The Sphinx's Lair

Deusovi

00:26

@Rubio For those types of "definitions", you need to be clear that you're giving a characteristic. "It clears the air" would work, but "clears the air" would not be a definition for FAN, even in a regular crossword.

Rand al'Thor

@Deusovi Ah, so "it clears the air" can clue FAN, but "clears the air" would have to be something like VENTILATES?

Deusovi

Yep!

For nouns, you can usually clue them as "It [verbs]". I'm not a fan of it (heh), but that's just personal preference - it's perfectly valid.

@Rubio Even if it wasn't standard (which I'm not sure about), I think that'd be perfectly fine! I like that as a clue.

@Randal'Thor No it's not. The number of ways to have half and half is (2n) choose n, and you divide that by 2^(2n) to get the probability.

Rand al'Thor

@Deusovi Ah, crap. I told you I was no good at probability :-)

Deusovi

Smaller sizes are much more likely to be equally split than larger ones.

Rand al'Thor

That's ... actually obvious now that I think about it.

If there are only 2 beds, then (1,1) is a pretty likely possibility.

If there are 200, then exactly (100,100) would be quite rare.

Deusovi

00:37

Yep.

Rand al'Thor

@AnimeshAshish @Rubio @Mithrandir ^^^

Rubio

yo

Will

n factorial? wouldn't it be 2^(2n)?

Couldn't we reformulate the problem as "what proportion of 2n-bit integers have an equal number of 1 and 0 bits?"

& for n = 2:

BBBB, BBBG, BBGB, BBGG!, BGBB, BGBG!, BGGB!, BGGG, GBBB, GBBG!, GBGB!, GBGG, GGBB!, GGBG, GGGB, GGGG

P(G = B) = 4C2 / 2^4 = 6/16

not 6/24

Deusovi

@Will Whoops, you're right. I was wondering why my formula was wrong.

TheGreatEscaper

What question is this?

I can't seem to find it under new questions, or the main page.

Rand al'Thor

00:44

6 hours ago, by Animesh Ashish

There are two maternity hospitals in a town with 50 and 500 beds. Given full occupancy on a particular day, which of these hospitals is more likely to have equal no of boys and girls given probability of boys = probability of girls ? ‪

Deusovi

Someone came into chat and asked whether getting an even split was more likely with 50 coin flips or 500 coin flips. (The original was about genders of babies in hospitals, but that's the essence of the problem.)

TheGreatEscaper

so basically which is greater: (2^50)(50 choose 25) or (2^500)(500 choose 250)?

Oops that should be divided.

(2^50)/(50 choose 25) or (2^500)/(500 choose 250)?

Isn't that it? The numbers will be ugly though.

2^50 is just all possible coin flips.

(ordered)

And then 50 choose 25 is the number of coin flips which will have 25 heads.

Rand al'Thor

@TheGreatEscaper Unless there's some quick and neat way to do it, like with n^m and m^n.

TheGreatEscaper

Oops my fractions are the wrong way around.

@Rand al'Thor I doubt it.

Because I'm fairly sure (50 choose 25)/(2^50) is the correct thing to evaluate

And if you look at 50 choose 25 that has all sorts of annoying factors in the top.

You can't really do it without involving factorials in some way.

Rand al'Thor

50 choose 25 is just 50! / 25!25!

TheGreatEscaper

00:49

UNLESS, the statement always holds in one direction

Will

There's probably a way to reformulate at least part of the equation with Stirling's Approximation

Deusovi

@TheGreatEscaper I'm pretty sure it does.

TheGreatEscaper

In which case you could do it inductively?

Will

I don't wanna do the math right now, though :P

TheGreatEscaper

I'm not sure.

Deusovi

00:49

Here's a graph of the probabilities for n=1 to 9:

TheGreatEscaper

Hold up.

So the probability of an even number of heads and tails decreases each time?

Deusovi

Yeah.

TheGreatEscaper

Can't we just inductively prove that

Deusovi

Induction would probably work, but I'm really tired right now, so "just look at it" is gonna have to do.

TheGreatEscaper

And then the fact that we double it is irrelevant.

I'll give it a go.

Deusovi

00:50

The doubling is to make it possible to get 50/50.

There are 2n flips.

Rand al'Thor

@TheGreatEscaper Well, it does, by the intuitive argument Deusovi and I gave.

TheGreatEscaper

Where did this happen? (sorry I kind of just turned up in chat randomly)

Rand al'Thor

So maybe we can do it by induction, comparing n and n+1 instead of 50 and 500?

