Programming Language Design and Implementation

lyxal

00:47

ooh a 4 diamond mod committed

Ginger

01:16

yo

I'm pretty annoyed I missed the big moment but at least I'm not too late

in Off-Topic TNB, 2 days ago, by Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms me when sulfuric acid (I like sticking my face in sulfuric acid)

@RydwolfPrograms xkcd.com/2015 moment

lyxal

01:51

"have a commitment score" they said

"it's a good metric about member quality" they said

> 52% commitment score

> 14% of 200 people

Yes

Very good

Ginger

02:04

it's a really dedicated 14%

lyxal

> i registered my interest back then, got an email about this update but fucked if i can work out how to log back into area51 to commit

source

Ginger

:|

Unrelated String

:|

the classing

*c

Ginger

> A few months ago

*checks date* holy shit

Rydwolf Programs

°.|

Ginger

02:09

@RydwolfPrograms pirate with an eyebrow patch

Rydwolf Programs

Hold up what's an eyebrow patch

For pirates who lost their eyebrows?

Ginger

yeah, it's what you get when you burn your eyebrow off

Rydwolf Programs

Also since this probably renders differently for different people here's what it looks like for me:

Ginger

pretty similar here

lyxal

that's what it looks like for me

lyxal

02:35

What's the deadline for commitments?

Rydwolf Programs

4 months IIRC

Also I don't recall ever having seen this green before

Proposals in commitment seem pretty rare

Which makes me think it tends to be the quickest and least risky of the stages

Unrelated String

04:54

yeah it's almost certainly that

since it doesn't require the quality of participation that definition or beta do, and you get people who followed back in definition committing anyways

lyxal

05:07

The only effective way to get things done :p

That moment other people are getting referrals yet I'm missing out on a whole lot because I didn't use my affiliate link on reddit

(not that I could - people would probably think it'd be too much self promotion lol)

35 people in less than a day

Good job

lyxal

06:17

I've had big brain idea

Start planning questions for the site now so we have a stockpile

Like title and body

That way, we can collectively post 10 from a large pool

Unrelated String

ooh

getting bodies ready is smart

lyxal

06:43

Unrelated String

nice

lyxal

07:18

63% commitment score, 19% users

That's what I call balanced :p

lyxal

07:40

lyxal

09:08

25% there in less than 12 hours

Speed

Unrelated String

the fast

lyxal

10:17

Ginger

11:49

@UnrelatedString ~~I've got a bunch of them in my basement if you need more~~

wait frick I just realized this might actually work

and then I'll have to be on two sites

lyxal

12:04

reddit.com/r/programming/comments/10uq2qr/comment/j7fes4z/…

how clear is that explanation of how this whole process works?

Ginger

lgtm!

lyxal

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A: What is a programming language?

This is Better Suited as a Meta Discussion Once the Site Launches That's not to say this question is a valid question...hell, it's actually something that'll need to be defined pretty quickly once private beta starts! It's just to say that this discussion will be better suited for the on-site met...

that doesn't sound too dismissive/aggressive does it?

I'm just trying to say that I think it's a question that should be discussed on the PLDI site rather than A51

Ginger

I agree

lyxal

Feel like this person may have missed the point

(from the reddit post)

Ginger

"and other morons"

look if you're going to rant about something with no relation at all to the subject at hand at least have good grammar while doing it :p

lyxal

12:14

reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/comments/10v554r/…

Ginger

We are once again asking for your support

lyxal

also, on the r/programming post:

thems good metrics

Ginger

noiec

lyxal

too right :p

Ginger

if only they knew

lyxal

12:21

top of hot on the sub

Ginger

:D

lyxal

as you can tell, I'm having way too much fun with this :p

Ginger

~~yeah cause you get like 300 karma out of it~~

lyxal

~~no because karma scales down for each upvote~~

Ginger

~~what~~

lyxal

12:24

~~ye, the first upvote is 1 karma, the second is 0.999 and so on iirc~~

Ginger

~~til~~

lyxal

if it was 1 upvote = 1 karma, I'd have more than 12k post karma

yet here we are (again) (~~it's always such a pleasure~~)

I'm having fun because of the thrill of seeing big numbers go up everywhere

the commitment numbers, the post view numbers, the vote numbers

all of them!

