TildalWave You sound like you are speaking from experience.

TildalWave

@TerryChia well a good candidate should recognize it's purpose and sit at the furthest chair from it, otherwise he/she hasn't a clue about security ... similarly, you should observe their reaction to saying your favorite sport is waterboarding ... if they're still in the room, they're hired ;)

Simon

03:17

Is there a better WA than DVWA to perform penetration tests?

TildalWave

@Simon better in what way? more vulnerable?

Terry Chia

@ScottPack You are the SF guy around here. I would like to ask a question about what features/performance benefits does apache provide over nginx as a primary web server. Would that question be a dupe/NC?

@Simon Might wanna look into OWASP webgoat. Have not tried it personally but it looks good.

Simon

@TildalWave Hum yeah, that question wasn't clear at all, sorry about that. I still haven't tried it yet but I'm assuming most vulnerabilities will be obvious.

@TerryChia I'll look it up, thanks.

TildalWave

@Simon well yes, you'll have a menu list for each of them... but the point is, I guess, rehearsal of exploiting textbook flaws

Simon

Anyway, I'm talking like if I'm a super pro who's been doing this for years. I bet some of them will give me a hard time.

Stack Exchange

04:29

Good thing we're too smart to spend all day being uselessly frustrated with ourselves. I mean, that'd be a hell of a waste, right?

Rory McCune

07:27

@Adnan weird! that's an odd way to do it! especially when overwriting sectors with zeros is so easy...

@Simon if you look at OWASP BWA (broken web apps) project they've got a VM with a load of vulnerable apps. Some are easier than others, some of them are relatively tricky...

AviD

@Simon I've been partial to google gruyere, for teaching with. Cheese is funny.

Gilles

07:42

@D3C4FF So, the NSA has committed about 100mFb of privacy violation?

(like the Tesla and the Helen, the Facebook is a pretty large unit)

> Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

Oh, a government agency is doing its job. That's good.

Terry Chia

@Gilles This is the Internet. How dare you use common sense?

Gilles

-2

Q: Record User Activity

How to record User activity from a Linux Laptop? I need to find out what a user accesses and changes from his laptop and on his laptop. Distribution Used: Linux Ubuntu 12.04 Architecture : 64 Bit. There is an activity.sqlite which is created under the zeitgeist datastore. However it does not pr...

linux

I disagree with the vote to migrate to SU, implementing audits is on-topic here

but I voted to close as NARQ, the guy is in way over is head

Adnan

@RoryMcCune Yup, I've done it again. Filled the disk with stuff and "wiped" it using Eraser. Same results.

Rory McCune

@Adnan sounds like a blog post to me :)

Adnan

@RoryMcCune I'm currently filling and wiping with another application that unmounts the disk and fill the sector with zeros. It's called DiskWipe (another popular one).

Rory McCune

07:56

@Adnan that'll be interesting, if properly implemented, I'd be surprised to see a data recovery system get anything sensible back.

AviD

08:34

@RoryMcCune @MrsMcCune - Surface RT now comes with free cover. well, for the next month, anyway.

I am sorely tempted... though I was considering waiting till Surface 2.0 is announced...

Rory McCune

@AviD yeah i have a feeling they're getting a bit keen on that front 'cause it doesn't look like windows RT is doing too well

no new RT devices at computex

personally if you want a lightweight windows tablet I'd hold off for the haswell based atom ones which'll run full windows

AviD

interesting. I think they may be ahead of their time... I've already said often enough how I think computing devices will be within a few years...

D3C4FF

@Gilles mFb?

AviD

@RoryMcCune haswell/atom?

Rory McCune

true I think the concepts good, but the loss of compatibility with windows progs is bad.

AviD

08:37

like I said, as a tradeoff I prefer the RT, with really powerful machines over RDP.

Rory McCune

@AviD yeah there's a new atom based core IIRC coming out based on intels new haswell chips

AviD

@RoryMcCune Its.A.Tablet.

@RoryMcCune whoa, an atom chip that is compatible with haswell?

Rory McCune

@AviD true but if you can have two tablets , identical apart from one can run 200x more programs than the other....

@AviD think so let me see if I can find a link, it's called silvermont or something like that...

AviD

actually, I'm not sure the RT is just a MS marketing ploy, to push more people to the Surface Pro. :D

did @Marion mention which cover she prefers for it? Type/Touch?

Rory McCune

yeah silvermont dailytech.com/… coming "holiday 2013" whatever that means

AviD

08:39

obviously the type is better for heavier typing tasks, but how is the tradeoff. Thicker/heavier?

