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digitalx788: why should one take this course?
Hubris: To learn more about cloud software (saas)
Hubris: And general RoR education past beginner
lpoulain: It's a great course if you want to broaden your horizons
digitalx788: the couse is 6wks seems steep
digitalx788: i don't know ruby but know python form taking other moocs
digitalx788: and google app engine
lpoulain: 6 weeks is not particularly steep for a MOOC
StevenJD: When I was job searching recently it seemed like Agile, RoR, and SaaS were all things that people were looking for.
Hubris: StevenJD as a person who hires developer's saas is very 8th demand.
lpoulain: And the course is not just about Ruby but about other aspects as well that apply to other languages (testing, writing good code)
Hubris: *Is not 8th
Hubris: **in not 8th lol
StevenJD: Maybe scientific programming (my background) would be 8th demand. :)
Hubris: Lol
Hubris: That's great for academia or researchers.
StevenJD: Well, the good news is I'm going back to grad school next fall. Hopefully that plan will play out. But I'm hoping to do scientific computing in case industry is in my long term future
StevenJD: That's a more transferable skill than theoretical astrophysics
Hubris: Honestly there is a deficit in developer's in science vs startups or large companies.
Hubris: I have my degrees in physics.
alchy: I have some question about the VM
StevenJD: Great! Obviously I love physics
Hubris: We rarely had the dev support we needed for scientific computing.
Hubris: Achly what's the issue?
digitalx788: what does sass mean?
Hubris: Software as a service
digitalx788: besides.. i hav genral idea
Hubris: Oh sass. Sorry. That's different
digitalx788: web app, cloud application?
digitalx788: facebook?
Hubris: Sass stands for syntactically awesome style sheets.
wspicer: sassy
Hubris: Dropbox would be a saas application
digitalx788: dropbox..how come
brianhonohan: there are two distinct things ... SASS (a way to compose CSS) ... and SaaS (Software as a Service)
wspicer: hubris, thanks, I hadn't thought of it that way before
brianhonohan: ... Dropbox can be considered SaaS because they are providing the service of file storage across devices
StevenJD: I'm interested either way, but is SaaS the kind of thing used to run programs on supercomputers? Or is this more specific to the web?
wspicer: however while I don't need to download a program and can use it from the browser, there's also a download to make it a shell extension so I'd say it's also a saas app but not limited to it
Hubris: It's essentially just a program that runs in the cloud.
AnandNadar: if you type a couple of things on the browser and magic happens whether you are shopping of watching a movie, there is probably some SaaS going on somewhere...you never know for sure, but that is what is probably happening
StevenJD: Yeah... but I'm a bit confused about what the cloud is. I know it's some really big computers accessed over the internet. But they have those in science, too. Are those also the cloud?
Hubris: There's a lot of subtle aspects to saas. It's more of a buzz word to be honest.
Hubris: Saas can be used in any industry.
digitalx788: so a web app where one s uses a comibination of technologies=database,js,css frontend backend etc is a sass
AnandNadar: cloud = virtual servers in large datacenters plus geographic redundancy and rapid scalability to new virtual instances based on demand...
digitalx788: eg runing on AWS or app engine
AnandNadar: outage/heavy load = not true cloud...
Hubris: AnandNadar that's a good answer.
StevenJD: Ah, got it. That makes it clearer. Thanks!
AnandNadar: bad sentence: Our cloud has a heavy load, we have dispatched an engineer to the data center...
StevenJD: LOL, I see your point
StevenJD: I can see why this is technology that everyone wants, then
AnandNadar: even amazon is not true cloud in certain cases, example, some network outages for Netflix recently....no more IT support team for cloud, that is millions of dollars...
Hubris: Office 365 is considered a saas application though.
brianhonohan: in my mind, "in the cloud" means that its not on your computer, and as an end user, you don't really care where the software is running
brianhonohan: just that it works.
