Hub of Reason

mfg

18:00

if you look at the case of the cooking.se user he had lifted multiple questions (verbatim in many cases) for the purpose of rep farming

jjnguy

@mfg Did that user get banned?

mfg

im not sure, it wasn't personal on my part and i let the mods do what they do

to be sure he disappeared

jjnguy

@mfg Ok

Whenever I type @mfg it looks like omfg

mfg

yeah, thats what i wanted to grab for my domain, but had to go with nomfg

Yasir Arsanukaev

0

Q: Looking for a good athiest childrens book or book series

Hey I was thinking something along the lines of His Dark Materials or something similar. While not exactly "atheist" explicitly had some pretty awesome themes relating to religion and control. While it is definitely not something for the younger kids but, probably good for the "Young Adult". But ...

mfg

18:05

dupe

1

Q: Parenting book recommendations

Can anybody recommend any interesting books on parenting from the nonbeliever's perspective? I'm currently reading "Parenting Beyond Belief: On Raising Ethical, Caring Kids Without Religion" by Dale McGowan and would be interested in other books that people have found useful.

children parenting resources-references books

i suppose his is asking for a book for the kid, and the other is asking for a book for the parent

i dont know, i almost dont want to flag it for CW b/c if the mods are getting flooded with CW questions it worries me how they will handle the site. (but im in the anti-polling camp)

Evan Carroll

Which btw, is a camp that I named...

Yasir Arsanukaev

So am I.

Evan Carroll

welcome to my fan club on atheism.stackexchange.com

ThisIstheId

I support this camp, but I wonder why the camp isn't equally vocal about all polls

mfg

it seems many people are vocal, but its almost ceaseless

Yasir Arsanukaev

18:12

/me does better-english.com/grammar/sodoi.htm

ThisIstheId

but it would be easy to commandeer five people to close anything if the camp is this popular

Evan Carroll

Question proposal: Anyone think it is funny that samharris.com is a gospel singer, and samharris.org a prominent atheist author?

Better.

Josiah

START THE FUCKING POGROMS ALREADY

post link to bad question, have discussion

jjnguy

@Josiah I don't understand.

Yasir Arsanukaev

:D

jjnguy

18:16

@Josiah Oh

Pogrom

:For the volcano in the Aleutian Islands, see Pogromni Volcano. A pogrom () is a form of violent riot, a mob attack, either approved or condoned by government or military authorities, directed against a particular group, whether ethnic, religious, or other, and characterized by killings and destruction of their homes and properties, businesses, and religious centres. The term usually carries connotation of spontaneous hatred of majority population against certain (usually ethnic) minority, which they see as dangerous and harming the interests of majority. The term was originally used to d...

mfg

aaaah

jjnguy

I wish you could retract close votes.

I shouldn't have vote-to-close power on Atheism.

mfg

theres always vote to reopen, i just wish when peoples questions get closed they would edit them

Yasir Arsanukaev

-6

A: What is the proven fact to support the argumentation that God does NOT exist?

There is no proof either way. The Bible agrees with this: ... he that cometh to God must believe (Hebrews 11:6) The Bible makes no effort to prove itself, it simply states: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. (Psalm 14:1) Then it becomes a question of which option makes ...

mfg

@jjn can you delete your comment about the dupe, or is it fixed b/c it was auto-posted by the system?

jjnguy

18:22

@mfg Deleted. I didn't know i could do that.

Yasir Arsanukaev

Num of votes (+4 up). There are other preachers?..

mfg

your vote is still in there but oh well

Yasir Arsanukaev

1 hour ago, by jjnguy

As a rule of thumb: If your answer has a bible quote in it, it is wrong.

Heh indeed.

Evan Carroll

Hahahha

Yasir Arsanukaev

It's crappy that it's 4:28 am here. Laterz chaps.

jjnguy

18:27

C ya

@Borror0 pointed out that bible verses can actually be a good example to refute religion sometimes though.

mfg

its crappy that it isnt 428 here, oh you said am. ugh

jjnguy

I wish it were 4:28pm here. Time to go home!

Evan Carroll

I'm amazed that this question wasn't allowed atheism.stackexchange.com/questions/1614/…

Out of all of the questions wrongly closed that one takes the cake.

Borror0

2

A: Looking for a good athiest childrens book or book series

I hated that series. Such a promising start, and then downhill for every successive book. The third book was extraordinarily irritating, and it always surprises me when someone says, "It's not overtly anti-religious!" That's like saying the Chronicles of Narnia isn't overtly religious. Just becau...

