VBA Rubberducking

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

20:01

@FreeMan Most of them won't go to him.

Vogel612

they're basically only chat-pingable by mods and site-pingable under their posts

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

Chat pings won't go unless he's been in chat within 2 weeks, IIRC, and comment pings won't go unless it's his post or he's commented recently.

FreeMan

@23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890 so, so very disappointing...

makes you wonder if he got bombarded in the math forum and left in disgust - never posted anything and hasn't been here in (takes off shoes...) about 4 years

Vogel612

for whatever it's worth... the display name is not unique, only the first one I found when setting up the joke

also test run should pass now

Duga

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] build for commit 870cbdf8 on unknown branch: AppVeyor build succeeded

Vogel612

20:09

called it :)

FreeMan

All should be 23f's new user name. That wouldn't annoy him in the least for the next 30 days!

Mathieu Guindon

@Vogel612 so.. the new annotation is in place?

Vogel612

yea, it's bodged in with a special-case

Imma make myself a small dinner and then imma start working on the Annotation rework

Mathieu Guindon

I think we could merge the new functionality, and have the annotation refactoring a separate PR?

Vogel612

that was the plan, yes

Mathieu Guindon

20:13

:+1:

Vogel612

3 hours ago, by Vogel612

Okay, I'll just finish the ExcelHKAnnotation by bodging it in and then I'll do the refactor as a separate PR

KySoto

despite this week of writing this powershell script feeling like shoving piles of needles into my skull (figuratively) i learned a lot.

Vogel612

though I'm happy to make adjustments if you put in a review :)

Mathieu Guindon

@Vogel612 ah, missed that one - enjoy dinner!

FreeMan

Why does F2 on an Implementation method take me to the Interface definition, and what is the proper way of going to the This.Implementation location of it?

Mathieu Guindon

20:16

rubberduck > find implementation

FreeMan

oh...

hey, that's pretty nifty! Glad you guys thought of that.

:thumbsup"

OldDog.NewTrick

Crikey - this is gonna take a serious refactor of a much too huge Sub to make this happen. It's a good thing, but I think I'll plan today and implement in the morning...

Mathieu Guindon

20:29

@FreeMan R# though of it first, VS followed; RD had to have it =)

Coding against interfaces without a way to navigate to implementation is... annoying at best

can't wait to have one-click nav buttons in the code panes like R# does

e.g. in the left margin next to ISomething_DoSomething there'd be an up-arrow with a tooltip that says "implements ISomething.DoSomething (click to navigate)", and a click takes you to the interface member

this

yep

I don't see anyone taking interfaces in VBA seriously without the tooling

Mathieu Guindon

that mocking framework is a HUGE step towards that

but yeah IDE tooling is essential

FreeMan

"Don't be a tool, use one."

paraphrases a local tool rental company's slogan

this

keep in mind that in VBA it's kind much easier because everything is interface

wanna mock Excel.Range? Have at it!

Mathieu Guindon

been thinking about the Avalon code pane toolwindow some more - doing it would not only kickstart the customized editor project, it would also need to solve a ton of problems that need to be solved in any case - e.g. syncing with the VBE's code panes

IvenBach

20:50

@23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890 ping reminder for assistance on unit test repo.

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

Cool.

FreeMan

@MathieuGuindon I just ran a code import using my code:

  Dim FSO As FileSystemObject
  Set FSO = New FileSystemObject
  Dim file As String
  file = Dir(localPath)
  Do While (file <> vbNullString)
    If file <> "SourceControl.bas" Then     'ignore this module - it's not pretty
      Select Case LCase$(FSO.GetExtensionName(file))
        Case "cls", "bas"
          Debug.Print "Importing: " & file
          Access.Application.LoadFromText acModule, FSO.GetBaseName(file), localPath & file

IvenBach

^^ Hope everything went well.

FreeMan

the reason it Just Works™ is because I don't delete the module - .LoadFromText overwrites the existing module.

(I believe)

about to get schooled if that's a wrong statement...

I do have code to delete the module first, but I'm not calling it. (Don't recall why at this point.)

#TTGH

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

21:13

Just ordered a book on Kubernetes from Manning.

