Fun fact: We also now have over 200 followers in definition stage lol

Okay the reality of this just sorta hit me we're gonna have a site

With like, the default light blue and our own little default logo and everything

Ooh what will the letters in it be?

LD or something?

CGCC's was...PP, right?

Or was it CG?

Or maybe we'd get PL

@RydwolfPrograms PDI maybe

I'd assume it'd be LDI before PDI

I think the weirdest one to me is conlangs, which is "art"

I guess for "artlangs" or something?

Or is it a word in a conlang?

aha

"artificial"

I just realized

oh huh i always thought it was for artlang too :P

and yeah my vote for the default icon is pl

I assume at some point the CMs will ask us this stuff

Probably tomorrow

yeah

@UnrelatedString alas, Portuguese language exists

Given that it's a weekend that's probably why we haven't heard anything yet

does portuguese language actually use pl

stole it from poland stack exchange smh

I wonder if CMs work on weekends like, on-call or something

wait that's a t

that's pt so no

@UnrelatedString A site for the discussion of Poland would be kinda funny ngl

Like, not the polish language, just...use and implementation of Poland

So we're still leaning toward langdev.stackexchange.com if they ask?

:+1:

that'd be the network icon

yeah langdev

We might also want to check that PLDI is okay and that there won't be any issues with the conference with that name

PLID would be my preferred one since it's clearer about our scope

yeah

Maybe that's for a meta post once the site launches

and although the design part is the one we "care" more about we're probably going to have more implementation in practice

^

Also we've never resolved a question I keep halfheartedly bringing up

Which is questions involving actual code

Like how gamedev has questions about, e.g., Unity

That could get us some bulk once we start running low on "purer" design/implementation questions

And people would perhaps get better answers than they would on regular SO/CR

Scope-wise it means we'd be intersecting more with existing sites, but Gamedev gets away with it

yep

something like a prototype or self-language tag?

And for them I think it works really well, since they get their quantity through those questions, and the quality (high voted, HNQ, etc.) ones through design and general implementation questions...exactly like what we do

@lyxal No, I mean more like, "this Rust code that's supposed to be a MyNewLanguage compiler isn't working. Am I using ANTLR wrong?"

that's what I meant

Ah

a tag to show it's a real language in progress

I don't think those tag names really communicate it very well

we could also just have specific tags for, like, existing technologies you'd use for parsers and compiler backends and such

Since it wouldn't necessarily be a prototype implementation

^

@RydwolfPrograms the tag names themselves were a prototype :p

Like idk for sure if we'd allow questions about like, plain JS or Python implementations, but I definitely think things like ANTLR should be allowed

yeah i feel like there's nothing a real-code-focused question without something like antlr being involved could meaningfully be pldi with

like either it's broad-strokes implementation stuff that's language-agnostic, or it's not meaningfully pldi

i'm a hard 2

And 3 could be subdivided into just "this code errors :(" or "this code is too slow; any parser-code-specific tricks to speed it up", etc.

i'm for number 3

3 would mean you could ask questions that are indistinguishable from so questions minus happening to be used in pl implementation :P

@RydwolfPrograms I think this second one should definitely be allowed, not as sure about the first

I might need help with a custom lexer/parser or a specific interpreter methodology

like the visitor method for transversing asts

Since 3.2 could just be rephrased in pseudocode/talking about algorithms in general

@RydwolfPrograms i think the second case okay yeah you beat me to it lol

We should probably make a meta post about this

Or should we just wait 'til beta?

wait till beta

I have a list of meta questions for beta btw: gist.github.com/Lyxal/7393961ab1f65286cc33643b976a97ac

I prono'd that in my head as "maytuh question for beh-ta" I am tired

Quick preemptive argument for why we shouldn't be merged with CS if any CMs get funny ideas while I'm asleep:

I've been a CGCC user for five years, a site that kind of only sort of fits with SE's format. We have to make a lot of compromises as a result of being a part of that bigger thing. I think that's exactly what would happen with PLDI if we were made a part of CS or another site.

