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00:03
Mmmm
I wish shell scripts could be written in sane languages
fish exists, but the support for it doesn't seem to be that great
Zsh has amazing plugins and has a decent level of support and compatibility with sh and Bash, but its syntax is atrocious
i hear powershell kinda tries to be clean... but it's also powershell, which kind of outweighs any advantages
I do like Powershell but yeah
like it's probably a step up from the other windows shell but it's jsut disgusting coming from the *nix shells
It's multiplatform now but I don't use it that much on Windows so I don't feel like using it in WSL either
@UnrelatedString I do like the descriptive command names, even if they are verbose
It's a HUGE step up from batch scripts
Infinity /mnt/c/Users/
wtf
That's the result of du -sh
00:13
Does it use doubles or something lol
I don't think I paid for the 2^1024 byte SSD option
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00:33
tfw Chrome OS can format your thumb drive but both Windows and Linux break trying to do it
Windows just didn't do anything when I plugged it in, and when I tried to mkfs it on Linux my whole server crashed. Chrome OS ftw
00:48
Your server crashed when you tried to mkfs??
I can't imagine what would cause that unless your server has some serious stability issues, since mkfs runs entirely in userspace and doesn't involve the kernel's filesystem driver.
Yeah I do not know who died in or on that flash drive
01:21
@RydwolfPrograms minimum system requirements for Microsoft Flight Simulator :p
02:20
@RydwolfPrograms ok great
what did you take, any courses you think are relatively easy
02:40
Comp Sci A's super easy if you already know CS, Calc is pretty easy if you're good at math, and the history trio (World, Euro, and US) are all basically writing tests, so if you take those, study the SAQ/LEQ/DBQ formatting and scoring for a solid while, and you should probably be good as long as you know a bit about the subject itself (I'm taking Ap US History right now and it's incredibly easy if you've already taken a middle school US history class and paid attention)
I found Human Geo pretty easy, a lot of it is just vocabulary
AP Lang (English III) is basically just an SAT reading test, so if you're good at that sort of thing it's a free 5
AP Seminar/Research is worth it if you have the time and motivation, but can be pretty stressful and super time intensive, so it's not one I'd recommend unless you know you want to take it for one reason or another
Art History's the only one I'd give a hard "no" for whether I'd recommend it
AP's way of teaching art history is wack af and if you have any interest in the subject I'd recommend not having it ruined by needing to rote memorize 250 artworks
The science ones can be pretty rough too from what I've heard (haven't taken any of the tests yet, but am taking AP Bio and a physics class this year)
AP Bio doesn't feel like it's going to be too hard, no clue for physics tho (algebra-based physics sucks from what I've heard, Physics C might be better but I know next to nothing about it...despite being signed up to take the test :p)
Don't know about stats/econ/gov't since I haven't taken those yet, and don't know anything at all about the foreign language ones
TF did google do...I just pushed ctrl+bksp while typing in a comment and it deleted the whole comment
I habitually press ctrl+backspace all the time
This only continues google's trend of having absolutely no clue how to implement ctrl+backspace in a way that doesn't drive people who use it literally insane and cause them to stab random passerby in the lungs
Like seriously, can they not leave my keyboard alone
03:09
Okay so TIL if you can hear your music when holding your headphones at arms' length it's loud enough to cause hearing loss and...if that's true that explains a lot
'cause at half my normal volume I can hear it audibly ._.
@RydwolfPrograms Every once in a while I do ^W to delete a word and it closes my tab.
Okay I hate modern mobile apps so much...I just searched "decibel meter" and every single one of the first 10 results have in app purchases
Which I'm guessing means they're filled to the brim with ads
Okay so it seems like I listen to most music at around 85 dB
Which according to a source I found should be fine for less than 8 hours at a time
That at-arms-length thing seems kinda dumb
I can literally hear the lowest volume setting
Not more than like a faint hum, but it's there
How do you know? Does it take into account speaker impedance?
How do I know what
Oh wait, is this a program that actually listens with a speaker?
03:20
Yeah
Found an app that's designed for measuring noise in workplaces, held it up to my headphone speaker
Ah. I have no idea how much microphone sensitivity varies.
lol this is a recommended article on some random website I went to:
I feel bad for whoever wrote this article and cannot laugh
Like are there really people who haven't laughed until they've cried, I feel bad for them
I've never laughed until I cried.
I didn't know it actually happened.
03:37
@RydwolfPrograms if you've already taken a middle school US history class: nope and paid attention: bruh who paid attention to history classes
@RydwolfPrograms agreed
04:07
@RydwolfPrograms ugh i hate bio and chem.... just my perspective cuz ive taken them before and i suck at science lmfao
got 3 on both
good enough for me
I've heard chem's awful
chem just sucks
I don't think my RAM's fully stable :/
Tried MemTest?
PUBG's crashed my whole computer multiple times. Like, fully locked up and have to hard shut down, and/or blue screen
Guess I'm gonna have to make a cowardly retreat back to 4800 MHz 40-40-40-whatever
Or maybe I'll just drop the frequency down to 6200 and see if it runs better
Preferably I'd like to keep the CL latency low since it would be kind of silly to have lower nanosecond latency than DDR4
Wow I'm quite the starboar
("starboar" is what you call someone who posts a starred messages; a starboar makes your sidebar starboar'd)
04:12
What was the blue screen error? The type of stop error would indicate if it's memory corruption.
04:40
@AidenChow im probably better on that
@AidenChow why
05:28
@RydwolfPrograms There's a ios / macos app called git. You can buy the ability to clone repos, create branches, etc
@emanresuA creating files cost one bitcoin per bit
Ross Program Application:
> Please spend extra effort to write up this problem’s solution as an exposition that can be read and understood by a beginning algebra student. That student knows function notation and standard properties of polynomials (as taught in a high school algebra course). Your solution will be graded not only on the correctness of the math but also on the clarity of exposition.

