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Q: Mensa IQ riddle

Tim GrosskreutzI have a question about this Mensa-IQ-question: I know that the correct answer is F. But I don't completely understand why. The solution guide says the logic is to rotatate around 180 and duplucate bars. problem: in which direction the bars are dublicated? to say clockwise or conterclockwise ...

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Q: There once was an item

TCooper...It was pretty darn flat Some people may even call it a mat Supporting an integral tool to some, yet a dying tool to many At least compatibly, it supports any! Making it easier to move, even to be precise To its beneficiary's homograph, you probably won't be nice It's used at home, in the...

 
2:13 AM
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Q: Simply put, my son's baseball team

anodyne ...can't figure out what's going on with their home run statistics. In 2018, the team hit more dingers per game when at home than when away; in 2019, their totals waned dramatically but followed that same pattern. Yet combine the two years, to my surprise, and I saw the pattern mar genuinely -...

 
 
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4:57 AM
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Q: Guess the numbers

MukyuuOne day Bob and Alice walk around they were having the following conversation: Bob: Alice go ahead and pick any random number. Alice: Okay, I have one. Bob: Alice multiply the random number by X and sum every single digit(s) until it's Y digit(s) left. Alice: Done. Bob: ...

 
 
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6:18 AM
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Q: Let’s take a selfie!

Ébe Isaac My suffix is innate My prefix is on the coast I capture your expressions And remain the default for most

 
6:58 AM
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Q: When in Tennessee

anodyne (1) I am hardened yet hardly am I given a thought; Unmoved, though moving, to give what is sought; But throng be too eager, My gift, it is meager; I'll stop my inertia and render you caught. (2) I'm ripped and I'm lasered - both are quite super; You'll find that you'll need ...

 
 
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8:59 AM
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Q: Perhaps a TV airing

jafe Across 1. 1970s blockbuster's 1 down villain (4) 3. Original 1 down's candy store emptied between the 1st of November and the 3rd of January (7) 6. Superior to 1 down, among others, is lost on the battlefield (3, abbr.) 7. 1 down actor from space making comeback with energy (5) ...

 
 
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11:24 AM
CCCC hints: 1. "A safety worker" is a unit. 2. "no gin cocktail" does not clue an anagram of "no gin".
 
11:37 AM
I have (and have had for a little while) a specific conjecture about the no gin cocktail, but haven't been able to find the right other words to make it work.
 
 
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1:22 PM
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Q: A filling Vowelburger™ Riddle

TomI ordered 5 Vowelburgers™ with buns, cheese and meat - help me identify each one from the menu! $$ % custom template - do not reuse \def\S#1#2{\Space{#1}{20px}{#2px}}\def\P#1{\V{#1em}}\def\V#1{\S{#1}{9}} \def\T{\textbf{Cheese}}\def\NT{\textbf{Vowelburger}^{\;\!™}\ }\displaystyle \smash{\lower{2...

 
Avi
2:19 PM
aha, I was wondering why I was getting upvotes
:P
 
2:43 PM
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Q: My whole completes the reverse

Ébe Isaac Clip my left to complete Clip my right to reverse Clip both sides to make My whole completes the reverse

 
2:54 PM
@Avi You're famous!
@mbingo congrats on solving the meta puzzle. I'm still amazed how deus made this, and even more shocked how he had the time :P
 
Avi
3:18 PM
@Tom Fix your sacrilege, it's a Vowelburger, not a cheeseburger!!!
except for the weird inconsistency that Cheeseburgers actually have a beef patty as the meat
but, hamburgers have a beef patty as the meat also
who came up with this :(
In any case, the Vowels are the meat for Vowelburgers™
time to fix this by making my own Vowelburger™ riddle
 
3:36 PM
Pretty sure forms like "beefburger" and "cheeseburger" are backformations from "hamburger" which originally meant "one of those things from Hamburg".
 
Avi
Vowelburger -> one of those things from Vowelburgh
how to name a vowelburger riddle :(
maybe just choose one of the words and attach it, I guess
looking for somebody who can verify my sudoku solutions
i.e., that they've been transcribed correctly
I guess that person is myself
that was an easy search
 
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Q: I Spy a Vowelburger Riddle™

AviYou can find the first Vowelburger™ Riddle here I ordered 5 Vowelburgers™ with buns, lettuce, and meat - help me identify each one from the description on the menu! $$ % custom template - do not reuse \def\S#1#2{\Space{#1}{20px}{#2px}}\def\P#1{\V{#1em}}\def\V#1{\S{#1}{9}} \def\T{\textbf{Meat}}\d...