How the fuck is that answer upvoted?

jjnguy

@EvanCarroll I didn't like that one. I don't feel that it has much to do with Atheism.

Borror0

18:29

It's not even an answer

Evan Carroll

@jinguy but it does... and it's core.

And, it's a superset of "evidence of the non-existence of god"

and, without understanding that you'll never understand the latter.

questions pertaining to materialism, ontology, and epistemology are some of the more valid and entertaining questions; and as far as those go, that question is prime.

mfg

@EvanCarroll im not for it having been closed, but it was worded terribly. he should have done an edit that reworked his opening. it was verbose and didn't really nail his question to the wall

jjnguy

@Evan, well knowing how to type is a superset of knowing how to program. And you can't program if you can't type. But, we don't allow beginner typist questions on SO. (Is that a good example)

Evan Carroll

Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of hearing the claim "You can't know something does not exist," because it makes lame assumptions about what I'm claiming to know and presumes a level of skepticism that I'd rather not accept.

Josiah

@jjnguy Essentially, I've realized how moronic most of my answers were. We should decide what's okay and what isn't and go through and fucking terrorize with close votes.

ThisIstheId

18:35

@mfg That's why I think there should be a more clear notice about how to go about reopening a question via an edit.

Evan Carroll

Closing questions like that is really shitty, I've asked about this before - I want that question open, and I want it to not be CW.

mfg

yeah, ive posted to the meta on it and in comment sections, but i think that a lot of the question askers are too wedded to their questions or wont take ownership or something

Josiah

@jjnguy, The one you disagreed with isn't one of the moronic ones.

Evan Carroll

It's too good of a question to lose to shitty verbiage.

Josiah

Evan, then fix it.

You can do that.

mfg

18:36

@EvanCarroll your right about it not being a CW, it deserves a proper answer; but everything loses to shitty verbiage

Borror0

@EvanCarroll Repost it, with better wording.

jjnguy

@Josiah Ha, ok. I didn't think it was moronic either. just wrong :P

Josiah

lies!

Evan Carroll

I suppose if I fixed it, it would not be the original question -- but it would have the original "title".

Maybe he is title-squatting ;)

mfg

if an author can't focus his audience on what he's saying, why would you expect the audience to return the focus and provide experrt answers?

2

Evan Carroll

18:37

That's probably how I should look at this.

Josiah

If it has the same meaning, but is on topic.

ThisIstheId

I know you've posted, and I've been too busy to actually rework my question, but I think the information should be made more available, maybe that guy never read what to do.

Yea I think that's reasonable, so long as you can interpret the long question he originally laid out accurately.

Wow, bad sentence parsing.

mfg

true, true; i'd like us to reach some consensus on having a link that people can reference on closing - reasons for closing, reopening, the importance of editing, etc

Evan Carroll

I think I'm going to expand on my rational and linguistic defense to knowing something does not exist, and then ask that same question again and self-answer.

Josiah

@Evan, CHRISTIAN SPY!

ThisIstheId

18:38

Yea, I think that's reasonable, so long as you can accurately interpret the long question he originally laid out*

Evan Carroll

I don't care about the question he originally laid out, just the title.

"How can you know something does not exist?"

ThisIstheId

Fair enough. But presumably that is the question he originally laid out.

jjnguy

"How do you know there is no cereal?" - Um, cuz there is no cereal in the fucking box.

ThisIstheId

Or at least the one he tried to.

Borror0

@mfg, by the way, when you close a question that you think can be improved, leave a comment. If someone does improve his question, you'll get a warning if he comments he improved it. You probably know that already, but it's worth mentioning.

mfg

18:41

ive never gotten a warning actually

Evan Carroll

Neither have I.

I just got banned and censored.

mfg

4

Q: Is it possible to get an Edit notification on questions that I Vote-to-close?

When a user votes to close a question (for whatever reason), it would helpful to receive a notification (in the inbox) when the question is edited (either the text, tags, if it closes then is re-opened) so that the user can then modify his or her vote if the question is properly adjusted.

feature-request vote-to-close notifications edit

Evan Carroll

There is also no penis envy here, but this is bull shit atheism.stackexchange.com/questions/1271/…

mfg

do you get notified by the author or by the inbox?