I love their deal of the day thing.

I'm working through the C# 6/7 sections of C# in Depth, and then I'll be out of books again.

I swear I'm going to end up as Manning's best buyer.

I've got my eye on some Haskell and Clojure ones.

Downloading your projects, @IvenBach.

mansellan

@MathieuGuindon ampersands aren't too bad - the trick is to do the diagonal line first and seperately, then do the curved line next.

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

Interview was moved to 2 instead of 4.

mansellan

@this yep, like that (the latter)

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

21:28

@IvenBach You there?

Duga

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] carlos-quintero created comment on issue #3837: Error on Loading VB Editor: InvalidCastException: Unable to cast object of type 'VBClassicExtensibility.VBProjectClass' to type 'Microsoft.Vbe.Interop._VBProject'

> @agglomerator I thought that the order of loading the add-ins was important but I was wrong.

Currently there is no workaround. If AutoDesk is required, then MZ-Tools, RubberDuck and any other .NET-based add-in cannot be loaded at the same time (InvalidCastException because they share the same default AppDomain but the interop types come from different assemblies). You can load/unload them using the Add-In Manager.

Ultimately it's a problem of AutoDesk, that crashes when a .NET-based add-

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

This is a classic case of reference type comparison.

You have two different instances of EmailInfo with the same data.

You are comparing the instances, not the data.

Since these are apparently value types, you'll want to turn it into a struct and implement Equals and GetHashCode.

IvenBach

Jul 23 at 19:22, by IvenBach

@Hosch250 You know the saying "There's always a bigger (idiot | fool | dukhead)"? Well that's me.

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

Or, you'll want to expand your Assert into three Assert--one for each property.

IvenBach

Since I missed out on that thread.

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

21:29

I'd use Assert.Multiple if I did that.

I learned about this when I was working on VS Diagnostics.

IvenBach

@user11170663 welcome to the pond. Didn't see you drop in earlier.

Duga

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] bclothier created comment on issue #3837: Error on Loading VB Editor: InvalidCastException: Unable to cast object of type 'VBClassicExtensibility.VBProjectClass' to type 'Microsoft.Vbe.Interop._VBProject'

> I wonder if this bug report is relevant? I believe that the implication are more widespread than just being not able to load an add-in.

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] mansellan created comment on issue #3837: Error on Loading VB Editor: InvalidCastException: Unable to cast object of type 'VBClassicExtensibility.VBProjectClass' to type 'Microsoft.Vbe.Interop._VBProject'

> @carlos-quintero we're watching the development on .Net Core quite keenly at the moment, as version 3 will have support for WPF and COM interop. Microsoft have stated that AppDomains will never be supported in corefx. One idea that's been suggested is to write a shim that loads and forwards to the net core runtime - if we implement that, it will be interesting to see how that affects our isolation from other add-ins, I believe there is no precedence for this.

IvenBach

21:47

@puzzlepiece87 I'm efforting to use CodeExplorer more instead of ProjectExplorer. Part of this is naming modules as 'FooBarTests' instead of 'TestFooBar'. Habits are hard to break.

Mathieu Guindon

'@Folder("Tests")

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

Ooops.

I was just talking to my boss and our QA lead about vaca for an interview.

I accidentally told my boss instead of the QA it was for an interview.

He's disappointed, but I think he'll be OK.

Either way, I'm talking to 3-4 companies ATM, so I'm not worried :)

IvenBach

mansellan

heh, I find it's sometimes beneficial to "accidentally" disclose you may be looking...

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

I had an interview a week ago. I have an interview next Tuesday.

IvenBach

21:50

@MathieuGuindon ^^^ Forcing myself out of my comfort zone and renaming along the lines of RD.

mansellan

@23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890 given that SE chat about architects you linked, I'm really not surprised. Your company sounds soul-destroying...

IvenBach

@23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890 Now waiting to become lead designer at your current place?

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

It's using Razor Pages.

It's basically MVVM over web.

You don't have controllers anymore--it's just MVVM with an invisible network layer between the HTML and the C#.

A new project.

mansellan

More interested in Blazor atm

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

Yeah, but this is pretty close to Blazor.