@RoryMcCune so another 6 months. hmm...

but thats when the chip comes out, not surfaces based on them.

probably save those goodies for 2.0, and I'm hoping for 3G/4G too...

Rory McCune

She says "type cover" 'cause it's only very slightly thicker and much better to touch on. a bit weird when folded behind the screen

she also says that the pro is a really nice device

AviD

@RoryMcCune weird how? uncomfortable to use as a tablet sans keyboard?

(thanks @Marion!)

Rory McCune

@AviD when you fold the keyboard behind the tablet when using it as a tablet it can feel odd (of course you can just remove the keyboard to get round that but she tends not to)

AviD

@RoryMcCune hmm... extra weight? power consumption?

Rory McCune

here comes the expert :)

Marion McCune

08:45

@avid questions?

AviD

heehee, hiya @MarionMcCune!

Marion McCune

Good Morning

AviD

33 secs ago, by AviD

@RoryMcCune hmm... extra weight? power consumption?

@MarionMcCune sorry to be bugging you so early, thanks for the braindump :-)

Marion McCune

@avid I think the RT is a nice device - but on balance I prefer the pro - even though it is heavier and has a worse battery... It is just so much more useful....

@avid Outlook is coming for the RT - but still no vpn client or visual studio

AviD

@MarionMcCune well, as I've said, my usage model would be basic tablet usage, + RDP to really strong machines. So the difference between RT and Pro would be moot for me, except for the drawbacks.

@MarionMcCune I would be running all that on the RDP anyway. (and RDP over SSL/VPN...)

its just not worth it to me, for the less battery life, extra cost, etc.

the pro still has better screen resolution, though...

Marion McCune

08:49

@avid Cool - as I say the RT is a nice device....

AviD

@MarionMcCune did you see the free cover with RT?

Marion McCune

@avid I did.... I think they are getting a bit desperate

AviD

so now I'm thinking maybe to pick it up this month... not sure about the tradeoff between touch vs type.

@MarionMcCune ha! maybe...

obviously the type is better, but I was wondering about tradeoffs. @RoryMcCune mentioned you said it felt weird folded over...

is it heavier? Does it draw extra power (affecting battery life, of course)?

Terry Chia

A ThinkPad Helix with Haswell will be cool. :P

Marion McCune

@avid I don't think it has any impact on battery life... And it is much much easier to type on

Rory McCune

08:52

@TerryChia helix does look nice although from the lenovo forums sounds like they have some hardware issues with the first batch. Definitely the haswell helix could be v.nice

Marion McCune

@avid It just feels kinda weird in your hand when you have it folded back.... Sorta squishy

RoryMcCune has money burning a hole in his pocket for a Haswell device....

Rory McCune

@MarionMcCune although I'm waiting for proper reviews to come out, I think there'll be quite a few hit and miss devices...

AviD

@MarionMcCune lol

Gilles

@D3C4FF milliFacebook

Rory McCune

I take it everyone's seen the kerfuffle over PRISM this morning.. Someone on reddit had an interesting point. The new Xbox One has always on Kinect sensors with cameras and mics as well as always on Internet connections

AviD

09:03

@Gilles so one mFb would be about 800,000 people?

Rory McCune

so instant surveillance infrastructure!

AviD

anyway @MarionMcCune thanks for the tips!

@RoryMcCune oh, please.

►

Rory McCune

@AviD heh. so it turns out to be true after all, it's funny when satire gets it dead on

I just thought the idea of the camera/mic as an add-on was pretty cool (in a scary 1984 way)

AviD

@RoryMcCune you mean 2024, right? They're just off by 40 years.

TildalWave

@Gilles Have you seen his other, similar question that's also closed and with 7 downvotes?

Ladadadada

09:38

I think I might be voting on Sec.SE in my sleep. I just clicked on that NSA question and I've already upvoted both the question and one of the answers and I have no memory of doing it.

TildalWave

09:54

@Ladadadada seems that leaves you vulnerable to heap overflow exploits... you should get yourself a canary

Rory Alsop

@Ladadadada I get that too often... on other SE sites too :-/

Lucas Kauffman

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Gilles

10:10

@RoryAlsop You should protect that thread now

Rory Alsop

@Gilles Hmm - aside from Kurian, it's probably worth leaving open for a bit yet. Will watch for rubbish coming in...

Lucas Kauffman

Lol quote of the day: "Your momma so fat she IS big data."

