But conspiracies are fun >:|

You spoiled it

You mean I actually fact checked it :p

Exactly :p

oh and uh

> So really, only 4% of our revenue in the last three years came from videos sponsored by organizations, only 0.9 % from the Gates Foundation/Ventures.

Well percentages wouldn't matter

Like to use an extreme example if I got 0.001% of my funding from the National Socialist Movement you still probably wouldn't want to trust me

depends on how you let that percentage influence your actions

because all money has some sort of history attached to it

anyhow completely different but

music to ask "where are my fingers" to

If you're so concerned that Kurzgesagt is spreading propaganda about billionares, just do some fact-checking.

They're fairly optimistic, yes, but not enough to raise red flags.

My biggest concern is simply that they too often assume people in power will always be smart enough to look ahead and consider selfish altruism, but this is sometimes not the case.

I'm joking, but a Go game should be written in Go.

@DannyuNDos you're not JoKing

That's JoKing

smh stop impersonating the mods

@DannyuNDos You're Dannyu NDos

That's a good one

@Ginger Now you're joking.

no, I'm Ginger

we just had this discussion

And this is why cases matter.

You know I'm increasingly skeptical of intelligence

I was thinking about thinking while working in the parking lot at 8 AM as one does, and came to the realization that my memory probably isn't all that much better than most people's, which up until now was my assumption for why I do better in school and stuff than others

See here's why

We remember things by like, making connections, right

Like nodes on a graph. The more vertices the better you remember it. Well, since I'm just so curious about so many subjects, there're nodes all over the place for new facts and ideas to link onto

So I hypothesize that, while better pattern matching might make that process of attaching to similar nodes more effective, and "better" memory might allow you to store more nodes or more nodes per hour or whatever, that primarily your curiosity and ability to act on that curiosity is most of what makes you smart

LMFAO how did I find out I'm a national merit semifinalist from the LOCAL NEWS before my school told me xD

There I am on page 54/78 of the list of everyone in Texas xD

> Leander

for when you lead something but you also like lean

I'm one of only four people from my town of like 100k who got it (and one's from some rich white kid private school) :D

uh oh

I'm on the run

stealing cars?

I thought you were a drug dealer

I like to be well rounded yk

@RydwolfPrograms for example, i feel confident that i'm smarter than average, but my memory is absolutely horrible lmao

Just got a new computer, replaced the windows on it with Fedora + KDE

nice

@Seggan I've heard Fedora KDE is super buggy

Lemme know if that turns out to be a rumor 'cause it sounds cool

not super but i definetly ran into at least 2 bugs alr

not anything bad, just a touch annoying

one was a flash when i switched desktops (havent been able to repro it), the other is that the installing bar is half hidden behind the menu bar in Discover

I wish GNOME had a mascot like KDE does...

Konqi is super cute, I mean.

Never seen anything like this

> This is a much better project with excellent research. Good job. I hope you don't actually move that far.

I went from a 59 to a 100 lol

for a moment then I thought this was TL and that you'd somehow posted a message there :p

(from the chat sidebar)

You didn't hear? I'm a mod now. Of Off-Topic Stack Exchange, the newest site, where all of the questions are off-topic

@lyxal (fwiw it's actually pronounced "Lee-ander" not "Lean-der" :p)

Like I thought that the TL room header referred to the message above :p

@RydwolfPrograms Lee Ander?

I thought your name was Ryan Tosh

goofy idiot can't make up his mind :p

I had to switch names after they busted me for stealing cars and being a cocaine dealer

that sure is an interesting car stealing method you got there

lol I like how it made my shirt into a buttoned one

Also what happened to my eye xD

@RydwolfPrograms i can confirm it is

sure, a minor bug or two, but usable

@Seggan how can it be usable?

that's the name of a golfing language

a laptop isn't a golfing language

or is it?

Wait there's a golflang called "usable"?

@RydwolfPrograms it's a pronunciation of 05AB1E :p

also I was going for a different joke but I just can't

Ohh

I always just call it "osabie"

I just can't

it's too perfect

that's like the second rydwolf meme format I've made

MY HAIR

AAAAAH

the picture was supposed to be "photo of a man holding a laptop running Fedora KDE"

but this is way better

HOLY FRICK

THE IMGUR URL

LOL

IT'S MEANT TO BE!!!!!