 
Avi
runs around with flaming burger
 
I worry that these are too easy. By the time they appear here they're already solved...
 
Avi
3:52 PM
Maybe we need to use cryptic clues instead :)
It's better to have non-forcing definitions, though
for example instead of mole -> spy
mole -> blemish works better
and mile -> far works better than mile -> race
it's just that I didn't see any way to describe "male" other than masculine
and clearly, that gives away the game
 
@GarethMcCaughan oh boy, i hope this isn't another riley riddle fad
I'm like okay with them now, but it was just annoying when the entire active psge was just filled qith them
 
Avi
lack lick luck lock :(
but no leck/lyck I'm aware of
 
@Avi Ooh this is where scrabble would come in handy
ma, me, mi, mo, mu, my, mm
 
Avi
ma -> Mother returns at morning time (2)
 
having them as ccs would i think make them both more interesting and difficult
the vowelburgers are pretty creative
 
Avi
3:58 PM
@GarethMcCaughan A Cryptic Vowelburger™ Riddle, please
 
plus having them as ccs gives them a pretty straightfoward way of deducing, lowering the intuition jump
 
Avi
was thinking back beck bick buck bock
but not many of those exist
 
idk about bock or bick
When I say "lowering the intuition jump" I should specify and say more of limiting the intution jump? Like everything is within the clue itself rather than some connection
have you considered consonant burgers?
 
weights | computes expensively | maybe a bad choice for computing expensively | judge | drawback
 
Avi
no those sound gross
@onsonant burgers, making a pun on consonant
except more like dissonant burgers
 
4:02 PM
a proper consonant burger would need to have 20 or 21 versions, which seems implausible
I don't think there are any word-patterns where a gap can be filled with literally any consonant
 
Avi
well, it's not that bad
you could just say we have 1 word-pattern
 
ae, be, cee? (see?), dee, ee, fee, gee, he, (eye, ie) jee, key, lee, me, (k)nee, oee, pee, qi (chi), ree, sea(see), tee, ue(yeah idk), vee, whee, xi, ye, zee
 
Avi
where a consonant may be inserted anywhere in the word
my concern is x y z q w
 
"ee" is the only thing I can plausibly think of
and thats only bc most of the alphabet are "ee" sounds
 
Avi
aiyo
 
4:05 PM
like even two of our vowels have "ee" sounds, i.e. "a" (a-ee), and "i" "ah-ee"
ehh
actually idk if "I" counts
i'd have to double check with my friend
 
Avi
bill bell bull boll ball
 
@GarethMcCaughan perhaps every vowel sound in the alphabet
Oh that's what you meant nvm
The annoying thing about english is that consonants can take multiple sounds
"c" is "k" or "s"
 
Avi
@GarethMcCaughan :( I'm defeated
it's the Judge honestly
I can't think of anything else but Judge Judy for some reason
and I've never even watched that
 
I think fo Game and Watch's side special from SSB, but that's just me
I'll solve it....
 
The judge is a little unfair, maybe.
 
Avi
4:12 PM
fand fend find fond fund
 
@Avi For vowelburgers, mass, mess, miss, moss, muss?
fand?
 
Avi
@North god knows
I certainly don't
 
minas (ancient silver weight; I thought there was a coin of that name but it seems not) | mines (e.g., bitcoin) | (Mac) minis | Minos | minus
 
Avi
aha
 
@GarethMcCaughan hmm
fand is a word, as stupid as it is
 
4:13 PM
I was trying to make one up that might not get solved in under a minute, though given the net brainpower of the PSE community I'm not at all sure that mine is good enough.
 
Avi
that's why we need actual cryptic clues
 
@GarethMcCaughan I'm negative brainpower, so it neutralizes itself
 
Avi
with extra challenge given by the fact that all of the words have N-1 letters in common
 
eyyy
MASS, MESS, MISS, MOSS, MUSS are all words
now we can't use it ... :(
 
the tool you want for this sort of thing is Qat
 
4:15 PM
qat?
 
