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12:03 AM
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Q: They Could Sit Down Till They Got It Out of Town

HawkeyeWhat is "it" and what are the missing words? The couldn't sit own 'till they got it out of town To send it back was nice, But who'd have bet the odds, They'd send it back with mice, And___________________________? HINT 1:

 
 
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1:15 AM
Oct 6 '20 at 20:26, by Rand al'Thor
And my money is on Stiv overtaking jafe/Tom/Bass in the near-to-mid future.
we all knew this day would come... congrats to @Stiv for making the PSE top 5!
 
I'm considering writing up a self-answer to that question now that there's a bounty on it... sweet, tempting rep
 
heheh
nothing wrong with self-answers in a question like that
 
on the other hand, school
 
1:45 AM
O_O 500 rep
Dang
 
@bobble That would be cheating lol
 
Answering your own question just for a bounty means you never needed to write the question, since you know the answer
 
2:00 AM
Self-answers are totally fine for Q&A-type of questions
 
Yeah
And it's not like bobble planned this
It was posted in October
 
It's totally possible in general that the asker found a satisfactory answer themselves, and such an answer can be helpful for others who have the same question
 
Ahhhhh, I thought it was posted this month
Oopsies
 
Even if it was posted recently, there's no harm
Look at Deus's cryptic clue guide
That was a self-answer and is one of the most important posts in PSE
It was also written intended to be a self-answer to help people make CCs
 
2:19 AM
yep, nothing wrong with self-answers
 
@Jafe hehe knew it
 
@Stiv I think perhaps STEADY : S (sore head) + TEA (a drink) and DY (the beginning and end of "day") ? And "Round-the-clock" meaning constant or steady.
 
that sounds plausible
i'm terrible at counting letters... no matter how many times i look, words like STEADY look 5 letters long (and words like OMAHA look 6 letters long)
 
huh, interesting! those both clearly look like 6 and 5 to me
ooh i think i know why that's happening - could be a long vowel thing
 
syllable count not equalling expected letter count?
for me words like STRENGTH are surprisingly long when trying to solve crosswords
 
2:32 AM
yeah something like that probably
 
you're Finnish, right?
/stɛdɪ/ vs /o͡ʊməhɑː/ - the first has just two short vowels, and the second has some long vowels in it. and iirc long vowels are written with a double letter in Finnish, so that could make the perceived letter-count bigger
 
yeah we pretty much have one letter <-> one sound, /stedi/ would be STEDI if it was a finnish word
 
(this is pure speculation though)
 
makes sense actually
 
3:03 AM
i missed a linguistics conversation????
 
3:22 AM
btw @Deusovi, check out the comments here to claim the checkmark :)
 
ah, of course, forgot to edit that one
edited in
 
@Deusovi huh, Omaha looks like six and steady looks like five too for me
 
welp! i got nothing then
...are you secretly Finnish too?
 
hehehe
 
It might be vowel/consonant distribution
I think my brain interprets oeither ST or EA as a single unit
And the first A in Omaha makes it seem like six. Idk. I suck at counting so
@Deusovi I didn't know Jafe was secretly Finnish. I thought he was just Finnish :p
 
3:32 AM
i might secretly be many things
 
Are you a robot?
 
@Deusovi but the big question is, are you secretly finnish
 
not last time i checked
 
when was the last time you checked though?
 
i don't know, i don't check very often
 
3:35 AM
i see
 
3:47 AM
Thank y'all for defending me. Anon, getting a message that I'm "cheating" was a little hurtful, no matter how many "lol"s are tacked on to the end. I don't feel close enough to you for it to come off as a joke - just felt like plain meanness
 
4:06 AM
@PrinceNorthLæraðr if i was one i'd be...
We accept everyone's fictional robot (4·1)
^ outtake from a future crossword... the main thing i like about it is the enumeration :P
 
heh
 
5:05 AM
@Anonymus25-ReinstateMonica You got bobble crowns too? :D
@bobble Gosh, how come I didn't think of that when a bounty got placed on my question? :o
 