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Ladadadada

10:26

@TildalWave I have a guinea pig. I wonder if I can dress it in yellow...

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Damn, that's gold.

Rory Alsop

10:41

dammit - imgur sucked me in.... must escape and pick up kids from school

AndyMac

11:06

@rorym

Rory McCune

@AndyMac yar?

AndyMac

@rorymccune I agree with your response to Mr Alsop / I was wondering though in terms of using non-US services for email etc

Didn't the UK last year state that all service providers (telephony) have to store records for at least 1 year (via Theresa May)

Rory McCune

@AndyMac from what I know that got rejected last year, although they're trying to bring it back

after the recent killing of a soldier I saw several politicians try to use it as a reason that the legislation was needed. however MI5 said it wouldn't have helped

AndyMac

in relation to making dodgy references i'm sure there are plenty of people who must have loked up anarchist's handbooks etc after the Boston bombing to look how easy it is to find out how to uild pipe bombs and the like

Rory McCune

so hopefully it'll go away again.

@AndyMac exactly, I worry most about bad use of the information leading to people being prosecuted for visiting the wrong websites...

AndyMac

11:09

hopefully though the push seems to be pretty persistent / maybe the EU data protection stuff next year will be of some help though with the number of edits (around 4000) by lobbying groups it'll liekly end up being pretty watered down

Marion McCune

@avid I thought you might like to see my Surface setup...he Surface in the right of the photo is the Pro attached to a Targus docking station and powering two external monitors.... The one on the left is my RT.... The WP8 couldn't be in the photo because it was taking it.....

Rory McCune

@AndyMac yeah I have some hope that'll help. Otherwise despite the way the .gov may take it, I'll be VPN'ing my traffic out of the country if that UK legislation goes through

Marion McCune

AndyMac

unfortunately also the largest services are all provided by US businesses / there generally don't seem to be services in Europe provided by businesses here that'll match up to the offerings for Google / Amazon

Rory McCune

@AndyMac yeah I was just talking to @MarionMcCune about that this morning. This kind of revelation could provide a spur for EU based companies to come along...

Marion McCune

11:12

@andymac That is exactly the point I was about to make. I find it very concerning that we don't have any native EU providers of that scale....

AndyMac

@RoryMcCune it'd be amazing if the laying down of fibre by the government ends up being used to just bypass their monitoring services!

Rory McCune

@AndyMac heh

AndyMac

@MarionMcCune Agreed - there should be a massive opportunity there / interesting also that Microsoft's new advertising campaign has a focus on privacy so they realise that's something we're looking out for in Europe / finding out about all this Prism stuff is a kick in the teeth for that kind of advertising!

Marion McCune

@andymac Agreed - though it was amusing that the Guardian article doesn't mention MS at all....

@andymac I would frankly be furious if I were any of these companies

AndyMac

@MarionMcCune true though i wonder what options they have available to them /

Marion McCune

11:16

@andymac I was wondering which of them would be the first to break ranks and admit that it is all true

AndyMac

@MarionMcCune there's a danger in the rhetoric that's being used / it's very like McCarthyism / there was some dialogue between Moxie Marlinspike and Saudi Arabia a few weeks back that underlines that rhetoric

thoughtcrime.org/blog/saudi-surveillance

D3C4FF

11:28

@AviD olololol!

Adnan

12:11

AAAAand rep-trained.

Simon

@AviD I hate cheese.

@RoryMcCune seems really interesting, I'll look it up when I get time, thanks.

CodesInChaos

12:26

@Simon You sound like half the Starcraft2 player base :P

Lucas Kauffman

12:57

@MarionMcCune ohai ^^

Scott Pack

13:09

@Adnan That's....fucking terrible!

@Adnan I'm seeing a two or three part sec.se blog post in the horizon!

@TerryChia As you phrased it here I would probably close it as non-constructive because it's too likely to elicit debate or "Mine is better because better" type arguments.

Adnan

14:20

@Tildal I feel offended that someone downvoted your answer. I really like it!

@TerryChia I can confirm that using Linux does not protect you from having cactus/pineapples shoved up your ass.

I've learned that by means of static code analysis, and not penetration testing.

Rory Alsop

@D3C4FF - nice reptrain work there :-) 3rd on the supercollider and rising!

Rory McCune

And @Adnan's answer is no.1 on supercollider, busy day for Sec.SE!

Adnan

@RoryMcCune More questions for @RoryA to protect

@RoryMcCune Oh, soon you'll be able to protect.

