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12:00 AM
Hm, I don't know
It feels very aggressive
"I hate to feel pressure" sounds more dubious to me
That sounds like the "pushing" pressure, like you hate to be squeezed by a hydraulic pressure
 
huh, that sounds perfectly fine to me
(though it could have either of those meanings)
"i hate feeling pressure to get perfect grades"
"i hate feeling pressure from the water when i'm scuba diving"
 
Well but the specific tense "to feel" rather than "feeling" is how I read it
"I hate to feel pressured"
And in generally pressured sounds more correct to me
(And hence why the "good(er) grammar argument" is a bit superfluous)
Again. because this isn't about grammar. Grammar is very clear cut. We're arguing over usage which is bit more loose
 
12:16 AM
yeah, i do agree that "to feel" sounds less appropriate than "feeling" there - it's not the same level of "wrong" as the "at the sky" thing, but it does feel incorrect
"grammar is very clear cut"? uh no it's not
things in linguistics are basically never clear-cut
 
12:27 AM
What I meant is that English has it's set of rules for grammar. Again, this discussion isn't about grammar, this is about usage
 
you're assuming that "grammar" and "usage" have no overlap
 
Well, if this discussion is purely about grammar, what rule is it breaking?
 
you're assuming that grammar has a particular fixed set of rules, passed down from on high. that's not how language works
 
The rules of English are just the ones that let speakers of it understand each other. They vary from place to place, from friend group to friend group.
Language and grammar evolve with the people that speak it
 
Fair, but there are common conventions and rules when I'm referring to grammar
 
12:30 AM
yes, there are
the entirety of grammar is not those common rules, though
 
"Is it I'm doing good or I'm doing well?"<---- Usage v.s. "grammar"
 
that appears to be both usage and grammar
 
I guess what I'm saying is that the discussion above (give pressure v.s. put pressure) doesn't really seem to be violating a rule of grammar I'm familiar with
 
(and "i'm doing good" is a perfectly fine construction in spoken english. it might not be acceptable in formal written english, but the written language is not the language)
like, "verbs are conjugated to match their subject, as well as the tense of the sentence" is a rule of grammar that exists in basically every english dialect. but you cannot write every single fact about grammar as a strict list of rules -- the difference in usage in "at/in/on", in particular, is notoriously difficult to define
 
Right. But is it grammatically incorrect?
 
12:33 AM
...yes?
 
What is grammar?
Perhaps I have a different perception of what it is
 
"i am _ the park": in, at, but NOT on
"i am _ the bus": in, on, but NOT at
"i am _ the web": on, but NOT in or at
this isn't a 'colorless green ideas sleep furiously' situation -- that's a sentence that is grammatically correct, but semantically nonsense
 
Wouldn't "I'm at the bus" be acceptable spoken English to indicate you have arrived at where the bus is?
 
(yes, but i'm specifically talking about someone who is currently riding the bus)
 
ah, yeah it wouldn't work then
 
12:36 AM
in the three examples i gave, the sentence's meaning is understandable, but putting some words in those blanks is Wrong for structural reasons. you do not assemble those words in that order. that means it's grammatically wrong, not just a problem of usage
 
Hm
I see what you're saying
If I may ask then, why is it wrong to say I am "on" the park?
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
not all of grammar can be boiled down into a list of hard rules
at least, not easily
 
And what's more confusing, it's perfectly okay to say "I am on park grounds"
 
yep!
but if someone told you that they were on the park, you'd be confused
 
But not "I am at park grounds"
 
12:40 AM
but "at the park grounds" is fine again!
 
the park grounds works for in, on, and at
 
I can't explain any of the grammar I know since it was all learned through osmosis and reading far too many books. I just look at sentences and decide on the spot "that looks right" or "that looks wrong"
 
Actually, "in the park ground" sounds a bit weird
@bobble True
 
"in the park ground" means that you're currently on the phone calling your friend to bail you out, because you forgot to set up your actual mechanism for your "escaping the buried coffin" trick
 
Actually "on the park" doesn't sound that weird
 
12:42 AM
sounds weird to me
 
Maybe that's because my grammar is just bad :P
 
or just different
some of these distinctions aren't clear-cut, and depend on dialect
one of my favorite examples of this is the habitual 'be' in AAVE
 
Right. AAVE is a good example of "bad" grammar by all conventional rules
But it's not "bad" at all, because it has it's own rules that it follows!
 