AnandNadar: saas runs on any hardware, not necessarily cloud....cloud accounts for geographic redundancy and quick scalability....
Hubris: It's a buzz word at the end of the day. It's pretty meaningless in terms of being a developer. It means something to the hiring manager though.
AnandNadar: if you know number of endusers and load for your product in advance, no need for a cloud...if your app can explode in popularity, you need a cloud....
AnandNadar: When HAL is finally truly in the cloud, he will be a formidable opponent :-)
AnandNadar: no more OFF switch :-)
Hubris: He will change his name to Skynet lol
Hubris: I am out guys. Be back later. Have a great night.
digitalx788: is collaboration nesessary to suceed
StevenJD: I think the syllabus said something about pair programming?
StevenJD: But I'm not a TA or anything
lpoulain: You can to pair programming, but it's not required to complete the course
digitalx788: ok] thats good news
lpoulain: But it's a great opportunity to try it out
digitalx788: do we do any database programing
AnandNadar: Agile methodology implies that the software engineer is not the lonely introvert that hates talking...
wspicer: digitalx788, I would imagine from the context of rails and ruby not the db
AnandNadar: or arrives late in the office to make sure that he or she misses the early morning coffee meeting where discussions are held...
lpoulain: No db programming (check the syllabus courses.edx.org/courses/BerkeleyX/CS_CS169.1x/1T2014/…)
lpoulain: One of the points of Rails is to hide access to the db
lpoulain: @digitalx788, you said you know Python. Have you used it with a framework such as Django or Flask?
ncartmell: I can't even find it
sampriti: What?
javabr: drakaris
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digitalx788: no
lpoulain: Rails is a very neat framework for Ruby
lpoulain: On top of that, Cucumber and RSpec are great Ruby testing tools which are covered by the course
digitalx788: rails is like django for python?
lpoulain: Kinda
lpoulain: Python has multiple frameworks, Ruby seems to have the killer framework as you never hear about other frameworks for this language
digitalx788: ok kool
lpoulain: As far as Ruby and RSpec, they can give you ideas about your tests even for other languages than Ruby
lpoulain: Actually, I have yet to hear about a company that is using Ruby without Rails
digitalx788: i'm out hopefully i will return when i get the vm up and runing
lpoulain: Good luck. How many % downloaded?
digitalx788: 592mb
AnandNadar: got my webserver running now...thanks!
lpoulain: getting there...
frivera1: Hello there
lpoulain: Hi
frivera1: Does somebody know if VMWare is compatible with virtualbox ? I mean if I can install the image provided for virtualbox in VMware
lpoulain: Check howtogeek.com/125640/…
frivera1: OK let me take a look at it, thanks.....
lpoulain: The downside is that it seems you need to have Virtualbox installed
lpoulain: VMWare has a KB article with the same recommendations: kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/…
frivera1: Well I already have it installed
lpoulain: Good!
lpoulain: So it looks you can convert the VM to VMWare
frivera1: That's what I'll do I'll keep you posted
afshinator: Hello everyone!! I am trying to get the VM image to work on my VirtualBox. Has anybody tried Ubuntu 14.04 (the latest) as opposed to 11 ?
McCoyBoy: Hello. Does anyone know why the saasbook-0.10.3.1.zip link only gives me a blank .zip folder? I've downloaded the 7zip program and it's giving me the same problem
lpoulain: The VM comes with its own version of Ubuntu
lpoulain: As far as the zip file I did not have any problem unzipping it
wspicer: The VM is Ubuntu, 12.04 LTS
lpoulain: Are you on Windows or Mac?
afshinator: Did the install of both the VirtualBox and VM last night, I dont remember getting an option to choose disk space allocation and it looks like it defaults to 10gigs. Today while trying to install a rails4 app I ran out of space! (QT for capybara itself is 3+ gigs).
