@MathieuGuindon wtf did i just read

i've never seen lolcode before, so yeah... that was... interesting?

So yeah, FizzBuzz =)

@this Sometimes you gotta pull a nail...

Writing PHP will likely make you yank your own nails out...

Can anyone tell me why did Sky TV and British Satellite Broadcasting had 50:50 merger when Sky clearly had way more dishes installed than BSB in the ratio of 9:1

I mean I know they both were making millions of losses every week but still Sky had more market share

So why would they go for 50:50 merger?

I'm sure somebody could, but that person likely doesn't hang out in this chat room.

(TBH, we've probably covered weirder topics, though...)

@Rohan Without knowing the details about the two companies, in an M&A deal regarding post-competition, you would have a board declaration to negotiate and it typically starts with 60:40 regardless of marketshare. depending on what other acquisitions were in the works, and to not sully those waters, exceeding 60:40 is very risky, so the end being 50:50 DIRECT SHARE isn't that weird

note that DIRECT SHARE is purely about market, not what will be collected as an aside, nor diluted shares

my input is based on experience with international M&A for pharmaceutical drugs and inventory management

2x china, 13x us, 4x uk, 2x germany, 1x sa, and 1x italy

i can't claim to have knowledge on a recent A for australia

@Cyril can you explain this in detail?

Possibly hard negotiating.

About "...that DIRECT SHARE is purely about market, not what will be collected as an aside, nor diluted shares"

I was somewhat involved in a similar thing at my old work.

The owner retired and sold the company to a competitor.

Both companies were about the same size employee-wise. We both had several large clients in our area of interest, but the other company had more products.

We did a roughly 50-50 because we had some processes they wanted and our management negotiated hard in the sale.

The other company ended up owning the whole thing (it was all private), but internally the processes were merged roughly 50-50.

so we're looking at 1B shares for the new IPO, 900M shares for A, 200M shares for B. overall, ~2B shares in the market, where the % company control is diluted for original A and B shares

So are you saying that 50:50 was just on paper but in actual they maintain initial interests?

i own 51% of company A, i control voting share... now my 360M shares are being diluted by another 1B shares... the "new" owners, typically a mixed board of the previous, will total to >51% of the new IPO

@Rohan that's where it gets really, really wonky. there're finance books on it, but i'm being very gross with my generalizations

@Hosch250 that's actually really hard to do, and typically costs about as much money to maintain as the buy would be

so good on them, hosch

Part of the deal was the owner took the money and left, but the two managements merged.

back to the Direct shares (the ones available once the new IPO hits the market, meaning they have X dollars available to levee against stocks to be bought)

outside of the IPO generation, there is typically other give/take; similar to Hosch's situation, the business processes will either stay or be acquired by one of the previous two companies. those can be negotiated outside of the M&A agreement, thus a separate money. if you have physical hardware (in my experience manufacturing equipment), those can be bought by the larger company so their software/etc. can be installed, whereas the smaller company will get paid to install the software/etc.

If i agree to spend 4M to buy all of your equipment, I will pay you 5M over 10 years to transition your equipment to my standards. that 1M is typically supported by lots of financial stuffs to show a desired margin over the ROI

so at the end of the day, the merger is 50:50... there are just other cogs moving at different paces

And... I was wrong. Never said that before :/

@FreeMan lol

Any idea where I can find detailed report of this merger?

if the merger has been agreed, they should have shareholder portfolios on either of the original company's websites

i believe both of those companies are publicly traded, so it would be a requirement to divulge information

So given 3 course of action i.e. fight sky, merge or exit I believe merging with sky was the best option for BSB since SKY was making huge losses and so was BSB but BSB had deep pockets but Sky's parent company News Corp didn't had much to support the operations

Probably, yeah.

Especially for the employees. Any other options would've resulted in a lot of job loss. This way, at least it's delayed, and probably not as much.

How did this come up anyway? Do you work for one of them?

@Hosch250 i was also wondering how the inquiry came up lol

@Rohan ^

Wait, is this PrisonMike renamed?

I can't remember his logo :(

I guess they left the room.

yeah, tagged them in case they get a chance to answer

no idea who prison mike is

Another user who shows up randomly.