Evan Carroll

That question is categorically not deserving of 17 upvotes, nor the answer of 32 upvotes.

mfg

18:43

@Evan yeah, but terseness for a fluff question is typically best

Borror0

Jeff tweeted it

That's why it got so many upvotes

mfg

ha

Evan Carroll

It's sad that the question/answer lead the pack on this site: on fairness I upvoted both but that's crap.

Leave it to Jeff, I assume Lauren Ipsum is an "acquittance".

Borror0

What do you mean, @Evan?

Evan Carroll

Borror0, that they're trite and of little substance or thought.

They get upvotes because people identify with them, and understand them fully.

Like Kim Kardashian... or, Lindsey Lohan.

Borror0

18:46

@mfg You get notified in your inbox if someone comments on a question you commented. So, if the author comments "I improved my question" you will get notification.

mfg

oh ok, yeah; i want a feature where if i vote to close, and they submit an edit i can revisit the question without them @mfg 'ing

and i want to be able to lift my vote

Borror0

@EvanCarroll Jeff tweeted the question, not the answer. Lauren Ipsum got the most upvotes because her answer is "trite and of little substance or thought" and that's the kind of answer that get upvotes here.

mfg

and a jetpack, which has already been discussed

its not even an interesting question, but i guess we look like a supportive community?

jjnguy

I think it makes the community look heartless...(the top answer)

Borror0

I'm tempted to start a question on meta where we posts lousy populist answers so we can block downvote them.

jjnguy

18:49

@Borror0 That really isn't in the spirit of the network.

Evan Carroll

What is jeff's twitter?

Does he talk about me?

jjnguy

@EvanCarroll Sorry, but no. He doesn't talk about you

@codinghorror

Evan Carroll

Can you even search twitter?

hrm.

jjnguy

@EvanCarroll Yeah

Evan Carroll

He talks about me on his blog.

I know that.

Borror0

18:50

@jjnguy This is beta. We need to trim the community. We don't want the site to be about "bashing theists for being stupid" - otherwise, why bother with it being a Stack Exchange?

Josiah

@jjnguy, why do you project so much harm on a Christian for having one atheist friend?

jjnguy

@Borror0 I agree that we shouldn't bash theists for being stupid.

@Josiah I don't understand your question.

Borror0

@jjnguy So, if the top answers are always "well, obviously, theists are stupid and we're like paragons of reasons, dude" is that a good thing?

Josiah

Saying that Lauren's or my reply would be heartless.

@Borror0, well....it's true at least...

@jjnguy, I think that's most of the difference in our answers. You think it would be much more troubling for them than I do.

jjnguy

@Josiah I wouldn't predict that much (or any) harm coming from either of your replies. But I like to play it safe I guess.

Josiah

18:55

Fair enough.

jjnguy

@Borror0 Of course not.

K, meeting time. I have to go. Feel free to bash me behind my back. I'd love the attention! ;)

Borror0

@jjnguy Well, that's my point. There's a good number of answers that are like that. Many of them are not even answering the question.

jjnguy

@Borror0 An answer should always answer the question directly.

Borror0

@jjnguy So, what's the right thing to do when an answer has the most upvotes but doesn't answer the question?

mfg

I don't think there is recourse for answers that get there, unless it is truly noise. on the other hand, i do think we need higher standards for question asking; we've been struggling with that since day one

how to get people to ask expert-level questions that are interesting to experts and keep them around

if you do that, the noise gets filtered out organically instead of by flags or whatever

im curious if there is a need for atheism experts, because if there isnt the supply will likely dwindle.

> Watch for and discourage pedestrian questions early in the beta. Certainly, questions of all levels are welcome… but not in the earliest, most formative days of the site. These questions may someday become wildly popular, so politely — very politely — invite those users to ask their questions again after the expertise of the site has been established.

> Top blogs, best books, buying recommendations: those are not the hallmarks of expertise. They’re the seeds of the merely curious. A site filled with these sorts of idle, pedestrian questions will never attract the core of experts it needs to survive.

> from blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/12/…

Evan Carroll

19:03

I like to define expert questions in relation to my own.

Borror0

Having good answers at the top and bad answers at the bottom is also important. If you put time to write a very thorough answer to the question, and it's an off-topic answer that is at the top, that's very frustrating. If people who put efforts into writing good answers feel they're wasting their time, we got a problem too.

mfg

i totally agree on that. i also feel like there should be areas where a few answers, proposing different perspectives, are crowded out by the +1s and me toos and the garbage answer 2 cents

Borror0

If we don't kill those early in beta answers, Atheism.SE will be an echo chamber for dumb anti-theists.