McCoyBoy: I am on Windows
afshinator: "installing the software yourself' section of beta.saasbook.info/bookware-vm-instructions seems to indicate you can choose how much space to give it.
afshinator: McCoyBoy; I'm also on windows and that file was definitely not empty. I downloaded it from the second link on beta.saasbook.info/bookware-vm-instructions
wspicer: afshinator, the VM is about 5.6GB unzipped and fully installed with the remainder as available space
McCoyBoy: I will try the second link and see if that's any better.
McCoyBoy: Thanks, wspicer
mrwharfsnort: Is anyone else using Nitrous.IO for their environment?
afshinator: mrwharfsnort: I use nitrous for rails a lot. One major disadvantage is that there is no browser... so if/when you want to do testing with capybara, you're out of luck.
mrwharfsnort: no browser?
afshinator: wspicer: so you're saying my manual download and install of Ubuntu will work, given I have enough total disk space on my machine? Thats what I'm hoping for. And then I hope it lets me pick how much space to allocate for the VirtualBox
McCoyBoy: The second link seems to actually be downloading something. Maybe the first link is broken? Or maybe my computer has just decided to hate me tonight? Either way, thanks for you help in solving my mystery link conundrum. :)
afshinator: good luck McCoy.
wspicer: afshinator, you set the VDI file to dynamic size in Virtual Box and 10gb.
afshinator: wspicer: I can do more, like 20gb right?
AnandNadar: where do I get VBoxGuestAdditions.iso?
wspicer: afshinator, the VM then plays within that space. 20gb sure, whatever you like. The default is 8gb so just make sure to expand it in VirtualBox config
wspicer: AnandNadar, it's already inside the VB installation, you just activate it from Devices/install menu after the VM loads
mrwharfsnort: @afshinator -- i'm not sure what you mean by nitrous not having a browser..
afshinator: wspicer: and do you know whether I can change that after I set it up? Or once its set up are you committed to that size?
Dante0: Morning all
javabr: I was getting error running rails server
wspicer: afshinator, it has a dynamic checkbox but I'm not sure if it grows beyond or if you then edit it again. Best to make it an appropriate size at the beginning config. Under linux, it's not a 1:1 space need to Windows
javabr: I am running bundle update
afshinator: mrwharfsnort: so when you run your rails app in nitrous, you can view its results in your local browser at an address it gives you on the net... but you're not looking at a local address like localhost:3000. Capybara is for doing gui tests and it needs to be running on the same machine as the browser which wont be the case.
zkay: afshinator: even after making a fixed size drive, if you later decide you need a dynamic sized drive, you can clone the original drive and make it dynamic. See streamwave.com/systems-administration/…
wspicer: javabr, I don't think that would be good as you're updating gems that are not meant to be updated in the Gemfile. The gems don't limit themselves to rails 3.2, we do through the Gemfile
afshinator: mrwharfsnort: Otherwise Nitrous is a good option and I'm not sure how long it'll be in the course before we hit testing with capybara (if at all??).
mrwharfsnort: ah -- wasn't sure. i'm mostly switching between my work computer and personal laptop so having it accessible from both computers is helpful :)
afshinator: mrwharfsnort: Yes its good for that. Though you shouldn't let that keep you back from getting good with git, thats really the right way to do it.
webgen: does codeacademy.com show up in a weird way for you guys too ? for me it just shows plain html without styles
zkay: webgen: what browser/os are you using? I occasionally get that in chromium, never in FF
webgen: zkay ubuntu/firefox, i am surprised myself
zkay: weirdness..does it happen in chromium or another browser?
webgen: zkay i didnt want to get extra browser but i ll have to, i ll post what happens in chromium
wspicer: it's okay in FF, I'm using the VM version
Masur: hi to all
Masur: What version of hte virtual box should i download
wspicer: whatever is the latest link on the page, just follow the instructions
afshinator: I'm going for ubuntu-14.04 -- lets see what happens.