This chat features random encounters. At least one occasion, we've had a troll appear.

Maybe one day you'll encounter a dragon!

@this i think @Hosch250 knows lol

@Hosch250 i just started reading clean code and in the foreward he starts talking about 5S and i might kill someone.

nothing i hate more than 5S... frickin toyota

5S?

Isn't that supposed to be six sigma?

very similar

LOL.

used to be 5S til about 2005 when they implemented a 6th S

......

now I wish I didn't ask.

I never got my green belt, but i've had yellow belts at damn near every frickin company i've been at. you really learn to hate it when forced to teach it to people when you know the inherent flaws

@IvenBach thank you for categorizing my psychosis

We've all been there before. Then a legitimate expert corrected our 'knowledge'.

Except Mug. He's always written flawless code. :wink:

^^^ LOL

@Hosch250 visit-pond-for-3-years will be mine come 2020.

Although in the interim I've read that book and a couple others.

How's C# In Depth going?

I just read the fourth addition as prep for my exam, and it was surprising how much I'd remembered.

At page 150s.

Haven't touched it in weeks because of school.

@Cyril Well, it might have flaws, but having it is apparently less flawed than not having it, or Toyota would've never kept it.

Of course, it needs to be customized per company, and a lot of them don't, I bet.

Iterators is something VBA doesn't expose. Taking it very slow to make sure I grok everything properly.

That was tough the first time through too.

It's almost as complex as async/await.

Winter break is decompress time for me. Way too much went on this semester.

Not enough RD time leaves me feeling like I've not learned enough WRT to coding and best practices.

Actually knowing how to unit test features I add is what I feel I need to understand. Including those tests will increase my confidence what I did is correct and haven't omitted anything.

@Hosch250 that's the ticket

@IvenBach How'd you do?

i didn't realize how much shit on had on my cube walls until they just asked me to take everything down because they're vacuuming the walls this weekend

that even feels weird to type... lol

@Hosch250 I still have a week left. Almost done.

Cool.

I’ll pass my classes. Don’t feel I’ve understood the material well enough though.

That's roughly how college was for me, too.

It gave me a glimpse into how much there was, but there was never enough time to cover it all.

And that was even with getting straight A's...

Yeah, pretty much:

I had a presentation on Wednesday. Didn't understand the material well and it went poorly. I've forgotten a lot of undergrad material simply because I don't/can't use it.

@this I still hold to my adage that 'The only information that's safe is what you don't tell anyone.' Even writing it down it's not safe.

^

Keeping it written down in a locked safe inside your house is safe(r) than posting it on the interwebs. But it's still accessible.

but you can't get very far. Imagine running a bank that way.

Thank you for opening an account with SecureBank. Your new account number will not be disclosed for security purposes.

Have to cost-benefit analysis how much exposure you want.

^^ LOL.

It's so secure that nobody can get in it, on the account that nobody knows how!

I'm sorry, ma'am, our systems will not tell us whether you are in fact a customer of our bank. Would you like to open a new account?

this: I'd like to make a withdrawl from my account.
bank: And you account number is???
this: You said you couldn't disclose it for security reasons.
bank: Correct.
this: Um.... what about deposits? If I don't have the number can I still give you money?
bank: Yes. Why yes you can :smirk:

:D

So yeah, not very viable security model.

I saw a show with a celebrity and a fan of theirs. They'd ask them a question to see who could answer it faster. The questions were random and obscure: "What was your 2nd grade teachers name?" or "The name of your childhood pet." and the fan got more of them correct than the celebrity.

That's horrible

SMH at security questions: "Elementary school attended." "Childhood friends name" etc...

^ When I can, I lie

But the problem with lying is that you have to remember what you lied about

^ Which is why I never lie.

LOL

But boy can I swear like a sailor!

Vulgarity filled passwords abound.

My childhood friend's middle name: ***** ***** ******** **** **** ****** **** *****

@this That's why I make up random answers and store them, with the password in KeePass.

@this --- .. .- -. ..- --. --.- -..- ..- .. -.

that'd make for an interesting phone conversation

Company: Passwords must be between 8-16 characters.
Iven: WTF is your problem company? Why limit my swearing?