IT IS

ight forget this software engineering stuff I'm moving into the rydwolf meme template industry

LMAO

help i'm hurting from laughing :p

you know rydwolf had to do it to em

really wish I could see these images

do images on github show?

yes

I'll upload them there

cool cool

github.com/Vyxal/Sandbox/blob/master/… is the first meme

github.com/Vyxal/Sandbox/blob/master/axyIl.png is the template

github.com/Vyxal/Sandbox/blob/master/… is the had to do it to em

I was originally going for a mocking spongebob kind of thing (to complete the meme type trifecta of drakepost, change my mind and mocking memes)

but it didn't really work out

and i forgor to change the file name

Colleges are desperate for me

> Because you're a top candidate, I'll waive your application fee, I'll make your admission decision a priority and I'll make sure you're considered for scholarships automatically. Plus, you'll be given access to a personal admission dean.

Like calm down Hofstra

javacpp-presets doesn't have 17.0.1, so I guess I'm downgrading to v16

I guess this is what happens when you use like three layers of FFI lol

I'd assume there's API/ABI compatibility between 17.0.0 and 17.0.1 tho right?

probably, but I'd have to figure out how to make javacpp-presets play nice with it

and I absolutely do not want to do that

wow

my new laptop can start intellij in like 4 seconds

my old one took ~20 seconds

what have i been missing out on

haha, my lazy codegen can be optimized easily!

generated code for adding two numbers: (I wrote this by hand but it's about what the compiler would output)

define i32 @main() {
    %ptr1 = alloca i32
    %ptr2 = alloca i32
    store i32 1, ptr %ptr1
    store i32 2, ptr %ptr2
    %lhs = load i32, ptr %ptr1
    %rhs = load i32, ptr %ptr2
    %resultptr = alloca i32
    %result = add i32 %lhs, %rhs
    store i32 %result, ptr %resultptr
    ret i32 0
}

optimized result:

define i32 @main() {
  %result = add i32 1, 2
  ret i32 0
}

@lyxal The fedora made out of his own hair reminds me of that meme format with a guy whose chair is formed out of his own brain

uh

@Ginger what is this. why is this. how is this.

could you be more specific? :p

knowyourmeme.com/memes/tfw-too-intelligent-2smart

Oh the "uh" was to Ginger not me

is that what the compiler was outputting?

that's what it would output, if it existed

@Ginger alloca more like cloaca amiright

silence

@Seggan About 16 seconds

the reason that code is so verbose is because it is an extremely literal translation of Vyxal to LLIR

oh

good thing I'm so averse to making a language

mostly because it would suck and probably look like spaghetti code

so it turns out that what I wrote there actually wouldn't work, because LLVM's "stack" isn't actually usable as a stack

I want a STACK dammit

oof.

I can't seem to figure out how to do arrays of variable length in LLIR

and I need to do that in order for this whole thing to work

What even is LLIR?

LLVM Intermediate Representiation

it's technically called LLVM IR, but I like my name better

That explains why I found nothing when I looked it up.

it seems I'm going to need some Runtime Support™ for dynamically sized arrays

not sure what that'd look like tho

uh

how would input work with that?

sounds like a delicious nutritious memory leak

probably :/

oof!

that would require hard limiting, and…

ce n'est pas bien.

@Ginger and LLVM is that good at optimization?

im impressed

yup lol

okay, I need to find a suitable runtime for this project

what're my options here...

libc obviously

ah yes, a classic. (I think.)

@Seggan this is the part where CGR would be useful :b

to provide implementations of stuff like malloc

is a malloc implementation necessary tho?

I can already tell you're about to be in way over your head

wait, is this for Vyxal?

@Someone yup

@RydwolfPrograms I'm already drowning in the deep end d:

hahaaa wish i were skilled enough to help with that

the closest I've ever gotten to working on an actual project is watching other people work on fastify-throttle

@Someone probably not, but I do need an implementation of a stack

or at least a resizable array

and you did say dynamic arrays were necessary.

yes

so you're stuck between somehow messing around with C to make one, and creating 99999999 memory leaks by accident by using a runtime array

kinda

I don't think any memory leaks would be happening here right?

yeah I'm not really sure what they mean

It's stack-based, as soon as an array's used it's popped off the stack

I don't even think the arrays are heap-based from what Ginger's said (tho that seems like a very fast way to blow the stack)

if I don't use an external implementation of a dynamic array I'm forced to limit the stack size

since LLVM's built-in array type requires a fixed size

that's what I mean

if stack size is limited, potential is as well

but if it's not, input can be misused to make memory leaks

I really don't see what you're on about with memory leaks

Once a piece of data is used it's popped

And it can just be deallocated

Or for better performance refcounting could be used

paranoid idiot strikes again!

