@user Fun fact: That's basically what lethal injection does when it's botched and that happens very very often

There's no reason at all for there to be a paralyzing agent in it, it just makes the execution look nicer from the outside

that is not a fun fact

@user I think he's just explaining the reason for the x being in xe

hey uh wtf is going on with What If

the Archives button on what-if.xkcd.com redirects to what-if-origin.sciesnet.net/archive

@AidenChow "New" (which is relative ofc, some are older than others) pronouns which were invented to fill a role which existing pronouns (he/him, she/her, they/them) don't. Basically to be a non-binary pronoun that's not also the generic default.

@user You're wayyyy overestimating how much the average person knows about this stuff lol

Neopronouns might be a concept some or most people are familiar with, but running into them in the wild is pretty rare except in certain communities, and you could easily go a long time without ever knowing about them (especially if you're as young as Aiden is IIRTC). And I didn't hear the term "latinx" until pretty recently since where I live everyone says "hispanic" instead of "latin[o/a/x]"

And even then people would just say "latino" since there's more actual spanish-speaking people here and fewer well meaning white people who like changing other peoples' languages to make themselves feel more comfortable, which is from what I can tell what most actual spanish speakers think of "latinx"

@user lol it took me way too long to realize "he" was quotative in that sentence and that you weren't accusing some random guy of assuming everyone was male

@lyxal Do Australian shopping carts not work the way ours do? You can just stand on the back of ours and push off with one foot to glide along

Sometimes store employees yell at you but since I'm a store employee now nobody can stop me

@AidenChow I've drifted around a turn so hard in one of those I've literally thrown myself off of it

And that's impressive given that they're capped at like 5 mph

@Ginger 104.188.174.251 port 22

Just my normal IP address

got it

@UnrelatedString I somehow read that as "it's been years since I've menstruated" and I was like ?!?

For very many reasons

@Bbrk24 I'm kinda surprised they didn't ask you at some point. Like, my employer is based in Texas and boomer enough that they don't let female employees work in the parking lot and they still asked about my pronouns when I got a job there

@RydwolfPrograms permission denied

What error

Generic pubkey?

yus

And you're SSHing to the right account right?

[email protected]?

I... may have forgor 💀 the account name

:|

lol

I do that a lot

it works!

Well actually I don't because I alias all my servers but still :p

time to install vscode

@Ginger :D

:D

Oh really quickly can you cat /proc/meminfo and lscpu

Just to make sure that worked right

And maybe df too

MemTotal:       49356456 kB
MemFree:        49166428 kB
MemAvailable:   48868760 kB
Buffers:           25528 kB
Cached:            95856 kB
SwapCached:            0 kB
Active:            82184 kB
Inactive:          52260 kB
Active(anon):         92 kB
Inactive(anon):    13136 kB
Active(file):      82092 kB
Inactive(file):    39124 kB
Unevictable:           0 kB
Mlocked:               0 kB
SwapTotal:             0 kB
SwapFree:              0 kB
Dirty:               116 kB
Writeback:             0 kB

Architecture:                    x86_64
CPU op-mode(s):                  32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order:                      Little Endian
Address sizes:                   46 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
CPU(s):                          4
On-line CPU(s) list:             0-3
Thread(s) per core:              1
Core(s) per socket:              1
Socket(s):                       4
NUMA node(s):                    1
Vendor ID:                       GenuineIntel
CPU family:                      6
Model:                           79

Filesystem     1K-blocks   Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/root      103080888 575088  97246548   1% /
devtmpfs        24675468      0  24675468   0% /dev
tmpfs           24678228      0  24678228   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs            9871292    164   9871128   1% /run
tmpfs               5120      0      5120   0% /run/lock
tmpfs            4935644      0   4935644   0% /run/user/1001

all looks good

Yup

Have fun!

