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12:10 AM
tried for a bit, this is really as hard as it looks
don't know what "improvisation" expression could be (8,4)
and if "accompaniment" is the def then the rest of the clue is really hard to parse as wordplay
 
yup
 
12:41 AM
Could improvisation be an anagrind? Or is that not possible
 
A# could be a lot of things
like HASH or POUND or OCTOTHORPE
 
I note that INASHARPANEW and INAPOUNDANEW both have 12 letters. No luck getting any sensible anagrams from them, though.
 
A PAW INNUENDO :P
 
12:58 AM
A PAW would be found in A POUND
 
 
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2:03 AM
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Q: Three points travel along a straight line

CaseyThree points, A, B and C travel along a straight line, each having the same origin. Points A and B travel in the same direction at a speed of 5 km/hr and 10 km/hr, respectively. Point C traverses between points A and B at a speed of 15 km/hr. After 1 hour, how far from the origin is C located? ...

 
^ Wen was fast o_O
 
2:17 AM
0
Q: Figure out the missing card

Duh-Wayne-101 Look at the colored cards with numbers on them (image above). Can you figure out the color of and what's on the mystery card? The correct answer may not be what it seems at first... HINT #1: HINT #2:

 
"HINT #2: Read the answer"
 
3:10 AM
On a slightly sillier note: # (hash) could be an anagrind
 
oh hm
maybe could use EMDASH/DASH
now that would be odd
 
I'd also considered that
 
@Sphinx Hey it's Geobits' sock
 
I'm not dismissing anything as too silly by this point
 
I'm hopeless at ccs so don't rely on me
 
3:24 AM
^(&c.@)* (5)
wait that's wrong
hold on
 
Hey stacksfiller, you left twitter already, it's fine to use more characters now
 
my intention was (ETCAT)* = CARET but that's a dumb
not actually a correct anagram
-_-
 
you may enjoy this clue:
Jan 24 at 23:19, by Deusovi
CCCC: 000-ish (5)
 
It is really good
okay this is totally unfair but w/e
"Anagram"? (8)
with the answer being "nantenz va dhbgrf" -> "dhrfgvba"
 
ha!
dunno about totally unfair - it's so short that there's not much else to do with it. but it needs another question mark for the weirdness
 
3:41 AM
ok last one
½.¢% (6)
 
...you mean 7?
 
yeah
haha
 
unys bs CREVBQ, cyhf PRAG
 
yea
although it was already confirmed you got it by the correcting enumeration
 
;½: (9) is an obvious one
 
3:44 AM
Dollar sign, after first removing long rail! (1) [not sure if I came up with this one or found it somewhere. probably the latter, which is why I'm not waiting and submitting it as a C4]
found it, not mine (still a cool clue though)
 
woah
I like the clue on that page "SOLO: ONE TO ONE WITH ONE" (3)
That is 1-1 AN = HAN
that's so satisfying
 
yeah, that crossword's gimmick is that the clues are written in different fonts, and a lot of the wordplay involves graphical manipulation with that font
and that is a nice clue
 
Can you explain 10 down to me?
 
4:02 AM
that one doesn't involve graphical manipulation, apparently
The lied (/liːd/ or /liːt/, plural lieder /liːdər/; German pronunciation: [liːt], plural [ˈliːdɐ], German for "song") is a setting of a German poem to classical music. The term is used for songs from the late fourteenth or early fifteenth centuries or even to refer to Minnesang from as early as the 12th and 13th centuries. It later came especially to refer to settings of Romantic poetry during the late eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, and into the early twentieth century. Examples include settings by Ludwig van Beethoven, Franz Schubert, Robert Schumann, Johannes Brahms, Hugo Wolf or Richard...
 
boo
 
Sid
I enter to see something related to music. Boo
So, Gareth has done something naughty. Well, when your clue has stuff like # it's obvious that there is something fishy going on
 
pretty much ^
 
Sid
Also, #=Shift 3. Maybe rot 3 something?
 
