The DMZ

@AviD I made it to France yesterday via Chunnel and took a ferry back to the UK less than 8 hours later. It snowed on me twice yesterday and it's nothing but white outside now.

Adnan

Nobody wants me to check their gender? :(

2

AviD

@ScottPack next, can we find some parapelegics and knock 'em out of their wheelchairs?

Terry Chia

@Adnan If this chatroom gets on my school's filter, I am blaming you.

3

AviD

@JeffFerland wait till you get to Scotland... ;-)

Adnan

@TerryChia Me? Haaave you met @ScottPack?

AviD

12:25 PM

@Adnan are you sure you're not secretly homophobic....?

Jeff Ferland

@AviD We'll see if the weather lets me do so.

Terry Chia

@Adnan As far as I can tell, all mentions of assess and cacti in this room were initiated by you.

Jeff Ferland

Might have to rent a car if I do make the trip. Stupid motorcycle.

AviD

@JeffFerland @Rory will be sorely disappointed if you don't.

Adnan

@TerryChia Which supports @AviD's claim! :O

Jeff Ferland

12:26 PM

@AviD I will be too

AviD

@Adnan I don't claim anything, I just observe.

Lucas Kauffman

@JeffFerland I think you might need to swap your motorbike for a snow scooter

Adnan

@AviD Well anyway, everyone of us a little homophobic inside him.

Rory McCune

Adnan

Yaaay! Look who's here! @asadz welcome welcome!

AviD

12:30 PM

@Adnan you sick bastard, you would like that, wouldn't you.

Rory McCune

@JeffFerland not to put you off at all but that's the view from my window at the moment...

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune Winter is coming!

4

AviD

@RoryMcCune not to put you off, but should I send you a pic of all the sun streaming outside my window at the moment...? ;-)

Rory McCune

@AviD I've seen some of @RoryAlsop s pics...

this is the most snow we've had all winter!

Adnan

@RoryMcCune 5cm?

AviD

12:32 PM

@RoryMcCune hehe, poor guy he's not used to Summer.

@Adnan STOP MEASURING OTHER GUYS!

heehee

Rory McCune

@Adnan possibly a bit more, is still falling

Terry Chia

@Adnan That's what he said!

Adnan

@TerryChia He who?

Who he?

AviD

@Adnan the little homomorph you want inside you.

Polynomial

I wake up and the first thing I see is you guys discussing "measuring other guys" and checking each other's genders.

Terry Chia

12:35 PM

@Polynomial It's @Adnan's fault.

Lucas Kauffman

@Polynomial puts on rubber glove

I blame @Adnan too

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Yaaay! Finally, this is happening!

Polynomial

Anyway, that has to be the strangest dream I've had in a while.

AviD

@Polynomial I doubt that.

Adnan

@Polynomial Do tell!

Polynomial

12:37 PM

dreamt that I went into hospital for a checkup for my back condition, and I was wearing my floor-length leather coat, and people kept thinking I was a vampire hunter and I had to keep explaining that I wasn't.

then I had a discussion with a nurse about adjustable signs, which resulted in me building a power supply for a sign light. I have no idea where that bit came from.

eventually I got to see the doctor and for some reason he was wearing my coat

and he was trying to tell me ways to commit benefit fraud and I was getting annoyed at him

then he was talking to me about my new job and kept double-checking that "penetration tester" didn't mean something weird and creepy

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and finally the whole hospital turned into my primary school and I had to run away from a fat dinner-lady.

(for non-UK people, primary school is for kids aged 5-10 years)

then there was something about sedatives and an interview with a man about houses being built next to a river.. I don't remember that bit

and that was pretty much it

oh yeah, there was something about a room full of pumps too, and everything seemed huge.

my #1 strangest/awesomest dream still has to be the one where I flew over my town on the back of a giant chicken and fired nerf guns at people.

that was sweet. was so pissed when I woke up.

Lucas Kauffman

@Polynomial Would you please go with the men in the white coats?

Jeff Ferland

The hospital thing sounds entirely believable

Adnan

@Polynomial Good luck picking up someone in a bar when you tell them what you do.

@Polynomial Serious question. How was the areal view of your town? Realistic? Have you recognized some places while you were flying?

Polynomial

@Adnan If I remember it correctly, it mainly focused around areas that I knew from aerial shots and Google Maps.

