I think it's often fair to say an adaptation is based more on another adaptation than the original source matter. Eg. "Game(s) of the Movie of the Book" borrow a lot of imagery (including actual source film) from the movie adaptations in the Lord of the Rings games, and are closer in their action-packed feel to the films than the relatively slow books.

I guess if we went looking in the territory where an adaptation is better known than the original, we mighr finds lots more of these

I would venture a guess that the Witcher games are more well known than the books

but I don't know for sure

I personally knew about the first game for probably 2 years before I even heard it was based off of books

I guess Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles might qualify as an even more extreme example of a franchise where most adaptations are more loyal to another adaptation than the original source material

Oh wait. The Pink Panther. That's about as extreme as I can even imagine :D

I've only seen a movie or two of Pink Panther

Pink Panther is interesting in that the movie series is still going strong! (relatively so...) but still the cartoon character is far more merchandised and re-adapted. Meanwhile, Turtles would probably have been a dead franchise were not for its popular 1980's and later animated adaptations (and their re-adaptations) until something like early 2010's when dark and gritty stuff was en vogue.

Oh and everything (not literally) that originated as a toy line

yeah I mean

the whole point of the Transformers show was to sell toys

just as an example

and also MLP

@trogdor morning. Finally you switched back to an appropriate avatar, I see :P

that fish was getting old ^_^

@trogdor Is it? I think I saw the series years before the release of the first of the reboot games (thus based on the books, of course), and by then it was already popular enough to warrant filming the series; also, lots of my acquaintances have read the books by then, to the point that even one of my 2000s-era exes is nicknamed after a character from the franchise.

@vicky_molokh lol

I mean, I could be extremely wrong

it's been known to happen

I could be wrong about the statistics too.

@trogdor Yes, almost certainly. I think the games made the books known outside Poland. And then the show coming out caused a resurgence of interest in both the games and the books

@Derpy I mean, I did that right when Hatmass started :P (and yes I still like this one, plus new years was coming up and this seemed appropriate for that too)

@V2Blast I think this is likely as well yes

Oh dear. I have now realised that I've known two people nicknamed after the same Witcher character in the 2000s or so.

@trogdor kinda reminds me the first panels of the "Accord" comic arc. Which by the way I suggest reading if you will ever have the opportunity (that said, no story arc has still beaten "Siege of the Crystal Empire" as my favorite)

@V2Blast the games definitely are responsible for the Witcher's popularity outside Poland (and eastern Europe?)

Hello

afternoon

how is everyone

currently working on an Angular app. Trying to understand if there is a "standard" way to use an user provided "string" as a display template for items in an ngFor repeater.

And if this doesn't make any sense to you, don't worry.... it is normal if you don't know Angular :P

okay

i know enough about coding in general to get an idea of it. your trying to figure out the standard way for the app to handle and process information that is somehow inputted or attached to the user.

@Gwideon Short version of the story. As usual, SharePoint is pretty.... ugly. A customer is trying to do something that should be very simple: search for some documents based on a "protocol date". Considering that SharePoint makes search one of its "selling points" you probably expect that this should be pretty simple....

yet, it doesn't "work".

@Derpy oof

that's what i'd call a failure in design

For reasons unknown, SharePoint normally displays dates in reference to the site configured time zone ( or in some cases to the specific user one if you do some overrides)

Yet when you specify a date as a search parameter, it requires it to be an UTC date

(in case you don't know, UTC is basically the +0 timezone)

that is very strange

The bad part is that if you think of it this mean that in some cases the "UTC" version of a date is the day before your "localized" one

/me waves.

for example 2019-1-1 01:00 +2 is would be 2018-12-31 in utc....

and so, even if the users see the document as dated 2019-1-1 to find it they should search for 2018-12-31....

complete nonsense

so I am currently writing a small replacement for the standard search "page" that will correctly use the expected time zones.

Also, uh, wooden structures standing up to lightsabre swings is just wrong.

@vicky_molokh that's more of a limitation in game design. the same thing happened in the force unleashed

@Gwideon Force Unleashed actually had some pretty cool destructive elements, what with breaking windows into space until they get sealed.

But I guess I was too implicit with the criticism of level design: if a barrier needs to be impenetrable for the Jedi protagonist, it should not be made of wood.

@vicky_molokh true but you also had things like the plants on felucia not being cut down by light sabers.

so yeah.

True, but plants are more of a decorative thing in many locations. Barriers are meant to be functional (stop the PC).

Nope some of the plants were barriers

it's a limitation you kinda have to accept in any game with lightsabers

Hmm. It's been a while since I played Unleashed. I must be forgetting some.

grr

@vicky_molokh I regularly jumped into boss fights with like half health and/or with only one stim because there's only like two points where the game actually tries to tell you that a boss fight is coming up.

Felucia is the world with the jungles of giant plants. many of the barriers in that level where just large plants

my google-fu is failing, but if it was working I'd find that comic where Arceus is stumped by an overgrown plant

There was one time where I missed a checkpoint because I didn't want to reset the enemies and had to fight the boss with a quarter health and no stims and still won.

@Carcer Isn't that an oxymoron? Stumps are what's left after a plant's been cut down, right?

