The Sphinx's Lair

00:00

Just like how it's a coincidence that the crown I happen to have looks like Bobble

oAlt

01:35

To be fair, I'm fine with one user mentioning another user's name as long as 1) it's not excessive (I'm not sure how to define "excessive" yet but in general it shouldn't disturb), and 2a) they asked the other user for permission beforehand and 2b) that user agreed

bobble

How about things like the Deusovi Honeypots?

oAlt

Was about to ask that too ahahah

Deusovi

i've said before that i'm fine with people using me for puzzle stories

(it was in my profile at one point iirc?)

oAlt

ahh I see

Deusovi

i'm not so sure anymore, but i'm not super bothered by it

oAlt

02:09

Turns out I can't make an entry for FTC

I'm still chasing after requirement backlogs ;_; :'(

bobble

05:19

I got a working FTC crossword, with decent words, and it only took an hour of plugging different constraints into qat :D

(I gave myself so many constraints that my manual attempts were a bit impossible)

merrybot

"only" an hour?

an hour is a long time

oAlt

I beg to disagree

merrybot

oh?

oAlt

I'd take well more than an hour D:

merrybot

that was my point

oAlt

05:30

oh I get it but

merrybot

the "only" was sarcasm

bobble

the first five minutes were trying to figure out how qat worked, since I hadn't used it before

Deusovi

hooray!

oh nice

oAlt

I meant compared to me taking like days to finish making a puzzle, an hour ain't long

Deusovi

have you seen qxw?

bobble

05:31

I still have to clue it (though there are only four words, so shouldn't take more than a day or two)

@Deusovi I have now; just Googled it. Looks cool!

merrybot

yay bobble learned how to use Qat

Deusovi

qxw is what i always use for making crosswords - it's so useful

wait

only four words?

oAlt

(it's the same as "quinapalus" right)

bobble

working title: "This ain't your grandpa's word square"

Deusovi

quinapalus is the site that both qat and qxw are hosted on

bobble

05:33

(variety twist on a word square)

Deusovi

qat is a word finder tool; qxw is a crossword constructor tool

bobble

I made it small for quicker construction and (hopefully) short & sweet solving

merrybot

@bobble as a square, i appreciate that :P

oAlt

@Deusovi ohh intrsting

Deusovi

looking forward to the word square twist!

bobble

05:36

I'm also making it cryptic, because why not

though I probably won't need help on the clues this time? maybe?

oAlt

maybe

jafe

07:38

maybe the still-alive new york mobster is james coonan

tried to link the wikipedia page but failed miserably

jafe

08:12

congratulations on 100k @hexomino!

msh210

08:32

@jafe Sorry, the James I chose really is famous, but "James" is too common a name. I shoulda worded the clue differently. But I have faith in you (plural).

Sphinx

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Q: BreakTheCode - flower from Voynich and key?

I would like to ask for advice and help in solving the puzzles from the BreakTheCode competition. In room 5, the second puzzle is a picture of plants with symbols on the leaves. The room is called "Voynich" and the plant is from this manuscript, page 15. I tried the name by whom the manuscript is...

visual

oAlt

09:15

@jafe congrats @hexomino :0

Sphinx

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Q: The New York Time's "Letter Boxed" Puzzle (spoiler)

WARNING: I solved this puzzle and posted a solution below. I'm posting this more for muse. Hello! I don't know if anyone's enjoyed this puzzle on The New York Times website, but I find it rather fun. The rules published on the site are as follows: Connect letters to spell words Words must be at...

wordplay

Sphinx

09:48

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Q: Slitherlink - A0, B1, C2, D3

The standard Slitherlink rules apply. However, first replace $A_1$, $A_2$, $B_1$, $B_2$, $C_1$, $C_2$, $D_1$, and $D_2$; such that the Slitherlink is uniquely solvable. Moreover, these equations must also be correct: $A_1 + A_2 = 0$ $B_1 + B_2 = 1$ $C_1 + C_2 = 2$ $D_1 + D_2 = 3$

logical-deduction grid-deduction slitherlink

msh210

@Sphinx Despite initial appearances, this is not the solution.

oAlt

13:27

^ indeed

hexomino

14:15

@jafe @oAlt Thank you!

bobble

15:50

I notice that Deepthinker posts quite a few comments like this one:

Ah dammit could not think in a panic, once I found out you were working on it. — Prince Deepthinker 4 hours ago

Are these flag-worthy?