So, um, can I use Calculus? Please...
@NumberBasher ya think a beginner algebra student can understand calculus?
I hate being limited by proof methods
But yeah depends on what you count as that
@NumberBasher its just that chem has so many concepts that by the time u finish the entire thing, uve already forgotten most of the first half
at least thats what it felt like to me
by the time the test date was coming up, i was scrambling to relearn all the earlier content
05:45
@AidenChow I mean, I'm eight grade and I can understand it why can't THAT student understand it BRUH
yep, thats the issue, its very subjective. that application sucks lol
if it were up to me, i would just err on the safer side and submit the most simple proof, most likely without any calculus
true''
how about group theory
lol
06:01
@NumberBasher ya think a beginner algebra student can understand GROUP THEORY?
lol
well, at least he should understand what an abelian grape is
i know calc and i have no fricking idea what an abelian grape is....
when you are trying to fit a function: [https://www.desmos.com/calculator/7ultcboax2](https://www.desmos.com/calculator/7ultcboax2)

ok look, the statistics is showing R=0.9774, so it should be pretty good
*looks at graph*
what?
@AidenChow thats group theory
Some jokes use a mathematical term with a second non-technical meaning as the punchline of a joke.

Q. What's purple and commutes?
A. An abelian grape. (A pun on abelian group.)
> In mathematics, an abelian group, also called a commutative group, is a group in which the result of applying the group operation to two group elements does not depend on the order in which they are written. Wikipedia Dump.
In mathematics, an abelian group, also called a commutative group, is a group in which the result of applying the group operation to two group elements does not depend on the order in which they are written. That is, the group operation is commutative. With addition as an operation, the integers and the real numbers form abelian groups, and the concept of an abelian group may be viewed as a generalization of these examples. Abelian groups are named after early 19th century mathematician Niels Henrik Abel.The concept of an abelian group underlies many fundamental algebraic structures, such as fields...
They're called "in jokes" for a reason
 
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08:55
Another day defining constants:


# True, False, None, Null

true = True
false = False
none = null = None

# Modifiers

fn = function = fc = func = 'fn'
caps = capslock = caps_lock = 'caps_lock'

leftshift = lshift = left_shift = l_shift = 'left_shift'
leftoption = loption = left_option = l_option = 'left_option'
leftcommand = lcommand = left_command = l_command = 'left_command'
leftcontrol = lcontrol = left_control = l_control = 'left_control'

rightshift = rshift = right_shift = r_shift = 'right_shift'
 
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12:25
@lyxal mfw PackageKit provides a DBus method that returns a(sasasasasasussuss)
> UpdateDetails ('a(sasasasasasussuss)' details)
and such amazing giant blocks of text as:
asasausauasuasuasuasuausauasuasuasuasuasuas
exactly
 
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14:19
asasusasasususasususasusasasususasus
14:56
Went to a cubing competition the day before yesterday and my legs still hurt from the ~6 hour car ride.
I got to meet some of my favourite cubers tho.
@mathcat whoa nice
Cubing comps are really fun, unlike other sports, you don't have to wait hours for your turn.
And unless you're really super good, there's no real competitive factor, you get to know other people and set personal bests.
15:29
@RydwolfPrograms gamers talking about pc specs
 