Josiah

So do we just get mean?

Evan Carroll

hrm.. that's amusing.

Josiah

19:08

We have a really active chat with a lot of people that are active on the QA site proper.

We can, as a group, make it look like anything we want to really.

Evan Carroll

I just noticed how strongly I identify with being "anti-theism", and how much I abhor "anti-theists"

Josiah

It creeps me out a bit to think that there's a small group of people that mostly agree that can have huge impact on the site, but, well, that's how it's designed.

Why the dislike for anti-theists?

mfg

only for the time being in beta

Borror0

@Josiah That's my point but I got told that it's "not really in the spirit of the site"

mfg

that huge impact will be dispersed one rep level reqs go up

Evan Carroll

19:10

Because, it like hating people for having AIDs. Even if you can accredit it to lethargy and ignorance, it hardly make it a more productive pursuit.

I hate the belief system, not the believer.

Josiah

I think you're probably switching targets.

Evan Carroll

I suppose I want "anti-theism"-ism, to be different from "anti-theist"-ism

Josiah

Anti-theist, not to the ignorant and needy, but the well educated and intelligent.

Some people genuinely throw away their intellect and reason.

They piss me off.

Evan Carroll

I still don't hate them, any more than I hate a tea partier.

And, i don't hate tea partiers.

Josiah

You don't have to hate them to be against their position.

Evan Carroll

19:12

I'm not "against" them though.

Josiah

better?

Why did robert add a note it's from wikipedia, then remove it? atheism.stackexchange.com/questions/1539/…

Borror0

0

A: Rewarding plagiarizers is a bad idea.

Evan, you're a top-ranking contributor to this site and someone who seems to have better ideas than most about what should (and should not) be on this site. So, your ideas (and flags) carry a lot of weight. If you asked to have the post deleted, I would have deleted it; It was not compliant. Your...

Josiah

ah

mfg

19:29

Although I don't feel a heavy handed approach is best, I hadn't realized that the answer contains no original material. It seems reasonable to strip the rep, though it also seems like a harsh way of welcoming someone to the site.

i still don't know what i would do if it were my choice, but i havent been in that spot before. i suppose that i would strip the rep, and basically let that be a warning shot

it's only one questions worth of rep

Josiah

Plagiarizing from wikipedia is hardly something that should be rewarded.

3

It should be deleted, that's all.

It's on wikipedia, the right googling will find it.

Borror0

@mfg To put it in perspective, that "one answer" is worth 19% of your reputation

mfg

right, i think the attrib should be made and it should be CW'ed

Ustice

You can always quote wikipedia, and link to the article. There is no need to copy it.

Borror0

Exactly

Josiah

19:32

I think it should just be killed. It doesn't really belong.

A link would do fine, and won't become stale.

unless wikipedia blows up

mfg

ha

Evan Carroll

@Josiah I tend to agree in light of a technical solution that doesn't at-least entail removing the rep entirely. It's morally disparaging to permit a gain from plagiarism even if it wasn't the intent.

mfg

/its not like proofs for gods existence get stale/

i think everybody agrees the rep should evaporate, if the poster is that worried about the rep they got from one question they should learn its not that big of a deal

Borror0

@Josiah Have you seen the answers to that question? I mean, have you really read them? Thank god that one is second because...

mfg

@bor actually when i first read the title it struck me as fishing

Borror0

19:35

Welcome back @jjnguy, we were just talking about what an amoral person you are.

jjnguy

@Borror0 Talking about me!!!!!

:P

I'm not totally amoral.

Josiah

@Borror0, not really. lol

Borror0

@mfg What's title?

Josiah

Amoral is okay, it's immoral that's problematic.

Borror0

@Josiah Read them. It's a prime example of horrible answers that get voted up because go "wee, let,s say that theists are irrational stupid people (and not actually answer the question)"

Ustice

19:38

actually, the only thing that was done wrong was no attribution, which was added after.

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License

Evan Carroll

@Borror0 what answer?

Borror0

@Ustice Without attribution, it's an infringement of copyright though.

Ustice

The text can be reused, so long as there is attribution.

Sure, but that was a mistake that was edited after.

mfg

@Borror0 What is the proven fact to support the argumentation that God does NOT exist?

Josiah

@ustice, attribution doesn't make it okay to me.