(as an aside, I love how many crazy things this chat has come up with just from hearing the two words "slightly naughty")
 
Sid
4:18 AM
Since I am getting nowhere hear, lemme just throw this thing out
Is it MNEMONIC PACT? (Accompaniment+a-2a)* with # as anagrind?
I am 90+% sure this is wrong but whatever
 
4:52 AM
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Jamal SenjayaArrange numbers 1 to 10 to the squares, with rules : The difference between 2 numbers connected by a line is more than 2 Number inside the blue square is an even number. Numbers inside the green squares are prime numbers.

 
5:34 AM
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Q: "How to Format" box has bullet points that look like clickable drop-down arrows

Duh-Wayne-101 The triangle bullet points in the How to Format box look like clickable drop-down icons (at least to me). Should they be changed to round bullet points to avoid confusion?

 
 
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6:55 AM
Does # normally have a meaning in cryptic notation?
 
No, none that I know of.
(But the # symbol is somethimes called hash and therefore it might be an anagram indicator.)
 
I like the idea that it's an anagrind then
 
Hmm, but what's to be anagrammed, then? Just IN A? Which is the followed by A N for a new?
My take on this is that it could be an anagram of A SHARP A (or A + plus any of the other common names for the # sign, of which there are surprisingly many) around something that means accompaniment. Not that this idea has gotten me anywhere ...
 
Sid
I really wanted # to mean shift 3. But, sadly that doesn't lead to anything other than gibberish
 
Another idea that has fallen flat, too, is that since the # must be spelled, the dash (--) should also be spelled and contribute to (I A SHARP DASH A)*. But if so, what's the accompaniment for?
 
7:10 AM
Is -- the en dash?
 
Sid
(How do you get I?)
 
@Sid But what do you want to shift, just the A? And Gareth probably has a UK keyboard, which has a pound sign (£) where the US keyboard has the hash mark. The hash mark doesn't need a shift on the UK keyboard and it sits next to the two-storey enter key, where it also is on my keyboard.
 
Sid
Ah. Didn't know that
 
@Sid Oh, that was supposed to be IN. But then it's one letter too many. So perhaps, (IN A HASH DASH A)*, which is a dead end, too.
 
Sid
Gah. This is so frustrating.
I am sure Gareth will be enjoying this
 
7:16 AM
@MOehm heh, was that pun intended? I laughed at 'fallen flat' in the context of this clue.
 
(And now that I've tped DASH so ofte, I've got the eight-letter word "slapdash" sitting in the back of my brain. But slapdash means done shoddily and in a hurry, not improvised.)
Oh, I see. You mean flat as opposed to sharp. No, that wasn't intended. My intended puns are worse than that.
 
Sid
@MOehm you should then make unintended puns
 
@Sid I have no intention to do that.
 
It could mean "flat" in the CC, though
 
(Meanwhile, I've learned that there is a Slapdash improv festival in London.)
 
7:21 AM
Also, any chance "accompaniment in A#" is an actual musical piece?
 
The idea that A# really is B♭, and Gareth has said that A# would be an unusual key to use, because of the profusion of sharp symbol in the score.
 
7:33 AM
@JohnDvorak Whether a dash is an en or an em dash is a matter of typography. In (Anglo-Saxon?) typewriting, --indicates a dash, as opposed to a hyphen. (But in Latex, -- gets you the en dash and --- the em dash, If I remember correctly.)
 
7:47 AM
@Sid The answer is not MNEMONIC PACT.
 
what happened to the CCCC pin?
Aug 1 at 0:57, by Rubio
CCCC is Cryptic Clue Chat Chains! Latest clue is ⤴ there! Join the fun! See Deusovi's Cryptic Clue Guide and GPR's Archive & Statistics of past clues.
 
It still seems to be pinned, and in particular I can't re-pin it. So I don't know why it isn't on the board. I know that this, or something like it, happens every now and then. The usual fix is to post the same thing again and have everyone pin it again.
CCCC is Cryptic Clue Chat Chains! Latest clue is ⤴ there! Join the fun! See Deusovi's Cryptic Clue Guide and GPR's Archive & Statistics of past clues.
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(There is no way to guarantee that the arrow will always point in the right direction. I suppose we could make it point down, and then edit it to point up when necessary.)
 
