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Cerberus

13:31

Morning.

Otavio Macedo

Morning, @Cerberus!

Cerberus

Bom dia.

I see the questions about embedding continue.

Perhaps the computer-oriented are more inclined towards these semi-Chomskyan quests for regularity.

Otavio Macedo

13:58

Yeah, when you're trying to devise an algorithm, irregularity gets in the way

Cerberus

Hehe. Not to mention context!

Otavio Macedo

14:26

@hippietrail are you still writing apps with the SE API?

hippietrail

@OtavioMacedo a little bit (-:

did you have something in mind @OtavioMacedo ?

Otavio Macedo

No, but I've used the API to build a little user script for our challenge week

hippietrail

14:50

cool

i've been blocked by an algorithm design problem. the most efficient way to use the api to get all items so a few ideas are waiting for that

Otavio Macedo

Which items?

hippietrail

15:31

any it doesn't matter they all use the same mechanism

but for my biggest tool for travel.SE it's the tags and tag-synonyms

i need to fetch all because i'm only interested in 3-letter ones and the api doesn't provide such a filter

Alenanno

16:53

@musicallinguist I'm here. :)

kaleissin

17:28

hmh

Alenanno

Hey @kaleissin

kaleissin

d'ya have a chat planned with @musicallinguist?

Alenanno

Not planned. I asked him to come here for further discussion but either he decided to avoid it, or didn't see my ping... :P

Otavio Macedo

@Alenanno about the unique constructions question?

Alenanno

@OtavioMacedo And list questions in general.

Otavio Macedo

17:42

Well, strictly speaking, that is not a list question

It's a yes/no question

But I see what you mean

Alenanno

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A: Is asking for a list of languages possessing a certain feature OK because it's important for typological research?

I may be undermining the original vision that the original founders had for this site, but as a linguist, I would heartily welcome questions that ask for languages or lists of languages with a certain feature. So much of theoretical linguistic research involves formulating hypotheses or building ...

kaleissin

hm, @Alenanno, how do you do that?

Alenanno

How do I do what? :D The "boxed question"?

kaleissin

yeah

magic prefix + number?

Alenanno

Just paste the link of a question/answer. It will be automatic.

:)

kaleissin

17:46

I would very much like more answers to the following question: linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/1657/…

as I spent much of my linguistics-time of 2011 reading about subordination

Alenanno

Ah another thing. The box thing doesn't work if you don't paste the link only. :)

kaleissin

better living through experimentation

Alenanno

Well, why don't you share the question?

I'm sure you must have colleagues, know professors, etc...

Share the site!

:P

Cerberus

Hi!

Alenanno

Hey @Cerberus

kaleissin

17:51

the linguistics institute at my uni. is being killed off. not enough students. so not alot of local people to ask anymore

Cerberus

@kaleissin Hmm but why? I think yours is the definitive answer.

Alenanno

This is the type of suggested edits I'm talking about!

Look at that...

@kaleissin No worries, share with anyone! :D

Cerberus

I.e. specific words, word order, and context supply the information otherwise partly conveyed through subordination.

That's why some people's fascination with subordination and "embedding" surprises me.

@kaleissin Oh no, that sucks!!

Which uni?

kaleissin

@Cerberus because even though I've looked at maybe 150 languages I still don't have a feel of how to do subordinationy things in langs with switch reference, suffixaufnahme, co-relativization, very polysynthetic ones etc.

Cerberus

And how many students sign up each year?

@kaleissin Hmm I don't know what any of those things are. But context should usually do the trick?

kaleissin

17:56

@Cerberus NTNU, Norway. the biggest class I attended had maybe 12 students.

it did phonetics, phonology, semantics, pragmatics, syntax and applied ling. and had support classes for other language-y institutes like English, Lit. etc

ipa, intro to linguistics etc.

phonetics and swahili will be continued since NTNU is the only place in the country where you can study that

it was a cool place to study as there was always students from africa and asia there working on describing their mother tongues, so lots of neat, raw data on weird stuph in language

Cerberus

@kaleissin Wow, and they are closing all that? That is sad.

kaleissin

f'rinstance that Southern Indian language which had serial verb expressions that branched to the left instead of right

Cerberus

So how many people signed up for your programme each year? I can imagine that will be different from the number of people in an actual class.

kaleissin

or that's how it was analyzed anyway

Cerberus

Funny.