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18:54
@Ginger a sussasaurus?
@NumberBasher o/
@RydwolfPrograms OTOH, if you can't hear your music when holding your headphones at arms' length, you may already have experienced hearing loss :P
19:10
@RydwolfPrograms Hey hey hey don't do that
It's "passersby"
Why are TI calculators so expensive?
I doubt there's been any substantial improvements to them in like the last 10 years, yet their price keeps increasing
I just got an advertise to buy one for $99.99 (it was one of the old-looking ones with the watch-style displays, not even one of the fancy new ones)
it's not just you :b
Huh, I guess prices have gone down a little since that comic
I bought mine for ~$80 4-5 years ago
20:10
@Ginger on the title text, ti basic was actually one of my first programming languages :P
RPL on my dad's old HP calculator was one of mine :)
I got an old TI-83+ from my grandfather, learned TI-BASIC on it
@RydwolfPrograms stats is easy, i can do the russian tests without reading a word of the course
@RydwolfPrograms ive got a 84
@Seggan Don't the foreign language ones involve literature, like AP Lang?
@Seggan Look how far TI has come
20:15
I had access to the ones with 16-color LCD screens in middle school
Never could figure out how to get full RGB
@user prob
but russian is my first language (as in first learned, not the one im most proficient in), so i could cruise through it prob
@user I know for spanish there's two tests, lang and lit, just like english
I don't actually think there is an AP Russian course, right?
What do you call the black-on-green screens that calculators and watches have?
I think they were proposing one last year
i didnt know a single word of english till i was 5, yet english is mostly my primary language. to those who understand it, i speak a mix of russian and english
20:17
@user Black and white LCD
@RydwolfPrograms In Russia, AP test take you
Oh those are LCDs too
My first calc was a TI too, they're pretty famous in germany.
(at least where I live)
Don't tell me there's a Germany, Texas :P
That's funny to me since TI stands for Texas Instruments
I'd always assumed they were a Texas thing as a kid :p
Germany is an unincorporated community in Houston County, Texas. It is located 10 miles northeast of Crockett on Texas State Highway 21. The first settler was Jacob Masters, who brought his family and slaves there. Later, he and his son attempted to get land through the Mexican colonization laws. They each received a league of land (approximately 3 miles). John Burt was the first person in Germany to obtain a deed of land for 160 acres. The original school, built in 1883, became a black school after a new building was erected for white students. By the 1950s, Germany School was closed and...
20:19
lol
We like stealing place names
@Seggan lmao
My grandparents live in Palestine, for example
Seems to be a thing across America
Ooh TIL we have a Los Angeles
20:21
erm where u live again?
Between Nuevo Laredo and San Antonio
That's a little too much
Copying another famous city from the same country
@RydwolfPrograms texas or mexico?
(sry if im asking too much, all i wanted was the state lol)
Oh no that's where Los Angeles is, not me
I'm just north of Austin
ah
i have an uncle near u (well actually apparently he lives 200 miles from you)
20:23
We have a Nixon, not too far from Kenedy either
> According to the Handbook of Texas, the community had an estimated population of 20 in 2000
This tiny thing gets the same size font as my city, with close to 100k people? Google maps, you've failed me
@Seggan Oh, that's cool!
Agree, set the font to comic sans.
@RydwolfPrograms Two of the three places I've lived (not counting when I was very young) have towns with the same name in Texas.
I mean TBF I guess we do have a lot of towns, bound to be dupes
I just noticed that mousetail 70 has more rep than I do.
*posts an answer quick*
20:35
There's a city in Nebraska called Norfolk, pronounced "Norfork." The town was originally named after the North Fork of the Elkhorn river. But (so the story goes) when they tried to register Norfork as their official name, the US Postal authorities back east thought they were trying to name it after Norfolk, Virginia and just couldn't spell. :P
I think I've read a few instances of that happening
One was in Alaska
My biology assignment for today is...
questionable
> A calico female is bred (many times) with a male cat. (followed by 270 data points)
That's a lotta cats
And a lot of breeding
Hopefully they're frictionless spherical cats
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Giving birth to a litter of frictionless cats would be interesting
Other than the questionable implications of taking it too literally, I think I might love this assignment. Cat coat color genetics is one of the absurdly specific areas that I know a lot about.
"cat coat color" is quite a tongue twister
20:47
Maybe "fur color" would've been better
@RydwolfPrograms ಠ_ಠ
that's, uh, disturbing
I had a biology assignment in HS where we partnered up, made Punnett squares for our hypothetical kids, and then flipped coins to create children
My partner and I had a kid with two Y chromosomes :(
hate it when that happens
also that doesn't feel like a very good assignment to do in a high school
@Ginger Our teacher was more than a little weird
20:53
Also are there even that many traits humans have that are linked to a single gene?
I don't remember if sex chromosomes were actually on the assignment or if we just decided to add that ourselves
We're not like, pea plants
@user I can tell lol
@RydwolfPrograms speak for yourself
@user I sense a flaw with this method, lol
idk, I think the assignment had eye color, ear lobes, and a few other things
20:53
> ear lobes
._.
@DLosc Yeah, if memory serves correctly, it was actually on the assignment, but memory often does not and it makes more sense if we just added that part to the assignment ourselves for fun
@Ginger It's a pretty common example
Since IIRC they're linked to a single gene
huh, I did not know that
TIL
Oh yeah, it also had blood type and height (which definitely aren't linked to a single gene, so I don't know why those were there)
At least blood types make sense
did you have to provide height as a function of age or
21:03
Has anyone here used nushell?
@Ginger No, it was just Short/Tall iirc
@user Blood type is
Well, A/B is
Really? Interesting
Rh isn't
@user It's codominant, O is recessive, A is one or two A alleles, B is one or two B alleles, and AB is one of each
Oh
It's super cool
It means it's possible for a couple to have four kids, one with each of the four blood types
21:06
What about those super rare blood types? Are there more alleles than A, B, and O?
Lemme just look it up actually
Those're separate
There's like thirty something other antibodies that can be present, but those aren't as important
@user I've been thinking about using it because it gives you useful error messages, but I don't make scripts and I don't really use the command line much beyond copying stuff from elsewhere or doing ls, cp, nano, that sort of thing, so I'm not sure if it's worth learning
Context?
package-proxy.replit.com is a site used internally by replit for stuff like monkey-patching Poetry
of course humans aren't supposed to actually visit it
21:13
lol
I kinda want to make my own shell language that transpiles to sh
With sane syntax
no! down that road lies madness
Yeah
I just want to be able to write scripts without spending an hour debugging the most minor things because Zsh happens to treat some syntax slightly differently from sh or Bash, resulting in wildly different results
I could use Python, but it's overkill for simple stuff, and often more verbose
@user Seems a bit like a case of XKCD 927
Yeah :|
Although I'm not making a whole new shell, just a language that transpiles to an existing one that only I would use
So not as bad
I think you should check that something like that doesn't exist already :p
21:25
I found one project like that, but it was abandoned sometime around 2016 and made some...interesting design choices
Let me dig it up
Aww, this project exists but was abandoned last year
Probably still works, given that Batch and Bash syntax won't be updated anytime soon
tbh Linux shells aren't that bad compared to Batch, which I would literally prefer eating chalk to
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@user Does zsh have a bash compatibility mode?
21:53
@user Yeah, Batch is... odd, to say the least.
Huh, is chat back?
I guesss so
yeah, that was weird to say the least
area51 gained sentience and tried to take over chat
22:06
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Q: chat.stackexchange.com redirects to area51.stackexchange.com