From what I'm seeing, it would be pretty easy to update it to be Blazor.

mansellan

21:53

Oh cool, will add it to the reading list :-)

Mathieu Guindon

@23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890 woopsie

@IvenBach presumably the project has MiminizesPunchPattern and PassesCriteria classes?

e.g. GridCoord -> GridCoordTests

or FooInspection -> FooInspectionTests

oh wait, it's PurlinViabilityChecker

IvenBach

PurlinViabilityChecker is the class. The members are MinimizesPunchPatternand PassesCriteria.

Mathieu Guindon

:+1:

IvenBach

They are boolean return types. I'm using IsTrue or IsFalse as required to test.

Mathieu Guindon

cool stuff!

IvenBach

22:00

While it's not TDD I'm always making sure to test with a known failure before proceeding.

'Act:
Dim actual As Boolean
actual = checker.MinimizesPunchPattern

'Assert:
Assert.IsTrue False 'actual

Red
Green
Refactor

It's helped me catch a few #Oopsies.

Mathieu Guindon

lol

hm, but there's no state or dependencies involved?

Assert.IsTrue False isn't really a red test... it's more like a sabotaged test

the idea for "red" is that MinimizesPunchPattern would be returning False

then you write enough code to make it green

IvenBach

That's to ensure it's red then uncomment for Assert.IsTrue actual to see it go green.

mansellan

Assert.UniverseIsBroken

IvenBach

Assert.MuricaHasPineappleFurAPrez

mansellan

lol

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

22:04

@IvenBach Pineapple fur?

Can I have a hat made out of that?

IvenBach

'@TestMethod("Uncategorized")
Private Sub PanelsWide6_PanelsLong138_StringSize18_MinCant2Point5_MaxCant3Point5_PanelsBetweenColumns10_ReturnsFalse()
On Error GoTo TestFail

'Arrange:
Dim checker As PurlinViabilityChecker
Set checker = PurlinViabilityChecker.Create(6, 138, 18, 2.5, 3.5, 10)

'Act:
Dim actual As Boolean
actual = checker.PassesCriteria

'Assert:
Assert.IsFalse actual

TestExit:
Exit Sub
TestFail:
Assert.Fail "Test raised an error: #" & Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description
End Sub

mansellan

@23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890 this guy did:

IvenBach

IrmaGourd I fail at formatting...

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

@mansellan Is that the Boris?

He looks like a yellow Trump, LOL.

mansellan

@23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890 yes, that's the BoJo.

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

22:06

Not a Brit, but I kind of like how he's trying to actual serious negotiation on the exit now.

mansellan

yep, I'm impressed. He's annoying the left, so he must be doing something right (pun intended!)

...I'll get my coat.

this

Trump and BoJo would hit it off, it looks like.

and i'm sorry, I can't get over it -- a brit named "Boris"?

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

@mansellan LOL.

mansellan

@this ewww... that equivalence has been made before, and it grates. The main difference between the two is that Trump is an idiot, BoJo just pretends to be one.

@this uh, his actual name is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. Not kidding.

this

@mansellan to be honest, I was going off based on the looks solely.

I have no clue about his politics or his demandor

As for name --- still.... Boris is definitely unEnglish name there is

This is a Boris:

:D

mansellan

22:13

heh yeah - he acts just like he looks. but he's actually very intelligent, educated at Eton. It's a carefully crafted image.

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

Yeah, Reagan started that, or so I hear.

mansellan

Trump, well.... I'll self-censor in case he has fans here :-)

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

OTOH, you can't be that much of an idiot if you can single-handly make yourself that much money...

this

a pond of idiots rooting for Trump?!?

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

At least, not in business.

this

22:14

I'm willing to grant that he's at least savvy in business, but business ≠ politics

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

I don't care much for him, and he may well be an idiot at politics, but he's not (or wasn't at one time) a complete idiot about everything.

mansellan

iiuc, he inherited most of it. and had several bankrupcies. and didn't pay a great many contractors. and.... must. self. censor...

this

I heard that he did have bankruptcies but bounced back

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

His companies had bankruptcies, not him personally.

this

that can't be easy feat? (right?)