these are just theoreticals

by someone who doesn't know what he's talking about

I can't tell if you're insulting yourself or Rydwolf

me

Rydwolf knows what he is doing

he/him (if you don't have it I'd recommend the pronoun userscript: stackapps.com/questions/8440/pronoun-assistant)

anyway

I'm not sure where to proceed from here

alr

it's done

@RydwolfPrograms they're not rn

I'd need a runtime to make them heap-based

I just realized the SE chat trolled me. (this is a test to show that)

I'm going to take a shot at using the C stdlib

or maybe the C++ one, since that has a dynamic array implementation

but C++ has name mangling and such

> Senator Susan Collins, the 70-year-old Republican from Maine who favors modest, tailored skirt suits, joked that she would protest by showing up to work wearing a bikini, an image so incongruous she didn’t have to say anything more.

What an insult lol

My dream is to give a speech at graduation

I wonder if I could somehow make that happen

Maybe being a national merit semifinalist would be enough cred for that?

I am going to throw my laptop out the window

remember earlier when I said the only casualty would be me, from insanity? we've about reached that point and I haven't even started working on the actual compiling part of the compiler yet

hallelujah, I got part of it working

I have now managed to confirm that Clang links against libc by default

which means I can use libc externs in my output without any issues

unfortunately, this doesn't save me from the stack

but it's a step in the right direction, and additionally lets me use the heap

now

I'd like to not have to use a dynamic array for the stack

let's goooo, something is working

so is there any way for me to use the OS stack/heap directly as a stack instead?

well, most languages don't have a stack-type object

I have access to everything in libc to play with

does the OS use a stack?

yes (I think)

@Ginger You could use the call stack yes

But it's of limited size

I'm trying to figure out how to use libc's memory management functions to store pointers as if they were a stack

ideally I could put all the pointers right next to each other and shift them around

Is it a FILO stack?

good question q:

I think so

Then popping would be relatively clean.

A FIFO stack would require a ton of overhead if using pointer spam.

I don't really see an issue with overhead or memory leaks in a FILO stack unless I completely misunderstand Vyxal.

Since when has anyone used "stack" for fifos :p

Me, now.

The cal stack is filo

ok

it feels stupidly inefficient to store the pointers to the stack entries on the heap

but I can't figure out how to store them on the stack :|

I'm sure I'm fundamentally misunderstanding something here

Does C have builtin support for messing with memory like that?

Seems more like an assembly thing.

I doubt it, but I'm pretty sure LLVM doesn't either

welp.

@Ginger Wait wait what

Pointers to the stack in the heap?

Some weird storage stuff.

I dunno

my head hurts

@RydwolfPrograms tHe IrOnY

yeah

memory management is janky

I feel like I'm overthinking this

One issue with using the call stack as the stack-stack is variadic commands or ones that manipulate the stack

If you've got call stack stuff mixed in, you're gonna get weird issues I think

is the heap any better?

I'm p. sure even Forth uses a separate stack from the call stack

why "even Forth"? Is it particularly predisposed to taking advantage of builtins?

So that's what I'd do, just use a dynamic array (or possibly even a linked list) for the stack, in the heap

@Someone Forth is a low-level stack-based language

oh.

but that just goes back to the issues with dynamic arrays.

like "how da h e c c is this going to work on LLVM?"

@RydwolfPrograms and the array directly stores the items on the stack?

regardless, there's still ^^

@Someone Dynamic arrays aren't all that hard to implement

I'd still probably use a linked list tho

@Ginger Sort of. There'd be a bit of complexity because of data types and stuff

Unless...how smart do you want this to be? You could statically analyze it and make it statically typed I suppose

Which I suppose you might as well

I'm sure there're a few ways to obtain values that could be multiple different types at runtime, but you could just use tagged unions for those

And you might even be able to do away with the stack entirely

By compiling it into more imperative code

how do imperative systems work?

@RydwolfPrograms this is what I wanted to do

but I have zero idea how I'd do it

Okay then you probably don't even need a data stack

You basically just have RPN with some special stuff

@RydwolfPrograms isn't it a lot of struct-based overhead, though?

So you'd want to compile from Vyxal to a more regular RPN intermediate representation with no variadics or swapping or anything that requires being stack-based

wait, so is this about another type of compilation for Vyxal?

to LLVM? or am I completely misunderstanding it?

No it'd be to LLVM

that's what I said

so is this an offshoot or something?

I'm pretty sure RPN is a pretty common IR even for traditional imperative langs, I think going from RPN to SSA would be pretty easy

Offshoot of what?

@Ginger Does Vyxal have any variadics?

If it does, that's a problem