Ustice

19:39

Even if by another user.

It's Creative Commons.

Explicite permission to do just that.

Borror0

6

A: What is the proven fact to support the argumentation that God does NOT exist?

Why is it my job or anyone's to prove an utter absurdity to be false? "Prove to me that the world isn't secretly resting on top of giant cupcakes!" "Well, here are pictures of the earth from space." "Fakes and lies. Now prove what I said! See, you can't." Yeah well, that still doesn't make ...

Josiah

I already mentioned that it isnt' about legality.

He didn't add anything. At all.

mfg

and its verbatim

i mean GIY

Ustice

He found a good article, and posted the relavant information.

Josiah

I guess he got the formatting right.

Borror0

19:40

@Ustice Again, it requires attribution. Otherwise, it's a copyright infringement.

Ustice

I agree with you, @Borror0.

That would be a problem, had it not been added.

Evan Carroll

ah, I agree. that answer is crapola.

Downvoted.

Ustice

but it was

Josiah

The copyright infringement bit doesn't really bother me, just the farming rep. Considering none of it is his answer he should have cw'd it. As it stands, it deserves deletion.

Borror0

@EvanCarroll Most of the other answers are pretty bad, if you feel like reading the rest.

mfg

19:41

@bor but yeah, that title was just awful

Borror0

@mfg Title? You mean the question?

mfg

@bor "What is the proven fact" sounds hilarious

Ustice

I don't see a problem with finding a good source of info, and even copying relavant text, if it answers the question properly, if the original source gives permission to do that.

mfg

and it just keeps on sounding hilarious

Borror0

Oh. Suggestion? I'll edit to something that doesn't sound stupid

Ustice

19:43

(of course adding attribution as well)

Josiah

@ustice, If you're citing it or using it as a part of your answer, I agree.

But using it as the entirety of you answer isn't really answering.

Ustice

Even if it is verbatim. Researching, and formatting the answer counts for something. (assuming it was with permission)

Josiah

Give him a cookie, then.

Evan Carroll

Nah, I'll get depressed.

Josiah

"Nice job on the bold, champ!"

Evan Carroll

19:44

I really want a method of stipulating a minimum IQ to take part in the discussion.

mfg

maybe "What established facts support the claim that God does not exist?"

Josiah

wut r u talkin bout evin?

ur to gud 4 us?

mfg

whie u g0tt two haet on uhs?

Borror0

19:58

5

Q: How does being an atheist influence your feelings about death?

Most religions, as far as I know, describe what will happen to you after you die. However, if you are an atheist, you are on your own: you have no book, congregation or deity to tell you what will happen. Just science and rational thought. How does this influence your feelings about death? Do yo...

death-afterlife

This is a poll. Kill it.

Evan Carroll

20:32

I think we need more people to buzz in on the plagiarism post on MASE, before it gets old, and voice their opinion to reset or not-reset exp. meta.atheism.stackexchange.com/questions/189/…

Josiah

20:50

Done

mfg

21:21

what is the tag: syntax for posts?

<tag:foo> ?

Josiah

I didn't know there was one.

jjnguy

[tag:foo]

or [meta-tag:foo]

mfg

[tag:foo]

[tag:foo]

Josiah

What does that do?

mfg

<tag:foo>

jjnguy

21:23

[tag:foo] will not show in the preview, but it will in the real post

mfg

errr

ok ty

jjnguy

Hmmm

mfg

the one im using is just showing up in the preview normally

jjnguy

@mfg where are you trying to do it?

mfg

meta

Josiah

21:24

[tag:you'reit]

take that, bitches!

jjnguy

Will not show in preview

mfg

@Josiah [oh man you got me]

Josiah

that is just weird.

mfg

ha

@jos

0

Q: Starting a draft of the FAQ?

What kind of questions can I ask here? This site is for experts on atheism and how it fits onto the world stage; and anyone else who is an atheist, lives with an atheist, knows an atheist, is scared of atheists, or just wants to understand what is going through the atheistic mind. We are looki...

discussion

im going to post a copy in the what should our FAQ contain

as well

Josiah

I think pushing the expert bit so quickly is a mistake.

mfg

21:37

it's going to need to be in there, i guess

Josiah

First sentence: "If you're seeking knowledge, gtfo. If you have knowledge, let's all circle jerk!"

more or less

mfg

the faq post is CW so you can modifiy for better word choice

Josiah

flagged, mayhaps, but nobody got around to opening it

jjnguy

@mfg I see you got the [tag:thing] to work.

mfg

i deleted the single post and now its just the meta.atheism.stackexchange.com/questions/4/… one

yeah, thanks again

Josiah

21:39

ohh cute

(the tag thing)

mfg

i thought that tag: thing was pointless until i realized its clickable

Josiah

My expertise already ran out.

