The Sand Trap

Ginger

00:02

nice (2)

Jacob

01:15

@pxeger i got 100 :D

Unrelated String

wait i'm 202

Seggan

i love httpcat

Bbrk24

01:37

How many of these are there

I need to see all of them

I am just plugging in numbers and laughing

what the heck is 308

Oh no not 405

Seggan

@Bbrk24 http.cat for the full list

yeah i laughed through it too

406 is hilarious

Bbrk24

lmao 304

Seggan

and 408

Bbrk24

411!

Seggan

413

and 415 lol

Bbrk24

01:45

425!

Seggan

429

Bbrk24

507

Seggan

510

Idea: Star Wars but in Shakespearean English

"Thou killedest my father"
"Nay, I art thy father"

lyxal

02:15

d'y'all want me to move the numbers to TST?

Bbrk24

I don't mind either way

user

Star Wars already uses a bit of that fake archaic English

user

02:48

Anyone else here no longer feel a dopamine hit from the +10 notification?

emanresu A

Me

user

You've also been less active on the main site, right?

emanresu A

Yeah

Unrelated String

i used to not but i've been so inactive that it's back :P

user

I used to feel all excited when I saw those red notifications saying I had comments/replies in chat but now I'm just scared there's comments saying my answer's invalid or can be improved

@UnrelatedString Nice

Channel that into langdev :P

By the way, everyone here has permission to steal any questions I suggested in the definition phase (username Original Original Original VI), tidy them up, and post them on langdev

Dannyu NDos

02:53

North Korean cold noodles slap

user

C++20

rip

Dannyu NDos

Since you were curious

lyxal

Why are these

Unrelated String

good question

lyxal

04:10

← 26 messages moved from The Nineteenth Byte

Ginger

11:06

@user me

Number Basher

13:04

since when is this called the sand trap

math scat

14:59

Bruh

I’m not online for a day and the next thing I see is 50 new questions

Ginger

yeah you missed a lot

mousetail

16:00

🎵 The PEP 8 Song 🎵

►

2

Rydwolf Programs

16:20

Well, down to 9 unfinished assignments for the year

And I don't think I'm getting any more

DLosc

16:42

@Seggan Oof, bad fake Shakespearean English is one of my pet peeves

Seggan

I made it bad on purpose for effect :P

i know that “art” is completely wrong there

DLosc

That's a relief

For a while (before I learned to ignore it) I'd get really bothered by the AI's concession speech in Age of Empires II: "No wonder thou wert victorious. I shalt abdicate."

> I shalt

Ginger

16:57

@RydwolfPrograms were you aware that when you nuked Canvas you also deleted the logs?

Rydwolf Programs

Which version of canvas

I don't remember nuking any version of it

Ginger

the one on rust wolf

/srv/public/canvas is gone

Rydwolf Programs

Try canvas_old maybe?

Ginger

nope

Rydwolf Programs

I believe a lot of canvas iterations were hosted on rust wolf instead of rust drop

Ginger

16:59

oh

Rydwolf Programs

which is currently shut down

Ginger

I don't think I have direct access to rust wolf

yeah, that might be it

Rydwolf Programs

The old disk image is on my external HDD at home

I can poke around it if you want

Ginger

that would be appreciated

Rydwolf Programs

Whatcha gonna be doing with Canvas?

DLosc

17:12

Today, in "what the heck is this comment":

// Edit blank new not we want Save/Cancel (adding a new one)

Rydwolf Programs

17:30

My ears are asymmetrical

My left airpod fits and the right one doesn't

What did I do to deserve this

fuck and I just skipped my whole queue since I accidentally clicked the last song

And they keep pausing every like second

DLosc

@RydwolfPrograms You're in good company

Rydwolf Programs

Tbf it's prolly just since I have my left airpod in at work all the time, but never the right one

Since I need to be able to hear things well

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms a little trolling

Rydwolf Programs

Okay that's it I'm going wireless ear thingy shopping

Ginger

hey @RydwolfPrograms your DNS is evil

they do the thing where invalid domain names return a webpage instead of NXDOMAIN

Rydwolf Programs

17:45

Oh did I forget to change your DNS to 8.8.8.8

Make sure to do that

Or 1.1.1.1 if you're a cloudflare simp instead of a google simp

Seggan

@DLosc “Master Qui-Gon, more to say, thou hast?” :P

Ginger

I lov e the goog!

