The Sand Trap

user

05:01

lyxal, I need your professional opinion as an epic troller

@user From here

lyxal

@user that's not how it works?

user

idk they didn't teach me this in Precalc

lyxal

Ah dang I've gotten mixed up with Latinx haven't I

Unrelated String

yeahhhhhhhhhhhh

Aiden Chow

ok what, latinx??

user

05:02

lol

Oh no

Aiden Chow

latin is a language what now

latinx is a new language or what

user

Saying 'what kind of an idiot doesn't know about the Yellowstone supervolcano' is so much more boring than telling someone about the Yellowstone supervolcano for the first time.

Aiden Chow

da hell is this, latinx

user

I'd say you're one of today's lucky 10,000 but it seems like you're all of today's lucky 10,000

4

Unrelated String

wait how did i fucking forget the 10000 xkcd is about mentos cola

user

05:04

@AidenChow A gender-neutral form of Latino/Latina, except it seems like the x suffix isn't actually popular among real latinos

Is latine what you're supposed to use?

Aiden Chow

latine now???

Unrelated String

Aiden Chow

yo like realistically speaking how many pronouns are needed out of all these that are invented, like cmon

user

None, gendered pronouns are useless

Unrelated String

@user i think that's at least an option

have also seen latin@ but not sure how that's received either

user

05:05

Oh wait are you referring to like neopronouns specifically

Unrelated String

latino is probably safe tbh

user

@UnrelatedString That @ scares me

Aiden Chow

latin@?????

waaaaaat

Unrelated String

because it looks like an a and an o

Aiden Chow

why tf putting punctuation marks in their pronouns now

Unrelated String

05:05

kinda

Aiden Chow

aint no way bruh

how da hell u even gonna pronounce latin@ or latine or latinx

like cmon

lyxal

@user okay so if I've understood correctly, neopronouns are to remove embedded semantics from language?

(I've never actually understood what they are for)

user

I'm the wrong person to ask lmao, I don't know anything about neopronouns other than the fact that they exist

lyxal

same lol

user

But yeah, he implies the person is male and stuff, same for she

lyxal

05:13

well obviously

user

Wanna ping Bbrk?

Or I guess better not bother them

lyxal

I need to work on that assignment in typst anyway ;p

user

lol is typst encouraging you to work on your assignments?

I remember when I started using Latex I felt like doing my assignments solely because it looked so pretty

Unrelated String

nice

lyxal

no I'm doing a little procrastination

user

05:14

Aww

If I were an RO here I'd kick you but I can't, so I'll just say

GET OUT OF HERE

lyxal

thanks typst

very cool

user

?

$?

lyxal

I somehow broke the rendering

user

$?

lyxal

it's rendering text I deleted

user

05:16

f

Unrelated String

lol

user

Try using locally ig?

lyxal

oop fixed it

did y'all expect anything less from me?

user

Also you better leave this room right this moment or I will flag your last message

Aiden Chow

damn reminds me, i have an ap stats test to be studying for and i havent even finished this online course i was taking on ap stats lol, thats what procrastination will do to u

user

05:19

Good luck

Protip: Use the Teacher's Test instead of Student's Test for better results

Unrelated String

gl

^

Aiden Chow

u mean a student's t test?

also ive never heard of a teacher's t test before

dont think thats in ap stats, or ive not gotten to it yet...

lyxal

05:40

They really just played blinding lights by the weekend on a Tuesday in a store

Unrelated String

wow

lyxal

Sometimes I wish they made trollies you can drive or steer like a boat in store so you don't have to walk

Because sometimes you just be tired

Aiden Chow

@lyxal i mean they kinda have those already with motorized shopping carts

they are mostly for handicapped tho

Unrelated String

^

lyxal

@AidenChow I want it unconditional

And to ride in the trolley

Aiden Chow

05:55

lol then i would think supermarkets would have to be larger in order to accommodate all of those trollies

lyxal

@AidenChow no problem for the trollies you can ride

It'd be perfect

@AidenChow also I mean actually riding in the basket

Not on some auxiliary seat

Unrelated String

LMAO

lyxal

Like a pirate ship but a trolley you are allowed to use in store

Sail the 7 aisles

Unrelated String

just bring a paddle in and do it with a normal cart

or i guess something like a walking stick with a rubber tip so there's actual traction

bring in two of those ski rod things and just stab the store floor

lyxal

@UnrelatedString yeah but then I might get banned from the store

Plus I'm too bif

*big

I'd take up the whole cart with no room for what I'm getting

Unrelated String

06:06

:P

how small are your carts

lyxal

I'd need something like captains quarters up the back and the deck down the front