Avi
Gathering ceremony - MASS (ddef)
 
@GarethMcCaughan like the brush tree?
 
enter e.g. AaB;AeB;AiB;AoB;AuB to get a list of vowelburgers
 
what the hell is this site holy
 
4:16 PM
enter e.g. AxBC;ABqC and (separately) ABxC;AqBC to verify that there are no consonantburgers
 
this is ... revolutionary
 
Avi
Ms. Emergency (4) - M + ESS
 
note: using it for C4 clues is considered bad form until they've been unsolved for a good while
 
?
 
Avi
Ms. Failure (4) - MISS (ddef)
@GarethMcCaughan why would you want to verify no consonantburgers
 
4:18 PM
because we were talking about whether there are any
 
@Avi Nice one
 
Avi
@North It only works well with the previous one
 
yea I saw that too
You could do MUSS with something to do with Ms. America
 
Avi
Green camouflage breaks some revolution (4) - _S SOM_< [green]
 
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Q: Number sequence 15, 18, 30, 39

tomGiven the number sequence 15, 18, 30, 39, 54, 69, 78, 90, 93 can you predict the next two values (or more...?) Note that This number sequence does not appear in the online encyclopaedia of integer sequences If necessary hints will be added in due course.

 
Avi
4:25 PM
America invades Ms. Disorder (4) - M(US)S
hence, iran
 
Mississippi disorder surrounds America (4)
idk
 
Avi
Disorder in Mississippi spreads all over America (4)
M(US)S
 
Better
 
Avi
camouf(lage b)roken - I see a BAGEL*!!!
 
what?
 
Avi
4:29 PM
"camouflage broken" contains (LAGEB), which is an anagram of BAGEL
 
BA, BE, BI, BO, BY (no BU, unfortunately)
 
Avi
ba be bi bo bu
un burro sabe mas que tu
 
wut?
 
Avi
that's the latest Spanish insult in my little brother's class
 
french?
 
Avi
4:34 PM
lol
 
oh XD
 
Avi
"Ba be bi bo bu A donkey knows more than you"
 
that's pretty good
I thought it was like a burriot
 
Avi
burriot
interesting
 
burrito
i don't thnk bu is a word
 
Avi
4:36 PM
Half a burrito breaks up protest gone wild (4)
 
think*
THANK THENK THINK THONK THUNK
thenk?
 
Avi
THANK THENK
THONK is like idk
 
"thenks - Urban Dictionarywww.urbandictionary.com › define › term=thenks
Jun 20, 2016 - Saying "thank you" in a more hip, and all around superior way."
 
Avi
THUNK is a computer science thing
 
THONK sounds like an onomatopoeia which is 100% valid
 
Avi
4:37 PM
TANK TUNK TONK TENK TINK?
TANKER TINKER
 
TINK is a word, I believe
Idk about TENK
 
Avi
tenki no ko
 
The only word I know in Japanese is Hikari
Along with
Baka
and
 
Avi
I know "no"
 
thank you
 
Avi
4:39 PM
it means "of"
 
hikari are!
 
Avi
uh
what does that mean
"Kiss tree or get out!", energetically? (6) - HICK(-or, +E)Y
slightly non-standard
oh wait, North is a tree
hides
Waitin' or thinkin' with tree (5) - _N OR TH_
Poorly constructed storage hides dangerous animals (5) - GATORSe*
not sure if legal
@GarethMcCaughan looking for legality test
 
I don't think you can do an anagram and then ask for substring-finding.
 
Avi
4:57 PM
yeah, indirect anagram or something
rip
for the most recent riddle
I believe the first step is rot13
but beyond that I'm not sure
possibly synonyms, after that
very likely has something to do with the introduction as well
"My admittedly sinner of a friend, who coincidentally has a court hearing tomorrow, jaywalked in the middle of a busy street"
but I lost interest, already
 
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Q: Can you solve this grid deduction problem?

JMPEach team (A,B,C,D,E,F) plays each other once (on a neutral ground). Maximum number of goals scorable is 4. A team gets $3$ points for a win, $1$ point for a draw and $0$ points for a loss. At the end of the season, the scores are added, and the table is sorted by points, then goal difference, g...

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Q: Jaywalking in the middle of the street

anodyneMy admittedly sinner of a friend, who coincidentally has a court hearing tomorrow, jaywalked in the middle of a busy street to hand me the following message: I Was The One Who Did [ ? ] Up The [ ? ] [ ? ] To [ ? ] That [ ? ] PBA CHER ZNLBE CEBGRPG PNE YNPX FHOFRPG What did my fri...