14 mins ago, by Rand al'Thor

If there are only 2 beds, then (1,1) is a pretty likely possibility.

TheGreatEscaper

That's what I was saying.

Rand al'Thor

13 mins ago, by Rand al'Thor

If there are 200, then exactly (100,100) would be quite rare.

TheGreatEscaper

00:51

That's not a proof... :P

Deusovi

That's why he called it an "intuitive argument", not a proof.

Volatility

What are we trying to prove? (was just afk)

Deusovi

@Volatility It's more likely to get an equal split with 2n coin flips when n is small.

Rand al'Thor

Yep, it's easy when you compare n with n+1.

TheGreatEscaper

I think i've done the inductino.

*induction.

@Randal'Thor nice :)

Rand al'Thor

00:54

After dividing by all the common factors, it reduces to comparing (2n+2)(2n+1) with 2(n+1)^2.

Rubio

there's a strong probability that there are a lot of math nerds in here right now. That's about the limit of my probability skill beyond the trivial cases. :)

Volatility

@Randal'Thor You can actually reduce that further to (2n+1) with (n+1)

Rand al'Thor

@Volatility Exactly.

I stopped at that stage of the reduction because it's obvious how to get there AND how to proceed from there.

Volatility

Actually that's not right (I was wondering why I was getting the probability to increase with n)

The probability should be (2n choose n)/2^ 2n

Deusovi

I made that mistake too

Volatility

01:04

so it actually reduces to comparing (2n+1) with (2n+2)

Rand al'Thor

Well, in any case it's easy to prove by induction.

Who cares about the details :-P

Sphinx

01:43

0

Q: The Ooh-Aah Cryptic Maze

As you come to consciousness, your first thought is not of the cold stone floor beneath you, nor of the skull-adorned torches hanging on the walls. ugh... I stayed up too late on PSE last night... My brain's a little fried. 'I see you're finally awake.' With a start, you leap to your feet and loo...

TheGreatEscaper

02:02

Oops, sorry, I thought the maze was the wrong way around, so I flipped it, but it was actually right in the first place, so I flipped it back. Whoops!

Sphinx

02:22

0

Q: From zero to parabola in 2 symbols

Weekend analytic geometers, get ready to race for the parabola and take your places at the starting line: 0 = ( x −1) 2 And they’re off! Three symbols ( +, y and 2 ) take the lead at an early point: 0 = ( x −1) 2 + y 2 Prospects don’t seem good for a parabola. ...

mathematics

Rand al'Thor

sees title, thinks question might be easy

notices OP, knows it won't be easy

Rand al'Thor

02:40

has a go at solving it, realises it's actually quite easy after all

Volatility

@TheGreatEscaper lol, whoops, thanks. Presumably SHEOAK is correct?

humn

03:18

@Randal'Thor Hah, @Randal'Thor, they come in all shapes and sizes, and this was purely for fun. What a thrill to see @TheGreatEscaper and you sprint through the course!

TheGreatEscaper

@Volatility yes :)

@humn it was a fun question!

Volatility

03:50

So, finally decided to enlist the help of my laptop to generate my grids. Several hours and 221 lines later, it takes a couple seconds to find a 6x6 grid, after generating 76 (!) impossible configurations.

TheGreatEscaper

?

Ahhhhhh your logic puzzle :)

I'm looking forward to it!

Volatility

:-)

TheGreatEscaper

04:15

I haven't made anything larger than 6x4 for my logic puzzles yet.

TrojanByAccident

05:15

Standard Sudoku puzzles are fine for the site, right?

Deusovi

@TrojanByAccident Sure!

TrojanByAccident

@Deusovi Great, just wanted to make sure, because I haven't seen a normal Sudoku on here for a while :P

and by "a while" I mean ever, unless my memory is bad :P

Deusovi

BG's Christmas sudoku was normal

TrojanByAccident

@Deusovi it was?

Deusovi

Yeah, and so was the New Year one from yesterday.

TrojanByAccident

05:19

Ah, no, I meant "normal" as in "using only numbers"

I guess standard would have been the proper term?

TheGreatEscaper

Standard sudokus are fine :) they can be a lot of fun

Deusovi

Well, mechanically there's no difference.

But yeah, go ahead!

TrojanByAccident

Alrighty :D

Finishing up my hand-made template

will post in a few

Another question, a little more site-wise this time - how appropriate would it be to share all the sudokus from a puzzle book you own, in say, 5-puzzle-per-question batches?