@UnrelatedString average sized

Unrelated String

like i'd probably take up half to three quarters of one of the carts here but there'd still be nontrivial room

like a basket's worth at least

lyxal

Do keep in mind I'm 6'2

Unrelated String

@lyxal the reason i ask is there's also these smaller stacked kinds of carts and ones that are the normal shape but half the size

oh

nice

i'm horribly overweight but only like 5'11 or something like that

lyxal

So where someone might fit with 25% space left, I'd need the whole space

Unless of course you have bigger carts in America

Unrelated String

06:09

wouldn['t be surprised

lyxal

That's the biggest size

Unrelated String

i don't get the strongest sense of scale from that :P

but it does look smaller than the american carts i'm used to

think i have seen mini-carts built similarly to that

is it wider than your shoulders

user

Need banana for scale

@lyxal I mean, it depends on the store. Some stores have tiny carts, some (such as Costco) have enormous carts

> only 5'11

Me here at 5'6"

Unrelated String

taller than a lot of people but still doesn't feel like

tall

user

That's tall

Average for men is 5'9" in the US

Unrelated String

06:15

i'm not even sure i'm not like 5'10

it's been years since i've been measured and my posture has probably gotten worse :P

user

@lyxal You could definitely fit into one of those low ones like they have at IKEA

5'10" is still tall

Unrelated String

~~nah, anyone shorter than me is short~~

user

That is an understandable way to look at it :P

Unrelated String

the weird thing is i used to genuinely feel like i was tall when i was younger

but now it just feels like most people are short

user

What's the difference?

If you're tall, other people are short. If other people are short, you're tall, right?

Unrelated String

06:25

good question

i think it's kind of like
how much i perceive myself as average, i guess

like when i was younger i was 1. an arrogant shithead and 2. able to write off people being taller than me as them being developmentally ahead of me
but now i'm 1. mostly not an arrogant shithead and 2. exposed to people who are taller than me at a point where nobody's meaningfully growing

Aiden Chow

@lyxal bruh sit in the basket, i would literally be so cramped in there... my legs are way too long

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and it's, like, there are enough people who are waaaaay taller and waaaay shorter that i feel like i'm in the middle range-wise even if not mean-wise

though i guess the short extremes are shorter-er than the tall

Aiden Chow

07:01

@UnrelatedString i am definitely in the waaaaay taller range at 6 ft 7 in, at least that was my height last time i checked my height a few months ago. i might by 6 ft 8 now

Unrelated String

holy shit

wow

nice

~~how sick are you of being asked if you play basketball~~

Aiden Chow

@UnrelatedString holy fuck u know that one pic on the internet where theres this card that this tall dude give out to everyone where its like the answers to the most common questions that tall ppl get. man that is soooooo relatable

Unrelated String

i haven't seen it but that sounds amazing

Aiden Chow

Unrelated String

lmao nice

Aiden Chow

07:06

except i play tennis instead

Unrelated String

ooh nice

tennis is fun

Aiden Chow

ye i think half the reason why i decided to play tennis is becuz i hated everyone telling me to play basketball so just to spite them i said i wanted to play tennis

but it is fun, dont get me wrong

i also dont really like the "close up" physical contact thats common in basketball, like when u trying to defend someone

tennis is more chill in physical contact thats for sure

Unrelated String

yeah

Aiden Chow

its also nice to see ppls surprise when i manage to overhead a lob that they thought i for sure couldnt get, one of the perks of being tall lol

Unrelated String

ahah

Aiden Chow

07:16

also i swear every couple of weeks a random fucking basketball coach for some random fucking basketball program/team comes up to me out of the blue just to ask me if i play basketball and if i want to take up a great opportunity

like literally im minding my own business, sometimes walking with my parents, and some dude just walks up out of nowhere

also keep in mind that my dad is also super tall as well so ig they must assume that our family plays basketball or smth

Unrelated String

wow

that is fucked up

Aiden Chow

its hella funny to see their reactions when we tell them that i dont play basketball, its so transparent how half of them try to exit as quickly but respectfully as possible and the other half blatantly just say that im "wasting my height"