 
5:45 PM
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Q: Equal distribution of coins to pirates

ThomasLTen pirates are sitting around a table. Each of them has an even number of coins. At order of the captain, each pirate passes half of his coins to the neighbor to the right. After that round, each pirate with an odd number of coins gets 1 coin from the captain. Then this procedure is repeated aga...

 
6:23 PM
@Avi ?
 
Avi
7:02 PM
@North That's probably illegal BTW
since "WITH" is a containment indicator, not hidden
 
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Q: Cheer up with this riddle

anodyne My prefix weighs little, but never has mass; My suffix might, for a whole language, pass; But to me append, One more suffix at end; And scramble my innards so I'm longer at last What am I?

 
7:46 PM
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Q: My initials are MC

anodyne My initials are M.C. and know me please do; I'm related in essence to many a crew; My syllables count four, Same for vowels I'm sure; Now please decide which are false and are true: Indeed, I'm known to run... 1) alongside a shore. 2) alongside a leader. 3) on a liquid. ...

 
8:12 PM
@North Agreed! It was an awesome meta.
 
@North and @mbingo: Thank you! Glad you liked it!
 
Avi
uhhhh
 
I spent a long time just kind of staring. I hate to admit it, but I got the solution first thanks to Nutrimatic, and then tried to deduce the mechanism from that, but couldn't. So I ended up having to solve it properly in the end.
 
Avi
so like, I didn't necessarily like all the riddles
but I did really like the meta one
 
riddles?
oh
 
8:16 PM
I joined late and only really saw roughly the last three of the sixteen puzzles.
I do intend to go back and look at them, though (I'm unspoiled on the mechanisms, though obviously I've seen the answers).
@Deusovi Any in particular you're proud of?
 
A Souvenir, Battleships, and Discolored Squares are my favorites, I think?
(@Avi Which ones didn't you like? I'm happy to listen to any criticism or suggestions. These puzzles definitely aren't perfect.)
 
Avi
I had an instinctive aversion to "On The Subject of Regular Crazy Talk", I believe
 
Any particular reason? I'm a huge fan of linguistics puzzles, and I thought that one was pretty approachable
 
Cool—I did see A Souvenir. I liked the supervocalic business.
Some of the clues were tough, but totally understandably so.
 
Avi
Uh, I guess it was lacking a bit of the "aha!"
probably just a personal thing though
 
8:22 PM
I liked the Crazy Talk one.
 
Did you solve it? I think there were a few aha moments
 
Avi
I did, eventually
I think the best aha was the leap to the final answer
but other than that it just seemed a bit lacking
I don't really like linguistics puzzles in general, though, so take it with a grain of salt
I think the Odd One Out puzzle was a bit frustrating too
 
lacking? hm, how so?
 
Avi
just, unexciting, I guess
maybe you needed more explosions (next meta)
 
again, did you solve it? I think there were a few pretty big aha moments in how the language worked
I don't mean to invalidate your opinion or anything - it's totally fine to not like it
(also, same question for Odd One Out - what was frustrating about it?)
 
Avi
8:29 PM
the fact that you could get most of the patterns
but not make that final step to the answer :(
Like, it's fine
just frustrating to be stuck, I guess
 
That happens in a lot of puzzles - being "stuck on extraction" is a pretty common thing in puzzle hunts
 
Avi
argh
I must revenge myself by making a grid-deduction the likes of which the world has never seen
 
but yes there is an aha to be made that's more than just the categories
and if you don't get the aha you won't solve the puzzle - that's how most puzzles work?
 
Avi
... yes
that doesn't mean I have to like it, though
 
true!
It's totally fine to not like a puzzle for whatever reason, including 'no reason at all' or 'just not my thing'
 
Avi
8:32 PM
yup
Hence, I must make a puzzle
consisting of puzzles into puzzles over puzzles into puzzles
possibly into more puzzles if I can manage it
ooooooh
I can add a word search
 
I'm just asking because I don't want my puzzles to be unfair or uninteresting, and I want them to be as enjoyable as possible. Don't mean to 'interrogate' you or anything, just like hearing feedback so I can take note of it for future puzzles
 
Avi
no problem - they weren't unfair or uninteresting, except for the odd one out one
which seemed a little insufficiently clued, but otherwise fixed with hints
I did like the rot13(pelcgvp-eryngrq frpgvba), but it just seemed a little layered compared to everything else
 
People hadn't noticed that each category was used twice - that's one of the intended aha moments.
 