@23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890 I understood he did go through 2 personal bankruptcies

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

22:16

OTOH, there was actually a question about that on Skeptics, and they concluded he did better than the average business.

@this OK, I'm not an expert on the guy :D

mansellan

^

IvenBach

@this You must go farther down the stupid scale to reach his rooters.

this

lol - you just exhausted my meager knowledge about Trump anyway

@IvenBach see, I think it's KD effect at work.

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

To change the subject, anyone know anything about Kubernetes?

I can't see VBA'ers using it much, TBH.

this

only self-proclaimed smarties root for Trump. Self-proclaimed idiots know better.

:D

I have no clue what Kubernetes is. Is that something similar to Docker?

mansellan

22:18

@this more like service fabric

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

It runs on Docker.

mansellan

micro-service orchestration

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

That ^

mansellan

we're thinking of moving to it

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

The services run on Docker, and Kubernetes controls it.

That's the content of the book I just ordered.

Mathieu Guindon

22:19

Chris would know a bunch about that

mansellan

actually our qaunts already use it. but they're a different silo...

23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890

I want to know a bunch about it :D

IvenBach

IrmaGourd why have I not known about Protection.AllowEditRanges till now? I have been unlocking and locking cells all this time.

Mathieu Guindon

@23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890 aye, it really takes a special kind of smarts to bankrupt a casino

mansellan

@MathieuGuindon you, sir, owe me a new monitor ;-)

IvenBach

22:25

Pineapple upside down ~~cake~~ business.

Mathieu Guindon

@mansellan coffee accident?

mansellan

@MathieuGuindon beer + lol :-)

Mathieu Guindon

mwahaha

TTQW

gosh, very well beyond TTQW

Vogel612

aight... first round of compilation issues around AnnotationType fixed...

now I only need to go through all assemblies that depend on RD.Parsing before I have the chance to run unit-tests...

~sigh

mansellan

22:44

We seem to be getting smaller and smaller units of virtualisation... First machines, then OSs, then services, then functions (that's the serverless thing, right?). What's next, virtual operators?

+= // Delegate to Amazon Web Services...

Vogel612

functions and operators are not fundamentally different

mansellan

@Vogel612 I can see how that would be true. My question would have been better phrased "What's next, is there a lower abstract unit that could be virtualised?"

Note to self: finish comp-sci degree...

Vogel612

no, not really...

where the virtualization happens is the next thing that's going to change though.

mansellan

@Vogel612 intrigued, elaborate please.

Vogel612

nevermind concentrated & colocated server farms, the next "big thing" is probably going to be "edge computing" or "fog computing"

basically instead of having a ton of beefy hardware concentrated in "one location", at least parts of compute will move closer to the end user

stuff like computing on other people's phones is the wet dream of the virtualization /service computing researchers

mansellan

22:56

that makes a ton of sense. all those devices out there at 2% CPU... so this is like grid, but more dynamic?

Vogel612

basically, yes

of course for long-running stuff, heavy server stuff and big data there still will be large datacenters, but ....

mansellan

heh, battery tech gonna need to improve :-) But yes, it makes perfect sense.

Vogel612

JSON over Bluetooth, I guess

IvenBach

@MathieuGuindon #TIL. Catching up on chat.

mansellan

Also: they have to call this thing "fog computing". It's the cloud, but at ground level. Conceptually flawless... :-)

There's something drastically wrong with our reality if that doesn't happen. imho :-)

Vogel612

23:07

yea, it's probably going to be fog computing

edge-computing is usually stopping just short of the end user device

mansellan

To me, edge means "right at the boundary between systems". This is over the edge.

That said, not sure I'm looking forward to it... My phone used to last all day. Now that google are running MapReduce algos on it for half of East Sussex, it drains in half an hour and sets fire to my pocket :-)

Vogel612

meh. For now I'm reasonably sure it's still just a wet dream

mostly because the network overhead is waaaayyy too intense and because the EU has a bare minimum of privacy laws

edge-computing is doable, fog-computing is IMO ethically questionable

mansellan

I'm reasonably sure they won't let it inconvenience actual people. Like maybe "borrowing" 10% CPU.