Unrelated String

lol

Aiden Chow

@UnrelatedString well u get used to it over time, its not just coaches too, its less common but just random ppl for no reason just ask how tall i am, maybe cuz they are shocked and never seen someone so tall before

Unrelated String

yeah that much is understandable

Aiden Chow

07:23

every time i go to a new school (like elementary school to middle school, and middle school to high school) a bunch of random students and even some teachers sometimes ask me about my height too lol

the basketball coach at my high school literally walked up to me on the very first day of freshman year and asked me to join the team

like bruh

when i told him i played tennis he say that the offer still stood, and i could accept any time if i reconsider, then just two or so months later, just when the season is about to start and i have basically forgotten our first encounter, he comes up to me to ask if i have reconsidered my options

and it turns out our basketball team sucks

Unrelated String

:P

Aiden Chow

i guess thats why the coach was so desperate

like im 99% sure if i join the team i would actually be a liability to the team cuz i have like no basketball experience outside of PE classes

and i miss like 90% of my shots, even in the two point range

anyways thats probably enough of me ranting about how tall i am lol

Unrelated String

not like there's another convo in here

Aiden Chow

dude i can go on and on about experiences of being tall

kind of a one-sided convo here tho ngl

Unrelated String

yeah lmao

Dannyu NDos

10:44

Hi everyone.

This is a semi-joke question, but why is the golfing language Jelly named Jelly? Is it edible?

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i feel like there's an answer in some transcript somewhere

i know part of it is because it starts with j

(because it's inspired by j)

Bbrk24

what was that the keyboard wasn’t even open that word just appeared

Dannyu NDos

That's something more than a cat on keyboard, isn't it?

Bbrk24

@AidenChow No, some of these have existed for centuries

> Created by Charles Crozat Converse in 1858, thon/thons/thonself is one of the first known examples of creating a gender neutral pronoun.

Dannyu NDos

Another topic: Though I've never posted a fastest-algorithm challenge by myself, imagine if someone posted a polynomial-time algorithm for an NP-complete challenge. The entire site will blow up, won't it?

Unrelated String

10:59

okay never mind

in Jelly Hypertraining, Apr 22, 2020 at 22:11, by Mr. Xcoder

I'm not really sure why "Jelly" was chosen, but that word appeared in the transcript of TNB quite a lot in the period immediately before the release of the language. That might be a cause

Dannyu NDos

Thx

Ginger

@user ah, a fellow decaying eyeballs club member

I can hear frantic cat scurrying noises from the other room

wtf are they doing

@user ಠ_ಠ

Bbrk24

@DannyuNDos I’m just imagining someone posting it in the sandbox and saying “I’ve managed to do it in n^5 but but that’s disappointingly slow” and then a comment just says “You know that’s proven NP-complete right?”

Dannyu NDos

D:

Ginger

@AidenChow ...yikes

I sure hope everyone else was able to adequately explain them to you

Bbrk24

11:08

yeah I was about to go to sleep so I didn’t but I might be able to tonight

@Ginger Did you see my question that started that? Do you have any advice?

Ginger

~~I see everything, Bbrk~~

I did, and sadly I do not

I'll explain why in a bit g2g rn

@Bbrk24 so in short, while I prefer to use they/them in situations where I can (such as here), because of how I identify I can also use a set of gendered pronouns in situations where they're needed, such as if I'm unsure of how other people will react to my preferred ones

I wish I could help more, but I can't

sorry

Bbrk24

11:34

Aiden Chow’s response to my question highlights exactly why I don’t want to bring it up

lyxal

@DannyuNDos making a golfing language is hard enough. Now you want me to make it consumable by humans?

Smh with these unrealistic expectations upon modern language design :p

Dannyu NDos

@lyxal So you're the author of Jelly. Sure, but not by mouth, but by spirit.

lyxal

@DannyuNDos well, chatgpt did call me DennisMitchell once

Dannyu NDos

D:

Ginger

@lyxal I wouldn't advise eating raw Vyxal anyway

everyone knows you should at least dilute it a bit

lyxal

11:41

Bbrk24

this just in: vyxal is an AI language model

lyxal

I only just noticed what it called the conversation

Unrelated String

WHA

lyxal

it even put an ! at the end lol

Ginger

@lyxal go to whatever the Australian version of Costco is and ride one of the big flat-bottomed carts for moving washing machines and such like a raft

mfw I forget an l and the whole meaning of the sentence changes

lyxal

11:49

Who tf even goes to Costco

like no one I know goes to the costco here

Ginger

people who want five thousand cups of yogurt and ten washing machines, of course

Dannyu NDos

There is one Costco in my city. Across the river, tho.