@Deusovi, since you're a mod

Another one:

Dang, I was still stuck on the braille part! — Prince Deepthinker Nov 18 at 10:32

In general, these comments are simply expressions that they were working on the puzzle and that someone else solved it first

John Dvorak

nln at most.

bobble

16:26

@Sciborg, more questions about how Screeny works: what does it think of tag formatting (grid-deduction, for example) in chat or in a site post?

merrybot

16:44

i'd imagine Screeny reads it as "tag, grid deduction" b/c the markdown is [tag:grid-deduction] ?

Mithical

@bobble they seem chatty at best

Sphinx

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Q: You Do the Gallbladder, I'll Take the Appendix

Enclosure enclosing some music that’s acted. Another with snitch fore and aft is a note. A bird sound for every dinner extracted. Collaborate. Solve it. You’re done? Now upvote! The answer is a single English word.

riddle word rhyme

bobble

Other bookkeeping: the wordplay excerpt & wiki don't mention anything about puzzles. Both would make more sense if from Literature.

> Wordplay is a form of wit in which the used words become the main subject of the work, primarily for the purpose of intended effect or amusement.

That's the excerpt, while the wiki simply lists examples of wordplay

I'm not sure how to rewrite that, but it definitely seems to need a rewrite

merrybot

agreed

jafe

a hugh meyers puzzle appears

bobble

16:59

@jafe - did you see my "pedantic addition" comment?

jafe

yeah

should i add it to the answer?

bobble

Depends whether you think it's relevant enough, since it is just a random thing I threw into the flavortext

msh210

17:17

@bobble Write "3.45 + 4.25 = 7.70" with two digits after the decimal point.

merrybot

pedantic addition ... oh come on /s

bobble

@msh210 That's how significant figures work for science (says the pedantic nerd)

jafe

added

bobble

technically, it's not a note, it's a sign above the door.

(pedantic nerd retreats further into the corner)

merrybot

pedantry is ok

jafe

17:23

xkcd.com/1475

merrybot

there's an xkcd for everything

Deusovi

@bobble flagging as "no longer needed" seems fine by me

merrybot

this chat message has me thinking about what a Tekunube might be if such a puzzle existed

also xkcd.com/1429/

Deusovi

17:39

???

how is that relevant

jafe

abandoned the first idea for the chain puzzle finale that used a real world map... i'm going to try to incorporate an actual risk map (or close enough) instead

bobble

Take as much time as you need!

bobble

18:07

A question was posted as an answer, one that could be easily answered with a single link. Should the "answer" be answered in comments? I think no, right?

Mithical

No

Don't reward bad behavior if you don't want it repeated

Sphinx

18:31

0

Q: Wait a minute...Where did he go? (part 1)

A secret person hid three rolls of paper under my bed First roll: you'll find my country only if you solve this puzzle '3rd of 2, 1st of 2, 2nd of 6, 3rd of 2, 1st of 3, 3rd of 2' Second roll: you'll find my province only if you solve this puzzle '17th, 21st, 5th, 2nd, 5th, 3rd' Third roll: you'l...

logical-deduction find-the-order

Deusovi

18:55

hm, wondering if

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Q: How do you draw the grid puzzles (and partial solutions)?

I'm a fan of sudoku, nonogram, and other various grid logic puzzles. I really liked to see something like this and this. But to post such a puzzle (or a solution to such a puzzle), I need to draw them. And I want them to be nice to see and use. How do you draw such puzzles (and partial solutions)...

discussion

should be migrated to main

it's a question about puzzle creation, so it seems perfectly on-topic

bobble

I agree with this

msh210

@bobble mhm

bobble

19:30

I'm having trouble figuring out interesting ways to cryptic-clue the FTC word-square words

Regular clues won't really work, because the gimmick means that at least two (maybe three) exact words will probably be required to figure out what's happening with the grid.

Deusovi

why does that mean regular clues won't work?

if the clues are precise enough it'll work

bobble

Perhaps? I'm just worried that the "ahah!" moment will be too much, seeing as I have no test solver besides myself.

Deusovi

fair enough

bobble

I'll see if I can come up with specific enough regular clues to satisfy myself.

in The Reading Room, Nov 1 at 23:09, by bobble

> After 60 days, migrations can only be performed by Stack Exchange employees. These are performed only in very, very rare procedural cases and are usually not done on request.