@Adnan That's a moot point. I've been in a relationship for nearly 6 years.

@LucasKauffman I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

AviD

@Polynomial That's not much of a pickup line, either.

Adnan

12:58 PM

@Polynomial I'm actually interested in the Google Maps "scenes" of your dream. It's fascinating that you see a top-view of the area and the brain works out the perspective view and navigate throughout the area.

Polynomial

@Adnan I think it's also because I know the area, so I can roughly interpolate.

dreams tend to fill out the details at the time, but later you realise you don't actually remember the details being there. that's probably one of the prime indicators that a "memory" is of a dream.

Adnan

1:18 PM

@Polynomial Does your company require any security clearance from the employees?

Polynomial

@Adnan Yeah, they do a CRB check and apply for SC clearance.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan you have to answer a questionnaire that says: "Are you a terrorist?"

Polynomial

@LucasKauffman I like Bill Bailey's take on that one.

Adnan

@Polynomial Interesting. Thanks

Lucas Kauffman

1:34 PM

@Polynomial so did you already start the new job?

Polynomial

"Are you a member of a terrorist organisation?" Well, I guess you could be, in a non-violent capacity. Like, in catering or something. "Yes, I am a member of a terrorist organisation, but I'm just the receptionist... Hello, Axis of Evil, how may I direct your call? ... Oh, no, sorry, they're all out at the moment. Doing evil I s'pose! Let me just put you on hold..." have you heard about the Axis of Evil pension scheme?

@LucasKauffman I start on Monday.

moving my shit down to London on Saturday

Adnan

@LucasKauffman I like those forms :D They're fun!

Ninefingers

@Polynomial Bill Bailey is a genius.

Polynomial

@Ninefingers agreed

"For years Iraq has been the homebase of al-Qaeda." The homebase of al-Qaeda? That's how we're going to catch them! We'll find where they're getting their patio furniture!

Ninefingers

@Polynomial I still think is apocalyptic rave (the BBC news) is the best thing he's done.

"We are the only ones! Watch us, not the others! Now, the weather!"

Polynomial

1:40 PM

@Ninefingers "THIS IS THE BBC! DO NOT LISTEN TO THE OTHERS! WE ARE THE TRUE PROPHETS!"

my favourite is still the Geoffry Chaucer pubbe gagge

Ninefingers

@Polynomial YEs, and US news sounds like "and now some puppies will lick your face".

Polynomial

haha

Three fellows wenten into a pubbe, and gleefully their hands did rubbe, with expectation of revelry, for t'was the hour known as happy.

Great portails of wine did they quaffe, and had a very good laugh. 'till drunkneness held full dominion, for t'was two for the price of one.

Ninefingers

@Poly oh, congrats on the new job btw, I just read up a bit further than Bill Bailey ;)

cheers ^^

reptrains are weird

1:46 PM

"Upon three young wenches round and sly, the fellows cast a wanton eye. One did approach with drunken wink, "'ello darlin', you fancy a drink?". Soon they caught them upon their knee, t'was like some grotesque puppetry. Such was the lewdness and debauchery, t'was like a sketch by Dick Emery. Except that Dick Emery is not yet born, so such comparison may not be drawn!"

best bit of that pubbe gagge.

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman Just a couple of more weeks. I can't wait! squee

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack what?

Ninefingers

@LucasKauffman Game of Thrones, I think.

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman Game of Thrones Season 3 starts on the 31st.

Polynomial

I'm enjoying the new Walking Dead

and can't wait for the new series of Homeland

also got more Waking the Dead to catch up on

er

Silent Witness rather

Ninefingers

1:49 PM

@Polynomial Yes, that. I want to know what happens. There is a danger they'll do a 24 and 8 seasons later it'll still be kinda unresolved, but let's hope it stays as good.

Adnan

@Polynomial By the way, have you listened to the song I sent you earlier?

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack ah true, I can't wait either

Adnan

@ScottPack & @LucasKauffman Is it good?

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman I'm glad they're splitting book 3 into seasons 3 and 4. They need to seriously slow down. They're producing the show faster than Martin is releasing the books.

@Adnan I've really been enjoying it, yeah.

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack I haven't read the books to my big shame :(

Scott Pack

1:52 PM

@Adnan Great acting, good writing, very high production value.

@LucasKauffman They're really good. Quite entrancing.

Terry Chia

@ScottPack I think that's a good thing. I don't want to still be watching it 20 years later.