Ginger

numbers go brrrrrrrrrrrr

lyxal

12:46

uh oh it's the question

@RydwolfPrograms I copied your response to the question from the other post

look at this bingus of a dingus

mousetail

@lyxal this is such a odd part about human psychology I don't understand. Why do we love seeing numbers go up so much? Most games are about this. Yet I can't understand it from a evolutionary perspective. There are no numbers in nature, let alone numbers going up that help you in some way

@lyxal r/wooosh

lyxal

can't blame me for thinking it was an alt of the other person given that it managed 3 upvotes and a downvote on mine :p

lyxal

13:07

doing good

mousetail

Can we do it in 48 hours?

lyxal

it'd be cool if we could

Ginger

13:19

@lyxal lmao

lyxal

is there some joke I'm missing here?

the esperanto SE is unrelated to PLDI

so where's the funny there

(I get the second domain, not the first)

Ginger

esperanto is a constructed language

you know what else is a constructed language?

lyxal

conlangs

mousetail

@lyxal The joke is that questions on SO are often closed as duplicates of unrealted questions

Ginger

~~you're mom~~

mousetail

13:21

At least, according to the stereotype

lyxal

@mousetail ah

I suppose I'm a little sensitive about people calling the site proposal dupe of things given it's been closed as dupe before (twice)

Ginger

what

lyxal

nods head this isn't the first time I've followed a programming languages proposal

+ it was tried before that time too

Ginger

but we are the [[Number 1 rated Proposal1997]] so we will succeed where they failed

lyxal

that's right

mousetail

13:23

I think it's failed since 1997

lyxal

@mousetail now you're the r/wooshed :p

Ginger

@mousetail clearly you aren't a [Big Shot]

more like a [[Little Sponge]]

mousetail

I'm bigger than I was in 1997

lyxal

You clearly need [Mike]

Ginger

Mike...

mousetail

13:26

(I was born in 98)

lyxal

@Ginger DON'T BELIEVE [[Anything You See On TV!]] THE MAN'S A CRIMINAL, I TELL YOU!! A CRIMINAL!!

Ginger

EAHAEHAEHAEHAEH!!!

mousetail

My confusion is gradually increasing

Ginger

@mousetail WHAT!? YOU DOn'T HAVE ENOUGH [Wacky Stacks]!? Kid, you're [Killing] me! HAHAHA!! HAHAHA!!! PLEASE STOP [Killing] ME I WILL GIVE Y OU ANOTHER DEAL.

lyxal

Please pay [$4.99] to unlock the [KEYGEN] to the [fUnnY]

mousetail

13:27

My confusion gradient is getting steeper

lyxal

WOuld you like a [ring] of [thorns] to make it [stronger]?

Ginger

MAYBE A LITTLE [[Hyperlink Blocked]] ON THE SIDE?

lyxal

it'll be [One Purchase] YOU WILL [Regret] FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!

Ginger

YOU TOO CAN ENJOY OUR [No Money Back Guaranttee]

lyxal

HOCHI MAMA WHAT A [Deal or No Deal]

Ginger

13:30

@mousetail KID!!! IN BUSINESS YOU NEED TO SAY YOU'RE INTERESTED!!!

mousetail

????????¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿̉????????

lyxal

DONT WORRY KID I WILL GIVE YOU [Deal Insurance] ONLY FOR THE LOW, LOW PRICE OF 1000 KROMER. AN AWESOME PRICE.! AN ABSOLUTELY [[Terrifying]] PRICE PRICES SO LOW, EVERYONE I KNOW IS [[Dead]]!!!

Ginger

@mousetail THAT'S THE ATTITUDE YOU LITTLE [Slime]! DEALS LIKE THIS ONLY COME ONCE IN YOUR [[Ant-sized]] [[Rapidly-shrinking]] LIFE!!

mousetail

This sounds like the radio from Control

Ginger

BELIEVE IT OR !! WE USED TO BE BIG SHOTS. WE USED TO BE THE [[Biggest]] OF THEM ALL? BUT NOW OUR [[Home-made Storefront Site]] NEEDS YOUR [[Genorisity]]

mousetail

13:32

Or the Looker

Ginger

SO WHY DON'T YOU GO A HEAD AND [[Commit]] YOUR [HeartShapedObject]?? DO THAT... AND YOU HAVE MY [Specil Guaranttee] I WILL [[Pass My Savings Onto You!]]

lyxal

@mousetail Control? IF YOU'VE [[Lost Control Of Your Life]] THEN YOU JUST GOTTA GRAB IT BY THE [[Silly Strings]]!

Ginger

WHY BE THE [[Little Sponge]] WHO HATES ITS [[$4.99]] LIFE

lyxal

WHEN YOU CAN BE A [BIG SHOT]!

Ginger

[[BIG SHOT!!!!]]

lyxal

13:35

THE BIGGEST!

Ginger

AND WE HAVE JUST.

lyxal

THE THING

Ginger

YOU NEED

lyxal

THAT"S

Ginger

[[Hyperlink Blocked]].

lyxal

13:37

Before I go for the night, one last thing

🔵

Ginger

🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵

lyxal

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A MAN OF THE [PIPIS]. A REAL [PIPIS] PERSON

2

o/

Ginger

\o

DON'T FORGET TO [Like and Subscribe] FOR MORE [Hyperlink Blocked]!

