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13:27
unfucking believable
> mislead users
> insult and attack those who try to set things straight
> succeed, crow about it and use it as precedence for your own rightness and the invalidity of others' contributions
@kryan 3 second breaths, in 1,2,3 out 1,2,3, wait 1,2,3 repeat
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hey
so I take it a certain mod did some things
yeah, the fucking whip of spiders question
@KRyan easy on the language please?
13:30
he straight-up ignores how utterly Paizo failed to write a clear or consistent spell description
lies to users about it
is upvoted because that's how people wish it was written
I urge you to take this to meta. In the strongest terms imaginable
and now is using it as an example of how I shouldn't answer these questions
ah so "


While it's nice for him to add the spell, it's not always required - expert answers means that maybe if you don't have access to the spell you shouldn't answer.' plus his answer I take it
@waxeagle why? he'll just hand-wave and be like "you rules-lawyers are subhuman scum whose opinion is meaningless and this is obviously what the spell does and you and everyone who agrees with you is just an idiot"
and he'll be supported in that position by enough people to make it look inconclusive at best
@KRyan for documentation if nothing else
because your current reaction is doing yourself or anyone else no favors
13:32
I would support you
he lumps that one in with the "why are spontaneous casters behind?" question
@KRyan I told you to back off the language. I'm serious. Come back when you're cooler
profanity laced tirades do no one any good.
14:18
@waxeagle censorship does no one any good. It was a slip, not intentionally ignoring your suggestion, but your response seems to me absurd -- literally as you did that, there was a "Hot Network Question" that used the same word repeatedly.
@KRyan feel free to take it to meta. I'll be happy to defend my actions there. I will not do so here.
@waxeagle fair, I don't really care that much and have no doubt the community would agree with you
@JoshuaAslanSmith but this is not the comment I was referring to, I was referring to the meta post about "newbie trap" questions
@KRyan yeah, I'm not happy with that post either, at least it's not calling you out by name, but it's pretty clearly targetted at you.
(since you're the only other answer there)
@waxeagle it's also absurd since he, himself, is blithely ignoring the criteria and text because he doesn't want to admit Paizo's failures
having a fanboy as a moderator is really problematic
again, the only way anything is going to change is if we take this to the proper venues
and I told you last time, there is a ton of benefit of raising these issues on meta. The documentation is really important
and not only that, SE reads every meta post on every meta.
(trust me when I tell you that a well reasoned discussion of this issue will not be ignored by them)
14:25
@waxeagle I don't feel entirely confident to write it
@KRyan write it. Someone else can edit it if it needs it. Just mind your tone and keep the profanity to an absolute minimum.
make sure you note the places where you've been specifically targetted. If there are places where you feel like comments that have since been deleted are relevant, link the post and people with that access can review them.
@waxeagle that's the part I just don't have time to do
@KRyan gather what you have now and post it. More can be added later
@waxeagle what I have now is only the current incident
@KRyan that's fine. it's a much better place to start than the past anyways
the past can be filled in if it's needed later
14:36
well, I'll ping you if that happens
later
I think you're under the impression that taking it to meta makes it somehow a rhetorical debate between you and mxy, or a public Dear John letter. Challenging someone's behaviour on SE is neither a popularity contest nor a rhetorical wrestling match. Write it to the people who have the ability to influence Mxy, not to Mxy.
good point. Letter to SE would be better
There should be no expectation of a public shaming or airing of dirty laundry; such investigations, and any sanctions deemed necessary as a result of them, happen without fanfare or spectacle.

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