The Sand Trap

Rydwolf Programs

00:23

...wait. Those of y'all who live in the US but not Texas...are y'all's stoplights seriously all vertical?

What does that even look like?

Unrelated String

you have horizontal stoplights?????

Ginger

yall have horizontal stoplights in Texas?!

Unrelated String

like, traffic lights? three colors?

Rydwolf Programs

I thought that was normal

Unrelated String

the

Rydwolf Programs

00:24

But I just heard someone say it's not

Unrelated String

show me a photo

Rydwolf Programs

I figured they were joking

Ginger

...

I can't believe you're not

Unrelated String

like this shit???

Rydwolf Programs

Unrelated String

00:24

that is so weird

Rydwolf Programs

That's just how stoplights are [shrug]

lyxal

@RydwolfPrograms i would make a name joke here but wow

this is too much even for me

Unrelated String

@RydwolfPrograms the first thing that popped up when i searched texas traffic lights was literally vertical

Rydwolf Programs

The only time I ever see vertical stoplights is on the pole like in that picture

Unrelated String

Ginger

00:25

wow

lyxal

i knew there were horizontal traffic lights

Ginger

can't believe yall live like that

^^

lyxal

but i never knew someone would think that was the default

Ginger

^

Bbrk24

^

Rydwolf Programs

00:26

I just don't see why they'd put them vertical

Like that just seems silly

Unrelated String

@lyxal i wasn't even sure he meant horizontal traffic lights and not, like, those weird 5-light ones with extra signals for turns

Rydwolf Programs

Also do y'all not have ones with more than three lights? Those gotta look so dumb vertically

Bbrk24

You put the left turn arrow to the left of the regular green when there is one

lyxal

for a moment i thought he meant stop signs and was even more concerned

@RydwolfPrograms those turn into a matrix :p

Rydwolf Programs

WHAT?

Ginger

00:26

^

Bbrk24

lyxal

. .
.
.

like that

Rydwolf Programs

...

Unrelated String

@RydwolfPrograms because people with impaired color vision can probably remember top-middle-bottom easier than left-middle-right :P

Ginger

I've seen ones with all 5 vertical

lyxal

00:27

at least that's what happens here

Ginger

they're uncommon tho

Bbrk24

I've seen four vertical (with no yellow arrow) but not all five

Unrelated String

i've also seen some with 4 lights vertically but i have absolutely no idea what those are about

lyxal

2d traffic light placement

Rydwolf Programs

I see ones all the time with 4-5 lights. Today I was in Georgetown and kept seeing ones with double red arrows

Not sure what those're for

Ginger

00:28

turn left at your own peril

Rydwolf Programs

Maybe just to make it stand out more? idk

lyxal

that's what they look like here

Rydwolf Programs

Weird

lyxal

apparently that's a thing somewhere here

but as i said

Ginger

okay what

lyxal

00:29

matrix

T for tram

Ginger

that is unholy lmao

Bbrk24

@lyxal boston be like

Unrelated String

@lyxal what the actual hell

lyxal

as i said apparently

never seen it myself

but it's on the goofle

googel

*gogoel

Ginger

g o o f l e

lyxal

00:30

*google

Unrelated String

glogal

Ginger

r/ihadastroke

inb4 someone actually posts this there

Rydwolf Programs

> Lawmakers might ban dogs from sticking their heads out of car windows

What, will the dogs get a fine?

Kennel time?

Unrelated String

ell hnq vibes

Ginger

they're gonna be put in the pound

Rydwolf Programs

00:32

Okay but I keep seeing pictures of vertical stoplights on this search page and they look so goofy

lyxal

@RydwolfPrograms cone time :p

Rydwolf Programs

Doesn't horizontal make way more sense for like attaching them

lyxal

No?

Vertical has the advantage of being able to be tilted down for people on hills

Even if it looks condescending

Rydwolf Programs

You can do that with horizontal too...

