VBA Rubberducking

Mat's Mug

00:11

Who killed @Duga??

@SimonAndréForsberg @Duga's dead?

RubberDuck

He's working on it. She has a memory leak.

Mat's Mug

Poor thing

RubberDuck

I know =(

Mat's Mug

00:47

@Duga get well soon, we miss you!

Mat's Mug

02:39

@RubberDuck did you see this? aivosto.com/project/help/vba-limitations.html

RubberDuck

@Mat I did now!

Mat's Mug

it looks like a real powerful analyzer for variable usage / finding dead code... but seems to not be integrated with the IDE

RubberDuck

> Flag code as live. You can use Project Analyzer's comment directive feature to flag any procedure as live code. You do this by adding '$PROBHIDE DEAD immediately above the Sub or Function line.

Mat's Mug

^^

RubberDuck

I'm glad we weren't the only ones to think it.

Mat's Mug

02:47

their whole analyzer seems to revolve around finding various forms of dead code

v10.2... they've been around.

our inspections go ...beyond that.

but we suck at finding dead code :(

RubberDuck

Damn. Free as in beer.

Closed source.

Ahhh. There's a full version.

Mat's Mug

doesn't look like a COM add-in that integrates into the VBE though

RubberDuck

Have we even tried to find dead code yet?

No. It says it exports the files to work with them.

Mat's Mug

well... I had to disable some of the variable usage inspections, for performance reasons (and because, f*ck, it's hard.. .and doesn't quite work)

our parameter analysis is quite similar

although we need a ByValParameterAssignmentInspection

RubberDuck

cough stealing this feature list cough aivosto.com/project/analyses.pdf

Mat's Mug

02:56

:)

RubberDuck

I think maybe we just need to carefully consider when/where we need to use the full blown parser and when other methods would be better.

Basically, if we don't need the power of the parser, reach for the speed of the VBIDE library.

Mat's Mug

the parser itself isn't the bottleneck - it's how our (my) code works with it. I F'd up somewhere.

> What's up, duck?

^^ on the "News" page

RubberDuck

Lol. Nice!

Oh. Really? You think so? Want an extra set of eyes on it? I can poke it with a stick and see if I notice something Mug.

I probably won't... I'm not good with performance optimizations. Not really.

Mat's Mug

04:11

@RubberDuck mind if I add a feed to your blog on our "news" page? I'd make an "Articles" section.

RubberDuck

09:53

@Mat'sMug Of course not!

Here. I created a category just for Rubberduck news that you can link to. christopherjmcclellan.wordpress.com/category/rubberduck-2

Duga

10:13

@Mat'sMug Missed you too!

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RubberDuck

10:32

Monking @Duga!

Get that memory leak fixed @SimonAndréForsberg?

I should learn java so I can help make Duga better.

I feel bad using it and not contributing.

Simon André Forsberg

@RubberDuck Don't know. I hope so, but it's not sure. I will see.

RubberDuck

I hope so too!

Simon André Forsberg

@RubberDuck Although Open Source projects are meant for shared contribution, don't feel bad for using it but not contributing. I'm sure there's plenty of things that you use but not contribute to!

RubberDuck

Yeah, but it's different when your friend is the one doing all the work on something you use @SimonAndréForsberg.

Simon André Forsberg

In fact, even if you would start to contribute to the Visual Studio IDE or something, then there's a C++ compiler that you're not contributing to, and once you contribute to that there's the Assembly language, and once you do that, there's hardware components, and once you do that....

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@RubberDuck You don't have to feel ashamed/guilty of not contributing. I'm just happy you use it and like it ^^

RubberDuck

10:46

@SimonAndréForsberg You make a good point there..

Duga

11:39

[retailcoder/Rubberduck] ckuhn203 closed issue #269: TODO Explorer should find markers when it's displayed

[retailcoder/Rubberduck] ckuhn203 pushed commit 0fdb2197 to master

> fixes #269; TodoExplorere Refreshes on Show now.

[retailcoder/Rubberduck] ckuhn203 pushed commit 690196e6 to master

> bad practice to directly call an event procedure

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Mat's Mug

@Duga Needs an inspection!

RubberDuck

12:57

Yes it does!

Okay @ducky. It'll get easier to mock the VBE. Honest.

You can get those tests in place this weekend. You can.

Mat's Mug

I need to publish a "Features" page, then I'm letting it be - haven't written a line of C# in way too long! ...a whole 36 hours!