GingerAny https://chat.stackexchange.com url redirects to https://area51.stackexchange.com. This started a few minutes ago (as of this posting.) This occurs for all three chat servers (chat.stackoverflow, chat.stackexchange, and chat.meta.stackexchange)

hi mom!
@forest Doesn't seem like it, but it does have emulate sh
@DLosc I am mildly worried about you, given that you've used "sus" >2 times recently :P
Make sure you don't catch ligma
I suppose I could just use a shebang to run it with bash
Ah. I thought it entered that mode if it was called with the name bash.
Guess I was wrong. Too bad, because zsh is actually lighter and faster.
yeah that'd be suboptimal
@user At least I won't catch updog
22:18
@DLosc what's Joe?
@forest I'm not sure what you mean, like zsh --bash or something?
Joe King lmao gottem
Or making /bin/bash point to /bin/zsh and then running bash?
(thanks to Wiktionary for the assist :P)
@Ginger that's who
but not what
22:20
> See also

bofa
deez nuts
sugma
Sugondese
lmfao
the editor that wrote this is truly an unsung hero
@DLosc imagine using Wiktionary instead of the Urban Dictionary :p
Yeah, but I could be wrong.
Wiktionary is a lot more reliable
Wired: Wiktionary
Tired: Urban Dictionary
Expired: Oxford English Dictionary
@lyxal I would've checked there if Wiktionary didn't have it, but Wiktionary's definitions tend to be more... work-appropriate.
22:21
@user for meme terms, urbdic is way more useful
I mean, in this case, you have the phrase "lick my balls" on the page
although I could just be biased because apparently I'm in the urbdic myself
@lyxal True
@lyxal Was that me? I feel like I did that at some point
Yeah, Googling doesn't give any useful hits
Would've been nice :|
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A: How can I echo a newline in a batch file?