@Avi You dare to mock trees, make a cc of me, and not do it properly? Judgement shall fall on you in the form of a tree.
 
Yes, it was layered - I don't think that's necessarily a problem? I wanted a wide range of difficulty here, and I think layered puzzles are good
 
Avi
8:36 PM
hmm
I think it's better to have consistent difficulties
so I guess we agree to differ
if you would
 
@Deusovi how'd you have tim?
 
(I wanted them to be generally easier than my usual fare, too, but layered isn't necessarily hard. That step was gotten in testsolving much faster -- it seemed to me that people here just focused on the 'low-hanging fruit' of the categories without thinking about the next step.)
 
Avi
Right - they wanted to procedurally go through the steps
 
@North I made these puzzles in roughly 8 days? The panic of a deadline helped.
 
Avi
instead of trying to skip ahead?
 
8:39 PM
not 'trying to skip ahead', just looking for any bigger aha moments
because there is more to the puzzle than the categories
 
Avi
How do you look for "aha" with 8/10ths of the categories?
 
@Deusovi wow!
 
@Avi You can see that each category is used twice in the odd ones out?
 
Avi
except 1 of them, apparently
 
It's not hard to notice with that many categories solved.
or at least, it wasn't for the testsolvers and for other groups who have solved these
 
Avi
8:43 PM
Mayyybe
It could've been that I saw the answer at a time when not too many of the categories had been solved
and thus concluded it was harder to notice than it actually was?
 
0
Q: Playing Collatz with graphs

Bernardo Recamán Santosa) Given a set of positive integers, its common divisor graph (CD-graph) is the graph whose vertices are the integers, two of which are joined by an edge if (and only if) they have a common divisor greater than 1. Find a set of four positive integers whose CD-graph is the graph on the left below,...

 
Avi
at that point it felt eminently unclear
 
yes, because people were assuming that the answer was a word in the list, which wouldn't use much of the information in the puzzle
 
Avi
I don't believe that people believed that was the case
Perhaps a few, but not many
after all, what would you do with so many words besides letter selection?
Within the same day as the last category was found, the entire rest of the riddle was deduced
but it took 3 days to figure out the Carbon copy category
 
8:58 PM
The only answer seemed to say that it was, and I saw no 'pushback' on that.
 
Avi
The only answer was the only answer because people couldn't find the last category
not because it was undisputed
 
You don't need all the categories to solve the puzzle.
 
Avi
I am of a opposite opinion
 
Can you explain why? You can assemble the chain perfectly with all but two odd ones out, at least.
 
Avi
considering that nobody solved the puzzle prior to the categories being found
 
9:01 PM
Nobody here did. But it's perfectly possible to do so.
 
Avi
fair
 
And if you're missing three, there are only two possible chains.
 
Avi
that's why it was frustrating, I guess
 
Nobody did assemble the chains until the last category was found, but I think it was fair.
 
What's going on?
Sorry to interrupt
@Deusovi I liked the Flower one
The Battleship one was really cool too
But I like the Flower one the best because it was the only one I attempted XD
 
Avi
9:05 PM
We are debating the merits of the Odd One Out puzzle
I believe the puzzle was fair
but insufficiently clued to be perfect
hence, frustrating
obviously there's a fine line there for difficulty, so it's very hard to fine-tune based on the different ways people might solve the puzzle
 
hmm
 
Avi
whereas puzzles like the linguistics one were both fair and sufficiently clued
it's just that I happen to have a personal aversion to linguistics puzzles
 
@Avi I think it's sufficiently clued in its own way. It makes an intuitive leap by basically encouraging users to not keep on following a rote procedure and look at the puzzle as a whole
 
Avi
Ok, when I make a puzzle that encourages you not to look at a rote procedure, don't complain
1, 2, 3
1, 2, 4
1, 2, 5
1, 2, (riemann zeta function)
what's the next one in the series?
 
Avi
9:30 PM
Why, it's a 1, of course
I'll have you break free from the rote procedure of "solving puzzles" and give an inane, meaningless answer instead, thank you very much.
 
9:44 PM
I think "Odd One Out" was sufficiently clued.
(I got stuck at the point Avi's complaining about, but the right thing to do was also perfectly reasonable and I feel stupid having now seen what a simple thing it was.)
Avi, your "next one in the series" question is 100% XKCD 169 and you should feel bad.
Also, with "Odd One Out" it was pretty easy to work out what the answer was going to be before figuring out exactly why, and indeed I did.
(So for a puzzle hunt it would have been extra-not-unreasonable, and in its context here there was that extra hint towards working out what was going on.)
 