@MathieuGuindon Should we start a project on AvalonEdit? I'm thinking even a minimal implementation is going to need a tracker?

this

The problem is more that if you're running on my CPU, how do I know that you are not watching what I'm doing on my CPU?

IOW, do you want to donate your CPU to Google?

mansellan

@this I suspect it'll involve encryption and sandboxes.

Vogel612

23:17

@mansellan it's not about the inconveniencing people, though...

this

sorry, no dice.

You're in my bedroom. I'm screwed.

Vogel612

@this that is one aspect, the other aspect is that sandboxing is abstraction and usually these sandboxes are not hard enough to break out of..

mansellan

@this Uh, they own your OS. You've been screwed for a long time.

this

See, the real security is about absence of access.

Vogel612

so watching becomes the least of your concerns

this

23:18

not denial of access.

Vogel612

or rather... watching becomes the thing you do as your device is taken over.

this

you can't circumvent if there's nothing to circumvent.

IvenBach

Our software is without cost. Just let us use your pc while it's 'idle' so we can make use of the free computation cycles.

Vogel612

@IvenBach no, actually, that's not true

and computation cycles are also not free.

mansellan

It's my working assumption that every OS has been owned by some TLA or other. That battle was lost a long time ago.

Mathieu Guindon

23:19

@mansellan sure

Vogel612

TLA?

this

three letter acronyms?

Vogel612

aka. nation level actors?

mansellan

yep

sorry, that's a common meme around here :-)

Vogel612

the protection against nation level actors is not to open the door and make them tea

Mathieu Guindon

23:20

Neolithical Legion of Ants

Oh wait, T not N

Vogel612

it's make it too bothersome for them to look, but not bothersome enough for them to grow suspicious

mansellan

@Vogel612 sure, but did you see snowden? They've walked in, made tea and are currently relaxing in your hottub. Just how it is.

Vogel612

I didn't see snowden and I sure as hell will not do the same for non nation-level actors

this

I'm resigned to the fact that if you want total privacy and nobody in the bedroom, you have to live off grid. Again, the absence of access....

Vogel612

assuming your OS is compromised is one thing, opening it for the world is another

IvenBach

23:23

@23fc9a62-56de-47fb-97b4-737890 you still there? I may be available in about 45 mins to review my code.

this

Surprisingly, Microsoft did just fine after shipping open-to-world OS for a decade or two...

mansellan

@Vogel612 not disputing that. But I think that governments and OS-owners already have all the access they need.

Maybe with perfect opsec one can make it difficult, but that's all.

Vogel612

@mansellan again: why does that want to make you open access to your device for any random person with enough google cloud credit?

mansellan

@Vogel612 Oh sorry. It doesn't. But Google could bury in their EULA that they can use spare compute resources, then sell that compute on the open market. What can you do? Ditch Android, if there's a less obnoxious provider available I guess...

Vogel612

android is opensource.

there are free forks out there

mansellan

23:27

Sure, the Play store isn't...

Vogel612

there are alternatives...

one of them is to get yourself a UMTS card for your laptop and ditch the phone completely

not that I've done that... it's just too much of a hassle to set up :)

mansellan

My point is, governments and (especially) corporates can do increasingly WTF they want. The fight is over...

We lost.

Vogel612

if that were really true, the suicide rate among milennials and younger would probably be a lot higher

this

erm. I'm not sure they give a fig about privacy.

mansellan

Heh, they're too busy posting pictures of their breakfast on Facebook.

this

23:33

^

Vogel612

wow ...

I'm rather very miffed about that statement, actually

this

it is increasingly a thing that people can get fired because they talked nasty about their boss on Facebook or Twitter and their boss then read it

I mean..... if they can't see what's wrong with posting that kind of content....

mansellan

@Vogel612 I apologise if that caused offence.

Vogel612

@this lemme rephrase that...