That's okay. "Join the fun" isn't true for all clues, either. :)
 
 
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10:22 AM
Is A# a programming language derived from A as C# is derived from C?! (I know C came from B and I assume that came from A...)
 
The B programming language was derived from BCPL.
(But Wikipedia tells me that there is an A# programming language. It's a port of Ada to .NET.)
 
ah well
ooh
 
Because B came from BCPL, at one point there was some joking about whether C's successor should be called D or P. Of course it ended up being C++. As C++ programmers are aware, the meaning of C++ is: "Add something to C, and then use the old version instead of the new one."
 
Huh?
 
int C = 1;
printf("%d\n", C++);

will display 1, not 2.
 
10:34 AM
So to change C we would have to do something like C=C++ or whatever?
 
Uh, oh, no!
 
oh, no, after you do C++ C has been changed
so if you then say printf("%d\n", C) then this time it will display 2
 
@Wen1now ++C
 
but being more precise about that would spoil the joke :-)
 
Detendez-vous, I don't program in C++
 
10:35 AM
There is a lot to be said in favour of that choice.
 
^
 
I opened a C++ IDE and IDLE for a programming competition today and ended up writing 6 programs in Python and none in C++
 
I cannot think of any reason to use C++ rather than Python for a programming competition unless there are severe running-time constraints and you really need the efficiency.
 
Python is short and sweet.
 
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10:37 AM
To date I've only ever seen people use C++ for one thing and it's competition programming. But maybe I just have the wrong types of programmer friends.
And yeah usually the efficiency - lets you have more naive algorithms sometimes
 
^ & ^^
GameN all
 
Naive algorithms would be nice for me. If I'm lazy (most of the time) my code is hideously inefficient
 
The company I work for makes hardware that contains embedded software, on a not-incredibly-limited processor. We write that software in C++. This works OK for us. I think C++ is a fairly common choice for somewhat-resource-constrained applications like ours.
 
10:52 AM
@GarethMcCaughan Basically almost always then
 
Sid
Um... I do sometimes code in C++...
but that's because I don't know much of other languages
 
I have seen at least two very popular applications written in C++: sql engines and search engines
But usually if you're writing C++ it's something that needs to be fast no matter what
 
Okay, okay. C++ wins
 
11:06 AM
Does anybody want to play contact?
 
Want yes can no
 
o/
could also play one of the other three
 
\o
Could go for any of the 4, although Zendo is a little slow for my tastes.
 
Sid
@BeastlyGerbil I just found your brother. :P
 
11:24 AM
0
Q: My first and simple riddle

AnuragSo I have created my first riddle and simpler for many of you. Hope you like it! I can be personal or a commercial but for spreading the information and thoughts. Remove the first character and you will find me on the web server or under the tree. Don't think to remove ...

 

 Contact

For playing the game Contact, where one person tries to "defend"...
 
Okay, nobody's around. I'll be gone off to bed then
 
 
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1:21 PM
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Q: A riddle for everyone

AnuragSo I have created another riddle for all riddle lovers. Might be easy for people out there but I want you guys to give me a correct explanation of each stanza. You find me attached to many things in life, Many of you throw me out after using that thing. Replace a single character with ...

 
 
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2:57 PM
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vszThe driver of a vehicle braked all the way while driving up a hill, and then proceeded to accelerate all the way driving down the hill. The driver a vehicle wanted to meet up with someone traveling in the same direction, with the same speed, but far ahead of him. So he started braking to reduce ...

 
@Mithrandir All nuked.
 
3:16 PM
(thumbs up)
 
Sid
3:40 PM
How easily nukes are used around these parts...
 
Sid
@Gareth now, I guess, 48-hour hint?
I really am stuck and frustrated on this C4
 
4:32 PM
I'm not familiar with either "accompaniment" or "improvisation" as indicators, so... yeah.
 
Is it 48 hours already? OK then. I can give another hint, answer a question about the clue, provide a letter, ... Requests?
 
I have too many questions to suggest a good one
Your last hint was: "I have done something slightly naughty."?
Dunno if there were any before that
 
That was my only hint, other than clarifying that the clue does not depend on arcane musical knowledge.
 