I will

oh one more thing: sudo password

is it rydwolfiscool by any chance

The usual

thought so lol

yup

mfw I'm not in the sudoers file

Wait really lol

you just got me coal for christmas :/

Oh right I had to delete and readd your account

Since I used useradd instead of adduser (thanks linux)

F

Oh and quick recommendation: Write down in a text file somewhere the steps for everything you're doing to set up this server from a blank slate

in case we have to do it again? lol

That way if you ever need to move again and I can't just copy over the VM rootfs, it'll be a smoother process

yeah :p

thought so

But since I have complete control over the VM's rootfs this time around, it should be trivial to just copy over the rootfs to some other thing if stuff goes wrong

got it

You're sudo now

You'll need to Ctrl+D and SSH again for it to update (or newgroup if debian has that)

got it

I've got SSH access to this server too so I can do any maintenance if you need me to

If you need to start a Minecraft server lmk and I can set you up with an account on rtowolf itself and install the necessary stuff

got it

(at some point I'm going to reduce the jank in this setup, make a Rust script to manage the VM, and give you sudo access to rtowolf for emergency maintenance, but unless this ends up being really unreliable for some reason, it'll stay this way until AP test season is over)

got it

me after saying "got it" 4 times in a row

You got it

I do got it

ok, VSCode tunnel is up

let's see if I can connect

I can!

it works :D

Nice!

@RydwolfPrograms LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

time to copy everything over from gingerdrop- oh wait, I don't have any space to make archives of all of it :b

rsync is your friend

me not knowing how to use rsync

It's just fancy cp

huh, really?

and does it work over SFTP?

Basically

:O

Here's a good command to use: rsync --info=progress2 --no-i-r -a [from] [to]

wow

--info=progress2 --no-i-r is for the progress bar and -a handles preserving things like modification times, special files, directories, symlinks, etc.

and do I just provide the droplet's info at the end?

Depends. Can you SSH from one server to the other?

yes, but I need the privkey

dunno how to give that to rsync

rsync is based on SSH so if ssh <whatever> works, you'll just do <whatever>:<file path> as the from or to

I have to provide -i for SSH tho

Wait really? Where's your id_rsa?

I thought it used it automatically if it was in .ssh

it is not there lol

Well put it there :p

ok

You can pass options through rsync to SSH but it's annoying

fixed it

rsync works, nice

@RydwolfPrograms how do domain setup

You'll need to change the DNS to 104.188.174.251

Lemme do that for the ones I own

cool

Got the rto.community ones

and then I can just copy my nginx config over?

yup

cool

@RydwolfPrograms uh:

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
@    WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!     @
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

interesting

ohhh

What's the hash it's giving you

I can check if it's right

I was sshing to the domain you just changed

the rto.community one

ah lol

hmm

@RydwolfPrograms what's the droplet's IP?

159.203.185.103

@RydwolfPrograms certs time

certbot.eff.org/instructions?ws=nginx&os=debianbuster

blech, Snap

Yeah gross

Not sure why they switched to it

we SSL now

mfw 502 bad gateway

@RydwolfPrograms err, nginx failed to start because it couldn't bind to port 80

oh wait

nvm I had 2 nginxes running somehow

...why is it not stopping

oh

hmm

the wiki's down but the rest seems to be OK

alright, time to bring Snowy back

Yay!

just had the most depressing realization

i’ve gone from wondering what kind of person even can be affected by grades to understanding that exactly me is that kind of person

forgiving quality standards exist to filter out specifically the inability to get anything in at all

getting this working is surprisingly difficult :|

ugh, why can't poetry just work

aaaaaaaaaa

Nobody even knows what it is

I'm not surprised

issue opened

ok, I think it's fixed

starting Snowy...

SNOWPAW LIVES

@RydwolfPrograms IT WORKED

nice

ok, time to wrestle with the wiki

augh, frick

@RydwolfPrograms we got a problem

the wiki and VyxalBot are "conflicting" according to nginx

it can!

Mwahahahaha

> Position the fish fillet so that it is as far as possible from the centre of the microwave turntable. (i.e. don’t place the fish along the radius of the circle, don’t place it dead centre either).

I'm sorry what?

How is it possible to place the fish somewhere that's not along the radius of the circle?

@Ginger Show me the money files

Chances are you've got the domains misconfigured

Also wait what isn't VyxalBot a Python script, why is nginx involved at all?