@Gwideon It's also one that can keep GMs on toes.

@Yuuki no, stumps are what a batsman protects from a bowler

On one hand, it's cool to have this monomolecular-equivalent blademaking techniques that slices through armour . . . on the other, invalidating all barriers is sad.

I ended up stealing a rather ridiculous caveat from GURPS Ultra-Tech, which is surely a legacy from some less-thought-through source that was copy-pasted unchanged into the current edition:

> Since the monowire is only along a blade’s edge, it cannot cut into a flat surface

@vicky_molokh yeah lightsabers (and the energy swords from halo by extension) can be annoying to deal with as a gm. if you put a barrier in front of the players the resident mystical warrior monk with a plasma sword can just cut it down invalidating any challenge.

@Gwideon a security installation is not rated as jedi-proof unless sufficiently air-gapped

Now, the above quote opens up a can of worms in that it calls attention to all sorts of ways in which monoblades already behave unphysically.

But I ended up making Yliaster blades borderline mystical alchemical things that are acknowledged (by the scientists of the setting) to bend physics rather wildly.

Inevitably, you have to alarm every wall and/or put those triple-layered durasteel doors that they had in Phantom Menace.

this is why If i run a starwars game I probably won't allow jedi characters.

But then again, Cortosis Everywhere!

@Yuuki but even those will be cut through eventually

Just have everything take place underwater and refuse to hand out waterproof lightsabers.

@Gwideon sure, but that requires the absence of time pressure

@Gwideon Though of course one doesn't need to be a Jedi to use a lightsabre as a tool (see Episode 5).

It's actually somewhat of a handwave that the technology for making them has not become more widespread over the millennia.

I mean, generally speaking, it doesn't seem like one needs to be Force-sensitive at all to use a lightsaber.

Unless you're fighting some other dude with a lightsaber.

@vicky_molokh isn't there some conceit that one has to be force-sensitive to make a lightsaber, though? Something about finding the right crystals.

IIRC, that canon has varied through the ages.

probably

Used to be, red lightsabers were made from synthetic crystals.

Which ostensibly meant that anyone could make them.

@vicky_molokh it's partially because lightsabers are really hard to control for non force sensitives. also they can't really be mass manufactured as they require really precise construction that can only be accomplished through force manipulation

I was never that into the star wars stuff anyway so I'd be going off whatever I dimly remember reading on a fan wiki at some point while bored

Now, red lightsabers come from "dominating" an existing lightsaber crystal.

if you misplace one part in a lightsaber it explodes

Maybe it's me but I always felt that moving things with your mind (and my mind in particular) wouldn't be particularly precise.

I liked how SWTOR varied the methods of getting through tough doors between classes, with some using the sabres or force and some using explosive charges. While a mere cosmetic thing, it acknowledged that other classes have ways around barriers too (but at other times, doors were impenetrable).

@vicky_molokh oh yeah that is cool

Okay, a little to the left— remember that one time you farted during a math test— KABOOM!

hahahaha

but really there is a great arc in the clone wars about younglings building their first lightsabers and it gets into quite a bit of detail into the ceremonies surrounding light saber construction.

and their construction in general

or you could just look it up on wookiepedia. anyways I'll stop geeking out

/me scans yet another defeated miniboss. Nydak Alpha. Limbs are lightsabre-resistant and cannot be severed. See, lightsabre-proofed stuff on every corner!

lightsabres cannot overcome air gaps

they can create air gaps

but they cannot overcome them

Not sure if that's as bad or worse than IoT toasters.

@Yuuki you don't get the full equipment bonus of your lightsabre if you don't turn on the wifi

So I re-watched The Man From U.N.C.L.E. last night after that discussion. It's still pretty great.

/me kicks SR5 into the sun

Even though Cavill plays a boxed crook in the movie, he still oozes so much charisma that you could definitely see him playing a better Superman if it wasn't for the everything else around him in BvS.

@Yuuki Only in Shadowrun.

Oh wait, Carcer ninja'd me.

@Carcer waves hand you will give me the wifi password

@vicky_molokh no match for my wireless reflexes

@Carcer Look, I had a wifi glitch at that time!

@vicky_molokh wireless reflexes operate best when you are near to an access point and using a clear channel. Reaction speeds may decrease if there are structural walls between you and your access point, or if someone is using a leaky microwave nearby

Damn it, camera work. Cere talks about Cal's lightsabre, but it looks as if she's pointing to his crotch when she says 'Start with this!'.

In the end, what is a lightsaber if not phallic imagery?

Meh, humans are too good at pareidolia. They see imagery even where there is none.

@vicky_molokh If you see a face in your phallic imagery, I'm worried for you.

Oh, pareidolia isn't faces only.

Vaguely related: I've started watching Star Wars: The Clone Wars and I'm enjoying it quite a lot.

Much more than I thought I would actually.

And I'm finally learning stuff about Star Wars lore! Stuff that makes some of the RPGs I've listened to make a bit more sense.

Super bonus: Anakin isn't insufferable in it! In fact, I feel like I get him for the first time.

To be fair, it's long-form television. So much easier to do character development that way, it's a wonder why TV was considered lower art than movies for so long.