wspicer: afshinator, it takes a long time to configure with the config script. I did Lubuntu 14.04 and I left it for 5 hours haha
webgen: wspicer thats just too long, you have to have like pentium 1 ? :D
afshinator: oh really??? snap! configuring the config script??? where is that? I was hoping to unzip and feed it to the VirtualBox app like the link from beta.saasbook.info/bookware-vm-instructions
wspicer: webgen, no, core 2 duo, 4GB, Lubuntu 14.04 works faster than windows now
wspicer: webgen, all in 1.5GB RAM, notch
wspicer: afshinator, yes, after that there is a config script. look at the last option on that link
zkay: I just built a new box for my wife, i5 4670k, 16gb ram, 2 samsung EVO's...her VM is far and away faster than my host OS :(
wspicer: I'm sold on fresh installs and not pre-packaged stock VM's, just the quality and speed has no equal. It's time to get it going, yes, but the end result is that I have barely touched the host windows OS for three days now haha
AnandNadar: I do not seem to have the file C:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox\VBoxGuestAdditions.iso even though there are references to it everywhere, including the Settings...
wspicer: AnandNadar, it's not seen until the VM is up and running
zkay: AnandNadar: Start a VM from the GUI, then click on the menu "Devices" and then "Installed Guest Additions". The ISO get's mounted automatically.
alchy: why you need to install the guess edition
wspicer: zkay, nice build. It must scream. I think in terms of regular installs the computers today with linux are beyond the need while windows will never be satisfied
alchy: is that necesary for the course
AnandNadar: I "updated" my ubuntu with the 200+ pending updates...could that have caused trouble...
AnandNadar: the Guest edition seems to be necessary for cut and paste between real and virtual OS.//
webgen: wspicer oh i figured why it took so slow, you probably have vm :D cause I also have core 2 duo 4gb ram
binarypulsar: I tried creating the VM. When I try to bundle install gems it appears to hang at libv8?
wspicer: webgen, the stock VM was just ridiculous. Now with the Lubuntu iso VM, it just rocks
AnandNadar: takes a long time...wait...
wspicer: binarypulsar, no it's okay, that part takes 15 to 20 min
binarypulsar: okay thanks
wspicer: binarypulsar, afterwards nothing will take that long again. libv8 is compiling a native extension on your computer
webgen: wspicer haha its ironic cause i had lubuntu too but since new ubuntu released I just installed ubuntu :D
wspicer: binarypulsar, but if you ever load a gem and it says loading a native extension, always prepare to wait it out
webgen: wspicer it's gonna be slower on VM but whatever :P
wspicer: webgen, not at all
wspicer: it's zippy
binarypulsar: I also have to login to SaasBook once it is created, is that the way it works. The scrrencast had an autoprompt I think.
wspicer: yes
AnandNadar: recreating my virtual instance...i must have fat fingered something and lost an .iso....
wspicer: webgen, anything that is complied for your exact hardware tends to be faster than generic code, especially for older hardware. With new hardware, it's so beyond the linux requirements that it would rock regardless. In fact complied it would just scream
webgen: wspicer :D sounds fair :P ye lubuntu was requiring around 100mb at boot lol
wspicer: ?
wspicer: I've used lubuntu on an older laptop (compaq V2000) and it still performs better than Windows 7
wspicer: and I couldn't have loaded it on it anyway
wspicer: for me it's just OneNote. I love this program and there is no linux equivalent. Some honourable mentions but not equivalents. Next time it's a Lubuntu host and a Windows guest
Masur: how is it to download the VM image
wspicer: beta.saasbook.info/bookware-vm-instructions . Follow the instructions and download the saasbook-0.10.3.1.zip file to get the stock VM
Amozoss: hi
zkay: hi
wspicer: ho
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srilata18: hi
BeckyA: hello
03:47
binarypulsar: All set up with the Virtual Machine. rottenpotatoes with ten movies
04:07
Mitchbones: Is there any sort of nickserv on this irc server?
zkay: mitchbones: oh, you
Mitchbones: zkay, :3
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srilata18: i m stuck at installation
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wspicer: what part?