We'd be held back by having to stay within, or only moderately change, that site's rules. They might be fine with more theoretical questions, but what about questions dealing with physical code? Using parser generators? Our freedom to expand to topics we think would help the programming languages community would be hampered, and questions that could be answered by the same knowledgable experts would be fragmented across half a dozen sites.

it would be like merging conlangs and linguistics :P

except with probably less user base overlap

An overwhelmingly common sentiment in the responses to our advertising posts for this proposal, and our commit comments, has been that the programming languages community needs someplace like this, where Q&A about it can be centralized. There's a lot of people from very different backgrounds involved in our scope, and I don't think they're unified nearly often enough.

Anyway, I'm going to go finish folding my laundry and go to sleep now o/

o/

o/

@RydwolfPrograms Even within academic CS, language design work is a hard sell in more generalist venues (as opposed to more formalised PL work like type theory, or optimisation, which have a more empirical patina), so I would not expect a good community fit or reception within CS.se even for the non-code questions. Most language-design questions on the existing site are really in those areas (or just bad questions).

(This is endorsing what you said, just noting that it represents a pre-existing dynamic in the field and it's if anything likely to be an even wider gap than just actual-code questions)

...though i guess hci isn't exactly ux

but yeah in any case the bulk of cs is nothing to do with ld and the bulk of ld is of no interest to cs

type theory is an interesting case, where the theory itself is squarely cs but i can't imagine a cs platform would love to talk about the practical advantages and disadvantages for implementing a type system :P

Applied PL work is often really dealing with HCI questions, too ("how can a person best communicate about X with a computer"), but I wouldn't expect UX.se to be a match either

precisely

pld is fundamentally just ux where the user is a programmer

make it easy for them to make sensible choices

Goal has already been achieved but I finally got my first referal

nice

102% there

so close

@RydwolfPrograms 2, not so sure about 3

something not covered by a library or DSL

@RydwolfPrograms 2 but also maybe things like implementing algorithms specifically for langdev

@RydwolfPrograms 2 as a lower bound, 3 as an upper bound

"How do I make this tokenizer handle double spaces properly" might be a decent question

"How do I turn this depth map of names into a suitable structure"

"How do I take over Eurasia and Eastasia"

You'd need to define suitable structure a bit better but yes

@UnrelatedString yep

@Ginger "with a lexer"

a really aggressive lexer

Lexers are always aggersive

We're at 204 lads

as I said, 102%

A common question is when will our site go into private beta. The true answer is it really depends and things can get in the way such as holidays or certain staff members being absent.

The general rule is about 1 to 2 weeks after the proposal hits 100% on a Tuesday some time after 12:00 PM EST.

thanks for the clarification

@HenryWHHackv3.0 what if it goes above then under 100% before it hits beta?

@Seggan Nothing really.

itd still be valid?

@Seggan I never seen a proposal go under 100%.

we were close :P

I have to say I am not an SE employee. I cannot predict the future. All the things I said is assuming nothing goes wrong between now and then. I had to make it bold.

👍

The most important thing to everyone who wants to build the community is when the site comes out start using it, invite new users, ask, answer, vote, review, participate, etc... You need to show the SE CM team it's a perfectly healthy community to prevent it from being shut down.

Congratulations.

Thanks!

@HenryWHHackv3.0 I hate to say this, but the first 2 weeks it looks a lot like gaming the stats.

well, we love gaming here

Vote like the future of the site depends on it (both up and down). Post questions. Leave comments. Post answers. Have engagement.

@Ginger If you manage to mobilize most of the people who have committed, I don't doubt the stats will go through the roof.

Big if, big reward.

Something like that anyway...

time to flood Reddit again!

I'd wait with that until after the proposal has launched :-)

take that up with our Head of Advertising

@Ginger A programming language dedicated to playing Risk?

we need that

call it Risky Business

Wicked.

Go for it.

@Mast Just out of curiosity, what does your PFP depict?

@Ginger Trademark violation :p

I already made Risky

yeah, this is free advertising!

@Ginger Mega Ampere Spherical Tokamak

neat

It actually has nothing to do with Near Earth Asteroid Tracking, but thanks?

I've had a soft spot for nuclear fusion experiments since before I became an electrical engineer.

relatable

So we should be hearing from someone either tomorrow/the next day, or next week, based on what we've heard

Come to think of it is this even an official chat room

Like would the CMs even know about it lol

Or I'd imagine it'd just be a meta post?

Ah okay yeah looks like it'd look something like this:

Oh and we need to make sure to say we want MathJax

Since presumably we would, for big-O and stuff