@RydwolfPrograms Oh wait is that the actual reason

server {
    server_name vyxalbot.ginger.rto.community;
    root /srv/static;
    index nope.html;



    location /webhook {
        proxy_pass localhost:8069;
    }



    listen 443 ssl; # managed by Certbot
    ssl_certificate /etc/letsencrypt/live/ginger.rto.community/fullchain.pem; # managed by Certbot
    ssl_certificate_key /etc/letsencrypt/live/ginger.rto.community/privkey.pem; # managed by Certbot
    include /etc/letsencrypt/options-ssl-nginx.conf; # managed by Certbot
    ssl_dhparam /etc/letsencrypt/ssl-dhparams.pem; # managed by Certbot

@lyxal I'm sorry for accusing you of trolling

I was talking out of my butt

@user I would assume so

server {
    server_name wiki.rto.community;
    root /srv/wiki/;
    index  index.php;

    client_max_body_size 5m;
    client_body_timeout 60;

    location /blank {
         return 200;
    }

    # Location for wiki's entry points
        location ~ ^/wiki/(index|load|api|thumb|opensearch_desc|rest|img_auth)\.php$ {
                include /etc/nginx/fastcgi_params;
                fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME $document_root$fastcgi_script_name;
                fastcgi_pass unix:/run/php/php7.4-fpm.sock; # or whatever port your PHP-FPM listens on

them's the configs

@Ginger Not relevant to the conflict but...index nope.html;?

@RydwolfPrograms yes

Also this looks sus:

server {
    server_name vyxalbot.ginger.rto.community;
    listen 80;
}

It's listening on 80 but not actually serving anything

hmmmmmmmmm

I'd remove that and the equivalent block from both configs and try again

yeah IDK why that's there

Certbot prolly added it

didn't work

What error is sudo nginx -t giving you?

nginx: [warn] conflicting server name "ginger.rto.community" on 0.0.0.0:80, ignored
nginx: the configuration file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf syntax is ok
nginx: configuration file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf test is successful

What's the config for ginger.rto.community?

server {
    server_name ginger.rto.community;
    location / {
        root /srv/public;
        index nope.html;
    }






    listen 443 ssl; # managed by Certbot
    ssl_certificate /etc/letsencrypt/live/ginger.rto.community/fullchain.pem; # managed by Certbot
    ssl_certificate_key /etc/letsencrypt/live/ginger.rto.community/privkey.pem; # managed by Certbot
    include /etc/letsencrypt/options-ssl-nginx.conf; # managed by Certbot
    ssl_dhparam /etc/letsencrypt/ssl-dhparams.pem; # managed by Certbot

and it displays the default nginx greeting page when you go to it for some reason

Try removing that weird 80 block like with the others

And make sure to add a root and index

That's a weird config actually...why're those two in a location /?

FWIW here's the base config I use

server {
    server_name rto.run;

    root /srv/public/rto/;
    index index.html;

    location / {
        try_files $uri $uri/ =404;
    }

    location ~ /\.ht {
        deny all;
    }

    listen [::]:443 ssl; # managed by Certbot
    listen 443 ssl; # managed by Certbot
    ssl_certificate /etc/letsencrypt/live/rto.run/fullchain.pem; # managed by Certbot
    ssl_certificate_key /etc/letsencrypt/live/rto.run/privkey.pem; # managed by Certbot
    include /etc/letsencrypt/options-ssl-nginx.conf; # managed by Certbot

@RydwolfPrograms still no good

ginger.rto.community works now, but the wiki doesn't

Same error?

Oh interesting

the error's gone

What does the wiki do

but I'm still getting a 502

@RydwolfPrograms wdym?

Oh I was just asking what the error was

502's the answer

yus

502 usually isn't an nginx problem

Are you sure PHP's installed and working?

(and if you're not sure make sure it's the right php)

hmmmmmm

I think it is???

Was the wiki working on this server before?

no

Then it's a wiki problem not an nginx problem, with high certainty

probably yeah

Look for unix:/run/php/php7.4-fpm.sock

and php -v

the socket's there, already checked that

PHP 7.4.33 (cli) (built: Feb 22 2023 20:07:47) ( NTS )
Copyright (c) The PHP Group
Zend Engine v3.4.0, Copyright (c) Zend Technologies
    with Zend OPcache v7.4.33, Copyright (c), by Zend Technologies

Hm. Not sure what the 502's for then. Maybe check the error log?

sudo less /var/log/nginx/error.log or similar

looks like a perms error with the socket

That's what I was about to ask about yeah

You don't have SELinux by any chance do you?

(I'd assume not)

nope

weird, got lots of other errors too

lemme clear the log rq

A lot will be 404s and 403s from bots usually

Those can be safely ignored

yup

Might wanna remove that IP

If it's yours

thx lol

I don't think it is but better to be sure

hopefully the mods can nuke that edit

gotcha bitch

the socket's owned by www-data

What's your nginx user?