They are closing some language studies here too.

All because the government is providing the wrong stimuli and is cutting the budget at the same time.

kaleissin

18:03

i don't know. when I started it was before the Bologna-process so how to count was different

Alenanno

They always cut the budget to the wrong things...

Cerberus

Hmm.

I started with 10 people or so with whom I did all the same classes in the first year (classics).

But I hear numbers have doubled.

kaleissin

when I did cs 101 it had been doubling for years, I think we almost managed to cram 400 ppl into the biggest auditorium...

Cerberus

@Alenanno Yeah, it is very annoying. It is the spirit of extreme neoliberalism: the "market" is supposed to do things that it cannot.

kaleissin

<-- did a combo of cs, maths, and ling

Cerberus

18:05

What is cs?

Computer Science?

Alenanno

Computer Science?

kaleissin

and one semester latin for the fun of it

yeah

Cerberus

Yay Latin!

Alenanno

Nooo Latin! Not Latin! :P ahah

Cerberus

Did you do Latin in high school?

kaleissin

18:06

nope

Cerberus

@Alenanno It is your own language, silly.

kaleissin

did english, french and german in high school

Alenanno

@Cerberus Actually it's not. But I was joking! :P

Cerberus

@kaleissin Do some school types have Latin and Greek in Norway?

@Alenanno It sort of is! You speak a dialect of Latin.

Alenanno

@Cerberus It's my proto-language then, yes. :P

Cerberus

18:07

Yay!

Just like Dutch is a sort of German.

kaleissin

I think there is a high school in this town that have latin, Katedralskolen. It's christian, and high status among the locals

Cerberus

Hmm among the locals?

But not in general?

kaleissin

i don't think any high school is generally well known in this country :)

Cerberus

But the type?

kaleissin

we tipped 5 million inhabitants yesterday btw

Cerberus

18:09

Only 5 million?

Wow, I thought you were bigger.

kaleissin

woulda been around 8 if ppl haden't left to farm Minnesota in the eighteen hundreds

Alenanno

we tipped = ?

kaleissin

as in "went over"

Alenanno

Oh ok. :)

Does anyone of you knows how can I backup my phone sms's?

kaleissin

depends on your phone

i can't backup mine :(

Alenanno

18:12

I can't seem to find anything... Most software is not free and so...

Meh.

kaleissin

for linux there's for instance gammu

doesn't work with the phone i have now. commercial stuff doen't work either

Cerberus

@Alenanno Which OS?

There probably is a way to do it if you're using a major OS.

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per hour worked

The GDP (PPP) per hour worked is a measure of the productivity of a country when not taking into account unemployment or hours worked per week. GDP (PPP) stands for gross domestic product normalised to purchasing power parities. The data of the following list comes from The Conference Board. GDP is measured in purchasing power parity, normalised to 2009 US dollar (comparable to a 2009 international dollar). It is calculated from unpublished () 2005 EKS PPP estimates from Penn World Tables (PWT 7), updated with GDP deflator changes. Work is measured as hours actually worked during the yea...

Looks like you're no. 1 @Norway!

Alenanno

@Cerberus You know already! I have Lion. :) I could use iSync, but it's not there. Nokia Multimedia Transfer doesn't support it, apparently... :/ I don't know.

Cerberus

@Alenanno Lion? I don't believe that is a mobile OS? You need your mobile OS, I think it is called IOS.

Alenanno

Oh you mean the mobile... I don't have iOS. I have a Nokia 5800 as phone. :P

Cerberus

18:18

Ah OK. What OS does it use?

Just Google for "backup sms free OSblabla".

Maybe it's Maemo, or Symbian.

Alenanno

Symbian. :P

Cerberus

@Alenanno symbianism.blogspot.com/2011/01/…

Try installing ActiveFile on your phone, see if it works.

Alenanno

I'll investigate. Thanks! :)

I'll be off now. See y'all later!

:)

Cerberus

Bye!

kaleissin

18:34

meh, ingentaconnect doesn't have useful data for zotero

hippietrail

19:12

how go the things linguistic?

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