Ninefingers

@ScottPack I've read all the books except the newest, but I'm refusing to finish them until he's finished writing them. I can't remember enough of what actually happens it's so long between book releases.

Adnan

@ScottPack I watched a couple of episodes with gf a while ago, very awkward sex scenes

Terry Chia

@Adnan s/gf/bf - there FTFY.

Adnan

@TerryChia Yeah, he's into role play.

Scott Pack

1:53 PM

@Ninefingers I ran into the same problem with Wheel of Time. I started that series in 1994.

Ninefingers

@ScottPack Yeah. I'm tempted to write to him and say "mate, I love your books, but if you could hurry up and finish them before you die that would be awesome".

Rory McCune

2:08 PM

breaking: there's been a major password data breach for affecting everyone named Kenny. that's right, Kenny log-ins are in the danger zone

Adnan

@RoryMcCune I don't get it :(

Rory McCune

@Adnan not a top gun fan then?

Terry Chia

Free digital comics: marvel.com/news/story/20260/sxsw_2013_marvel_1

:P

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune You're terrible.

Adnan

@RoryMcCune Sorry, not really.

Rory McCune

2:18 PM

►

Theme from top gun was a song called Danger Zone by Kenny Loggins...

@TerryChia also noticed that they've finally got the subscription service available on iPad wooo. having to buy each comic was lame..

Adnan

@RoryMcCune Jesus! I kept thinking about it for a couple of minutes, then suddenly I exploded.

Terry Chia

People seem to think I do not understand things recently. :(

@TerryChia were talking about webapps design, not Yours workflow. Sorry but You seem to don't understand the subject on purpose. — vandalizmo 10 mins ago

Adnan

@TerryChia What's " Yours workflow"?

And who's the fuck upvoted his answer?!

Terry Chia

@Adnan I don't know.. I think it's because I mentioned I only have 2 email accounts with clearly separate purposes in response to another comment.

@Adnan His answer isn't bad, except for the grammar. It's just another viewpoint.

Adnan

@TerryChia I didn't say it's bad, it's not downvote-worthy. But it certainly is not upvote-worthy!

Terry Chia

2:30 PM

@Adnan Heh, did you just downvote him?

Adnan

@TerryChia No

Terry Chia

@Adnan Funny, someone did.

Adnan

@TerryChia Would you please check if this has downvotes?

AviD

@Adnan repwhore :D

no it does not.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Nope, 34/0.

Adnan

2:34 PM

@AviD :O I just want to be able to edit stuff :(

Terry Chia

Can't you view the vote distributions on your own answers? I thought you could.

Adnan

@TerryChia Thanks

AviD

I was gonna say you would know because of the -2, but you're pretty much almost ready to repcap 2nd day in a row.

Adnan

@AviD I'm 125 today, still pretty far.

@TerryChia Nope, protect new users from the harsh truth.

AviD

@TerryChia need 1000 rep - security.stackexchange.com/privileges/established-user

@Adnan ah. most of those votes above the 20 from yesterday, were also yesterday I guess.

Terry Chia

2:36 PM

@AviD Ahh. I thought that only applied on other questions and answers.

Adnan

@TerryChia Sadly no. Actually this was one of the things that pushed me to get 1k on SO

Terry Chia

The rep cap had been pretty harsh to me in the past. :( My two 30+ vote answers were written one day apart.

Missed out quite a bit of rep.

Adnan

Ahhh

@TerryChia, he cannot accept your answer because

"[it is] just repeating what I believe is 'general knowledge' (or worse - "industry standard") without second thought."

While his answer is: "No more than one could obtain using different parts of the website as a guest"

Isn't that general knowledge?!

Terry Chia

@Adnan heh. I'd rephrase his answer to No less than one could obtain using different parts of the website as a guest.

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia I made some statistics two months ago; apparently, I had lost about 17% of my potential rep due to the rep cap (overall). This may have changed a bit because I hit the rep cap much more consistently these days; I should run my program again.

Adnan

2:53 PM

@ThomasPornin Any insights on the calculation methods?

CodesInChaos

I'd prefer a per-post rep-cap instead of a per-day cap

Terry Chia

@CodesInChaos I think Jon Skeet had a meta post about that right? It didn't go down very warmly to say the least...