Unrelated String

@RydwolfPrograms if it's dangled from the wires instead of on a rigid pole then you don't need to add any extra weight to balance a vertical one in place

Rydwolf Programs

00:36

Seems like wind would make that a bad idea

Ginger

what

oh yeah people do that

been ages since I've seen one of those

Bbrk24

@RydwolfPrograms well yeah, in strong wind they aren't exactly visible

Rydwolf Programs

How would they not whip around and destroy themselves even lol

Unrelated String

...good question

Rydwolf Programs

I mean I don't think Texas is particularly more windy than other places right

So I don't think it's a regional thing

Unrelated String

00:37

i guess they're probably too heavy for non hurricane weather to do that and if it is a hurricane you just accept the risk :P

Rydwolf Programs

I mean if wind can make the whole pole lurch like I feel like it could still pick up the traffic light

Unrelated String

...i can't say i've ever seen that

wow

Bbrk24

01:12

my upstairs neighbor is watching pirates of the caribbean

emanresu A

02:29

… horizontal traffic lights exist?

Unrelated String

i hope not

Rydwolf Programs

03:44

Lol I just tried to apply for a credit card and got instantly rejected

Bit of a chicken and egg problem lol

Unrelated String

phenomenal

Rydwolf Programs

I guess I should apply for a secured credit card

Only problem is my credit union has two and one seems clearly better so I'm wondering what the catch is

But I also don't wanna get rejected from a second one lol

It's still got 1% cash back (and 2% on some things and 5% on some more things) which seems good

Rydwolf Programs

04:11

Welp, applied for a secured card with a $1k line of credit

Through my credit union

lyxal

1000 kromer

uh oh

@RydwolfPrograms @Ginger @UnrelatedString you better watch out

3

Rydwolf Programs

I probably won't use anywhere near that much but since they say not to use more than 30% of your credit limit, I figure $300 is probably about the max I'd use per month for now

@lyxal Well I guess now that I (might) have a credit card I can be a bi consumer in a different way

lyxal

function's gonna eat you

nom nom nom

Rydwolf Programs

Jokes on it, I'm probably still covered in paint and thus poisonous

Y'all it came out SO GOOD

LOOK AT HOW GOOD IT IS

Some of my friends helped which I'm really really glad they did

Unrelated String

nice

does your school have some kind of like senior art exhibition

Rydwolf Programs

04:15

Like look at that logo. Look at the skull. It literally looks photoshopped in

Unrelated String

ahaha

Rydwolf Programs

@UnrelatedString Don't think so

Ooh that might be a good fundraiser idea for senior committee tho...

Unrelated String

@RydwolfPrograms it looks really close to photoshopped in but luckily you took a good enough photo that i can see your impressively detailed brushstrokes :P

Rydwolf Programs

Nah the skull was all my friend

Unrelated String

@RydwolfPrograms wait so did you just like make this on your own initiative on a canvas that... has tire marks on it...?

Rydwolf Programs

04:17

Y'all she's so cool. She brought me a giant helium balloon and little cakes on my birthday

Unrelated String

nice lmao

Rydwolf Programs

She spent hours helping me make the stencils and everything

Unrelated String

wow

Rydwolf Programs

@UnrelatedString Paint-your-parking-spot

Unrelated String

i would think that qualifies as an art exhibition :P

very cool either way

Rydwolf Programs

04:18

@UnrelatedString I guess :p

I almost don't wanna park in it lol

Unrelated String

ikr

there's enough negative space around the sides that you wouldn't be at too much risk of scuffing up too much of it at least

lyxal

@RydwolfPrograms wait hang on don't you like graduate this year (or next year)

Rydwolf Programs

Yep

Unrelated String

that would be what the '24 means

Rydwolf Programs

Hence the '24 :p

noinja'd

lyxal

04:20

so it's only there for a year

that seems

effort

Rydwolf Programs

It's so cool tho

lyxal

for something that'll inevitably be removed

Rydwolf Programs

It's very zen ig

Unrelated String

presumably painting parking spots is a thing for seniors to begin with

that too

lyxal

@RydwolfPrograms when next year?

Rydwolf Programs

04:21

May 2024

This is my last year of high school :')

lyxal

that seems like a fair bit of effort for 7 months of usage

less than 7 actually counting for school breaks

Rydwolf Programs

And it was expensive :/

$35, plus the $40 parking pass

But so worth since mine's clearly the best of anyone's

I like how I had one starboard message a day for four days straight :p

TST's birthday present to me ig lol

Unrelated String

lol

@RydwolfPrograms nice lmao

did nobody else have good ideas or just not nearly enough energy to actually execute as well as you did

Rydwolf Programs

There were only like half a dozen other people, and while I might be biased I think mine's just cooler and better executed

The marching guy's got some imperfections (we only stenciled him out partially, it was mostly freehand), but the logo looks PERFECT