Done.

Rory McCune

will I. ahh didn't know I got any more toys at 15k!

Rory Alsop

14:35

@RoryMcCune Nice one @Adnan!

and that one still doesn't have rubbish and nonsense appearing - this is a good day on the interwebs

@RoryMcCune yep - you have protect questions at 15k and then trusted user at 20k

you alread have all the other cheevos

Adnan

@RoryAlsop Actually, I'm starting appreciate rep-trains a lot more lately. They're really nice to bring us more traffic, more users, more questions, more answers. Great stuff!

Rory Alsop

@Adnan yeah - when we saw the first one, we thought oh no, here comes the low value rubbish, but even if there is a small influx of low quality junk, the net result of these things is obviously pretty positive.

Scott Pack

And it seems like the bigger the site gets the better the quality the reptrains attract.

I'm not sure what's caused that, but it's interesting.

Adnan

Shouldn't this be here?

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Q: How easy is to hack Javascript (in a browser)?

My question is regarding Javascript security. Imagine an auth system. You're using a javascript framework like backbone or angularjs and you need to use secure endpoints. That is not a problem, the server always have the last word and will see if you're able to do what you want. But what if you...

javascript security browser hacking

copy

I am now discussing Benjamin's answer in the JS room with him

Not anymore

Rory McCune

14:52

@RoryAlsop did you see the disgraceful comment on my NSA answer... "Too many Rory's on this site. – FreshPrinceOfSO 3 mins ago"... as if there could ever be such a thing as too many Rory's!!

Scott Pack

Putz.

Adnan

@copy Link..

Rory Alsop

@RoryMcCune aye - maybe I spoke too soon on the worthless comments - soon be time to protect, perhaps

copy

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 25 mins ago, by copy

@BenjaminGruenbaum No

Rory McCune

@RoryAlsop not just worthless, sacrilegious ;o)

Rory Alsop

14:58

@RoryMcCune hmmm - I don't see that in my list of close/delete options :-)

Request for new mod tool - remove sacriligeous content!

Rory McCune

@RoryAlsop good plan!

Adnan

@RoryMcCune Yes yes yes, you should inaugurate (inaugurate?) your new tools.

Rory Alsop

hahaha - just sent the full version of this, which is definitely NSFW. This tame version still made me laugh:

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Adnan

@RoryAlsop Daaaamn! (the full version)

Rory Alsop

@Adnan Apparently Aston Martin got quite upset and have set their legal team on various folks...

Adnan

15:11

@RoryAlsop What the hell?! Why? It's pretty funny.

D3C4FF

@RoryAlsop Yeah, it was going all sweet, till someone downvoted me for some unknown reason O_o

@copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste

Rory Alsop

@D3C4FF looks like you only have 1 downvote from that guy who said "it isn't comprehensive enough"

wtf?#

@D3C4FF do we have anyone here called @paste?

D3C4FF

@RoryAlsop not afaik.

copy

@D3C4FF I'm happy to see you, too

Rory Alsop

@D3C4FF hahaha - that can be fixed...

D3C4FF

15:13

@RoryAlsop He doesn't have the rep to downvote i dont think? Dontcha need 125?

Rory Alsop

@D3C4FF oh yeah, good point

D3C4FF

@copy Yay! Internet friends...

Scott Pack

Man. I have had a productive morning.

D3C4FF

@RoryAlsop And 'sif "isnt comprehensive enough but i cbf doing any better" is a good reason -_-

Scott Pack

Cleaned out a cabinet, made the forensics lab not terrible. There's a huge ass pile of cardboard outside for recycilng.

Rory Alsop

15:14

@D3C4FF I think I deleted his comment as it was pointless and crap :-)

D3C4FF

@RoryAlsop Naww shucks :) There's been a few comments removed from that thread... >_>

Rory Alsop

@D3C4FF I think I took out 3. None of the ones with any content, just a cleanup of flagged and crap posts

D3C4FF

@RoryAlsop Yeah, cause my inbox said 8 new replies :P

Rory Alsop

Look at the supercollider now - the NSA question has dropped 3 places - reptrain over for that one

D3C4FF

@RoryAlsop Yep. :( I hit the 200 rep cap anyway :P

Rory Alsop

15:27

@D3C4FF showoff ;-P I almost never hit it. Think I only have twice

D3C4FF

Someone posted some formula for how the supercollider calculates positions a while back, i dont suppose you have that link handy?