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Tableau: Hello, i'm new there, i tried to download the VM Image but there's no available link anymore !
badseed: download 0.10.3
tansaku: there are links here: beta.saasbook.info/bookware-vm-instructions
wspicer: beta.saasbook.info/bookware-vm-instructions ... link is working fine
05:56
Tableau: tx downloading now
Tableau: in the instructions links it displayed Downloadable VM no longer available
 
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CrossCodes: hey tableau... could u get the vm already?
CrossCodes: try to catch this up
CrossCodes: ohhh badseed sent it too... sorry
hirokazutomihara: hi, I am new here. How can I change my chat room nickname?
hirokazutomihara: does anyone know?
KensukeT: hirokazu: I'm sorry that public username cannnot be changed according to the register page.
hirokazutomihara: KensukeT , thank you for your advice. I realized that I have to install IRC app. I didn't know there are those kinds of application.
07:29
KensukeT: hirokazu: sorry I don't know
07:39
NiTT: hey..
luigi: Hey !
NiTT: What the different color names signifies? I see purple, green and blue chat name..any idea?
luigi: I think green and purple are notifications. What is written in black is the conversation
hirokazutomihara: KensukeT, I installed app that is called LimeChat. And I could access to this class room chat using it. (I named original nickname, too). I solved a problem. Thank you.
08:20
joaopapereira: Hello
luigi_: Hello
hallitee: Hi everyone
MrPopinjay: Hi
MrPopinjay: This is cool
MrPopinjay: A little IRC server that uses our edx.org usernames
MrPopinjay: Feels wrong to use IRC without a fixed width font though
 
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09:45
AnantGoel: ACTION slaps apontegjesus around a bit with a large fishbot
H_tom: does anyone know how to Enable Shared Folders and Copy & Paste?
joaopapereira: VBox? What Host?
H_tom: yeah Vbox
H_tom: SaaSbook
joaopapereira: Devices->Shared Clipboard->Bidirectional
joaopapereira: this should enable Copy Paste
joaopapereira: Devices -> Shared Folder Settings
joaopapereira: you can enable there the Shared folders
H_tom: uMmm, I did...But I can not copy text from Vbox to host application which is notepad...
joaopapereira: hmm
joaopapereira: you are in windows?
H_tom: I used "gedit"..
H_tom: yes
joaopapereira: hmm this should be enough then hmm
H_tom: do I have to restart VBox?
joaopapereira: in theory the settings should be applied on the fly but its worth giving it a try
H_tom: okey, I will try then.
PeteBouch: Try using right-click>copy rather than a keyboard short-cut, I'm on a mac and the key combinations are different in Ubuntu
H_tom: I did, but I try again.
H_tom: saasbook
H_tom: thank you.everyone. I retart Vbox. and I could copy and paste.
H_tom: (^^)/
joaopapereira: unfortunatly windows sometimes does these things :S
H_tom: haha,,thank you very much.
10:16
eoinzy: how familiar do i need to be with rails at the start of the course? I have been doing the code academy path and iam up to number 7 now
eoinzy: its fine so far
eyadof: eoinzy: you don't have to be too familiar with rails
eoinzy: i also have a background in c#, java and python
eyadof: good i hope you will continue to 10 soon
eyadof: nice
eoinzy: should get up to 10 finished this evening or tomorrow evening
eoinzy: so we dont need to do all of them?
eyadof: no just to the 10 level is enough
ToBeBeto: Hi all just out of curiosity how many are using aws and how many are working locally? Is there any reason you chose one or the other?