@Deusovi you said what I was going to say, except better.
 
huh, that's good - i was slightly worried that my answer came off as saying the obvious
 
I realized after making my Statue Park that I had been thinking about overcluing wrong, because of the location thing you have at the top
 
yeah, clues' usefulness is hard to judge at first
 
I was worried it was a stupid question after making that puzzle, actually, since I realized I had been going about it all wrong
 
5:15 AM
oh?
 
i mean i realized the location thing
 
going about it wrong?
 
my assumption for that question was that clues all gave the same information
 
ahh
 
when i realized that assumption was wrong, i felt a bit stupid
 
5:17 AM
hey, jafe bountied that, and it got a bunch of upvotes, so clearly it's an assumption other people make too
 
I'm leaving it unaccepted for a day or so to let someone else post an answer, if they want to
 
that's fine, no rush to accept
especially when there's a bounty - someone else might have some insightful thoughts
 
5:31 AM
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Q: A [suffix] sitting [prefix] [infix] corner solving [whole]

00xxqhxx00Inspiration by @risky mysteries A [suffix] sitting [prefix] [infix] corner solving [whole]. Rule and Clue: The infix and suffix may not be exactly same as the whole, such as: Infix or suffix Whole zen thousand edge marriage trip contribution

 
 
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7:12 AM
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Q: How to find the 2021st integer co-prime with 15

AnushI recently saw a puzzle where you were to find the 2021st positive integer co-prime with 15 (it was phrased in terms of a game but this is the mathematical core). I wrote code to find the answer but can’t see how you would have done it by hand. What is the trick?

 
Hum, talking of tricky fixes to puzzles... I am hoping I haven’t messed up this: puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/105721/hokuro-puzzle-10x10
I feel foolish for asking “is the puzzle still broken..?” ._.
 
7:25 AM
@Jafe Oh wow, thanks! Though I think setting a 500 bounty probably counts as a MASSIVE push over the line ;-)
@Graylocke And yes, that was exactly my intention. You're up!
@Jafe Oh, and @Deusovi there's another checkmark waiting for you with one final flourish :)
 
ah, right - I was hesitant because I didn't want to just take M Oehm's picture
 
CCCC: One country without structure is a clue. (11)
 
alright, edited in
 
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Q: Cryptic Geometry

GrimGromI was trying to study some geometry, but I just can't seem to wrap my head around all this mathematical mumbo jumbo. Can you help me out? Many an object of this type are familiar to geometers! (8) A famous mathematician returned to sign with hat (6) Legs itch, tea spilled (7) A ring is nearly in...

 
8:05 AM
@Graylocke I n(form)ation
 
How does "without" clue insertion?
 
@Bubbler "without" means "outside of"
(or used to, and in cryptic clues still does :-) )
(compare "within")
 
That... makes some sense
for some definition of some
 
apparently in scotland they say "outwith" to mean "outside of"
if i remember correctly, some years ago wikipedia cleansed that word from articles written in scottish english (because nobody else understands it) and some people were... not happy
can't find a reference for that right now, though... (which of course is fitting)
 
Sid
8:23 AM
Information = Clue?
 
@Sid shrugs I'm not sure my answer is correct.
 
clue (n) 1. a piece of evidence or information used in the detection of a crime.
 
@Jafe IINM English Wikipedia's usual policy is that if an article is about a particular English-speaking region (or person from that region, etc) then it should be in that region's dialect; and otherwise it should be in whatever dialect it was written in by its first author.
 
yeah that's right
 
Sid
@Jafe huh. fair enough.
 