Rory Alsop

@D3C4FF nope haven't seen it, sorry

D3C4FF

@RoryAlsop Waaaat? No waii! I've hit it like 4-5 times i'm pretty sure. How can you in your 33k glory have not?!

Rory Alsop

@D3C4FF I'm old, and been here a long time

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Thought I'd say that before any of the cheeky youngsters pipes up

Lucas Kauffman

:p

D3C4FF

15:31

@RoryAlsop I'm a cheeky youngster!

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop Some say he ran Security.SE before the Internet was born...

D3C4FF

@LucasKauffman Others just say he was always a little sec.se

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AviD

@MarionMcCune sweeeet! Also like your installation collection on the wall...

Lucas Kauffman

@D3C4FF All we know he's called dr. Mayhem

Rory Alsop

@LucasKauffman hahahahaha - I drive like the Stig, only slower, and with more rock music...

Scott Pack

15:42

Lucas Kauffman

hahahaha

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack dammit - I don't get it. All I think of when I see that dinosaur is Mine Turtle!

►

which is funny if you have kids who watch asdf

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Have you read those books or watched that show?

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack no GoT for me at all

Scott Pack

That's why you don't get it.

n00b

Rory Alsop

15:45

yep

Scott Pack

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you would probably enjoy it.

D3C4FF

@ScottPack who doesn't enjoy boobies?

Scott Pack

Good acting, good story, real high production value, lots of boobs.

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop It's got boobies and blood and a decent story!

Scott Pack

9gag.com/gag/3974336

Rory Alsop

15:46

these are all win things

Scott Pack

That's probably season 1

Rory Alsop

I just missed episode one and the 10 minutes of episode two I saw made no sense

so I haven't had time. At some point I'll watch the dvd box set I guess

Scott Pack

That's...unsurprising.

The story is incredibly dense.

The books are also told 100% from Point of View characters, which makes it really hard to figure out who is who.

D3C4FF

@RoryAlsop Hahaha fuckin' awesome!

Rory Alsop

@D3C4FF some of the videos from asdf are ....odd, to say the least

D3C4FF

15:49

@RoryAlsop Odd, but awesome. MINE TUTURLE... 'Wheee'

@RoryAlsop well looks like the off-topic folks from that thread didn't decide to take us up on using the DMZ :(

Rory Alsop

@D3C4FF they missed out on MINE TURTLE!

time to go and be a taxi for the next 2 hours or so...

D3C4FF

@RoryAlsop yeah, time for sleep. Its almost 2AM. And its been a busy day drinking and playing pool.

Cheeri-o all

AviD

@ScottPack @RoryAlsop and everybody dies.

Scott Pack

@AviD How does that affect my assertions?

AviD

@ScottPack it does not.

Scott Pack

15:55

Exactly.

AviD

so I'm noticing an upsurge of votes on a specific old answer of mine. I just read the password reptrain now, and realized that it was linked from there. The universe makes sense again.

Iszi

@D3C4FF @RoryAlsop @AviD Someone mind bringing me up to speed on this?

As I see it, @D3C4FF's answer is currently incomplete and may be very misleading.

The question is not about the Verizon data referenced in @D3C4FF's answer. It's about PRISM, which allows TLAs to access servers at Google, Microsoft, etc. and covers much more than just phone call metadata.

If the TLAs have unrestricted access to those servers, phone calls could in fact be monitored if one of the parties is using Skype or Google Voice.

There is also a lot of other data the TLAs may have access to, including e-mails, Twitter DMs, and other "private" social media content. This is not addressed in the answer at all.

Rory McCune

16:48

and first piece of scope creep on the NSA guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/07/… GCHQ has access....

Rory Alsop

@AviD sounds like Gormenghast - hope it is better than that!

David

17:17

Morning everyone

Rory Alsop

@David morning

David

hate my school :(

the day its supposed to be 106F (today), they decided to close the covered parking structure

Rory Alsop

@David had to do the conversion to C - that's a bit toasty

David

@RoryAlsop yeah, and now my car is parked on blacktop :(

can't wait to get back in it at 4pm

TildalWave

17:33

@Adnan most people see a word client and can't move past the chance to exploit such relationship for financial gains... it's how people are, I didn't expect any different. But they didn't understand the question, because if this was a business only relationship, OP wouldn't inquire about ethics of billing him for or due to more work

Xander

18:12

@RoryAlsop @David Yeah, the real problem is not the 41C, it's the sun that the car is sitting in Texas summers are like that. Leave your car parked in the sun, and the interior can easily reach 65-70C by the heat of the day.