RubberDuck

13:15

Ouch!

Farrrrrrr too long.

Duga

13:50

[retailcoder/Rubberduck] ckuhn203 removed label status-deferred from issue #93: Code Inspection should set a bookmark on each found suggestion

[retailcoder/Rubberduck] ckuhn203 added label status-declined to issue #93: Code Inspection should set a bookmark on each found suggestion

[retailcoder/Rubberduck] ckuhn203 closed issue #93: Code Inspection should set a bookmark on each found suggestion

[retailcoder/Rubberduck] ckuhn203 commented on issue #93: Code Inspection should set a bookmark on each found suggestion

> Done. [Status-Declined]

[retailcoder/Rubberduck] ckuhn203 commented on issue #266: All grid views should be sortable

> Duly noted.

RubberDuck

15:14

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Q: VBA Debug.Print semi colon

What is the actual value/meaning of a semi colon ( ; ) with the Debug.Print statement in VBA? I use this often but have no real understanding of it, all I know is that it isn't equal to the vbTab constant as the spacing isn't the same. i.e. Debug.Print 123;456;789 Debug.Print 123 & vbTab & 456 &...

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Phrancis

15:32

Monking @Duga @all :)

RubberDuck

@Phrancis Monking.

Chrismas007

16:18

@RubberDuck Umm.. nobody uses Debug.Print... I use MsgBox for my debugging :-D

#sarcasm

RubberDuck

@Chrismas007 =)

Even in loopz?

Chrismas007

@RubberDuck Especially in loopz :-P I love stepping through loopz

OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK oh shit

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@RubberDuck There is a mystery person in our chat room

@FreemanHelmuth Hello

RubberDuck

Hello @FreemanHelmuth! How are you?

RubberDuck

16:37

I don't get it. We're friendly... how come people don't say hello?

Mat's Mug

17:00

MEBBE HAZ NO REPZ?

@RubberDuck where did I learn that a comma prints a tab and a semicolon does what these answers say? hmm..

Simon André Forsberg

17:21

Just so you know, @Duga is dead again. Problems not fixed.

@RubberDuck If you want to contribute to @Duga, could you fix the memory issues? :)

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RubberDuck

@SimonAndréForsberg if I had a clue where to start, I'd look.

Mat's Mug

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RubberDuck

@Mat'sMug I'm real close to being able to Moq a DockableWindowControl.

Mat's Mug

oh nice!

RubberDuck

Like everything else, once I get it, the rest should be easy.

Phrancis

17:34

Hey, would either of you mind looking at this issue and provide any feedback you can think of?

Simon André Forsberg

@Duga restarted again.

Mat's Mug

yay!

RubberDuck

17:50

@Phrancis I think you have some good points and suggestions.

Phrancis

Thanks for the input @ducky

@RubberDuck Why are you not using your ducky picture on Github instead of the ugly default gravatar thing?

RubberDuck

@Phrancis idk. Because I hadn't thought about it?

Umm I am. Kind of.

Mat's Mug

caching

> There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things. -- Phil Karlton.

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RubberDuck

@Mat'sMug Yeah, but I changed that... idk how long ago.

Phrancis

Takes a while

Took a couple days for our Cardshifter organization image to show up

RubberDuck

18:05

Looked at this lately Mug? github.com/retailcoder/Rubberduck/graphs/traffic

We get views on the regular.

Mat's Mug

I blame Twitter ;)

we're at 16 followers BTW

oh 3 visitors from twitter

and 5 from rubberduck-vba.com

I just published the features page

Phrancis

@RubberDuck What do you think about this?

Mat's Mug

@RubberDuck where can I get a rss feed of just "rubberduck" entries for your WP?

RubberDuck

@Mat'sMug RSS Feed? ... Not sure. Let me poke around. Features looks good btw. Nice job.

Mat's Mug

thanks!

can't wait to add "Integrated Source Control" in there ;)

RubberDuck

18:12

You & me both!

Perhaps I'm tired of seeing a high rep user answer bad questions. — RubberDuck 51 secs ago

@Mat'sMug here. Anything I post under the Rubberduck category gets posted to this feed. christopherjmcclellan.wordpress.com/category/rubberduck-2/feed

Mat's Mug

oh nice

RubberDuck

Hmmm...

Feeds

RubberDuck has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

RubberDuck

Shameless. I know, but I usually post them here anyway.