KenHere you go, create a .bat file with the following in it : @echo off REM Creating a Newline variable (the two blank lines are required!) set NLM=^ set NL=^^^%NLM%%NLM%^%NLM%%NLM% REM Example Usage: echo There should be a newline%NL%inserted here. echo. pause You should see output like the f...

22:28
My god...
CMMR (Chat Mini Meme Request): Could someone make one of those "They have played us for absolute fools" memes based on this?
A newline character should not be that much trouble
Aren't Windows users supposed to use PowerShell now anyway?
Okay, this is a little simpler
@forest Yeah, it's way nicer
22:30
I'm not familiar with it. I just know it's more powerful.
It's also got more sensible syntax, descriptive (but verbose) command names, and some general quality-of-life improvements
lol a car drove by right as I turned on my PC and I was like "wow these fans have some bass"
And it deals with objects instead of just strings, which is cool, probably great for scripting
Does PowerShell have anything like PIPESTATUS?
22:33
Hmm, maybe not the same thing
That's not the same thing.
That's more similar to uh, what's it called... That set -e pipefail or whatever.
                  pipefail
                          If set, the return value of a  pipeline  is  the
                          value  of  the  last (rightmost) command to exit
                          with a non-zero status, or zero if all  commands
                          in  the pipeline exit successfully.  This option
                          is disabled by default.
Yeah that's what it's more similar to. PIPESTATUS is an array that contains the exit codes of all commands in a pipe, so the pipe true | false | true would have ${PIPESTATUS[0]} set to 0, ${PIPESTATUS[1]} set to 1, and ${PIPESTATUS[2]} set to 0.
I can't find anything on it, I guess it doesn't exist in Powershell :(
I honestly don't get why it's called the C shell, it doesn't seem at all C-like to me
it's C-like in that it's awful
22:38
It's C-like in the same way Awk is C-like.
@Ginger Flagged as rude and offensive. :^)
cries in segmentation fault
I find C to be extremely simple to write compared to other compiled languages
It is a very simple language. The only thing that trips people up is structs, casting, and pointers.
Other languages' compilers yell at me when I cast stuff, or they throw errors at runtime
You can get C to throw errors at runtime if you enable UBSAN.
I always do that for production code, at least when performance isn't extremely important.
Not with C, it just keeps chugging until you segfault, and then it doesn't trouble you with long error messages and backtraces, it just gives you a short message telling you what went wrong without troubling you with the specifics
@forest Oh that's nice
I've only used C for one class, where we weren't allowed to change the gcc flags at all (we used C89 :()
22:41
@user Yeah. It detects all sorts of undefined behavior and traps it to ud2. The program still crashes with an illegal instruction (ud2 is an x86 instruction that is guaranteed to be illegal), but it can print some information and it prevents undefined behavior from causing weird problems down the line.
Can you get backtraces?
You probably can, but I don't use it for that.
Right, production
The kernel can be made to do a stack trace and output some other information though, since the kernel handles SIGILL, but the same can be said for SIGSEGV (it's just UBSAN allows the program to crash right when the problem occurs, rather than sometime later when the undefined behavior causes a GPF or something).
I should learn Rust.
I just... really really hate their supply chain issues and the whole mentality surrounding cargo.
Rust syntax is... arcane
22:52
Yeah it's a bit confusing, but I'm sure I could get used to it. I just don't like how it takes Python's "oh there's a library for that" approach to literally everything. I think that's quite dangerous.
@forest Mentality?
And annoying too given that it also has to be static...
@user The "create a library for every trivial task" mentality.
I haven't found too many Rust libraries I'd call trivial
Now, JavaScript...
Chat back up? Went down for me.
was it redirecting to area51?
23:01
Well it was doing that before, but this time it just redirected to a "we're under maintenance" page.
@forest Pretty sure it has dynamic linking
Unless you're talking about some other static thing
@forest ehhhh
i have seen some trivial libraries, but i wouldnt call it a "mentality"
@user It can do dynamic linking, but it's typically statically linked.
That's why Rust binaries are so big.
Oh, I thought it was the monophoroizamation
morphozination
The thing with generics
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