And that's really toasty to climb into. :-)

It's amusing to see a surface parking lot in Dallas in August, with the spots in front of the stores wide open and cars strategically parked next to scraggly little saplings at the back of the lot to catch any little bit of shade.

Scott Pack

This was our parking lot one day last summer.

TildalWave

18:42

@ScottPack yikes! I don't get it tho (and they do it here also) why use such dark asphalt for parking lots? doesn't seem to make much sense, it only makes it softer, which is less than ideal with a lot of stopping and accelerating going on

Scott Pack

@TildalWave Because concrete is white, but expensive to pour (even though it lasts much longer). Asphalt is black (because of the tar/oil leavings) but is cheap.

Xander

@TildalWave Because @ScottPack is in the north, where they have (slightly) shorter, cooler summers, they can get away with it. In Texas (and the rest of the Southwest) there isn't much asphalt, but concrete instead.

Though there are some special high-temp asphalt formuations.

Jeff Ferland

ick ick ick way too hot...

Scott Pack

18:57

TildalWave

yup the price is probably the main factor, tho I expected they'd use prefabricated blocks and not pour it on site

Scott Pack

That's far enough north that we tend to be 3-4 degrees warmer, but close enough.

Oh, price is definitely the main factor. Concrete roadways are WAY more expensive.

Granted, they also last an incredible amount longer.

TildalWave

@ScottPack I'm hardly knowledgeable enough about this, but isn't there some other, lighter in color additives they could use for asphalt mixtures? It seems that the tar rubs in/out in time anyway? With all our technology, I'd expect they'd synthesise something cheaper by now

Scott Pack

@TildalWave There's a big difference between "could" and "willing to".

The companies that benefit most from these things are the ones doing the work who are also the ones who would be figuring out how to do it.

TildalWave

@ScottPack yup true that

Scott Pack

19:05

For example, my car is considered highly fuel efficient at 30mpg city and 40 mpg highway.

Or 7.8/5.8 l/100km if you prefer

lynks

@ScottPack I'm lucky if I get 20mpg out of mine

Jeff Ferland

I used to regularly get 50-60 out of my Ninja while flogging it. Still get high 30s while taking the highway at 80 on the C14

Bicycle == bananas per mile, perhaps?

lynks

I do tend to sit between 5 and 6 Krevs, with 7 being the redline

Scott Pack

@JeffFerland Yours is a 1.5 passenger engine with a heat shield between it and your crotch. Mine is actually a 5 passenger hatchback.

Xander

I get 12.5 MPG. Unless I'm super-diligent about driving easy. Then I can get 13. 14.5 on long roadtrips with cruise control.

lynks

19:14

is it ok if a cat eats sweet chilli coated peanuts?

Scott Pack

I can't see any potential issues.

Xander

Thankfully, I work from home, so my fuel milage is nigh on irrelevant.

@lynks I'm suspecting that you're about to find out.

lynks

@Xander well it's not my cat

Xander

@lynks Is it your floor? If so, I might be worried.

I'm betting something unusual is coming out of one end or the other.

lynks

@Xander he just licked all the salt off the outside then left...I'm sure its fine :P

Scott Pack

19:16

@Xander I wouldn't exactly call it "working".

Simon

@ScottPack, talk dirty to me.

Jeff Ferland

@ScottPack :D

My friend calls it the Kawasaki Intra-national Touring Truck

Xander

@ScottPack Wanna trade then? :-)

Scott Pack

@Xander That depends. Do they pay based on lines of code or based on it compiling and running?

TildalWave

@JeffFerland heh that's wind powered then

Xander

19:27

@ScottPack We run continuous integration, so I'm afraid compiling and running is going to be a prerequisite.

TildalWave

@lynks I was wondering the same but they don't seem to be affected by capsaicin like we are.. probably only a mild irritation, I let my cat eat anything she wants ... which is not much anyway (and yes sometimes they'll eat something that irritates their stomach intentionally, trying to throw up and get rid of fur balls in their throat)

lynks

@TildalWave yeah smudge tends to eat a load of plants when he wants to throw up

TildalWave

@lynks c'mon man I served it up for you... cats... fur balls down their throat... :(

dunno what @Xander deleted there but I'm laughing my ass off just in case it was related

lynks

19:46

@TildalWave haha :P maybe I'm just not as dirty minded as you :P

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