And the head and chest of the marching guy looks amazing (it's just the thing he's holding and his right leg that're a bit messed up)

We tried to mix the same paint color as the background using our black and white paints, but it seems the gray I used for the background is a warmer color temperature than the paints we used for the foreground

(it's not as visible in person, luckily)

Unrelated String

04:41

the gray mismatch is weird around the foot but i kinda like the vibe it has on the baton lol

Unrelated String

05:13

i appreciate how y'all know me well enough to not even acknowledge this :P

6 hours ago, by Unrelated String

CMSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXxqTe5t1T4

lyxal

05:33

MINECRAFT DOOR - GANGSTA`S PARADISE (AI COVER)

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math scat

11:24

@RydwolfPrograms ... did you actually do that

Ginger

@UnrelatedString tbh I didn't even notice :p

and even if I had I wouldn't have clicked it because I can probably guess what it is

@lyxal well that's not good

math scat

@mathscat I could've sworn the mcr part was done by a computer

Ginger

12:06

@RydwolfPrograms waow

very nice!

lyxal

@Ginger *woag

Bbrk24

12:36

@Ginger I think I asked you this yesterday but I didn't see an answer: using sechat, how do I get the full message text for a long message with a 'see more' button? I just get the preview in a <div> or <pre> with class="partial"

Ginger

well, that's the funny thing: you don't :p

fortunately, I happen to know how to do it manually

Bbrk24

Also, what is SE's character limit? I find it unlikely that it's the same as Discord's, which could cause problems in translation

Ginger

it's about 200 characters for single-line messages and like a billion for multi-line ones

lyxal

500 for single line

Ginger

ah

lyxal

12:39

theoretical billion limit for multi-line

16

A: What is the maximum length of a chat room message?

The limit of a normal single line message in chat is 500 characters. If you enter an explicit line-break (shift+enter on a Windows machine) you can lift this limit of 500 characters. but in the transcript you'll still see only 500 characters. Users would have to click the See full text link to ...

Ginger

@Bbrk24 send a GET to <chat server>/messages/<room ID>/<message ID>

lyxal

iirc it caps out at roughly a million

Bbrk24

Discord has a hard limit of 2000 either way, or 4000 if you pay for it (no literally)

Ginger

there's some trick with ^^^ regarding raw messages, I think it's a query string parameter

lyxal

4 million

give or take a few hundred thousand

Ginger

12:40

this is why Tragic Wormhole works

Bbrk24

ah

lyxal

in Sandbox, Aug 4 at 13:35, by lyxal

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Bbrk24

Well maybe I don't expand it then, so far the partial has always fit

lyxal

hard upper limit of ~4.5 million

Ginger

huh, imported comments aren't length-restricted

lyxal

12:41

imported from where?

Bbrk24

Well comments have their own length limit

lyxal

^

Ginger

*adds another coin to an oil drum labeled "chat inconsistencies"*

Bbrk24

Oh speaking of which, we didn't test imported comments last night

To the sandbox!

Rydwolf Programs

13:18

@mathscat With help from my friend, yes :D

@mathscat I know right

It came out so good, we used a stencil then added the scratchiness with a brush

@lyxal IIRC I've gotten just under 5 million

Rydwolf Programs

13:30

I think it may actually be variable

Maybe there's a 10 MB limit for a row in the database

Someone

14:01

c h a o s

lyxal

You want chaos?

There's your chaos

math scat

@lyxal petition for this but rydwolf.

lyxal

I saw the video that made this in photoshop I am not making rydwolf Tesla :p

Rydwolf Programs

DO IT

If you do I will give you a picture of me wearing cat ears

That is your incentive

Ginger

lyxal, do it

lyxal

14:07

It's 12:07am so no :p

Ginger

do it later then

lyxal

Do it yourself :p

Ginger

can't, no photoshop

math scat

can you at least link the video then? :d

user

@RydwolfPrograms that's the opposite of an incentive

lyxal

14:09

reddit.com/r/shitposting/comments/16se2ig/…

@user yeah I don't want the photo anyway

user

That'd only motivate one to not do rydwold tesla

lyxal

That's right

If anything it'd be a punishment

math scat

@lyxal PURE ART

user

@lyxal that actually took an knsane amount of skill

lyxal

I do not have that level of photoshop skill :p

I don't even have photoshop

The internet will have to (thankfully) remain free of cat ear rydwolf

And that's a sentence I didn't think would need to exist

Ginger

14:11

~~do it anyway to spite lyxal~~

lyxal

It wouldn't just be spiting me it'd be doing the whole world a disservice

Spitting? Spiteing?