[[Number 1 rated Proposal1997]]

17 mins ago, 15 minutes total – 50 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 16 secs ago by Ginger

mousetail

14:54

@lyxal did you post only on the programing language design sub or all the other subs as well?

Rydwolf Programs

Looks like we're gonna hit 100% commitment score within 24h lol

We're at 92% rn

mousetail

Yea raw numbers is going to be the bottleneck

we're really close in the >200 rep category 2

Rydwolf Programs

15:23

We have a nice number of committers

@lyxal :o plagiarism

I'm gonna report you to the CIA

Ginger

15:48

we're about to hit [[Critical Mass]]

Rydwolf Programs

16:07

@lyxal lmao

@lyxal We should probably also save up our best ones for public beta

Starting off with some good HNQ bait would be a good idea

Since the HNQs are so broken with lots-of-answer questions, we should save our list questions for then

Ginger

we do a little strategizing

Rydwolf Programs

Or some of them, at least. We can use them as necessary to optimally tweak our answer ratio during private beta.

lol:

Ginger

I thought you'd be interested in that proposed Q&A site

parz

Committed

Rydwolf Programs

:D

Ginger

16:14

:D

parz

:D

Ginger

one more user for the site, and one more internet point for me :p

~~needs more exclamation points~~

parz

intornut pwantz

Ginger

took me a second to parse that message

parz

Ginger’s mind:

ADEJKAFELHJJLHWEFJHKAFEILAOUBFK WAT DIS

mathcat

16:16

> petition to rename this proposal to bikeshedland

we should definitely do that.

parz

@mathcat yes

Ginger

what

Rydwolf Programs

Ooh we need some questions about bikeshedding

parz

yes

Rydwolf Programs

We currently don't have much about the language design process itself

Ginger

16:17

@mathcat (in case, like me, you have no idea what this message means)

mathcat

@Ginger aw I made 5 ppl commit but forgot to use the referral link

Ginger

@parz are you sure? you're not listed as having commited

parz

it’s under “john smitty”

i think

Ginger

didja log in to area51?

it can be screwy sometimes

parz

the commit button turned into an uncommit button

yeah

prety sure i did

mathcat

16:20

cache, probably

Ginger

?????

parz

it is “John Smitty”

Ginger

and now the top one in the list changed to "Jam Master"?????

what is going on here

parz

Top on mine is “Mark”

Ginger

I think there's a localized reality failure occurring in the vicinity of the area51 servers

Rydwolf Programs

16:23

We just got five more people committed :D

parz

\0/

Rydwolf Programs

Aaand 100% commitment score!

Ginger

I think at least 3 of them are the same user

Rydwolf Programs

One objective down, three to go

Ginger

(also move to PLDI room plz)

parz

16:23

\0u0/

Rydwolf Programs

100% commitment score in pretty much exactly 18 hours

Ginger

:D

now we just need 120 more people to click the shiny button

Rydwolf Programs

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A: Should we allow questions on literature about programming language design/implementation?

Yes There is precedent for these working and they could be useful for finding good sources of information in a somewhat niche subject. There will be issues, as warren points out, but that's an issue for beta :p

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms could you move all that stuff to the PLDI room?

Rydwolf Programs

Sure

It's interleavin' time (and then I interleave all over them)

parz

16:29

I have slid in.

Rydwolf Programs

← 48 messages moved from The Nineteenth Byte

TIL you can still follow the definition phase proposal

We're about to hit 10k views lol

Nike Dattani

@RydwolfPrograms just so you know, questions won't qualify for HNQ until after Private Beta is over.

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah:

32 mins ago, by Rydwolf Programs

@lyxal We should probably also save up our best ones for public beta

Nike Dattani

Sorry about that!

Rydwolf Programs

nw lol

Seggan

16:47

YEAH COMMITMENT

lyxals reddit post seems to have done the job

wow we got a lot of experts

Seggan

17:03

also we git 100% commitment score with 41% users :P

Rydwolf Programs

It took 30 hours fewer than I thought lol

mousetail

Consider upvoting this: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34680544

Seggan

done

Seggan

19:44

commitment has plateaued

Rydwolf Programs

Possibly due to timezones. It hasn't even been 24h, keep in mind

Follows plateaued at around 100 in Definition, I expect we'll slow down a bit but keep getting them until around that point. Then we'll start the slow crawl to the finish.

Ginger

20:00

why's the pipis message starred lol

mathcat

20:20

lol somebody actually clicked on my referral link and didn't look it up online

lyxal

21:40

135k views on reddit btw

[[Number 1 rated Proposal1997]]

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