"conventional rules" describe the grammar of formal written english, which is one of many dialects of english
 
12:44 AM
@PrinceNorthLæraðr (its not it's)
 
(is 'dialect' the right word for a written-only thing? 'diascribe'???)
 
@bobble whoops.
I'm not sure you could call formal written English a "dialect", per se
 
What happens when you have a mod who is also a linguistic geek
 
That's like calling legal paperwork an "English dialect", which just sounds really funny
 
true, but it's close enough to a 'dialect' for this conversation, since it's 'a thing with its own grammar rules'
there's probably a term for this that i'm not aware of
 
12:48 AM
I'm not sure. "Formal written English" is like the "baseline" of the conventional rules of grammar though, is it not?
 
well, the "conventional rules of grammar" describe formal written english rather than english in general
 
And dialects are just variations, though oddly enough, the formal written English comes after the dialect, kind of
Because grammar rules were there before someone just put it on paper and was like "these are the rules"
 
there's no 'default', or 'neutral dialect'
 
Right because it's question-begging
Imagine if everything in the world was as formal as legal paper
 
by "formal" i don't just mean legal documents -- i'm speaking more generally than that
 
12:51 AM
Oh, I understand that. I'm just saying the most formal document I can think off the top of my head: which is anything related with law
Anyhow going back to our original conversation
If I put "to give someone pressure", I would think that's okay, because it sounds right to me, but you would digress because it sounds wrong to you
Is it then okay for you to say that "The puzzle is unfair/isn't legitimate"?
 
what's "unfair"? my disagreement?
 
No, the riddle itself
Or my comment that it has to work perfectly grammatically speaking
 
i think it's at least okay to argue that it's unfair. that argument may or may not hold weight depending on how common that is among english speakers
 
Right, but I don't think the comparison is fair though. The answers below clearly didn't make sense: You don't hate to "feel an eye", and you don't give someone "nerves".
 
i'm not saying anything about the other answers
 
12:59 AM
Right, but that's what that comment was referring back to
 
"giving someone nerves" is a bit weird, but not necessarily wrong -- "nerves" is often used to mean "anxiety", or something to that effect
 
@Deusovi did u copy this from discord \shrug lol
 
no, i have a keyboard shortcut set up for it
 
Or using "nerves"- that sounds odd
And I don't think it's quite correct, ish?
 
i agree that it sounds odd, but i don't think it's inherently significantly worse than "pressure"
 
1:03 AM
I would disagree, but that's probably because I've heard (and used myself) the term "giving pressure"
 
you could argue that it's worse, but i don't think it's so much worse that it would be dismissed immediately
 
I still disagree with the comments, but really, you can just avoid this by not making riddles
 
there is at the very least an argument to be made there. you may disagree, and it could be settled by further discussion. but it's not "so unsupported that it's immediately delete-worthy" bad
 
Hm, that's fair
Anyhow, my variety crossword which I think can also work as grid deduction is almost done
 
ooh, exciting
 
1:08 AM
I have to finish a set of cryptics (which I'll probably send some to Bobble to help)
I don't know if it's eligible for the Fortnightly Challenge as a new "genre" of grid deductions so we'll see
@Deusovi Are you still down to test solve it once it's done? It'll probably be done sometime this week (maybe Tuesday or Wednesday, hopefully earlier)
 
this is finals week for me, so i'm not sure how much time i'll have, but i can give it a shot
 
Hm finals is next week
^for me
I don't want to burden you with something else if you're busy
 
1:47 AM
i think i should have the time, just letting you know that i may not depending on when exactly you finish
 
 
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3:37 AM
hmmm, looking back, i think i may have found a valid alternative parsing of a clue in my crossword months ago
(on second thought, i think i won't expound for now)
 
 
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4:44 AM
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6 hours ago, by oAlt
you got the answer right, but not the intended parsing
Yeah I have @msh210 :0
 
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5:43 AM
Curious question: is this true?
@bobble I do have implies how there's been a debate/argument, while I have doesn't. — ention everyone 16 mins ago
I wouldn't have given it a second though if they just re-edited, but since they felt it was important enough to ping me about I'm wondering.
 