8:32 AM
@Jafe sounds like a definition by example
Maybe the intent was as in "get a clue" which means generally to get knowledge
 
8:48 AM
@msh210 Yes :)
hm - is there a debate about a clue being information? sorry ^^;
@msh210 also I noticed that you were the one who put up a C4 for the same word, but different construction :P
(and without meaning outside is mainly used in kind of odd literary contexts now... and the kind of cryptics that I perhaps shouldn't emulate)
 
@Graylocke I see nothing wrong with it in a cryptic clue, personally.
CCCC: Laughter, work, and robotics are at crux of Faith Hill movie. (6)
(a (not entirely accurate) reference to The Stepford Wives)
 
 
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10:20 AM
This puzzle was probably inspired by me, when I ttalked to Stiv about that Indonesian cryptic crossword
 
Flag it for plagiarism ;)
 
 
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11:39 AM
@Anonymus25-ReinstateMonica Sorry to burst your bubble...! ;-)
@Jafe And this is totally correct. We spend a lot of time with Scots and it took us so long to grasp what it was they meant by 'outwith'. These days I occasionally find myself using it myself in conversation!
@msh210 Answer to the CCCC is HAWAII! HA (laughter) + W (work) + AI (robotics) + (fa)I(th), all clueing this movie by George Roy Hill :)
 
12:00 PM
@Stiv yes indeed
nicely found
 
Nicely crafted :)
 
thanks
 
12:37 PM
CCCC: Frame of mind at tonight's opening: I mustn't close up without first pocketing dinnertime tips (8)
 
1:05 PM
@riskymysteries Indeed!
 
1:21 PM
@Stiv at t_ I (_t up – p_) d_e
nice construction
 
@msh210 That's the one :) Back to you again!
 
@Stiv hi
 
1:50 PM
Hi @riskymysteries - Just FYI I rolled back the edit for the spoilers on that lock question. I figured that as it wasn't really a puzzle other users might try to solve but rather an enquiry for assistance it didn't really need it. (Although TBH the answer itself was a pretty much tongue-in-cheek JUST DRILL THE LOCK OFF response, so not sure how useful it is either way!)
 
2:07 PM
@Stiv OK, noted.
What's CCCC?
oh, just saw the star board
 
In a nutshell, there's a game of Cryptic Clue Chat Chains that's been going on continuously for several years. Whoever solves the cryptic clue sets the next one. Solve, set, repeat!
 
Can I set one?
 
If you solve the one that's currently in play. There's a single chain, you see. It's currently msh210's turn to set as they solved mine (above). When they have a chance they'll set it going again and any visitor to the Lair here can try to solve it (and claim setting the next clue for themselves).
 
@Stiv can they pass?
on setting a cryptic.
 
I think people have done that before, probably just a case of finding a willing volunteer to take it on. But I'll leave answering that question officially to someone who's been doing this longer than me! (I've done fewer than 10, and only really very recently...)
 
2:21 PM
ok
 
CCCC: Placard perhaps features large perfectionist (8)
 
@msh210 so solvers need to find what word you are hinting at, right?
 
yes, if you solve the cryptic clue you can write the next one
 
@Deusovi Are they like enigmatic word puzzles?
 
2:39 PM
there's a specific way they work - every clue has two parts to it, and you have to figure out where to divide the two parts and how they work. there's a guide pinned in the starboard
cryptic clues take a while to learn, but once you do they're very rewarding!
 
@Deusovi oh, thanks for the info!
 
 
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3:52 PM
@msh210 Could the answer to the CCCC be STICKLER? STICKER (placard perhaps) containing L (large), all meaning 'perfectionist'.
 
4:08 PM
I just got my second gold badge! I will celebrate this completely useless achievement of making a counter tick up in some database.
 
Congrats!
 
of course it's an editing badge >.> I edit a lot
 
You sure do :)
 
I'm also pretty near two other badges - need to review 5 more suggested edits and vote on 30 more questions to get Proofreader and Electorate, respectively.
ooh badges
me like badges
 
@bobble ! Nice!
 
4:53 PM
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Q: Non-convex quadrilateral with integer sides and integer diagonals

Herbert KociembaWhich is the non-convex quadrilateral with integer sides and integer diagonals with the smallest possible perimeter?