eyadof: ToBeBeto: there isn't any special reason to prefer one than other
eyadof: use the one you like
eoinzy: iam usng aws ec2
eoinzy: i managed to get a UI on it aswell
ToBeBeto: Im using aws too
eoinzy: the os was too slow on the vm
ToBeBeto: In case i want to actually grow the project ill be familiar with that
PeteBouch: in the past students on older hardware, not enough memory and disk space, have prefered the aws option which is more difficult to set up but needs fewer local resources
eoinzy: yeah cant really afford a new laptop just yet
PeteBouch: cloud9 is also an option for those who want a dev environment separate from their local machine
eoinzy: havent used emacs a whole lot
eoinzy: whats cloud9
eoinzy: ?
eyadof: check it out c9.io
eyadof: it's a cloud IDE
eyadof: works on you browser
PeteBouch: cloud hosted, browser based IDE, thx eyadof :)
ToBeBeto: yeah i knew that
eoinzy: cool ill check it out now
PriyankPathak: is that IDE for Ruby ? :)
ToBeBeto: I use textmate for editor
PeteBouch: it support Ruby among others
puppeter: it is true when we jump to saasbook server , the Ruby gem or Ruby tools is installed by default?
puppeter: i cant change the rottenpotatoes directory
eoinzy: how much roughly per month?
eoinzy: cloud 9 ide
PeteBouch: puppeter, the gems are installed separately from the app, so you should be able to rename the rottenpotatoes dir if yu want
PeteBouch: eoinzy c9.io/site/pricing there is a free tier
eoinzy: cool, i think i may use it
10:55
ToBeBeto: guys back to the problem I had last time. I am able to run rails server on the rottenpotatoes dir
ToBeBeto: but I can't see it in my browser
ToBeBeto: when i go to localhost:3000
ToBeBeto: or to my.ec2.pub.ip:3000
puppeter: same like me ToBeBeto
ToBeBeto: now its running
ToBeBeto: I really dont know what happened in the meantime lol
11:18
PeteBouch: ToBeBeto it can take a while for your EC2 instance to 'spin-up' when you first load the webpage
Dean101: Hi Everybody, I just signed up yesterday, and currently installing my VM....
joaopapereira: Welcome Dean
Dean101: , thanks Joaopapereira...in step 2 it specifies Ubuntu 11.10, but the latest version is 14.04, does that matter?
joaopapereira_: hmm
joaopapereira_: do you want to install it all
joaopapereira_: by yourself?
joaopapereira_: if you use option 1 instead of installing everything by hand
joaopapereira_: is much easier
Dean101: This was from option 1, ..
eoinzy: nice one dean
joaopapereira_: It is if you want to install it by yourself
eoinzy: looking for ward to starting now.
joaopapereira_: all the software
Dean101: second step: Download the 32-bit Ubuntu 11.10 installation image (iso) from ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu
joaopapereira_: i know but right under the Option1
joaopapereira_: there are 7 steps
joaopapereira_: that
joaopapereira_: should be enough to start you
joaopapereira_: this section: Installing the software yourself into a new VirtualBox VM
joaopapereira_: is only if you want to configure the VM yourself installing it and all the needed software
Dean101: Arrgh, I jumped down the page and skipped over that!
joaopapereira_: :D
Dean101: This is what happens when you've got a 2 year old running in and out of your office every 5 minutes Thanks
joaopapereira_: no problem
Dean101: I'll try and salvage my efforts :(
joaopapereira_: if you need any assistance we are in here :D
ToBeBeto: i finally got what was wron with my rails server: I didnt specify the local port forwarding in my .ssh/config file
12:07
SarkarSubham: Can somebady help me...
SarkarSubham: When i tru to run rails server
joaopapereira_: shoot
SarkarSubham: it shows..could not find gem the ruby racer.. install missing bundles..
joaopapereira_: did you run
joaopapereira_: bundle install
joaopapereira_: in the folder?
SarkarSubham: no
joaopapereira_: then run it
joaopapereira_: and then try to start the server
SarkarSubham: ok
SarkarSubham: ok..thank you.. :)
joaopapereira_: welcome
12:22
animax: I've installed VM but how to create SaaSbook in it?
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