Mat's Mug

"uh-oh, we couldn't find your feed"

RubberDuck

18:17

Really?

christopherjmcclellan.wordpress.com/category/rubberduck-2/feed

Mat's Mug

ah, it's the HTTPS

Phrancis

This is sad... just got a company-wide notice from our CEO that the former CEO (who retired last year) just passed this morning... money.cnn.com/2014/08/28/news/companies/ben-benmosche-cancer

Mat's Mug

published!

RubberDuck

Sorry to hear that @Phrancis. Did you guys hear about Leonard Nemoy?

Phrancis

I have not, what about him?

Feeds

18:19

RubberDuck has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Christopher J. McClellan » Rubberduck: Unit Testing and Todo Lists in VBA: Announcing Rubberduck Version 1.0

posted on November 30, 2014 by Christopher J. McClellan

Have you ever wanted to properly unit test your VBA code or simply wished the VBA editor had a Task List window that picked up your Todo comments? The wait is over friends. It’s here. For the last month Mathieu Guindon and I have been working pretty tirelessly on an open source COM Add-in for […]

Christopher J. McClellan » Rubberduck: Test Driven Development in VBA: Eating Our Dogfood

posted on December 14, 2014 by Christopher J. McClellan

You heard me right. TDD in VBA. It’s completely possible. I know because I’ve spent the last two weeks using Rubberduck’s Unit Testing framework doing it. With the release of the first version of our software, it was time to start using it. Time to eat our own dog food, if you will. The results were… disappointing, […]

Christopher J. McClellan » Rubberduck: See a Need, Fill a Need

posted on February 26, 2015 by Christopher J. McClellan

Rubberduck has become an obsession. There have been so many early mornings and late nights that I can't possibly count them. There will be more. Many more. We're only getting warmed up... and I'm going to talk about it anyway. It is an obsession after all. Like any addict, I just can't let it go.

Mat's Mug

yup. got these 3 on the News page

Phrancis

@StackExchange O HAI THER!

RubberDuck

@Phrancis He died. 83 years old.

Mat's Mug

TFL, bbl

Phrancis

> And then there was AIG. Bob was known as “The Man Who Saved AIG,” but if you asked him about it, he said it was the people of AIG who saved this company. He believed in you and got strength from you, when all the while we thought it was the other way around. Bob saw the best in every one of us and helped us have the courage to release the energy, the optimism that led us to where we are today.

^from the email

@RubberDuck Damn that just happened this morning, too...

RubberDuck

18:24

Yeah.

Sad day yo.

Phrancis

Indeed

My wife's pretty shaken, her grandmother just about died of cardiopulmonary arrest last night. She's in ICU now, don't expect her to last much longer

RubberDuck

Aww. I'm sorry man. That's tough buddy.

Phrancis

18:40

Thanks... I was never really close to her grandma so I'm trying to stay out of her family's business for now and just be supportive of my wife

RubberDuck

Yeah. I dread the day when my wife loses someone. She's been lucky so far.

I'm fairly comfortable with it now. It's never easy, but it gets easier.

Oh wow. I just found a application freezing bug in this things.

Phrancis

I hear you. I'm kind of the black sheep in her family, they're all super-religious

I feel they would not be appreciative of my "you just die" perspective, though I find it much more comforting, personally.

<lunch>

Phrancis

19:15

</lunch>

RubberDuck

Welcome back. =)

So, guys, now that I know how to feed wordpress blogs into the room, does anyone have a feed they'd like to see?

Phrancis

So, I've thought of a bit of a Excel VBA challenge I'd like to tackle... care if I gave you a bit of information to point me in the right direction?

RubberDuck

Not at all. Shoot.

Phrancis

We're going to be tackling a data entry project starting next week

We will be getting flat sales files in Excel or CSV format, I think a single sheet with a sale on each row and then basic customer and product information

RubberDuck

Okay. Sounds like data. That's a good start.

Phrancis

19:19

I'd like to make a macro/program that would read one row, display the information in a pop-up type of window, with the information layered in a more readable format (so the data entry user does not have to keep scrolling over to get new values)

RubberDuck

Hmm... access would actually be better, but what you want can be done in Excel too.

Ever created a user form?

Phrancis

Then once the entry is done, clicking OK or whatever would mark that row a different color, or perhaps add a "Completed" value in a separate column

I have not created user forms before

RubberDuck

And automatically shift you to the next row, right?

Phrancis

That would be a nice extra feature, if it were possible

RubberDuck

Access would do almost all of this for you. Does it have to be excel?