So even if we want to migrate, we can't by ourselves

Deusovi

19:45

huh yep

wait, looks like i can?

bobble

unless it's been less than 60 days?

did I do my math wrong

Deusovi

it has just barely been less than 60, i believe

bobble

So any migration would have to be Very Soon

Deusovi

yeah, within a day or two

eh probably worth just keeping it on meta - we might have a duplicate-ish question on the main site at some point, but we can just link to the meta one in answers there

bobble

Would it be worth adding a link to the meta post in the grid-deduction excerpt or wiki?

Deusovi

19:55

excerpt probably not, wiki maybe, though i don't think very many people read the wiki

(i always forget tag wikis exist at all)

bobble

20:06

Okay, got some decently specific non-cryptic clues for the variety word square. I'll let them sit for a bit before posting.

Deusovi

20:20

excited to see the final product!

msh210

C4 hint: Two surface nouns must be read as verbs, and one surface verb must be read as a noun.

jafe

20:49

fake C4 hint: all surface words must be read in the voice of marlon brando from the godfather

3

msh210

21:13

@jafe LOL

Time for my second round of "Jedi At Last"....

Gareth McCaughan

It's a fun one. Good luck!

msh210

Thanks!

Hm, its 5D seems to have an ambiguity: two possible solutions. Though I suspect only one of them is in the puzzle setters' dictionary.

Gareth McCaughan

I only thought of one solution to that one, for what it's worth, and it turned out to be the right one. (To the clue itself; I'm not talking about the subsequent modification.)

msh210

I'm referring to the modified version.

The second letter can be U (which I assume was intended) or R. Or maybe I have it wrong completely.

Gareth McCaughan

21:29

Ah. Well, obviously how many options there are for that depends a bit on what other things you've entered already. The first possibility I thought of for the modification turned out to be wrong, the second one right.

msh210

@Mithical Will you be?

Gareth McCaughan

If you're thinking of a possibility with a tripled letter, I think you can safely ignore that.

msh210

@GarethMcCaughan I am indeed.

Gareth McCaughan

For me, that one doesn't count as just adding a sound at the start.

msh210

Really? You pronounce it differently from the word with a U?

Gareth McCaughan

21:31

Yup.

Deusovi

hm, they're the same for me

but i do believe the one with a tripled letter is wrong - it likely would've been mentioned in the "altered answers include..." section

Gareth McCaughan

For me, the tripled-letter one is pronounced with the tongue distinctly further up in the mouth.

msh210

@Deusovi good point

@GarethMcCaughan Interesting.

bobble

This is confusing (as someone without knowledge of the crossword in question) and also fascinating. It's as if you all are speaking in some sort of code.

Gareth McCaughan

Producing a somewhat lower pitch (by about two semitones, I think) on the vowel, if you can call it a vowel.

Deusovi

21:33

math.uchicago.edu/~wald/jediatlast.pdf (the crossword in question)

Gareth McCaughan

It's a fun crossword, but be warned it's quite challenging.

bobble

those are some complicated instructions

Deusovi

kevin wald, aka ucaoimhu, writes variety cryptics with a ton of densely-packed gimmicks that usually have some pretty mind-blowing moments in them

Gareth McCaughan

They are. (Fairly typical for that setter, at least if the others of his I've looked at are representative)

Deusovi

i'd say that's about average length

Mithical

21:36

@msh210 yes, I haven't heard any turkey updates though

msh210

@Mithical Nice! I imagine you won't be back until Fri though anyway?

How's the training going? (You're still in training, I assume?)

@Deusovi Nice of them to let their alumni maintain sites. My department does not (or, at least, did not, at the time of my graduation).

Mithical

@msh210 Done with basic training... I'm now at my new base, waiting to start training for my position. In the meantime I've basically been loaned to פיקוד העורף and have been helping hand out COVID regulation flyers. Should be home tomorrow early afternoon.

I've actually been sleeping at home most nights - tonight's an exception (I'm on base).

msh210

@Mithical ah, that sounds boring. But boring is good.

@Mithical oh nice

Mithical

:)

msh210

(For the others: פיקוד העורף, literally "nape command" but generally translated "homefront command", is the division of the army that directly helps civilians in times of war (or, as you see, other events).)