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Q: An Inappropriate Vowelburger™ Riddle

Rishabh2You can find the first Vowelburger™ Riddle here I ordered 5 plain Vowelburgers™ with buns and meat - help me identify each one from the description on the menu! $$ % custom template - do not reuse \def\S#1#2{\Space{#1}{20px}{#2px}}\def\P#1{\V{#1em}}\def\V#1{\S{#1}{9}} \def\T{\textbf{Meat}}\def\N...

 
once again the vowelburger (1) takes about 20 seconds having seen it and therefore (2) is already done by the time Sphinx tells us about it.
 
9:58 PM
@Avi It's not "encouraging you to not look at a rote procedure". It's encouraging you to do more than solve the individual clues -- which will be necessary, of course, because you know you have to find a single answer at the end. It seems to me that you're complaining that a puzzle has more to it than "do the obvious thing", which is... kinda the point of a puzzle?
(And yes, as Gareth said, your question is definitely XKCD 169. xkcd.com/169 )
The answer to my puzzle is not "inane [and] meaningless", and I would appreciate if you wouldn't insult it like that.
 
HTM
@Deusovi, I worked with @mbingo on the meta and really enjoyed piecing together all the steps (REGISTERED OWNER was the break-in for me, though mbingo had the right idea with the assignment). I particularly liked how every part of the puzzle, down to the extraction method, was thematic to that specific module. I'd rate this meta/puzzle series is top 5 on PSE overall
I personally didn't solve any of the sub-puzzles, but I thought Odd One Out was really nice, if not a bit unwieldy
and I had made some partial progress on Rubik's Cube before mbingo swooped in :)
I cant really choose a favorite of the bunch though, they were all really creative, mechanically speaking, and the presentation/clueing was high quality
But I did take particular interest to Blind Alleys, SET, and Regular Crazy Talk (don't think we've ever had a linguistics puzzle on PSE before)
And @Avi, I'd recommend at least doing a bit of research about what you're critiquing before saying anything
Hunt style puzzles are definitely obtuse and require some lateral thinking at times, but that's what makes these kinds of puzzles fun in the first place
I also disagree with the "all categories must be found" complaint about Odd One Out. It's entirely possible for someone to see the chain formed by the phrase categorizations before finding all the categories, making it solvable by deduction
See, e.g., this solution for A Souvenir to an example of this kind of solving technique:
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A: On The Subject Of A Souvenir

mbingo(I don't have enough reputation to comment on Alconja's answer, so I'm posting the solution as its own answer, even though they did most of the work. I'm still learning the etiquette around here—sorry if this is improper!) 6 is 11 is Next: This yields ... which yields the solution:

As long as you know how the extraction works, you can deduce the answer without having to do the entire puzzle
 
10:28 PM
Pretty sure Avi wasn't saying that Deusovi's puzzle was inane or meaningless, he was saying that about his own "next one in the series" puzzle.
 
HTM
Idk, they have a tendency to be pretty cryptic with their remarks
Fitting, cause they make a lot of cryptic clues hehe
 
@HTM Sorry about that! :D
Guess I should check out Odd One Out, huh.
 
HTM
@mbingo I even got an actual cube and stuck on pieces of tape with the letters!
Now I don't know what to do with it
 
Haha, I was tempted, but I did it the hard way in a sheet D:
 
HTM
Wow, that's a whole new level of sadism right there
You must be a literal genius to be able to do it though
 
10:37 PM
I had some experience with similar stuff from MUMS 2019. Doing rotations in a sheet is really just more tedious than it is difficult.
 
10:48 PM
 
11:14 PM
@GarethMcCaughan Sure, but it seemed like the whole point was that his "series" puzzle was an analogue of mine.
 
Hmm, maybe. Rude and unfair if so. (I think I understand where he's coming from, though; the extraction phase of a puzzle-hunt puzzle often is a matter of "guess the rather arbitrary thing the puzzle creator thought of". That doesn't mean it's bad in the way that guess-what-I'm-thinking riddles are bad, because there's always some sort of confirmation that you have the right answer, but it can be frustrating in a similar way.
(I don't think that particular puzzle is an example of that, though.)
 

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