 
5:13 PM
@Stiv it could be and it is
 
 
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7:50 PM
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Q: Chess Endgame Study

Dr XorileI came across this puzzle-like endgame study. Usually, opposite color bishops are draw-ish. Here's an absolutely extraordinary counter-example. Enjoy! White to play and mate in 8. Source: Winning Chess Endgames: Just the Facts!

 
8:16 PM
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Q: What is the house number in nolteight street

ThomasLAlice moved place to nolteight street. Bob meets her after her move and he knows that the smallest house number in nolteight street is 8 and the highest number is 100. But he does not know the house number of Alice. Bob asks her: "Is your house number greater than 50?" Alice answer is a lie. Bob ...

 
 
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9:57 PM
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Q: Consists of four

Prim3numbahThe correct approach to this puzzle will lead you to two initials which in it's entirety consists of 13 letters. What is this 13-letter answer?

 
10:22 PM
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Q: The Abysmal King

HawkeyeWhat was the king's name (missing from the riddle), but more interestingly, what was the king trying to hide? Slay me now, and take a solemn vow, Man can't say I might have died this way, So thrust me through. Make it strong and true. I'm a wreck, but long live the king __________. HINT 1: ...

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Q: Is asking your one with a action the answer to the riddle of two doors, two guards?

DoNTMiNDMeExample; You ask your one question by moving towards any door. Only the true guard will continue to stop you no what you do. The fake guard would be powerless to act, it could only pretend not participate.

 
11:08 PM
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Q: Is asking your one with a action the answer to the riddle of two doors, two guards?

DoNTMiNDMeIs asking your one with a action the answer to the riddle of two doors, two guards? Example; You ask your one question by moving towards any door. Only the true guard will continue to stop you no what you do. The fake guard would be powerless to act, it could only pretend not participate.

help!
I don't know how to get the OP to talk straight, and I'm unsure what to do with the question
eh, just closing as Needs Details or Clarity
 
w- ... what is that question even saying
 
It's saying: Consider those puzzles where you are in a room with two doors that might let you escape, and there are guards who may or may not tell the truth, may or may not answer in a language you know, etc. Is a good solution to such a puzzle to take some action that will provoke the guards to act in a predictable way (e.g., trying to stop you going through the door that lets you escape), thus bypassing whatever logical shenanigans might have been intended?
Of course the answer is: no, unless you also consider that a winning chess strategy is shooting your opponent with a gun.
 
11:23 PM
@GarethMcCaughan Table-flip is the only successful Monopoly strategy.
That answer made my day though ^^; I kind of like the idea that you try to bypass this clever puzzle the two guards came up with and they simply don't like that you won't engage and let you do whatever you want including fall to your doom.
 
@GarethMcCaughan I read your answer, and generally agree with it. But maybe there is a shade of grey in there? Sticking with the chess example, is moving your hand to a piece and observing your opponent for some sort of reaction a valid strategy? I absolutely agree this would not be a part of a chess puzzle, but it certainly seems part of chess.
More "puzzly", I definitely find when doing cryptic crosswords, I tend to "solve the setter" sometimes.
 
11:39 PM
I guess there may be a difference between a puzzle and a game... in how much is meta. But then, isn't the point of the rules I have been trying (and failing!) to follow in the C4 about avoiding "setter" based solves? That the clue should work in its perfect description?
Not that I am an expert, I am just interested in the answers from the clever people here ;p
 
I agree that there are situations where doing something and looking for reactions is a good idea. I don't think that really applies in how-to-choose-the-door puzzles, though.
 
@Graylocke i think Jeremy Dover is saying that you can sometimes think "oh, this setter would pull some trick like this here, i'll look into this more"
(with the clue still being perfectly valid, and you just having found the solution more efficiently)
that's not really what the answer was about though, as i read it
 
11:59 PM
@Deusovi Oh right... like this is the kind of pun / clue type / whatever that this setter likes to use?
 
like if you see a 's from me, there is a 90% chance that is a splitter
 

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