@Ginger the message is deleted, as I'm sure can tell

> Nofl complimented him, calculating furiously

@HannahVernon it's still in the history

Never thought I’d see our unique adverb combinations in a book

I specifically didn't delete it because I thought mods could nuke edits if messages weren't deleted

@Ginger ok, will take care of that too

cool

1 messages deleted

is that better?

As an RO I can still see the edit history of the deleted message

poof

History be gone.

thx Mast

Better now @RydwolfPrograms ?

@Ginger Looks like there's a config file somewhere were you can change the owner of the socket

@Mast Yup, it's gone now. Thanks!

^

Np

@RydwolfPrograms ik

I've diddled with this before, remember? d:

I've changed the settings, but it's not working for some reason

Did you restart php with sytemctl?

AHA

it was a different setting

@Ginger Oh that makes sense. Was wondering why you'd run into a bug on this VM but not the droplet.

got it!

:D

oooh, ok

Make sure to write this down in that txt file if you've been maintaining one :p

One of you is going to run for mod and unlock the mighty Purge button.

FPM's working, but uh

the database is not

@Mast That'll be me in about five months (plus however long until there's a mod election once I turn 18) :p

agh, I forgot to copy the databases over

mfw

@RydwolfPrograms For some sites it's an election every 2-3 years, so you got plenty of time to practice.

I'm hoping I'll be able to be a pro tem mod on PLDI

Not if you're not 18.

yeah. Made the proposal a few months too early :p

:-)

thanks vscode 🙈 very cool 😺💻

i just ate 🙈 a handful of nails 😺💻

Gotta love fatal errors.

My latest favourite error:

JsException(PythonError: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/lib/python3.10/site-packages/_pyodide/_base.py", line 429, in eval_code .run(globals, locals) File "/lib/python3.10/site-packages/_pyodide/_base.py", line 300, in run coroutine = eval(self.code, globals, locals) File "", line 4, in File "", line 129, in write AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'innerHTML' )

Which tells me the error is so deep into libraries I'm f*d either way.

Yes, that's Python and JavaScript.

pyscript.net

🙈

@Ginger Exactly.

turned out to be VSCode having a moment because my hotspot died

🤣

I have never understood why large, well-respected organizations develop this... compulsion to use emoji in their open-source projects

Because everything is a popularity contest, not a proof of sanity.

Think elections.

This is, coincidentally, the first time I knew the answer right away, thanks to StackExchange

Oh dear. I know SE did the same thing.

Within 25 seconds.

The automatic subtitles on that video are nice too, turning backstab into backstep.

@Mast That's odd... I was pretty sure those were manually written captions.

@DLosc that is... an unlikely assemblage of personages

I did not ever think I would see Tom Scott and amogus in the same image

@DLosc Even odder, YouTube's autogenerated captions correctly transcribe it as "backstab" (while making some obvious mistakes on other words).

fun fact: nobody's quite sure what this comic means

what

yes really

what the frick

that's from xn--i-7iq.ws

Hi everyone.

hi

I have a question: Do programming languages that try to mimic human languages necessarily end up being eso?

this isn't really the right room, but I'd say it depends

I mean, I know that Groovy has some natlang features, and it's kinda eso version of Java.

@RydwolfPrograms Profile information isn’t mandatory so I just left it blank

@DannyuNDos AppleScript tries to be fairly English-esque. I wouldn't call it esoteric (it's intended for practical use), but then I wouldn't call Groovy esoteric either, so I guess it depends what your definition of eso is.

@UnrelatedString iirc, -e is a specifically new thing for nb people, vs -@ is used when it's not known (e.g. I've seen «bienvenid@» on a sign before)

I briefly read that as a command-line flag and was very confused q:

latin -e

opinion: languages that use emojis should also use emoji command flags

I clocked out and then back and I rolled Material Icons again

me when goog

> clocked

clicked

you punched your timecard

no actually, I can't log into my timecard

F

this is a problem that all the co-ops are currently facing apparently

okay the page reloaded for some reason (idk why) and it rolled a frickin BARCODE????

why

> Now using: Libre Barcode 39 Extended

@Bbrk24 makes sense

-e does seem like a weird neutral option versus markedly nonbinary

I am not a native or even fluent speaker though so I may be wrong

@Ginger ...which is i❤️.ws

It's punycode

Any domain starting with xn-- is a Unicode domain

also wtf windows

It turned i❤️ into I ❤️ automatically

I sure did want a space there mhm thanks wall glass

@Bbrk24 unexpected message in the bagging area.