Phrancis

19:22

Access is a possibility I guess. My boss is pretty conservative and doesn't know anything about Access so she wanted to stay in Excel, but go on

(I would rather use Access if it's easier, personally)

@RubberDuck Do you know how to add a Twitter feed to a room?

RubberDuck

Well, in Access, you could create a a table based on this csv file. Then have it create a form that displays one record at a time. It would take care of record selection and navigation for you.

Phrancis

Ok

RubberDuck

The process would be, clear the table, import the csv, work through the form, and then export it back out when finished.

Other wise, you'd have to build the form and code entirely on your own in Excel. Much more work.

@Phrancis Unfortunately, no.

Phrancis

Ah, yes that does sound like a lot of work

So Access you can make forms using the UI, I gather? Or do you have to code it?

RubberDuck

One sec.

skiwi

19:27

@Phrancis Might be easier to use @Duga for that, lol

I got frustrated enough by adding Github commit messages in the first place to make the initial version of @Duga

Phrancis

@skiwi I don't know if I want to put more burden on Duga than she already has lol

Plus, I know SE chat supports Twitter feeds, we have one in the 2nd monitor

RubberDuck

You'd have to design it, but the wizard will do 99% of the work for you.

You'd just have to manage getting the data in/out.

Just select the table, click Create, then Form wizard. Select the fields you want and boom.

You're done.

Phrancis

Damn that looks easy, let me try it

RubberDuck

19:47

@Mat'sMug check it out!

somsubhra.com/github-release-stats

Version 1.1 had 45 downloads!

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Duga

[retailcoder/Rubberduck] retailcoder opened issue #271: Test Method Stubs could be improved

> Add > Test Method currently adds the following snippet: '@TestMethod Public Sub TestMethod1() 'TODO: Rename test On Error GoTo TestFail Arrange: Act: Assert: Assert.Inconclusive TestExit: Exit Sub TestFail: If Err.Number <> 0 Then Assert.Fail "Test raised an error: #" & Err.Number & " - " & Err.description Else Resume TestExit End If End Sub The If Err.Number <> 0 Then condition under the TestFail label will always evaluate to True, therefore the TestFail part should only...

contain this line: Assert.Fail "Test raised an error: #" & Err.Number & " - " & Err.description --- The Add > Test Method (Expected Error) snippet is fine. '@TestMethod Public Sub TestMethod2() 'TODO: Rename test Const ExpectedError As Long = 0 'TODO: Change to expected error number On Error GoTo TestFail Arrange: Act: Assert: Assert.Fail "Expected error was not raised." TestExit: Exit Sub TestFail: If Err.Number <> ExpectedError Then Resume Assert Else Resume TestExit End If End Sub

[retailcoder/Rubberduck] retailcoder added label enhancement to issue #271: Test Method Stubs could be improved

[retailcoder/Rubberduck] retailcoder added label unit-testing to issue #271: Test Method Stubs could be improved

Mat's Mug

@RubberDuck woah!

5 downloads of 1.2 already (including mine)

@Duga are the Arrange/Act/Assert labels useful or annoying?

RubberDuck

@Mat'sMug I'd like to get to a point where that's configurable.

Mat's Mug

except the expected error snippet is using them (well the Assert label at least)

RubberDuck

If (UnitTestLabelsOn) {...}

True.

Personally, I like them, but not everybody would.

I like the idea of being able to insert minimal snippets for them.

Phrancis

19:54

@Mat'sMug MOAR LABELZ

RubberDuck

@Phrancis It's a frickin' rainbow.

Phrancis

in TCG Creation, Feb 16 at 22:56, by Simon André Forsberg

I don't think I have ever used that many labels on a single issue before.

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Mat's Mug

@Phrancis now I'm glad I went with boring-gray labels ;)

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Phrancis

^that

@RubberDuck is the feed from your news page just a plain old RSS feed?

RubberDuck

@Phrancis Yeah. Plain old rss feed from my wordpress.

Phrancis

19:58

Look at this

Is it just a matter of getting the URL from the "Subscribe" link and adding it into the room as a feed?

Mat's Mug

yes

but how do you get that twitter feed for the account you want?

Phrancis

labnol.org/internet/twitter-rss-feed/28149

Just found that

Mat's Mug

lol, was just going to say the silence is eloquent ;)

skiwi

RSS and Atom feeds are a hell in the SE chat imo

Mat's Mug

why?