Puzzling Meta

21:42

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Q: When an answer gets accepted, should the *question* be edited into the actual *answer*?

Unlike on other Stack Exchange sites, questions posted in Puzzling Stack Exchange very commonly receive answers where the authors of the answers aren't 100% sure that their solution is correct, as even if they gave great answers, the intended solution (which, on PSE, is classified as the "correct"...

discussion support editing accepted-answer

msh210

idf.il/en/minisites/home-front-command

Deusovi

here's some puzzles from him with even longer instructions:
https://www.fleetingimage.com/wij/xyzzy/xeimhu-aug-2002.pdf
http://www.math.uchicago.edu/~wald/con17a.pdf
http://www.math.uchicago.edu/~wald/con15a.pdf
(note the second and third both say "part 1" -- those are each the first in a three-part set)

bobble

dear... goodness...

Deusovi

all good puzzles! but there's a lot to go through

bobble

I've only every solved one cryptic crossword (one of the beginner ones you shared in chat), and that was with some cheating. I got no chance there.

Deusovi

21:51

math.uchicago.edu/~wald/thanksgiving05.pdf

for comparison, here's a shorter one

msh210

In "Jedi At Last", generally, I'm finding the down clues much harder than the across. I have most of the latter but only a handful of the former, so far.

bobble

word square posted - I erred on the side of making it easier, so it'll probably fall soon

Deusovi

huh, interesting - the Down clues are the normal ones

msh210

@Deusovi I don't know: maybe I'm wired to alter clues more readily than to alter lights.

bobble

... yep, fastest solve for any of my puzzles

did I make it too easy?

msh210

22:02

@bobble nice one

bobble

Was it fun/satisfying at least? @Deusovi?

Deusovi

yep, it was fun!

not super difficult, but it helped that i'm very familiar with that type of gimmick. still an enjoyable solve

bobble

Thanks! Now I have something to point to if anyone asks for an easy crossword by me.

Sphinx

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Q: This ain't your grandpa's word square!

An entry in Fortnightly Topic Challenge #43: Variety Crossword Grids This is a regular word square: C A R D A R E A R E A D D A R T As you can see, the words read the same across and down. Now I have a word square for you to solve. Here are the clues, in top-to-bottom/left-to-right order: Hold ...

word crosswords word-square

msh210

22:31

@Deusovi I think maybe he made the across clues easier (except for the additions) because of the additions. I mean -- there are two down clues that I actually know the answers (post-modification and, I strongly suspect, pre-) to but nonetheless can't figure out the wordplay of!

Deusovi

that's very possible! i've done similar gimmicks before and have tried to balance difficulty like that

bobble

22:45

Not sure how I missed that typo - thanks Deus!

Deusovi

no problem!

bobble

23:06

latest "guess the formula I'm thinking of" question

Sphinx

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Q: The mysterious fractions

Let's have the following fractions. $ \frac{752}{375} + \frac{754}{376}+ \frac{756}{377} + \frac{758}{378}+ \frac{760}{379} \approx 10*(\frac{5}{375}+1)^{1/5}$ $\frac{752}{375}+ \frac{754}{376}+ \frac{756}{377}+ \frac{758}{378}+ \frac{760}{379}+ \frac{762}{380} \approx 12*(\frac{6}{375}+1)^{1/6}$...

mathematics number-theory

bobble

^ that one

Gareth McCaughan

@msh210 For what it's worth, I found the downs easier than the acrosses.

Prince North Læraðr

Speak of the devil

Prince North Læraðr

23:20

Anyone down for a round of Codenames?

bobble

sure? you'd need to get the room unfrozen

Prince North Læraðr

Right. But I'm trying to see if anyone here wants to play first

Okay, I'm sure someone already noticed this, but I believe the "side" and "damage" need to be verbs and "roll" is supposed to be a noun

bobble

I can't parse the surface reading of the clue, so I'm not entirely sure what is a surface noun or surface verb

Prince North Læraðr

well, no other nouns in the sentence can really be verbs, and no other verb could be a noun

Unless "Cuba" is a verb I don't know about

"roll" has to read as a "surface verb" in order for it to grammatically make sense

It's NY I think, because of New York

Or maybe New York mobster-actor-journalist from Italy is the def

Bubbler

(I gave up the C4 long ago)

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