How spell

Ginger

spiteing

user

@lyxal gimp

lyxal

I thought you were against the image being released

user

Alwo your uni might provide a free license

I am but if you need photoshop for legit stuff you have gimp

I know my university provides adobe stuff

And other software too

lyxal

14:14

~~visio~~

user

F

lyxal

Anyhow, I'm off to bed for the night. I better not see any furwolf pictures when I wake up.

o/

user

O/

Someone

help

I've been gone for like five minutes and this has already happened

Bbrk24

16:42

@Ginger if I want to define the sechat event handler as an instance method on a class, how would I later connect that to the room? Would I be able to @room.on(sechat.EventType.MESSAGE) thing.on_message?

Rydwolf Programs

Impossible challenge: Open Spotify without the UI having changed

Ginger

@Bbrk24 room.connect(EventType.MESSAGE, handler)

idk if that's the exact function name

Bbrk24

got it

can I just say thing.on_message or does that lose self the way that JS is prone to

Ginger

no self-loss here

Rydwolf Programs

16:58

Eminem - Lose Yourself [HD]

►

Bbrk24

async def on_message(self, message: discord.Message):
    if message.author.id != self.user.id and message.channel.id == self.CHANNEL_ID:
        await message.add_reaction(WAITING_EMOTE)
        try:
            await self.room.send(f'{message.author.display_name}: {message.content}')
            for attachment in message.attachments:
                # How to get ratelimited 101
                await self.room.send(attachment.url.split('?')[0])
        except:
            await message.add_reaction(ERROR_EMOTE)

Bbrk24

17:43

@Ginger room.handle takes a dict as its second arg

oh it's register that I'm looking for

Bbrk24

18:16

What are the rules to having multiple accounts? I want to create a separate account for this bot to make it easier to test

@Ginger @RydwolfPrograms you seem like you'd know

Rydwolf Programs

It's perfectly allowed as long as you don't do anything you couldn't do with one

Like double-voting

Ginger

^^

Bbrk24

Alright what's something I can do to get it chat privs

I haven't done codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/88653/… in Trilangle yet

user

18:40

So I went to a career fair today and had to describe what I've used Python for in the past

I tried talking about how I've worked on Vyxal, but how do you explain a golfing language without it sounding silly?

I don't think the recruiter understood me at all (which is fine because it seemed like he was already pretty unimpressed lol)

But in the future I'd like to say it in a way that sounds cool. Any tips?

Rydwolf Programs

"A custom programming language designed for competitive coding, to minimize code size"

Ginger

~~whereas I can say "I wrote a compiler" and it'll sound cool no matter what~~

user

@RydwolfPrograms Ah "minimize code size" is a good way to describe golfing

I started trying to describe code golf and how it had nothing to do with golf, which was probably a msitake

Bbrk24

upvotes please

Rydwolf Programs

@user Yeah I've made that mistake too

user

18:47

@Bbrk24 Downvoted, mwahahaha

bbrk bot

cool thanks

Ginger

~~ZOMG BOT IN TST KICK IT~~

user

@bbrkbot Say something funny so we can star it

Ginger

ideally referencing butter

Bbrk24

I can't get the automated sechat login to work, but there's also nothing in the console

oh there we go it finally errored

discord.errors.DiscordServerError: 503 Service Unavailable (error code: 0): upstream connect error or disconnect/reset before headers. reset reason: connection failure

just restarting it worked lol

DLosc

19:47

upvotes please :P

Or do I need to edit my answer to contain the word "butter" first?

math scat

TIL tinylisp2 exists

DLosc

in tinylisp, Apr 22, 2022 at 14:54, by DLosc

So yeah--very very alpha version of tinylisp 2 is out and can be demoed on Replit! Most of the core language is there, it's just missing a lot of the "nice" features and a lot of library functions.

I think I've implemented the "nice" features by now, tho I'm not sure 100% which features I meant by that. The library's still hit-or-miss.

DLosc

20:29

@emanresuA And that reminds me I should get back to golfing my QBasic tinylisp interpreter sometime.

@UnrelatedString Yes. Since recursion is the only iteration construct, the language would be pretty useless without tail-call optimization (though exactly how useless depends on your host language's recursion limit, I guess).