DLosc

@Seggan "Verily, I ween the Chancellor Palpatine is a Lord of the Sith!"

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms just wanna make sure: will my VM come back up if I sudo reboot it?

user

@RydwolfPrograms Unrelated, but I just hate how phones and laptops are getting rid of headphone jacks

Ginger

17:56

because, uh, I just rebooted it and it's not back up

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger No

user

My parents are getting us all new phones (our current phones are from 2016/2017) and they don't have headphone jacks

Ginger

well shit

@user AGREED

Rydwolf Programs

Do you need me to SSH and restart it

Seggan

@user ikr

Ginger

17:57

@RydwolfPrograms yes plz

user

Why do devices keep getting rid of ports? I'm fine with chonky phones and laptops, give me my ports

Rydwolf Programs

@user The phones still come with adapters so it's fine IMO

Ginger

I had to restart it for the DNS changes to work

@RydwolfPrograms the dongle life is no fun tho

user

@RydwolfPrograms Ah ok

Seggan

@DLosc ween is a word?

Ginger

17:57

unrelatedly, "dongle" is such a great word

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger I just keep the dongle on my headphone wire

I use one wire for my phone and one for my PC

user

@Seggan I've heard ween refer to...something else, didn't know it was an archaic word

Seggan

Yeah I know the… other thing

Ginger

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

user

Headphone jacks stay in more securely than USB-C cables but I guess it's not that bad unless the dongle isn't too big

DLosc

17:58

Get your minds out of the gutter, children :P

Rydwolf Programs

On that topic I still am absolutely in love with the fact that "ball-peen hammer" is a thing that exists and there's perfectly reasonable justifications for that name

Ginger

my brain is trash and I live on the internet

Rydwolf Programs

@user Secure connections can be a liability tho...like if your cable gets snagged

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms every time I see that I have to read it twice over

Rydwolf Programs

I'd rather my cable rip out and interrupt my music than have a zillion newtons of force be directed at my $150 headphones

DLosc

17:59

@Seggan (archaic) To suppose, imagine; to think, believe.

user

@RydwolfPrograms Hmm, I guess so

Seggan

@DLosc Ah

user

@RydwolfPrograms See, that's why you should be using the headphones your school gave to you for free that are falling apart and are held together only by tape and sheer force of will

Rydwolf Programs

What kinda school do you have

My school didn't give me any headphones lol

user

One that spoilt its students

We got a bag with chromebooks and headphones when we came back from virtual school, and they let us keep the headphones

Rydwolf Programs

18:02

My school spoils us, just in more financially sound ways

@user Free? We have to rent our laptops

user

:(

Rydwolf Programs

It's not much, like $50/year or whatever, but still

(I don't rent one tho ofc, they suck)

user

I'm privileged 😎

To be fair, the headphones are awful, but for some reason, they got us brand-new chromebooks that bent all the way back and had fancy touchscreens

Even though the school already had plenty of (old) chromebooks to give out to us

I think the whole school district got them, actually

Rydwolf Programs

My school district just got a $500 million bond, for technology among other things

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms VM restart plz

user

18:04

Nice

Rydwolf Programs

So maybe we'll get like, functioning projectors

Ginger

nice

Rydwolf Programs

Server up

> [FAILED] Failed to start The PHP 7.4 FastCGI Process Manager.
See 'systemctl status php7.4-fpm.service' for details.
[FAILED] Failed to start MariaDB 10.5.19 database server.
See 'systemctl status mariadb.service' for details.

user

My high school would waste money on the stupidest things, even as teachers were going on strike for not being paid enough

Rydwolf Programs

Might wanna check that

Ginger

18:05

welllll

yeaaah

I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that

user

They got these crappy portable projector things from some company that would've gone bankrupt had the school district not bought from them, even though the previous projectors were working fine. On top of that, classrooms that already had projectors got the portable projectors

Ginger

err, I can't connect to the tunnel

Rydwolf Programs

Texas' minimum teacher pay should, and this isn't even a joke, be quadrupled

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms is code-tunnel.service running?

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger Lemme log in and make sure the networking's up

Ginger

18:06

is there Internet?

I might've Zucked up the DNS config

user

@RydwolfPrograms Is the cost of living super high throughout Texas? I'd thought it was pretty low there (outside places like Austin, at least)

Ginger

okay what the fuck Mozilla

Rydwolf Programs

Pinging works

user

What did Firefox do?