Can I ask a specific question or do I just say "hint please" and you give something (probably indirect)?
 
4:48 PM
You can do either. How I respond, if at all, is of course up to me :-).
 
Hmm...
Okay, I have a question, unless anyone else objects
No objections, then.
 
TSL isn't exactly busy at the moment, so there won't be many around to object. (I don't. I have no idea or maybe too many friutless ideas to think of a good question.)
 
Is the answer a 1. proper noun, 2. common phrase, 3. pun, or 4. something else?
 
Any objections to my answering that question?
 
Not from me.
 
4:53 PM
...Unless it's worded poorly
and Gareth answers "Yes"
 
I don't take part in CCCCs (with one exception), so I don't have a stake in this.
 
Okay, rephrasing that
Which of the following is true about the two words?
1. they are a proper noun
2. they are a common or recognizable phrase
3. they form a pun
4. they have nothing to do with each other
 
Is the idea that exactly one of these should be the case? Making no comment on the actual answer, it seems to me like more than one of these could be true at once.
 
...5. the first letter is A
6. the first letter is B
...
30. the first letter is Z
31. the second letter is A
32. ...
:P
 
I'm quite happy to provide a letter :-).
 
4:57 PM
Fine. Provide a letter.
 
(that was a joke, intended to be equivalent to you revealing the whole answer)
 
Excuuuuse me, princess @Deusovi
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@MikeQ Would you actually prefer a letter or some semantic information along the lines of the question you asked earlier?
 
Semantic thingy please
 
OK. The answer to my C4 is a noun phrase.
(So, all hints so far: 1. Doesn't require arcane musical knowledge. 2. There is at least one slightly naughty thing. 3. Answer is a noun phrase.)
 
5:15 PM
-- is M in morse
 
I think -- is just how Gareth types his dashes.
 
Yes, it's how em dashes are typed.
 
In posts you can use —
Does it work in chat — let's test.
 
In that case, A# is probably atomic? Because # -- doesn't mean anything?
 
Chat doesn't have HTML formatting.
I highly doubt that # doesn't mean anything. He could've used "A", after all.
 
5:20 PM
Not the #. The group "# --".
 
You can always start an answer with — and then copy the dash from the preview over to your chat message if you really wanted proper em-dashes.
 
And "naughty" can mean anything from "suggestive innuendo" to "stretching the cryptic clue rules" to "nothing"
 
And given that the most probable defs are accompaniment and improvisation, it is not surprising that the answer is a noun phrase. We've squandered our three wishes!
 
5:47 PM
I did ask if there were any objections...
 
I haven't said: you have squandered ...
I wouldn't have had anything better to ask.
 
6:05 PM
There had to be something better to ask :/
Or we could have gone with the "Gareth can say what he wants" option
 
Sid
Why does Gareth always give such hard clues?
 
In hindsight, revealing a letter might have been more useful. But who knows, perhaps Gareth would just have said: The answer has an A in it.
 
6:24 PM
The answer contains letters from the English alphabet
Okay, accompaniment and improvisation are both 13 letters, but anagramming those letters minus a wasn't it
And I think the discussion earlier was saying that "--" wasn't a decrement
 
We know that anagram wasn't it
 
I'm just compiling what we already know
I am a compiler
 
(()
 
You monster!
Gareth said the clue doesn't require arcane musical knowledge, but it may require some if A# -> B flat, although I don't see how that translates into some recognizable form of wordplay
 
6:53 PM
I think the A# == Bb equivalence was already ruled out.
 
no one got it to work, but no one got anything else to work either
 
I can imagine that music is just the surface and that accompaniment refers to wine, perhaps.
Also, accompaniment seems to be the best opportunity to introduce the purported naughtiness.
(Or the naughtiness is really a noughtiness and the # represents noughts and crosses: OOXX.)
 
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7:09 PM
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Q: Consecutive Towers of Hanoi

Mike EarnestConsider the following variant of the Towers of Hanoi puzzle. There are six pegs. One of the pegs has a stack of $n$ differently sized disks, sorted by size so the smallest disk is at the top. All other pegs are empty. The goal is to move this stack to a different peg. You may only move one dis...