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan I download my rep summary from security.stackexchange.com/reputation

then I run a parsing program I wrote

CodesInChaos

@TerryChia It's one of the [status-assasination-required] meta questions

Xander

@CodesInChaos I actually think per-day rather than per-post encourages better answers.

CodesInChaos

2:55 PM

At least in my case the highly voted answers aren't that great

Adnan

@Xander It only encourages people to post answers on daily basis.

Terry Chia

@Xander Problem with a per day thing is it encourages people to stop posting after they hit the daily rep cap. Especially on large sites like SO.

Adnan

@CodesInChaos So I shouldn't feel bad about mine then :D

Terry Chia

Of course you could do a @ThomasPornin and make a sockpuppet or three...

CodesInChaos

Just today I got a +77 answer on programmers.SE that boils down to "code repetition is bad. m'kay"

so proud of that...

Terry Chia

2:57 PM

@CodesInChaos Hahaha I saw that one.

Xander

@Adnan @TerryChia True, but that's a trade off. Perhaps.

@CodesInChaos LOL!

Adnan

Does anybody know the CWE ID for using weak hashing algorithms (like MD5/SHA-1) for hashing passwords?

Xander

The only way to really know, I suppose, would be to experiment. Foiled by science again.

Adnan

Neither CWE-328 nor CWE-759 apply in this case.

Terry Chia

@Adnan I'm guessing you are writing a report for upper management? Why else would you need a CWE number for something that should be common sense. ;)

Adnan

3:00 PM

@ThomasPornin So, total votes: is the total upvotes your posts have received?

@TerryChia Exactly what I'm doing! Ahh.

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan There are also the "Accept" votes, and it may count downvotes as well.

Adnan

@ThomasPornin Ahaaa.. and you have 0 questions.

Terry Chia

@Adnan cwe.mitre.org/data/definitions/916.html

I think that's the one.

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan Yes, upvotes on questions would make the code more complex, since they are worth +5 instead of +10.

Adnan

@TerryChia Precisely! Thanks

@ThomasPornin Yeah, makes sense now.

Terry Chia

3:03 PM

@Adnan The Bear needs ask no questions!

He knows all and sees all!

Adnan

@TerryChia Probably doesn't need to ask questions on StackExchange.

He who does not ask questions, cannot answer one.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Yeah. Reminds me of a quote I saw in Two and a half men.

Let me see if I can dig it up.

Here it is.

> Let me tell you something about sharing, kid. Sharing is a two-way street. When you share with another human being you always get back more than you gave. Assuming that you are smart enough to share with somebody that's got more stuff than you had in the beginning.

Adnan

@TerryChia +1

Polynomial

3:21 PM

@Adnan Tis pretty schweet.

sounds kinda military-industrial

I like the symphony sections mixed with the double-kick stuff

Adnan

@Polynomial Best part, 1:11 "Tervetuloa helvettiin, ervetuloa helvettiin, nyt kaikki lasinne täyttäkää" (welcome to hell, everybody, fill your glasses now)

Polynomial

hehe

my hearing has only just returned after the gig on Friday

my right ear was completely shot after that one

Adnan

@Polynomial Which band?

Polynomial

it was a dual headliner: DevilDriver and Cannibal Corpse

Hour of Penance and Black Dahlia Murder supported

was originally meant to be Winds of Plague instead of Hour of Penance, but WoP's drummer left the band and they had to pull out of the tour :(

so I was pretty bummed about that. really wanted to see WoP.

Adnan

I don't know Cannibal Corpse, were they good?

Polynomial

3:28 PM

not really my kinda thing, but they were ok

it was debatable as to whether the band members had faces for the first half of the gig, since they had their hair completely covering them

BDM weren't bad.

Adnan

I'll check their stuff..

Polynomial

DevilDriver pwned as usual. Got everyone doing a massive circle-pit during Clouds Over California.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia you should get an image for your SE profile

Adnan

@LucasKauffman +1

Polynomial

and Dez sang most of Head on to Heartache towards my missus, which was pretty cool.

Terry Chia

3:31 PM

@LucasKauffman I actually quite like this purple gravatar.

Adnan

@Polynomial Any black marks from the pit?

Polynomial

@Adnan I gave more than I got.

Adnan

@Polynomial Nice!

Polynomial

@Adnan Nearly ended up in a punch-up with some prick that kept trying to elbow me out of the way near the end of the gig when I was stood at the front with my fiancée.