0

Q: Looking for a good athiest childrens book or book series

Possible Duplicate: Parenting book recommendations Hey I was thinking something along the lines of His Dark Materials or something similar. While not exactly "atheist" explicitly had some pretty awesome themes relating to religion and control. While it is definitely not something for t...

children books

mfg

now obviously i put down some stuff as if it were consensus, but i assume we can hash it out and getting the FAQ going in an actual draft form is a start

Josiah

that needs some reopen votes, doesn't it? It's cw and not a duplicate.

jjnguy

@Josiah Yeah, voted.

mfg

21:43

yeah, ditto

i still think we should crack down on polls, but he got steam-rolled

Josiah

=D

mfg

oh well, if you and i voted first to close it, i like the ironty that were the first two to reopen

jjnguy

Yeah, I found that kinda funny as well.

Josiah

lmao

mfg

i mean, i can at least support a dude trying his best to raise some heathen hell-children

can i get an AMEN?!?

Josiah

21:45

ramen

jjnguy

AMEN!

mfg

hallalujah praise the borg

Josiah

HAIL ERIS

jjnguy

(What does that even mean? I was raised Catholic and have no idea. I just said it 1,00 times in mass each week.)

mfg

dunno, irish catholic here... maybe its a greek orthodox thing

Josiah

21:46

hallelujah or HAIL ERIS?

mfg

im thinking 'on high'

Josiah

/r/trees, amirite?

jjnguy

Amen

The word amen ( or ; ; Greek: ἀμήν ; , ʼĀmīn ; "So be it; truly") is a declaration of affirmation It has been generally adopted in Christian worship as a concluding word for prayers and hymns. as in, for instance, amen to that. Pronunciation In English, the word amen has two primary pronunciations, ah-men () or ay-men (), with minor additional variation in emphasis (the two syllables may be equally stressed instead of placing primary stress on the second). The Oxford English Dictionary gives "eɪ'mεn, often ɑː'mɛn". The ah-men pronunciation is used in performances of classical music, in ...

mfg

pear trees?

Josiah

no pear trees.

/r/trees is the subreddit for pot smokers

mfg

21:48

oh yeah? im all corporate i get all my news from the walmart ads. ok gots some emails i gotta send out, later

Josiah

Oh, it was in reference to 'on high'

jjnguy

@Josiah Oh, I missed that. I'm guessing @mfg did too.

Evan Carroll

HALLO

jjnguy

hi

Evan Carroll

capt. social today

jjnguy

21:58

I'm bored...

Evan Carroll

weather.com/weather/today/77345

jjnguy

I like storms.

Evan Carroll

4

Drugs and Pharmacology

Proposed Q&A site for experienced drug users, and those in the pharmacology-related businesses.

Currently in defintion.

Josiah

lol

jjnguy

I think that's just asking for trouble...

Evan Carroll

22:12

Why? I think its a valid topic, and the information would make the world safer.

Josiah

I have a friend that would enjoy it.

jjnguy

@Evan, the potential for abuse is high. It's like the drug prevention program at my elementary school. All it did was teach kids how to do drugs.

Josiah

@jjnguy, they had nice cars they took from drug dealers. It made me want to sell drugs.

What's wrong with drugs, anyway?

Evan Carroll

So you're saying that drugs and drug prevention should be off topic because of the potential for abuse?

jjnguy

All I'm saying is that that proposal could be highly controversial.

Josiah

22:16

Some people consider ours highly controversial.

jjnguy

@Josiah There are problems with some drugs.

I know.

Josiah

I don't have a problem with recreational drug use, so.

jjnguy

@Josiah But the country that this company is based does.

Evan Carroll

I like my response to a like-concern in the comments.

I'm satisfied with my answer.

Josiah

@jjnguy I just don't see it working because drug users and pharmacists don't get along. Users go around the monopoly they have on distribution.

jjnguy

22:19

@Josiah Yeah, the title of the proposal puts 2 incompatible things together imo

Josiah

Then again, I have a good friend that plans on being a pharmacist but thoroughly enjoys drugs.