6:17 AM
Not really. The "do" serves for emphasis, but I do think there are reasons beside a debate or argument to emphasize the truthiness.
 
 
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8:31 AM
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Dmitry KamenetskyCan you place 9 letters in a 3x3 grid such that each row and column forms a 3-letter word? Rows are read left to right, while columns are read top to bottom. I will accept words that are found in this Scrabble dictionary.

 
8:48 AM
I'll give an early nudge for the cryptic clue, since the word has already been found: "Volkswagen" and "Touareg" are the only words to which a letter selection indicator applies.
 
9:11 AM
@oAlt sorry, missed that (obviously)
 
Haha
 
9:38 AM
hmm so "the end, in end end" = EINE somehow
 
9:52 AM
(Include the "in" at the start too)
 
10:23 AM
i thought that one was the containment indicator... hmm
 
11:08 AM
@jafe thE end IN End end
 
11:28 AM
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11:56 AM
@msh210 refer to my above nudge/hint :P
 
Regarding the grammar discussion above, I feel I should point out that "I'm doing good" is perfectly good English, as formal as you like, but in that case it doesn't mean the same thing as "I'm doing well". ("I felt guilty about working for a tobacco company, so I quit and started dedicating my time and money to charity. Yesterday I donated $1000 to the Against Malaria Foundation. Today I'm volunteering at a soup kitchen. I'm doing good.")
 
 
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3:17 PM
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JamesGiven enough time, you can solve a large 2D maze by simply following a wall. Is there any similar strategy for solving a 3D maze that can be used (no marking/memorizing places you've seen in the maze is required)?

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4:02 PM
gameN :o
(as a summary: the CCCC is almost solved. the word answer has been found (ENGINE), but the parsing is slightly off (not quite E (_N + _G) IN E). not far above this message is a hint to the correct parsing.)
oh no the formatting is messed up
eh just refer to above messages
 
 
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5:23 PM
Hello! I have a question: Why are my No Longer Needed flags declined, while the comments got deleted anyway?
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr, I sent the clues to you - check your email.
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Q: Why does flag marking as helpful/declined not always correlate with moderator action?

user1228I flagged a post and (choose one) my flag was marked as helpful, yet nothing was done my flag was marked as declined, yet the post was deleted/edited/closed Why? Return to FAQ index

Deals with the general case, though I'm not sure of the specifics of yours.
 
@bobble So basically, the comments were like unfriendly or unkind, so flagging them as no longer needed would get declined Interesting...
btw, "No longer needed" isn't mentioned in that post.
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
 
6:08 PM
@bobble Got them! Thank you!
 
6:31 PM
> mitochondrial respiratory chain complex III, also known as “electron transfer-flavin protein dehydrogenase,”
yeah, that clarification didn't help
 
Ah yes. "Flavin"
 
Did you like the clues I marked as favorites?
 
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Q: Anarchists corrupted my barcode!

flintySomebody corrupted my QR Code. Can you tell me who did this and when it happened?

 
@bobble yup! I gotta finish my portion of the clues, and I'll send you the final draft for you to look over!
I think you'll like my portal designs :)
 
I'll have you know I expect to be credited somewhere in the question... OR ELSE. dun dun dunnnnnnn
 
7:18 PM
@bobble looks like it might be some enzyme that removes hydrogen from proteins and does some fancy electron stuff?
 
yeah, it's one of the proteins in the electron transport chain (which I understand but it's too complicated to explain here)
 

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