Ginger

/s Costco is quite useful for acquiring lots of stuff in bulk so you don't have to make lots of small trips to the store

Dannyu NDos

And dang it, there is only one KFC, and McDonald's is nonexistent!

lyxal

@Ginger that would be good if costco was actually relevant here

Ginger

11:50

why go once a week to get 7 cups of yogurt or smth when you can go once a month and get 28 cups for an overall lesser price

lyxal

but it isn't

Ginger

"relevant"?

never heard of whole stores becoming uncool lol

lyxal

1 min ago, by lyxal

like no one I know goes to the costco here

Ginger

huh

~~they're doing it wrong I guess~~

lyxal

there's only one for a really large area

Dannyu NDos

11:51

The mall I usually go to is Homeplus.

lyxal

Costco isn't really something people know about

Bbrk24

Right before COVID hit (and not because of COVID, just had lucky timing) my dad bought a “Costco infinity-pack” of spaghetti

Ginger

@DannyuNDos incidentally, welcome to CGSE chat!

~~we're all sane, I promise~~

Dannyu NDos

@Ginger That's a late greeting lel

Ginger

@Bbrk24 like a single infinitely long strand of spaghetti?

@DannyuNDos I'm not late, you're just early :b

Dannyu NDos

11:53

Yeah, everything is 9 hours earlier here in South Korea...

Ginger

ooh, short story idea: one of those weird cursed shops that vanishes when you come back, except it's a Costco and all the products it sells are infinite

Bbrk24

oh yes I like that idea

Ginger

a ham that never seems to get smaller no matter how much you slice off, a pack of spaghetti that refills with more strands

a refrigerator that slowly and insidiously freezes everything near it

Bbrk24

that took a turn

Ginger

a washing machine that washes clothes until they disintegrate, a dryer that dries until its contents burn to ashes

the products start useful and then get slowly more dangerous

Dannyu NDos

11:55

Sounds like an idea for SCP Foundation.

Bbrk24

I mean there are existing SCP entries that are just stores

Ginger

see: infinite IKEA

Dannyu NDos

My fav ones are SCP-2521 and SCP-504.

Bbrk24

> Description: SCP-504 is a species of tomato

we’re off to a great start

Ginger

I'm going to try to remember this, maybe I'll actually do something with it later

or I could get @RydwolfPrograms to write a story about it d:

Ginger

11:59

have yall ever played KSP

the first one, not the second one

its music is surprisingly good for a game about rockets and space frogs

I especially like the track I have named Space Ambience 3

Dannyu NDos

My brother played KSP. Dunno if he still does it tho.

Ginger

unrelatedly, Windows File Explorer's "compress to zip" progress dialogue looks weird

that bit at the top kinda... shimmers? as well

Bbrk24

If you’re deleting or moving a large number of small files, that dialogue window slows things down and it’s way faster to do it over the command line

Ginger

I know, but this device doesn't let me use the command line ;-;

in this case it's a few large files tho

Bbrk24

Oh, at my new job I have two options for terminals: PowerShell and Git Bash

Ginger

12:05

yikes

Dannyu NDos

Should consider nix shell as well

Am I the only one here on NixOS?

Unrelated String

@Ginger yeah they do that

i think it's a holdover from vista-era design language

Ginger

@DannyuNDos I used Nix once

it's certainly something

Dannyu NDos

Python really should replacing Pip by Nix.

Ginger

mmmmmmmmm no

all that'd do is cause more issues

Python's packaging system is, sadly, unfixable unless major changes are made

Dannyu NDos

12:17

D:

Ginger

that's why I'm making Rabbit, the better Python

Dannyu NDos

Since when rabbits eat snakes?

Ginger

it's a giant skyscraper-sized rabbit that crushes snakes by stepping on them q:

and it has a much better packaging system

Bbrk24

oh I just remembered this error message I saw the other day: “err.error is null”

Unrelated String

smh, it should be a slug :P

Ginger

12:22

you see, the error's error does does not have an error

@RydwolfPrograms nice!

Dannyu NDos

"Error: Success!"