Would that be considered fishing for rep?

TheGreatEscaper

Personally I don't see much wrong with sharing non-original puzzles, BUT...

I feel like for something like sudoku, where there are many easily accessible resources online

Deusovi

I don't think that would be acceptable. At least, I'd certainly downvote it.

TheGreatEscaper

05:27

The sharing of a large amount of them doesn't hold much worth.

Deusovi

I don't think it's against site policy (except maybe because of copyright issues?) but it's a generally sketchy thing to do.

TrojanByAccident

Would there be a certain acceptable amount?

Ankoganit

Why would someone do that unless they're fishing rep?

Deusovi

^

TrojanByAccident

@Ankoganit Some people just like sharing :)

Deusovi

05:29

Yeah, I don't understand why you'd want to do that. Just batches of 5 Sudoku puzzles aren't interesting.

TrojanByAccident

*shrugs*

Deusovi

It definitely seems like you're fishing for rep. I'd heavily advise against it.

TrojanByAccident

Then, if I post just one question, is 5 too much?

TheGreatEscaper

I'm just not sure what the value of sharing non-original puzzles of a very common variety is.

Deusovi

Why are you doing this? For one, copyright law probably means you can't legally do it.

And also, if the puzzles aren't linked in any way, you should generally post only one.

TrojanByAccident

05:32

@Deusovi I don't know, it's just something I felt like doing

@Deusovi Alright

Deusovi

That definitely seems rep-fish-y.

Especially because you're so intent on doing this.

Like TGE said - where's the value in sharing non-original puzzles of a very common type?

TrojanByAccident

I'm not super intent on it, I found my sudoku book earlier today, and was just wondering if I could share one of the puzzles inside. Then I wondered if I could share more than one. Nothing else to it

Volatility

@Deusovi Oh. I was planning to post one question with 6 stand-alone grids (4x4, 5x5, up to 9x9). Is that alright, or should I split them up?

Deusovi

@Volatility It's probably fine. Posting multiple puzzles of the same type is really a grey area.

Volatility

Ah ok

TheGreatEscaper

05:37

For my grid logic puzzle, I was planning on posting a pretty large amount of puzzles in one post. They would be linked to Stack Exchange images which each contain 5 puzzles (so as to make the post fairly short instead of image spammy, and also for other puzzley reasons)

Sphinx

0

Q: What am I supposed to say?

While at the bar the other day, a friend of mine slapped $500 cash on the table along with a piece of paper, on which was written MVR YCBMD AAVO JASVQ'M WBTBZ LLVXD'F YCGD. He said if I could manage to decrypt this text, and then say it three times, the money is mine. And I could sure use the ...

cipher

TheGreatEscaper

would this be okay?

Deusovi

Yeah, I know what you're doing - that's probably fine, since they're linked together pretty heavily

TheGreatEscaper

Alright, cool.

TrojanByAccident

Anyway, I think I'll just hold off on the sudoku, and post a math puzzle

TheGreatEscaper

05:41

That cipher probably becomes a tongue twister.

Ankoganit

One thing to consider while posting some puzzle is "is the solver going to enjoy this?" For example, posting lots of sudoku puzzles means either zero effort on part of the solver (plug into an online tool) or an unreasonable amount of effort (if you want them to show steps), and neither of these sounds fun.

TrojanByAccident

@Ankoganit Well, most sudoku are posted with no-computers

but yeah, I get what you're saying

TheGreatEscaper

Computers aren't always helpful, anyway. I still remember when people 'solved' the sudoku in my page of puzzling without realising that it had a gazillion solutions without extra info. XD

TrojanByAccident

lol

Volatility

07:23

@TheGreatEscaper nice puzzle!

(although you made me force-quit a 3hr search for a 9x9 grid -.- )

TheGreatEscaper

08:25

@Volatility thanks, and sorry!

Volatility

Eh, it's all random anyway. I was more complaining about how long it was taking ;-)

TheGreatEscaper

Has your program set clue density or...?

How exactly are you trying to generate a grid?

TrojanByAccident

@TheGreatEscaper did you say you knew a programming language?

Volatility

I'm trying to generate a complete grid, and then I manually decide what clues to put in

TheGreatEscaper

@volatility ahhhhh, gotcha

@TrojanByAccident it depends on how you define 'know'

TrojanByAccident

08:33

@TheGreatEscaper I need an assistant to help me write an interpreter for two, maybe three programming languages, if you're interested

TheGreatEscaper

I definitely don't have the kind of experience for that xD

Techidiot

I knew it was hiding diagonally as the first/last letters of all answers didnt formed anything useful and hence I was forming a word with first letter of a word, second letter of word, third and likewise..seems like it was backwards :)

TrojanByAccident

@TheGreatEscaper lol, it's simple

I'm just an idiot that needs someone to check my work

TheGreatEscaper

@Techidiot was that ne ws to you?