@Yuuki Because it's easier, perhaps?

Or why no one recognized that "hey, we have a lot of time on our hands in this format, why don't we actually do something with it" until like 2000.

@vicky_molokh I mean, that's not really why. For so long, TV series have been criticized for having flat or nonexistent character development despite spanning multiple years of production and hours of airtime.

Somewhat recently, there's been a sense of a "television renaissance" because TV series are only finally using the advantages that they have over movies, namely the long running times.

@Yuuki largely an issue with long-running TV series trying to maintain their status quo

like, you can see what happened to supernatural

that has five good seasons that it was planned to have and come to a conclusion and then it had to just keep going

so it's become a cyclic mess without end

@vicky_molokh Have you watched TCW?

@Rubiksmoose ... having watched Scrubs avidly, I feel like I'm getting the wrong acronym from this.

@Rubiksmoose The Episode II? Yeah. I don't get why people so hate Anakin, though I've found the film meh.

The series I haven't seen though.

@Yuuki hahaha. I didn't even think of that. Man I used to watch Scrubs incessantly.

@vicky_molokh Oh I meant the series (I forgot the names of the movies crossed)

The second movie in the prequel trilogy was called Attack of the Clones though.

It's been so long since I watched Ep I-III. I just being really frustrated with Anakin because he acted so stupidly and without reason (by my interpretation). I think the series more than covers for that, with great voice acting to boot.

Man, what an oversight though.

It's like if you made a Batman origin movie in two parts. Part one, Martha Wayne gives birth to Bruce Wayne. Smash cut to part two with Commissioner Gordon lighting the Bat-Signal.

10/10, #1 at the box office this weekend

@Yuuki Dang, hit the nail on the head.

When I watched the first two movies I was pretty young, young enough to overlook the flaws

But by the 3rd movie I was definitely taken aback by what was going on, but I'm not sure I was ever able to connect why.

Episode One started too early. Episode Two should've been Episode One. The Clone Wars should've been Episode Two.

@Rubiksmoose When I was / a young boy / my father / took me to the cinema / to watch the phantom menance

lol

If we want to lean into this theme of Luke being the protagonist of the original trilogy, Obi-wan being the protagonist of the prequel trilogy, and Anakin being the protagonist of the overarching... hexology? sexology (ಠ_ಠ)? then the first episode of the prequels needs to start with the inciting incident for Obi-wan's character arc: Maul killing Qui-gon.

@Yuuki huh, that would have been very interesting to see.

Incidentally, if the Duel of the Fates was the opening scene of Episode One, that would also mean that Maul would likely survive to either feature as the big bad of the first movie or the trilogy villain, a la Darth Vader.

Which would be great because Maul was just kinda... there.

@Yuuki So much wasted potential.

Even with the spoiler from Solo.

while we're on the subject of star wars

do the sith really hold much to that only two, master and apprentice thing? Because there seem to be so many running around in the EU that it's more like a pyramid scheme.

@Yuuki "You served my father in the Clone Wars." — A thing Luke was apparently told.

@Yuuki Think back to the early films and Darth Vader. For someone who managed to jump onto the list of top villains of all times, he had relatively little agency and was mostly there as the pawn of the unseen emperor.

@Carcer Depends on era, depends on denomination.

@vicky_molokh A lot of that was jettisoned with the EU though right?

@Carcer I mean, it's less a rule and more of a guideline.

@Rubiksmoose I'm not sure what was jettisoned and what stayed.

Palpatine played merry hell with the Rule of Two because he apprenticed Dooku/Tyranus while grooming Anakin to become his apprentice.

And didn't kill the hell out of Ventress while she was apprenticed to Tyranus.

Well, not initially, I didn't watch Clone Wars to its entirety.

So I don't know if that's a thing he did later.

@Yuuki so the sith are basically space pirates of the caribbean

@doppelgreener I'd watch that movie.

same

Rule of Two only exists because the Sith were such perennial backstabbers that they could never get anything done and got wiped out by the Jedi because there were too busy trying to one-up each other.

But the Rule of Two isn't really conducive to running a Sith empire.

Bit difficult to dominate an entire galaxy when there's only two of you to do all the paperwork.

@Yuuki Not even a Sith family business really.

the rule of two never really made sense to me

such a rule, if actually followed, dooms the sith to dwindle down to nothing

It makes slightly more sense when you realize that it was codified solely to exact revenge on a powerful group that had galactic influence.

which group was that?

The Jedi.

Obviously, such a group would have informants everywhere and so you couldn't have a large anti-Jedi conspiracy because they could easily see it coming.

@Rubiksmoose You should join the crew that filmed Ice Pirates and film it!

I mean, Ice Pirates seem like a step in that sort of direction, though they need to have more Force (either side) added.

@vicky_molokh I'll have to check that link out. The thought of me filming anything at all though is fairly entertaining.

@Rubiksmoose I've heard it's quite good, though I've also heard quality is inconsistent in some seasons?

@V2Blast I've kind of heard that as well, but either I haven't noticed or haven't hit them yet.

@doppelgreener When's that sequel coming out? :P