Ginger

now what domain do I SSH to? :p

Bbrk24

I tried to sign up for something I needed to at work, and the first time I clicked register it said that (it actually worked the second time)

Ginger

mmm, janky

Bbrk24

this is a project I will be working on so I may be tasked with fixing it

Dannyu NDos

12:23

Another topic: Why don't anyone golf in HTML5+CSS3? It's Turing-complete anyway?

Bbrk24

people do

Ginger

it IS?!

Bbrk24

mostly for graphical output challenges, but not always

lyxal

@Ginger you didn't know?

Ginger

I did not

lyxal

12:24

rule 110 simulation iirc

Bbrk24

@Ginger Yeah, you can do simple (1D) cellular automata using CSS pseudo-classes

what Lyxal said

Ginger

that is beyond cursed

lyxal

you can also make simple point and click games with HTML + CSS no js

Unrelated String

probably a lot of it is just how masochistic it would be to bend into recognizable i/o

but even then we have c++ template metaprogramming answers

Ginger

@lyxal I did see something like that a while back that abused checkboxes

like thousands of them

it was awful

Unrelated String

12:25

nice

Dannyu NDos

Q: Does Baba Is You belong here?

Introduction Baba Is You is a puzzle game. In this game, a level is a grid that consists of objects and texts, and the objective of the level is to, if there are texts BABA IS YOU and FLAG IS WIN, navigate Baba (a white cat-like creature) to a flag. The fuss is, there are so many variety of possi...

Bbrk24

@UnrelatedString Right, because you can say foo<5>

lyxal

@Ginger codepen.io/jcoulterdesign/pen/NOMeEb

Dannyu NDos

I think I'm who is gotta make BabaScript or whatever.

Ginger

@DannyuNDos already exists

Dannyu NDos

12:26

Really?

Ginger

esolangs.org/wiki/Babalang

yup!

Dannyu NDos

Yeah, but that isn't on a grid...

Ginger

hmm

Unrelated String

@lyxal ooh this

i've played it before

couldn't figure out how to make any progress

still can't

Ginger

ugh, I have no idea what to SSH to for Rydwolf's server

Unrelated String

12:31

like seriously as cool as a proof of concept this is what am i missing

Bbrk24

I’ve talked here about how my Discord bot is hosted
Did I mention that the VPS it’s hosted on is owned by an ex? That makes contacting them about anything a bit awkward

Ginger

yikes

again, I'd happily host it for you if you want

Unrelated String

i delete one of the intro dialogue boxes in case it's somehow blocking my downward movement and the game just fades to black

amazing

well now it lets me go down anyways

what changed? who knows

Dannyu NDos

Btw, we have a bunch of esolangs, but do we have an eso-CPU instruction sets?

Ginger

~~ARM~~

ARM is just kinda weird in general actually

but like in a good way

Dannyu NDos

12:39

I have one in mind; it can perform addition without having an add nor addi instruction.

Guess how? (Master-level math required)

Ginger

magic

Dannyu NDos

Before revealing the answer, I should ask, is MathJax supported here?

Ginger

in chat? nope

Dannyu NDos

D:

Ginger

chat markdown is, shall we say, appalling

Dannyu NDos

12:43

Well, in plain English then

Ginger

it breaks in multiline messages, its syntax for strikethrough is immensely confusing, it's a mess

Unrelated String

okay cool little game now that i've found the tiny sliver of down button that disappears if you ever unfocus the page

@Ginger how do you even type a code-formatted backtick again

Ginger

lemme figure this out in the sandbox

Unrelated String

i know someone's figured it out

Ginger

got it

`````

double-backticks

Dannyu NDos

12:45

Step 1: Implement the one-point compactification of the naturals as an iterator. Step 2: Implement the integers as a boolean-valued function space from this space. Step 3: Implement addition as bitwise add-and-carry.

Unrelated String

wait no it wasn't about backticks, it was about backslashes
but yeah i keep forgetting you can double them

\

`````

\

ooh

that was fast

double backticks seem to solve backslash too somehow

Dannyu NDos

Let me hope that a CPU would have 4MB of registers.

Unrelated String

``\``

maybe there's a space in there

\

nope

Ginger

12:59

OH MY GOD

I could get https://🐇💾.ws (aka xn--yn8hol.ws) for $4.99

so tempting

Unrelated String

:P

Ginger

[$4.99!]

lyxal

do it [little sponge]

domain or not [BIG SHOT]

Ginger

we'll see

hmm, or maybe 🐇🕳.ws

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