:P

@TrojanByAccident just head over to StackOverflow

You'll be able to get proper advice/checks from experienced programmers.

TrojanByAccident

@TheGreatEscaper Ah, yeahnoimnotgoingthere

TheGreatEscaper

08:37

?

TrojanByAccident

<-- isnub

hence the name

Techidiot

@TheGreatEscaper It was too late until I figured out the news ;) Solving a puzzle on cellphone is quite a task

Will

08:57

@Rubio My goodness is it TISSUE?

Deusovi

@Will I don't see how "flow" gives "issue". (also, there'd need to be an "it" before "may", but we only mentioned that after the clue was posted)

Volatility

"issue" as a verb I think

Deusovi

Hm, how is that "flow" though? Am I just missing the obvious?

TrojanByAccident

I think it might be tissue, actually

Will

TrojanByAccident

08:59

hold on while I re-analyze the clue

Deusovi

Yeah, I think Will's right then

TrojanByAccident

So..

Will

Rubio strikes with obscure synonyms again :)

TrojanByAccident

first-last, though? @Will

Will

Last letter of "first"

Same for "east-west"

(@Rubio I think east-west was fine for that purpose, FWIW.)

Techidiot

09:02

@Will How does ISSUE fits for the rest?

Will

See my screenshot...?

TrojanByAccident

@Will right, whoops :P

Techidiot

Yeah..

TrojanByAccident

@Will same.

Techidiot

So the def is "flow...congestion"??

TrojanByAccident

09:04

@Techidiot no, the def is "may help ease congestion"

Animesh Ashish

@Randal'Thor : Did we finally conclude anything about the problem I discussed yesterday?

TrojanByAccident

@Techidiot a TISSUE may help ease congestion

Animesh Ashish

@TrojanByAccident : Did you had a look at it?

Deusovi

@AnimeshAshish We did - 50 is more likely to be evenly split than 500

Animesh Ashish

Any algebraic calculation or intuitively?

Techidiot

09:05

I guess when I amswered with SIGNAL @Deusovi explained that may help with congestion should have been thing that may help congestion..So was confused a little

TrojanByAccident

@Techidiot I'm confused about what you're saying

lol

Animesh Ashish

@Deusovi : Any calculations were involved?

Deusovi

@AnimeshAshish The probability that 2n are evenly split is (2n choose n)/2^(2n).

Animesh Ashish

Ah, So that's the catch. I am starting to love this.

Techidiot

yesterday, by Deusovi

That's not the same part of speech - it'd have to be "thing that may help ease congestion"

@TrojanByAccident that :)

TrojanByAccident

09:11

Hey @Deusovi, can you further explain your above quote?

Will

I honestly don't see the issue (pun intended)

TheGreatEscaper

Here's an easier example

Deusovi

"May help ease congestion" isn't a definition. Sure, it's a thing that a tissue does, but it's not a tissue itself.

TheGreatEscaper

Say a CAN contains things.

Contains things isn't a definition for can

Contains things is an adjective of sorts, i suppose it would be a definition for 'filled' or something like that (actually a bad example, but hopefully you get the idea)

TrojanByAccident

@Will ha. haha. haa....

Deusovi

09:13

It's a verb phrase.

It'd define "is filled", but not "filled".

Volatility

Personally I don't think it's too bad if you treat the wordplay as a pronoun, even if it's technically incorrect

Sid

I just thought of a nice cryptic clue... (At least I think, it is a cryptic clue)

Will

Yeah that's kind of my thinking too

Deusovi

@Sid Go ahead!

Sid

"Crazy Indian Government carries out instructions for Growth and Development." (3)

Sp3000

09:16

That's awfully long for 3 letters o_O

Deusovi

Yeah...

Sid

It requires a bit of knowledge of the current Govt. But googleable

Deusovi

MOD, maybe?

It doesn't quite fit, but it vaguely seems to work

Sid

Nope/

Will

GAD? :|

Google tells me that's a thing

Sid

09:18

Wait, that clue is probably not quite clear on the definition..

You know what, let it go. It isn't quite what I intended it to be...

Deusovi

What was the intended answer?