It's increasingly a thing that bosses invade the semi-private spaces of their employees on social media.

this

Sorry, I don't agree. In some of cases, the bosses were already friends or following. That requires consent on the part of the party

Vogel612

23:36

@this venting on twitter a bit is only a firable offense in countries with crappy labor protection in the first place

this

and if the bosses has to make decisions to fire employees because they're reading the feed, that also speak volume.

the firing is not the point. The point is that they are basically hanging it all out for everyone to see and act surprised that there's consequences.

Vogel612

@this for one: that's not necessarily true (e.g. on twitter the followed person is assumed to be consenting to the following)

this

I said some of cases

mansellan

Yep. Governments have wondered for years how to subtly collect information on their citizens. For years, organisation like the EFF have challenged their methods. Now though, people want to tell the world every second of their existance on social media. For the agencies, problem solved!

Vogel612

@this that's not strictly true either. There's the concept of parasocial relationships, expanding the sphere of "friends" to very much larger scale than previously known

@mansellan actually, for quite many years they had the problem of filtering that data...

this

23:41

Sure, but the consequences will still come. That's always been the case, even before social media was a thing.

If I bad mouth my boss in wide circle, it'll come around

Vogel612

true

this

people should already understand that basic fact and then understand that social media cast much larger circle than otherwise which should mean they should take due responsibiility on what they share.

mansellan

@Vogel612 They have better filters now. Snowden talked of "selectors", which can follow a target through huge swathes of captured big data.

this

Posting their breakfast - cool do what you do like. Posting about their bosses? Are you sure?

Vogel612

yea, see device fingerprinting

@this Not every milennial is media-literate :/

so what?

just another indication that the preceding generation failed to lay useful groundwork for them

this

23:43

No argument there.

mansellan

They also alert on meta - not so much what you're saying, but who you're saying it to, and when, ans where. And the same for those contacts. How many steps removed are you from person X? Degrees of separation...

Excuse me, I need to go to my TFH fitting appointment :-)

Vogel612

@mansellan yea, so? That's not really a new thing...

TFH?

mansellan

Heh, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil_hat

Vogel612

and your generation says mine were too lazy to type.

Mathieu Guindon

@Vogel612 in Canada that's already proven. That and high anxiety and depression.

Vogel612

23:47

welp

mansellan

@Vogel612 Oh. now I feel old...

Vogel612

@mansellan you're probably starting to see the fourty showing up in the calendar, right?

Mathieu Guindon

same here.

Vogel612

folks having their midlife crisis with a new porsche and a divorce

mansellan

I wish... 43 :-(

Vogel612

23:49

well, maybe not a porsche

mansellan

My point was simply, if you want to minimise invasions of privacy, you should probably avoid donating information on social media.

Mathieu Guindon

@Vogel612 nah that was the boomers that had their $30K mortgage paid off at 35

Vogel612

which some people choose to do and some dont...

@MathieuGuindon you're too young, actually...

my parent's generation fits there...

Mathieu Guindon

37, got the kids at 30, house at 35

Vogel612

@mansellan gratz, you could be my dad. You'd have been quick, but...

Mathieu Guindon

23:50

lol

mansellan

@Vogel612 well... my daughter is 29 :-)

(adopted)

this

at a tender age of 14?

:D

Vogel612

@this a tender age of 19...

this

@Vogel612 ? 43 - 29 = 14

mansellan

I adopted her when she was 18 and I was 32.

Vogel612

23:53

@this ohhh. I thought you were talking about me...

this

wow that's quite rare, adopting 18 yrs old

I understand that most adoptions don't happen once a kid get past 2 or 3 years old

mansellan

@this Yep, I'm an odd duck. 22 years between my wife and I.

Vogel612

@this unless marrying people with "preexisting ~~conditions~~ kids"

mansellan

^

this

um, i took that a bit too literally

I don't think of stepchildren as "adopted"

mansellan

23:55

No, I was her stepdad while she was 5 to 18, then I adopted her.

this

Now I gotcha

Vogel612

I assume there is a difference in case of a divorce, huh?

mansellan

@Vogel612 My wife was never married to my daughter's biological father. He abandoned them both when my daughter was one day old.

Go figure...

Vogel612

hang on... you're saying he actually waited for the child to be born before pulling the biggest asshole move one can pull?

wow...

mansellan

@Vogel612 Yep

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