Adnan

I wish that convincing two women to have sex with you at the same time as easy as getting metalheads to mosh.

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@Polynomial Damn! I hate those fuckers!

Polynomial

3:34 PM

was pretty funny in the end though. I was already ~6 inches taller than him, and there's a little ramp at the front so that made me even taller, so when I turned around and shouted at him to pack it the fuck in he practically shat himself

and some dude next to me just burst out laughing at him

Adnan

@Polynomial Nice. It's good when they have it coming!

Polynomial

I also punched some guy in the balls by accident in the pit, which I felt bad for.

Iszi

@Adnan Wow. Just wow. Awesome quote. I'd tweet it, but my wife follows me.

Polynomial

@Iszi I'll do it for you, and you can retweet. Should get away with that one! :P

Adnan

@Iszi You don't know! That might lead to an interesting conversation with interesting results

Polynomial

3:36 PM

tweeted :P

@Adnan Also, it's not all it's cracked up to be. It's better.

Adnan

@TRiG, nice profile pic!

TRiG

@Adnan Christmas party. Was wearing a paper crown from a cracker over my normal silly cloth hat.

(I've cut the hair off since.)

Polynomial

I like the Hatception.

@TRiG You should've taken hair straighteners to it before cutting it off, just to see what it looks like.

TRiG

@Polynomial That might have been interesting.

Adnan

I'm trying to convince my coworkers to slowly start using LaTeX, I really like the SVNability

I'm getting the same reaction I get from posting something on Meta.SO

Terry Chia

3:46 PM

@Adnan Why not git? :P

Polynomial

@TerryChia Because it's git.

SVN is like source control for people who want to write code instead of 800-character git commands and various bash scripts.

git is source control for people whose job title is "Source Control Guy".

Jeff Ferland

@Polynomial svn:git::windows:linux

Polynomial

Hg is source control for people who actually have some more exotic use-cases which SVN doesn't cover, but who still need to have some time to write some code.

@JeffFerland even then I'd use Hg over git.

oh I missed one

TFS is for people who paid for MSDN subscriptions.

though I do have to say, TFS is pretty nice if you're only doing work in Visual Studio.

Lucas Kauffman

@Polynomial With that new GIT gui for windows I really like GIT

it's really easy

Polynomial

@LucasKauffman there's a git GUI for Windows? linky immediately!

(though I still don't enjoy git's ridiculously circuitous commit/merge patterns)

brb shower anyway, I shall check out your link (assuming OP delivers!) when I get back

Terry Chia

3:54 PM

@Polynomial If you are using github, windows.github.com

@Polynomial This is a more generic one: code.google.com/p/gitextensions

I just use git in the command line though.

Oh, git has pretty good integration with Visual Studios as well, seeing as you are a C# developer.

Lucas Kauffman

@Polynomial It's only on github

my bad

CodesInChaos

LaTeX is horrible, but the competition is even worse

Jeff Ferland

4:09 PM

Had to route all my traffic through California to watch Amazon Instant streaming again.

Iszi

@CodesInChaos Sorta like democracy?

CodesInChaos

yes

well there is a difference: I can't think of a better alternative for democracy, despite its sucking

Lucas Kauffman

Product manager claims that XSS is a feature:

CodesInChaos

a better LaTeX alternative isn't that difficult

Terry Chia

@CodesInChaos What? Animal skin?

CodesInChaos

4:17 PM

@TerryChia I won't hire you for marketing it

Terry Chia

@CodesInChaos Of course, you need @Adnan for that.

CodesInChaos

Normally I'd demean the language designer, but for TeX I can't get away with that :(

Terry Chia

Bed time. Have a good day everyone else. :)

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia nighty night

Xander

4:32 PM

@CodesInChaos As Churchill once said, Democracy is the worst form of government, save all the others that have been tried from time to time.

CodesInChaos

I know that one. But designing a better markup language isn't that hard. Designing a better form of government is.

Lucas Kauffman

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Q: Choosing the right tools

I'm totally new in the field of penetration testing, like almost no experience, only read lots of books and papers. I encountered lots of interesting tools during studying, many are famous like Metasploit, Nmap, OpenVas... etc. and other tools that aren't known or less famous, along with lots of ...

to burn it or not to burn it with fire

Thomas Pornin

@LucasKauffman At least he explicitly denies wanting a shopping list.

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