Sid

"DNA"- Def- Carries instructions used in growth and development(genetically). Current Indain Govt- NDA. Crazy means anagram.

TheGreatEscaper

Indirect anagram...?

Deusovi

Yeah, not too happy with the indirect anagram

TheGreatEscaper

I got told off for using those in a puzzle of mine once xD

Deusovi

09:21

(plus, the definition doesn't really work for the same reason)

Which one?

TheGreatEscaper

Page of Puzzling

it's the one with the 4x4 cryptic with clues out of order

Sid

Yeah.The def. was really bad. I couldn't think of something without giving away the answer..

TheGreatEscaper

I had an indirect anagram of NEED to EDEN, and 'leisurely, confused night birds' for SLOW

Hmm thought of this cryptic, I think it's nice

Postscript about tardy panels (6)

Will

PLATES :P

Sid

Too fast.

Will

09:34

Yours did made me think of "Second thoughts about myself after gym class? (7)"

Deusovi

P(ILATE)S

TheGreatEscaper

Heh, nice.

Deusovi

I love the surface reading on that one

Will

@TheGreatEscaper Smokers should be smoker

TheGreatEscaper

Oops

Sorry!

Have made the edit.

Sphinx

09:49

0

Q: A Little Cryptic Puzzle

Nothing too complicated here, answer the six cryptics and find the answer to this puzzle :) Cult or area (6) Reshot fails strangers (6) Announces hole prices (6) Programming string about single smoker (6) Fungi, so treat salads first (6) Road before holy three-dimensional prefix (6)

cryptic-clues

Techidiot

@Sid The clue would not have been an easier for non indians.. BJP -> NDA is tough to guess by a non Indian ;)

@Deusovi MOD(i) led NDA ;)

Deusovi

@Techidiot Yeah, that's why I guessed that

Sp3000

@TheGreatEscaper Twas a nice distraction, although I think #5 should be more "firsts" than "first" and "holy" is a bit iffy for #6 :)

Deusovi

I've got 1, 2, and 5

Will

10:05

I've got 2, 3, and 4

Techidiot

I mistekenly added a comment as answer. Holy!! :D

Will

Yeah you did

Techidiot

Can you remove that @Deusovi ? Thats embarassing :p Mobile version is bad :(

Deusovi

Your answer? Already did.

Will

Very quickly, in fact.

Techidiot

10:07

I deleted it after posting. Hope its not visible to >10k :)

Deusovi

Just got 6.

It is.

TrojanByAccident

gugtn, everyone

TheGreatEscaper

? Goodnight :)

Have the people who solved the cryptics determined the final answer to the puzzle?

I might change holy to 'holey'?

TrojanByAccident

@TheGreatEscaper What's the ? for? :P

TheGreatEscaper

'Gugtn'

TrojanByAccident

10:09

good
ugt
night

'gugtn'

TheGreatEscaper

Alright, then :P

Deusovi

@TheGreatEscaper Just did!

TheGreatEscaper

Good ugt night to you too, Trojan :)

TrojanByAccident

@TheGreatEscaper :P

:)

TheGreatEscaper

@Deusovi nice :) Can you see which one's the odd one out?

Deusovi

10:12

Nope!

...The last one, because it has two of the same letter?

Sp3000

(#4?)

Deusovi

Ooh, I think I see what you're going for - hold on

...nah, my rule gives two odd ones out

Volatility

I think it is #4

Will

#4

Volatility

(my approach though, may be a little left of centre)

Deusovi

10:14

...Am I missing something? I got 4 and 5 to both be "odd ones out"

Will

e... r... g... that's ...

Deusovi

I thought the rule was that (rot13) gur ahzore bs jbeqf vf gur cbfvgvba bs gur arj yrggre.

Sp3000

Technically #6 is debatable, but since #1, #2, #3, #5 follow the same pattern and #6 can follow it, it has to be #4?

Will

unless I've suddenly lost my ability to count...

which is known to happen

Deusovi

Is my rule the same one that you all have? Or am I off-track?

Volatility

10:16

@Deusovi left of centre

Deusovi

...oh, duh

I like mine better :c

TheGreatEscaper

I'm not sure I even get yours. How does your one work?

Will

I don't understand what you mean tbh

Deusovi

first clue has three words, new letter is in third position

second clue has three words, new letter is in third position

Will

ah

TheGreatEscaper

10:17

Ohhhhh.

Deusovi

sixth clue has five words (counting hyphenation as one word), new letter is in fifth position

TheGreatEscaper

Gotcha.