Rydwolf Programs

@user It's pretty low typically I think

Ginger

18:08

put a big-ass banner ad on developer.mozilla.org

Rydwolf Programs

But $33k for the people who teach children how to be functioning humans is downright ridiculous

Ginger

and you gotta pay to get rid of it

user

Nothing wrong with ads

Ginger

it doubled the height of the header

which, might I say, is sticky

user

@RydwolfPrograms But teachers are more likely to be altruistic and teach out of the goodness of their heart, so it's okay to exploit them since they won't complain as much /s

Rydwolf Programs

18:09

DNS works

Ginger

maybe restart the tunnel?

user

@Ginger The upper part of the header isn't sticky for me, only the second (real) header

Ginger

it is for me

Rydwolf Programs

You forgot to systemctl enable code-tunnel.service silly

Ginger

bruuuuuuuh

I may be stupid

user

18:10

No you're a Ginger

Rydwolf Programs

Oh also

sudo: unable to resolve host gingersrv: Name or service not known

Ginger

I am Ginger with a capital G

Rydwolf Programs

This keeps getting logged, check your /etc/hosts

Ginger

hmm, shit

@RydwolfPrograms I added it to /etc/hosts

Rydwolf Programs

I keep forgetting I can SSH to your server instead of using the recovery console

Ginger

18:13

well now sudo freezes

Rydwolf Programs

rip nice

bingyoy?

Ginger

haha it worked

and you can't do it to me because of how tunnel works

Rydwolf Programs

aw, I can't retaliate

rydwolf@gingersrv:~$ who
rydwolf  pts/1        May 17 18:12 (159.203.180.235)

Gotta go to lunch

Ginger

I'm the ghost in the shell baby

Rydwolf Programs

Good luck with your sudo issue

Ginger

18:14

I think it was a fluke

sudo seems fine now

Rydwolf Programs

Today in "deciding whether it is safe to put this in my mouth": school sandwich that appears to be attempting tuna or maybe chicken salad

I don't know if I'm brave enough to even try eating this or if it should go straight into the trash

I could probably make it 2.5 hours

I just ate two granola bars and there's still chocolate milk

Yeah nah this thing's going straight into the trash not even risking it

I might be able to salvage the top bread slice

Okay opening the container if you don't hear from me within five minutes you can find my location pretty easily

yeah nah not worth it

@Ginger ooh have you seen the anime

It was free on YT for a while so I watched it

Ginger

I have not, I just know that joke

also my Canvas clone is now up and running

Rydwolf Programs

lol nice

Ginger

18:30

yeah

I'm not... really sure what to do with it tho

Rydwolf Programs

yeah lol

Do you wanna help me with wiggles nose and blinks twice the thing?

We can discuss it using one of your wack chat programs if you want

To ensure nobody spies

Ginger

unfortunately I no longer have access to replit's copy of campfire

but if you can get me a copy sure

actually hol'on

shit, 403

Rydwolf Programs

403s are fun

Ginger

I don't think it'll let me get a zip of it w/o logging in

and besides that's probably too much work just for this

Rydwolf Programs

Fine then. We're using one of my wack chat programs

Ginger

18:33

cool got it

ollchatScray?

Rydwolf Programs

Oh god that would be cursed

Ginger

yeah lol

Rydwolf Programs

I designed Scrollchat to make myself feel intentionally awkward and discomforted in the same way I am by in-person interaction

Ginger

~~I can SSH to localhost to make myself a terminal and then you can write data to it~~

~~we can use wall~~

wait, would that SSH thing actually work?

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger I was legit gonna propose this 💀

But in a screen session

Ginger

18:35

IT SURE DID

sophisticated duct tape go brrrr

Rydwolf Programs

ooooh spicy

Ginger

that's great lmao

Rydwolf Programs

I think I'll do something slightly less cursed tho :p

Ginger

and now for something completely different; I just fired up Tinkercad for the first time in like 2 years and was greeted with this:

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Rydwolf Programs

Omw to Hawaii then

Ginger

18:38

~~I envy your innocence~~

anyway

Rydwolf Programs

~~Or maybe I just have self-control~~

Ginger

you've made at least one crude joke in the past

Rydwolf Programs

Tho then again my list of plans for once school gets out is ITSSUMMERMOTHERFUCKERS.MD so maybe that self control part isn't so true

Ginger

let they who are without sin throw the first stone

wow that sentence sounds wrong with singular they

also:

Rydwolf Programs

let bro who is without sin throw the first stone

Ginger

18:39

bopit.wav

Rydwolf Programs

LMAO

Ginger

okay so what is your solution for private communication

Rydwolf Programs

I'm just pulling something old out of an archive

It'll be a sec or two

Ginger

because if left to my own devices I will start proposing steadily worse and worse ideas

Rydwolf Programs

Okay problem I only have the back-end lol

Ginger

18:41

Magic Wormhole's text transfer mode!