 
Sid
What if the naughtiness is not for hash?
 
maybe we can ask where the naughtiness is tomorrow :P
 
Sid
Lol. Yeah
 
7:40 PM
such a long day today has dayed
 
@Sid My previous one was solved in minutes. My clues aren't always hard, but they sometimes are, and I guess those ones are more memorable.
 
@Sconibulus Has it been a long 24 hours?
 
Yeah. I don't think anyone here gives consistently hard clues. We just remember the hard ones.
 
Sid
Dayed? Is that a verb?
 
anything is a verb if you try hard enough
 
7:46 PM
it wasn't a verb, but you can verb any word you want
 
I see what you did there
 
> verbing weirds language
 
I can't understand most of Gareth's clues without a Google search, so at least to me they are consistently hard
 
there was that clue of Gareth's that involved an obscure British children's cartoon character. that one was... interesting
 
The one about Ermintrude with no hesitation?
It would be a simple clue... if anyone actually knew the character
 
Sid
8:00 PM
@ffao same here. I always have had to extensively Google search Gareth's clues
 
Yeah, that one.
 
What's happening? Are we all googling for an impropvisation? Or for an accompaniment?
 
@MOehm Yes but I gave up
 
That's what I do now, too. Good night.
 
Sid
@MOehm let's split up. Half of us should Google for improvisation and half of us should Google for accompaniment. :P
 
8:21 PM
I've been staring at lists of (8, 4) phrases.
No luck there either.
 
Sid
What is a noun phrase, again?
 
A phrase that can be used as a noun. That's pretty much it.
 
Sid
That...doesn't help.
Example?
 
I mean, a phrase of the form (adjective, noun) is a noun phrase.
 
clearly it's Aspiring Harp :)
 
8:24 PM
"National debt", "absolute zero", "chemical bond"...
 
pairing in A Sharp - A
 
sounds semi-plausible, but it's not a Thing
 
it's just new :)
 
(I mentioned HARP potentially being the second word a while ago)
 
I improvised
(I do not think this is actually the answer)
 
8:26 PM
(yeah, I didn't think you did)
 
Hmm, some bad maths actually puts Gareth CCCCs among the most difficult
 
Sid
Obviously Aspiring Harp is correct. :P
@Sconibulus bad maths?
 
well, ugly maths
 
What could "new" mean (as wordplay) in the CCCC?
 
I borrower a column way to the right of the Archive and Statistics to do a calculation
anew could be an anagrind
the calculation is very rough and probably meaningless
 
Sid
8:32 PM
To show: Gareth's C4 are the most difficult.
It doesn't matter how you reach the conclusion as long as you reach the conclusion
 
well, not the most difficult
G as in Gnome comes in at a .8 vs Gareth's .77, and there are a couple other people above 1
(I have a .75, which brings me shame)
 
Sid
What is this ratio?
 
it's average number of days unsolved
for the wildly unscientific definition of day we use
stacksfiller seems to be easiest at .07
(barring some 0's)
 
Sid
My clues are not the easiest?
I am surprised
 
8:37 PM
you were at like .09
oh, wait, there's some funkiness near the bottom
 
Some CCCCs are solved within minutes
 
Sid
One of the easiest then.
 
looks like having fixed that, Sid's at .1, and stackfiller at ~ .11
 
whose are the hardest?
 
ooh, and I'm down to .625
Gareth's still at .77ish
 
8:41 PM
whoo
I'm not completely the easiest
 
Rand's at .8
 
I do see why mine are sometimes super easy though. Sometimes I'm just interested in the idea of the clue that the actual execution comes out trivial
 
I wish I knew how to just make a table of the person and their point though
 
yeah, me too, Stacks
 
rather than having to search for clues they made
 
8:43 PM
How do I calculate this ratio
 
just like with people though, easy doesn't necessarily mean bad ;)
 
You can look at the calculation in the Statistics
 
pff
 
it's over at S, has the math I used
feelinferrety is 1, which is the biggest I've seen so far, but I think I got 6 on a Max
 
Sid
@Sconibulus That is good. Now, time to think of harder clues. :P
 
8:45 PM
"Someone crazy lacks filters" (12)
 