Deusovi

works for 1236, but not 45

TheGreatEscaper

Oh well, Occam's shaver or something like that.

:P

Deusovi

Was "in the first three letters" really the rule though? :/

TheGreatEscaper

10:18

Nope

In the 3rd position

Volatility

@Deusovi a little left of centre

Deusovi

...I'm an idiot

TheGreatEscaper

xD

Deusovi

you could've done TENORS or TENSOR if you wanted to keep the pattern

TheGreatEscaper

But then people might not even notice that they're all STORE + *

You could just read down the third letters to see an answer :P

I didn't want to do tenors cos I had enough plurals already.

Tensor I didn't recognize as a word offhand, so...

When does the grid-logic fortnightly roll over?

I mean, not that I'm ready to post (a long way away from that :P), just wondering.

Deusovi

10:24

Whenever someone can be bothered to make the new topic.

That's been our system so far :P

oh wait, I think Lukas Rotter made a bot to post the new topics

Rubio

@Will Sorry, catching up - it IS TISSUE, nice job

And here's where Deus gets mad at me. hehe

I'll not do that type of def again without proper indicator.

Deusovi

Don't worry, I already complained about that :P

Rubio

Oh, I figured. Haven't gotten to it yet :)

Will

CCCC: A canape could be the answer to all your problems (7)

Deusovi

PANACEA*

Will

10:30

yup

Sp3000

Well that's a new word for me :P

Deusovi

alright, gimme a minute to come up with a clue

CCCC: Discharge electronic picture? (6)

not sure if I should apologize for this one :P

Sp3000

I tried to discharge electronic and found myself left with IC :(

Will

ESCAPE?

Deusovi

@Will yep!

ddef with E-SCAPE - first definition refers to "escape" in the sense of "leak out of"

Will

10:37

cute

Volatility

Hmm, is "discharge" ever used in that intransitive sense?

Will

here's another easy one because I'm still not satisfied with the harder ones I've been constantly toying with

Deusovi

"The gas discharged from the container"

Will

CCCC: Desert someone in Jamaica (6)

Deusovi

I think so.

Rubio

10:42

so "east-west" would have been ok for T huh. I had second thoughts; I couldn't find anyone using just east/west that way, only eastern/western. Admittedly I don't have a lot of depth of examples to search in.

I like PANACEA, that was good

ESCAPE made me groan. :)

Will

oh crap that 7 is a typo (should be a 6) but I had to check on the oven & I need a mod to edit it

Sp3000

Personally I find both east/west and first/last questionable, but that's just me :P

Rubio

First-last definitely works. :)

Deusovi

@Rubio That's exactly what I was going for :P

Rubio

So ROs can't edit posts, just mods? or am I completely missing something

Deusovi

10:44

Not sure

Rubio

Yeah I don't think I can edit.

And whee. I just got my mathematics tag bronze badge

@Deusovi Can you edit Will's (7) to (6)

Deusovi

...I did.

Several minutes ago.

Will

^

Rubio

huh.

Weird. It didn't update on my screen, just on the pinboard.

Ignore me :)

@will I feel like this is a ddef of INDIAN

Deusovi

Indo-Jamaicans

Indo-Jamaicans or Indian Jamaicans are the descendants of people who came from India to Jamaica and are citizens or nationals of Jamaica. Indians form the third largest racial group in Jamaica after Africans and Irish Jamaicans . Along with the Chinese, they represent the wider Asian community on the island. == History == Due to deteriorating socioeconomic conditions in India under British rule, more than 36,000 Indians came to Jamaica as unskilled labourers between 1845 and 1917, mostly from North India (Rajasthan, Bihar, and Uttar Pradesh), with around two-thirds remaining on the island. The...

possibly?

Rubio

10:48

Yeah

Will

Not sure how that fits desert though (and also that'd be West Indian)

Rubio

Thar, the "Great Indian Desert". It was a thought.

Will

I'd indicate definition by example :)

Rubio

(I didn't say it was a good thought. hehe)

Will

Though "Jamaica" might be considered tenuous as it stands I guess

Sid

10:56

@Techidiot Yeah, you are right.

@Will I was thinking AFRICA but Jamaica isn't in Africa...

Rubio

While we're contemplating Jamaica ... @Deusovi any thoughts on this one and its apparent derivation‌? I want to know what receiving is doing in there - my explanation feels unsatisfying.

well that didnt work

Deusovi

No, that's right

I'm not sure about "received" either.

Rubio

There. :)

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