Rydwolf Programs

I'll just hack together a super shitty front end

Ginger

okay maybe Campfire is a better idea

I'm going to save you from yourself and take 10m to set up Campfire again

Rydwolf Programs

Noooo

I am having fun

Ginger

it's for your own good!

Rydwolf Programs

Noooooo

Ginger

18:45

haha got it

math scat

@mousetail reminds me of refactor by Espen Sande Larsen I can’t promote enough

Refactor

►

mousetail

@mathscat You know it's a good channel if it has 27 subscribers

math scat

Yup, that’s my benchmark if YouTube nukes the like button

Ginger

alright, lemme just reconfigure nginx...

math scat

@Ginger make a meme out of it and post it to r/blendergore or something

Instant karma

Ginger

18:53

holy hell

Campfire worked first try

math scat

Wait a sec

lemme try to remember

Ginger

weird, this doesn't look like the new version

aw hell I downloaded old campfire by mistake

Rydwolf Programs

Okay server's up

lemme make that cursed front end

Ginger

bruh I just got mine up

math scat

wasn't campfire that chat forum you were trying to code?

Ginger

18:55

@RydwolfPrograms Campfire's up, you can probably guess the URL

@mathscat I did code it

twice

math scat

~~static html isn’t coding~~

Rydwolf Programs

lol

Ooh I guessed it right lol

Ginger

19:11

alright, let's see if it worked

nope lul

worked!

@RydwolfPrograms v2 is now up

Rydwolf Programs

Ginger

try again

I had to restart

Rydwolf Programs

Oh also you need to change your nginx config

It shows the nginx version

Bad for security

Ginger

???

how do I do that?

mousetail

It's really not that bad to show your server version if it's reasonably up to date

Rydwolf Programs

19:18

Takes like 5m to disable it tho

No reason not to

Seggan

19:45

@Ginger whats that?

Rydwolf Programs

19:55

WAIT til "duck" the verb and "duck" the noun are related

Also ducks are heavier than I thought

Apparently 1kg is a light duck

mousetail

Ducks are also just a lot bigger than you think

Rydwolf Programs

Oh probably yeah

I hear 90% or more of them can be underwater

mousetail

Yea they are basically icebergs

DLosc

20:14

@RydwolfPrograms The man who hunts ducks out occasionally

Ginger

20:49

@RydwolfPrograms think I should officially announce the Return of Canvas? (it's not like it'd be hard to guess the link tho)

frankly I don't think anyone will care

DLosc

@Ginger What did you want to revive it for if not to use it with other people?

Ginger

because... I thought it would be fun?

I'm honestly not sure why I did it

user

21:02

@Ginger I care!

I need something to pass the time this summer

Ginger

right

I might start it up later then

user

Awesome

Are you planning on adding authentication so we don't get spammed, btw?

Or actually, the mod tools last time were pretty effective

Ginger

I'm not planning on really doing anything to the codebase

I'm just running it

emanresu A

The mod tools last time were awful

Rydwolf had to manually edit the json file

And I never got around to adding proper admin tools

Also there was no way to prevent botting or even delayed placement

DLosc

21:46

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Q: Is it harmful to use the word "Cancel"?

Elsewhere, among a group of high school math teachers, I encountered a discussion of the term 'cancel'. Most (>20) people in the discussion had very strong feelings about why the term should be eliminated. I searched among posts on this stack to find the word common used and its meaning seems wel...

vocabulary

Here I thought this was going to be about "cancel culture"

Ginger

22:30

@RydwolfPrograms CHAT BRIDGE WORKS

I got it to open a connection!

Rydwolf Programs

23:05

Nice!

Ginger

yes, very

had to screw with my firewall to do it tho, thanks Windows

Bbrk24

23:37

I just discovered the parody 7xx status codes

github.com/joho/7XX-rfc

Ginger

> 737: FuckThreadsing

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