Someone

@Ginger and I can say "the amount of serious projects I have made is exactly zero" and they'll throw me out on the spot no matter what

DLosc

21:41

Just leaving this here for future reference, seems like a good reaction quote:

DUH! WHAT A GREAT IDEA — Fattie yesterday

emanresu A

22:06

That is an... interesting... way of cooking...

DLosc

^

The thing that really surprised me was how unsurprised the commenters and answerers seemed about cracking eggs over a pizza. Not something I've ever heard of before.

emanresu A

I wouldn't be surprised if there were some that got mod-nuked

DLosc

You mean comments like "What the heck, that's weird," which would be deleted for being unconstructive?

emanresu A

Yeah and/or answers

DLosc

My initial reaction was "If you're not following the cooking directions on frozen packaged food, there's no guarantee the result will be edible. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" But of course, if there is a way to make it work, that's a better answer (provided it doesn't come with heightened food safety risks).

@DLosc I suppose it should also be said that my code-golf solutions in tinylisp are often non-tail-recursive because it's golfier that way. But that's code golf for ya. The library functions are all implemented using proper tail recursion.

Unrelated String

22:23

@emanresuA i hope that's it

emanresu A

22:39

xD

@DLosc I usually try to make my solutions tail-recursive so they work for arbitrarily large inputs- which basically means I can’t use recursive techniques at all and have to do things iteratively. The tinylisp prettifier was particularly annoying

DLosc

@emanresuA Hm, not sure how using tail recursion means you can't use recursive techniques. Do you have an example (that's smaller than a kilobyte ;P)?

lyxal

22:58

@user "I'm a core developer for a community led effort to create a programming language that performs optimally in competitive coding competitions where the key metric is code size"

"further, I am second in command of the organisation managing the language, and I am responsible for key infrastructure for an upcoming overhaul of the language"

A little bit like that :p

user

@lyxal That's good too, thanks

Dannyu NDos

user

The phrase "competitive coding" that you and Rydwolf suggested is very nice

Dannyu NDos

Mmmm

user

I hate you

Always making me hungry :P

Dannyu NDos

23:03

This costing 7¾ dollars feels a bit expensive but whatever

user

USD?

Dannyu NDos

10000 KRW; that's roughly 7¾ USD, I guess.

user

Ah

But you can't directly convert the price, there's cost of living differences, right?

Dannyu NDos

Dunno what you mean by "living difference"?

user

I meant differences in cost of living

Dannyu NDos

23:11

I don't think that difference is considerably big. After all, South Korea is a well-developed country.

user

It's not about how well-developed a place is

Big cities have higher costs of living than small towns, for example, right?

I'm assuming if you live in a big city fast food'll cost more?

lyxal

I thought that said "if you live in a big, cat food will cost more"

And somehow I thought "yeah that makes sense I guess"

@user I also thought this said that "it seemed like he was already pretty uncompressed"

user

Well I should hope so

A recruiter would probably not be paying too much attention to you if they were compressed

lyxal

boutta compress this man into a zip folder

user

Make sure to DEFLATE him

lyxal

23:18

"Breaking News: people being reduced to bitstrings as man goes around 'Vyncoding' everyone"

user

"man"? I thought you were a lyxal :P

lyxal

who said I was doing it? :p

user

Oh am I the man

lyxal

could be any man

preferably a man from florida

user

"Update: Man reveals motivations for Vyncoding spree, says he wants to 'golf everyone's life'"

lyxal

23:21

"Update: copycat compressor going around hissing at everyone, yelling SSS at them before turning them into garbled unicode"

Dannyu NDos

@user Judging by that it was a franchise, I don't think there is a difference.

emanresu A

@DLosc Example: The tinylisp formatter. Your example program is recursive in a way that can't be made tail-recursive, because it recurses on multiple branches at once, so I had to do it iteratively

Bbrk24

23:49

@DannyuNDos Fractional dollars is cursed

Dannyu NDos

Why? Do you hate coins?

Bbrk24

No, it’s always a decimal

7.75

Dannyu NDos

Oh

Bbrk24

and if it’s only one decimal place you add a zero, 7.50

Dannyu NDos

Nevermind, my calculation-in-mind was wrong; 10000 KRW = 7.38 USD, accordingly.

Bbrk24

23:54

still fairly close for a mental estimate

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