Phrancis

20:06

Guess it makes sense for Twitter to drop RSS support for all general users, and only allow a widget for the users that actually use RSS feeds

skiwi

@Mat'sMug Because they never did what I wanted when I used them

Feeds

20:28

RubberDuck has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

#Roslyn team does not disappoint :D http://t.co/3IerpLO0dN

Tweeted by samharwell on February 23, 2015 at 10:36 PM

I woke up this morning planning to work out a few #bugs, but it seems @rubberduckvba beat me to them all. Guess I'll just enjoy this #coffee

Tweeted by Rubberduck203 on February 25, 2015 at 11:35 AM

Rubberduck 1.2 pre-release is out! Programming in #VBA will never be the same, try it now: https://github.com/retailcoder/Rubberduck/releases/tag/v1.2-pre.2

Tweeted by rubberduckvba on February 25, 2015 at 6:53 PM

http://www.rubberduck-vba.com is live! There's not much there yet really, but still... #makesmyday

Tweeted by rubberduckvba on February 26, 2015 at 6:33 AM

@rubberduckvba See a need. Fill a need. https://christopherjmcclellan.wordpress.com/2015/02/26/see-a-need-fill-a-need/

Tweeted by Rubberduck203 on February 26, 2015 at 9:45 PM

Mat's Mug

nice!

woah

RubberDuck

Woah. Spam much @StackExchange?

Mat's Mug

"See a need. Fill a need." @RubberDuck you have no idea how many times I've seen that Robots movie in the past.... 6 months or so ;)

RubberDuck

@Mat'sMug Yes I do.

About as many times as I have.

That and Bolt and Wreck it Ralph.

Mat's Mug

:)

RubberDuck

20:38

It's funny, since this project started, I no longer argue with the kids when they want to watch a movie. It means I can sit down in the recliner with the laptop while they giggle at the tv.

Mat's Mug

lol

...same here

Phrancis

WHY DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT ACCESS FORMS UNTIL JUST NOW!?!?

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(thanks ducky that was super-freaking easy)

RubberDuck

21:15

You're welcome @Phrancis. You just made my day man.

Mat's Mug

#makesmyday

Phrancis

21:48

@RubberDuck The amount of work you just saved us is monumental.

We can just print those out, 2 rows per page, hand them over to the data entry ladies, and call it a day!

RubberDuck

@Phrancis I'm just glad someone appreciates me. It's been a bad day.

skiwi

@Phrancis Printing??

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Phrancis

@skiwi IKR. It would go in print anyways, but it's that or printing a wide spreadsheet on a giant piece of paper

RubberDuck

smh

So.. let me get this straight.

Phrancis

I told them years ago they would save so much $ in paper expenses if they just got a 2nd monitor for data entry people

skiwi

21:51

On my part-time job I was working on a paperless office... wasn't bad

RubberDuck

They're going to take some data, print it out, and have someone hand type it in?

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Phrancis

@RubberDuck Yep.

It's temporary

RubberDuck

LOL. Okay. So long as it's temporary.

And like, actually temporary. Not "temporary".

Phrancis

They need to set up the streams so it can go into our data import system

Well, they say Temporary, we're not sure yet how "temporary" it will be. They said a couple of months

RubberDuck

So, it's not.

Come on man. I know how your IT dept. is.

Don't bullshit a bullshitter.

Just take your nifty little Access database and build something to pipe it in.

It'll be fine... IT never even has to know.

Mat's Mug

21:54

@Phrancis 2nd Monitor does not improve productivity. I know ;)

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oh wait...

lol

Phrancis

Little double-entendre there

RubberDuck

@Mat'sMug Wrong second monitor.

Mat's Mug

@Phrancis double-sens ou sous-entendu? ..or just double-ping? lol

Phrancis

@RubberDuck ~~I'm sure IT wouldn't notice or mind if I opened my own ODBC connection straight into production to feed these in!~~ I'll cross my fingers that IT gets it done timely.

@Mat'sMug double-sens

RubberDuck

22:19

lol. That's almost precisely how I got my current job @Phrancis.

Phrancis

The one thing that's keeping me on my toes now is that I have not seen what the data looks like. That's usually when I SMH. Although by now I'm getting pretty good at fixing f'd up data.

Mat's Mug

22:48

TTFGH

Phrancis

Beer. That is all.

RubberDuck

I'll second that.

Phrancis

23:05

TTQW

Thanks again @ducky :)

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