Silenus is now bottom at .09 (among nonzero)
 
(I'd save it for a cccc but who knows how long that might last)
 
Sid
@stacksfiller 2 seconds. STACKSFILLER
 
yea
I like that surface
 
yeah, that surface is pretty nice
 
8:47 PM
very applicable
 
Some portion of the scores is probably explained by timezones too
 
I could turn it into a &lit if it were a noun phrase instead of an adjective phrase without "Someone"
 
@Sconibulus 6 is boboquack
 
Okay I have a 0.7272727273. Is that good? Bad?
 
that means you're among the most difficult according to this arbitrary measure
Average is around .4
 
8:50 PM
Yay?
 
whatever floats your boat :)
I did the calculation to fact-check Sid's claim that Gareth is mean makes hard clues :)
 
Sid
So, my claim is based on some (unknown to me- hatred) towards Gareth? Or does it have even some semblance of truth in it?
 
I think he's the one who scores highest on this measure that has made 5 or more clues, but I'm not positive
 
9:24 PM
0
Q: Mazes For Two or More

Robert SuchI am interested in mazes that can be adapted to require two or more people to cooperate to solve. Some examples include Robert Abbott's Meteor Storm, Oscar van Deventer's Counter-Step Maze and his three dimensional mazes broken into three planes. Do you have any other ideas?

 
9:43 PM
Anyone around?
Up for a game?
@Deusovi done with class for the day?
 
@feelinferrety (Some of?) your comments on the guess-my-word→hangman→riddle puzzle are obsolete, and should probably be deleted now
 
Is that the prescribed method of doing things? I mean the revs are still there...
 
@Sphinx This feels off-topic to me as a request for a list, but it may be narrow enough that it's ok. Anyone know of examples of what they're looking for, who could advise on if this is confined enough to be reasonably answerable?
 
I think it's a good question. It's sort of like a "searching for this kind of puzzle but don't know what it is" type post. I tried to add tags, but couldn't think of an appropriate name to search, or else it doesn't exist.
 
@feelinferrety sure - when a concern in a comment has been addressed, the comment no longer serves a purpose, and that's exactly what the "no longer needed" comment flag signals. I prefer asking people to tidy up after themselves when possible, though.
 
9:49 PM
because I'm bad at riddles, I just solved it by mentally going through o(pion??)*s
 
@Rubio Okay, I'm typically one who likes to see the history of things, so I don't like removing stuff, but if that's the way it goes here, then so be it
 
"going through" might be a bit of an overstatement, that evokes the answer almost immediately
 
@feelinferrety Yeah, why?
 
Gaaaaames?
 
@feelinferrety I will be available for games later, maybe in an hour or so.
 
Sid
9:53 PM
People are so addicted to these games...
Mainly contact
 
i really want to try zendo but i'm always on at the wrong time
 
Eh, not right now.
 
I've been tracking it for a few days now
Contact is roughly ~~800 messages behind atm
I can't subtract, I mean ~700
 
@thecoder16 My feeling was that it's not great without a strict play method and/or a bot
 
hmm idk
 
10:07 PM
it's good when it works
if it doesn't work it can be terrible
 
pretty much this
 
10:26 PM
0
Q: Ropes and Clothes

Burak MeteYou have infinite amount of ropes with lengths of 2 meters each. And there are 2 trees outside which are 4 meters apart from each other. You want to hang some of your newly washed clothes that have to be dried in a windy day. My question to you is this. How would you hang your clothes, by using ...

 
@Sphinx Ehhhhhh
 
@Sphinx I mean you could just hang your clothes on the trees
 
10:52 PM
"I would accept more than 1 answer if it sounds reasonable." huh?
 
I think this qualifies as opinion-based?
Possibly too broad, as there's no guidance as to measurements aside from rope segment lengths.
Either way, I VTCed. I would, however, heed the word of the consensus among the regulars.
 
11:33 PM
now I'm almost sure that the hanoi solution is optimal
absolutely no clue how to prove it though
 
11:51 PM
please wait 10 minutes before upvoting that, I'm repcapped! xD
 

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