I have to verify your identity. What is your childhood friend's middle name?

Haha.

Then they get cursed out--and let them in...

@FreeMan but is it easy to access? What if your phone isn't on the person?

@Hosch250 :Bingo:

@this Then I don't get in.

@this Oh... I've missed reading those lately. Thanks for the reminder.

I keep the KeePass database in my Dropbox, so I can access it via home computer, phone, laptop or any random internet connected machine.

but.... it can be stolen

There are a few passwords I do know. They're loooong and meaningful to me.

It can, but the master password is... 30+ characters or so.

it'll take a bit to brute force it because there's nothing much in there that would fit the average hackers predefined MCU password list.

I suppose so but you're still trusting that they won't be able to either 1) hack it outright or 2) circumvent it.

Ya gotta put your trust somewhere...

90% of the security is in denying them the access to the sensitive material, including the database itself

Hence why you should bank with SecureBank.

AKA the stocking under the pillow?

Until someone gives themselves a five-finger discount?

according to howsecureismypassword.net, it's 2 DUODECILLION YEARS to brute force it.

uh, did you type in the plaintext?

if so, congrats, they now know your password

@this adds "transferring accounts" to the top of the Saturday to-do list

LOL

@this yeah. now they gotta find the device

adds "change master password" as second item on the Saturday to-do list

See, that's why I'm gonna move out to a mountain cabin off the grid one day. Preferably before we get to the Minority Report level of survelliance/privacy invasion/hacking/what-have-yous

@this I've not seen the movie, but I get the feeling that England is already at that level. There are some many in high-ranking positions today who would dearly love that.

^ "in the US" implied, but left out.

We're from the government and we're here to help! Here's your new blanket!

^ Worst phrase to ever hear from an official.

Reagan quote?

the first one is, yes. I added on the 2nd one.

and no, not just for elected but any official, elected or not.

Thank you to help correct/refactor my snide remark.

I believe the full Reagan quote was actually The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

Hrm... I wonder what @ComIntern would say if he were around.

He's been off grid for a while again.

I think he'd be shouting GLORY TO THE MOTHERLAND! or something.

LOL.

Probably got sent to the Room 101 for some re-education on the account of hanging out with us too much.

@this Can you hear The Motherland Calling

Of course not. I'm deaf.

I feel bad forgetting that.

Don't. I love that joke.

As a friend of mine like to say - ambiguity are the tools of humor, poetry and politics.

Mkay. As long as it's not an actual offense taken.

Nah. You'll know if I'm offended and it takes some effort to actually offend me.

At a restaurant I pulled my daughter out of the walkway entrance to a restaurant for a blind person exiting. Told my daughter he uses his cane to help him know where to go. For whatever reason he took offense to it and bitterly said "I'm not a zoo exhibit".

Oh. Wow.

Caught me off guard as it was a factual/informative learning experience for her that went south.

Yeah, that is totally unreasonable of him, TBH.

'Sorry you feel that way' was my response. Can't help it if he's upset about it.

^ That's his choice to get offended.

His grandson apologized as he walked past.

I'm assuming it was his grandson. He was part of the group.

IrmaGourd clock, go faster! 3 hours 12 mins. Finals have me anxious.

Iven will be checking out right now lest he divert chat and ramble. Enjoy the weekend ducks.</iven>

The results for Find Symbol. I use NotSet as a default value for enumerations.

When searching for NotSet I'm taken to an enumeration where it is defined. As it is defined within multiple enumerations I'd expect a list of results. Similar to what occurs for RightClick (ContextMenu)>Rubberduck>Find All References.

Is there a reason this doesn't occur?

@IvenBach NotSet used alone without a qualifier (the Enum type) would be ambiguous then, no? Does shift+F2 / goto definition take you to the same place?

In any case, the identifier NotSet cannot possibly simultaneously refer to Foo.NotSet and Bar.NotSet

You'd need a Public Const for that, and then each NotSet enum member would be e.g. NotSet = Constants.NotSet

and then refs to NotSet would (should) list all usages of the NotSet constant... but the symbol Foo.NotSet is not the same as Bar.NotSet

If you want text search, use Ctrl+F =)