Evan Carroll

No, same ideas... To assume that non-pharmacologists drug users couldn't become pharmacologists is to assume that non-computer programmer application users couldn't become computer programmers.

Josiah

I am an ass, Evan. Just warning you.

Evan Carroll

If you need proof in the pudding I suggest you turn your attention to Bash.

Josiah

Decriminalization = penalties removed.

Legalization = legal allowances.

With decriminalization you usually ticket or fine someone for possession up to a point.

jjnguy

22:23

@EvanCarroll That whole statement is off.

Josiah

I don't know how long to leave that terrible question up before deleting it.

jjnguy

@Josiah I have no idea what that even means.

Josiah

It's taken from a pop song.

it's purple drank, otherwise known as cough syrup with codeine.

Evan Carroll

so are all things "legal" legalized?

Josiah

If there is no penalty, then pretty much.

jjnguy

22:26

@EvanCarroll Legalized != Decriminalized

Evan Carroll

is it fair to say that interracial marriage is legalized, or that it is just legal?

Josiah

If it was illegal, then it was legalized at some point.

jjnguy

It was legalized, so now it is legal.

Josiah

Legalization is an action, something being legal is a state.

Saying something is legalized refers to it having been made legal.

I hate the annoying specificity too, and it's sad we have to have so many conversations about what adults can do in the privacy of their homes.

Evan Carroll

So I'm confused, is drugs use "legal" in Portugal for recreational use or not..

My claim was that it is, it's regulated but there is no civil or criminal penalty for the use.

Josiah

22:29

I don't believe so, I think it was decriminalized.

It is still illegal.

Evan Carroll

so link up, show me a penalty..

Josiah

Meh, effort. I think it's just treatment.

They opted to use it as a chance to find people drug treatment instead of fining them.

jjnguy

Portugal 2001 decriminalization of drug use

In July 2001, Portugal became the first European country to formalize decriminalization of drug possession for personal use, when they introduced Law 30/2000. The law decriminalized the use, possession and acquisition of all types of illicit substances for personal use, defined as being up to ten days supply of that substance. This was in line with the de facto Portuguese drug policy before the reform. Drug addicts were then to be aggressively targeted with therapy or community service rather than fines or waivers. Even if there are no criminal penalties, these changes did not legalize drug...

Josiah

jjnguy might be more willing to dig up references

Evan Carroll

I don't see why I'm having to defend this anyway. We're not condoning drug use by answering questions about drugs, any more than were condoning exporting crypto to Iran by answering questions about crypto on SO.

This seems on all levels pathetic.

Josiah

22:31

I certainly am condoning drug use.

Evan Carroll

Well, as a personal decision that's great.

As a valid Q/A proposal, it's not a stance I want to take.

I'd love to be able to ask questions about drugs in a fairly professional medium.

Josiah

Then you should change experienced drug users.

"Yeah mannn everyone had an aura and oh shit the walls were breathing man"

"I thought my dog was a gremlin and shit, no lie"

Evan Carroll

why... If I wanted to make a Q/A about Homosexuality I wouldn't want to exclude Homosexuals. It wouldn't condone the act at any level, it would only serve to inform. The users can provide valuable input about experiences and personal advice.

Josiah

What method of non-lethal use will get the most THC content into the blood supply?

I love that. The only lethal use I can think of would be to make a cannon ball of pot and blast it into someone's chest with a cannon.

Evan Carroll

Really, can you take a THC IV?

Josiah

22:35

I'm honestly not sure. It attaches to fatty tissue or something, so I don't know how well that would work.

Evan Carroll

See... There are questions to be asked, that's a fair one even if you think it is a joke.

Josiah

And I just meant that you will have some people coming on as experienced users dragging down the professional feel of the place.

And I was just saying that lethal pot use would be pretty extreme. I don't know what you could do with it that you couldn't do with anything else to kill someone.

You should relax a bit more.

Evan Carroll

I'm not tense, I want to know if an you could make more people high by giving them mG of pot in the arm..

Josiah

Ooh! I have a xanax at home.

Evan Carroll

I've never heard of it, but I'm not sure why.

Josiah

22:38

I'd have to ask biologist/chemist friends.

Evan Carroll

Invite them to the proposal.

Josiah

I think it has to do with the thc fatty acid thing, I do agree that it's a good question, though.

There, posted a real one.

Evan Carroll

Good! You++ Welcome to the proposal, let make this happen.

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